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Nickbat

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UK response to nationals in Libya
« on: 23 February 2011, 22:17:37 »
This dragged me temporarily out of retirement. I had to have a rant.  ;)

The way the government has reacted to the evacuation of UK nationals in Libya is shameful. Their chartered Astraeus plane has only just left LGW. The process of evacuating other countries' nationals has been underway for some time. Why weren't the RAF VC10s or Tristars sent in earlier? Oh, yes they've probably been scrapped while we weren't looking. Seeing Hague on TV saying that we've done more than many other countries really gets my goat.
 >:( >:( >:(

I have to agree with Ms Raccoon's take on this.

http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/britain%E2%80%99s-shame/
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Re: UK response to nationals in Libya
« Reply #1 on: 23 February 2011, 22:19:55 »
The Foreign Office announced that the plane was in the air last night. It still sat on the tarmac at Gatwick earlier this evening. ::)
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« Reply #2 on: 23 February 2011, 22:30:49 »
Maybe Bruce Dickinson (the lead singer ) is flying it then ?
He is a qualified commercial pilot, and flies passenger jets between tours.

Anorak off. ::) ;D
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Re: UK response to nationals in Libya
« Reply #3 on: 23 February 2011, 22:33:28 »
Welcome back Nickbat :y :y
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Nickbat

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Re: UK response to nationals in Libya
« Reply #4 on: 23 February 2011, 22:34:46 »
Sorry Albs, I accidentally deleted the post so no one will know what you are talking about.  ;) ;D

My post was along the lines of: the aircraft on the way to Libya now is the same one as used for the Iron Maiden Tour of 2008.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Astraeus/Boeing-757-23A/1769416/&sid=4d0e5fb44106c10b81d2924bb7b9bc77
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Re: UK response to nationals in Libya
« Reply #5 on: 23 February 2011, 22:38:12 »
Hell and handcart remain the main qualifiers when considering the ability of Westminster and other national bodies to act sensibly and decisively for the public good.

What a oppsing shambles. [smiley=thumbdown.gif] [smiley=thumbdown.gif]
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Re: UK response to nationals in Libya
« Reply #6 on: 23 February 2011, 22:38:28 »
i'd love to know which airline refused to send a plane  >:(
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« Reply #7 on: 23 February 2011, 22:51:29 »
Yes I can just imagine our stiff upper lip civil servants. Need a plane? haven't got any in the RAF and in any case we just sacked the pilots. Got plenty of back office boys with desks if that would help.

what about a charter plane? can't get insurance, need to file a flight plan a week in advance. Ryanair would charter us one it but it wouldn't be on the ground long enough in Tripoli to pick anyone up unless they had paid in advance for priority boarding and got a printed boarding card...............

God help us if there was a war situation, we would have to ask the French for planes.

PS we will wake up tomorrow to find that they have redeemed themselves and saved all the foreign nationals stuck out in the desert and shown what Britain is made of.
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Re: UK response to nationals in Libya
« Reply #8 on: 23 February 2011, 22:57:35 »
Even on Conservative Home, the Tory site, the government response (especially Hague's) is being panned. And rightly so.

http://playpolitical.typepad.com/uk_conservative/2011/02/video-william-hague-makes-statement-on-rescuing-stranded-britons-from-libya.html
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Re: UK response to nationals in Libya
« Reply #9 on: 23 February 2011, 22:59:53 »
Ok chaps, I know everyone is not going to agree with me here but......

It was their choice to live and work over there, make no mistake anyone worth their salt knows of Libya's history.

So when things did go tits up and they finally did get out of the country why all the media attention like they were returning heros?

It annoys me because they are well off with great jobs, not over there on a peace keeping or an aid mission.
My thoughts on this matter is the same as Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.
If you are stupid enough to work over in these places as a civilian then expect the worse!

Sorry, Rant over!
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Re: UK response to nationals in Libya
« Reply #10 on: 23 February 2011, 23:08:39 »
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Ok chaps, I know everyone is not going to agree with me here but......

It was their choice to live and work over there, make no mistake anyone worth their salt knows of Libya's history.

So when things did go tits up and they finally did get out of the country why all the media attention like they were returning heros?

It annoys me because they are well off with great jobs, not over there on a peace keeping or an aid mission.
My thoughts on this matter is the same as Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.
If you are stupid enough to work over in these places as a civilian then expect the worse!

Sorry, Rant over!

Yes there is a degree of merit in what you say BSW but what this does show (quite painfully) is the parlous state of our ability to act strategically in the interests of our citizens abroad.
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Re: UK response to nationals in Libya
« Reply #11 on: 23 February 2011, 23:13:41 »
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Ok chaps, I know everyone is not going to agree with me here but......

It was their choice to live and work over there, make no mistake anyone worth their salt knows of Libya's history.

So when things did go tits up and they finally did get out of the country why all the media attention like they were returning heros?

It annoys me because they are well off with great jobs, not over there on a peace keeping or an aid mission.
My thoughts on this matter is the same as Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.
If you are stupid enough to work over in these places as a civilian then expect the worse!

Sorry, Rant over!

Sorry, but totally disagree.

Call me old-fashioned if you like, but I believe that UK citizenship entitles you to protection by your home country wherever you are and for whatever reason.

As every other country treats its citizens.  :y

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Re: UK response to nationals in Libya
« Reply #12 on: 23 February 2011, 23:16:08 »
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Ok chaps, I know everyone is not going to agree with me here but......

It was their choice to live and work over there, make no mistake anyone worth their salt knows of Libya's history.

So when things did go tits up and they finally did get out of the country why all the media attention like they were returning heros?

It annoys me because they are well off with great jobs, not over there on a peace keeping or an aid mission.
My thoughts on this matter is the same as Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.
If you are stupid enough to work over in these places as a civilian then expect the worse!

Sorry, Rant over!

Sorry, but totally disagree.

Call me old-fashioned if you like, but I believe that UK citizenship entitles you to protection by your home country wherever you are and for whatever reason.

As every other country treats its citizens.  :y


Very broad statement there
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Nickbat

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« Reply #13 on: 23 February 2011, 23:17:05 »
Mind you, with this news, you may as well give up if you're a UK citizen abroad.  ::) ::)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12554818
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« Reply #14 on: 23 February 2011, 23:17:37 »
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Ok chaps, I know everyone is not going to agree with me here but......

It was their choice to live and work over there, make no mistake anyone worth their salt knows of Libya's history.

So when things did go tits up and they finally did get out of the country why all the media attention like they were returning heros?

It annoys me because they are well off with great jobs, not over there on a peace keeping or an aid mission.
My thoughts on this matter is the same as Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan.
If you are stupid enough to work over in these places as a civilian then expect the worse!

Sorry, Rant over!

Sorry, but totally disagree.

Call me old-fashioned if you like, but I believe that UK citizenship entitles you to protection by your home country wherever you are and for whatever reason.

As every other country treats its citizens.  :y


Very broad statement there

Maybe broad, but largely true. Name me one country that would not provide assistance to a national in trouble.
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