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[Nickbat]

£250 billion pounds....for what?

Yet, they a happily scrap Coastguard services, RAF equipment and personnel, plus countless other things.

Someone's making an awful lot of money from this (mainly non-UK companies). And each of us is paying. A truly remarkable scam.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361316/250bn-wind-power-industry-greatest-scam-age.html


 

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

I thought you'd decided not to post on climate change matters again Nick?.....

Interesting article nonetheless.....

[bluey]

I must admit the background story behind wind turbines seems to get more and more disturbing.  I used to think they were quite graceful things but the sheer amount of them, their cost and the impact they have en mass in some of this country's most beautiful settings, does make me wonder why we are so hell bent on having them.

[Nickbat]

I thought you'd decided not to post on climate change matters again Nick?.....

Interesting article nonetheless.....

Couldn't resist it.

Plus, I was egged on by another member. 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Lol, these renewables efforts always make me laugh!

[TheBoy]

Could they strap a fan to Jimbob's backside. Thats a project that would work due to a constant breeze....

[Varche]

Well that is an eye opener. The sums involved are collossol.

I make no pretence of always having being keen on renewable power (energy for virtually free has a nice ring to it) however those figures look to be the economics of the madhouse. Despite all , I still think Britain can only secure its power future by building nuclear power stations with all their horrible not yet solved waste processing issues. The power stations need to be built with government money and kept in public ownership only. That will be a huge challenge.

Thanks for posting that link Nick.

[Dishevelled Den]

£250 billion pounds....for what?

Yet, they a happily scrap Coastguard services, RAF equipment and personnel, plus countless other things.

Someone's making an awful lot of money from this (mainly non-UK companies). And each of us is paying. A truly remarkable scam.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361316/250bn-wind-power-industry-greatest-scam-age.html


 

Yes, while it's sensible to investigate better, more sustainable, less polluting ways to generate energy, wind power on the scale envisaged is ballicks.

As far as I see it this is akin to pissing into the wind - the result will be just as undesirably obvious with - in this case -  each and every one of us (who actually pays tax and settle their energy accounts from earned funds/pensions) being obliged to pay dearly for this misguided attempt to remain within strict carbon emissions limits imposed by the EU.

[Kevin Wood]

Could they strap a fan to Jimbob's backside. Thats a project that would work due to a constant breeze....

Couldn't they do some sort of combined cycle system where the heat is recovered first, then the turbine extracts energy from the blast before the gas is burnt in a furnace?

Kevin

[Marks DTM Calib]

Well that is an eye opener. The sums involved are collossol.

I make no pretence of always having being keen on renewable power (energy for virtually free has a nice ring to it) however those figures look to be the economics of the madhouse. Despite all , I still think Britain can only secure its power future by building nuclear power stations with all their horrible not yet solved waste processing issues. The power stations need to be built with government money and kept in public ownership only. That will be a huge challenge.

Thanks for posting that link Nick.

Absolutely, we need enough 24/7 generating capability to cover the base load plus margin to cover a percentage of the peeks.

For renewables to be even close to worth while we would have to invest heavily in energy storage solutions such as battery (dont even go there!) and pumped storage......and thats something nobody ever considers.

[albitz]

I have read material which suggests the situation could be even worse than Booker suggests.
When there is no wind to power the turbines they cant be left stood still for long periods.The weight of the blades hanging on the shaft can bend the shaft, therefore they must be kept turning. This is acheived by powering the motors from the National grid. It is thought that the lubrication systems for the huge bearings are also electrically powered - from where ?
It is actually possible that many of these contraptions take more juice out of the grid than they put into it. It seems impossible to find out as the companies who make them refuse to release any information or data to dispel or confirm the rumours. As they are foreign companies, presumably the info cannot be forced out of them under the FOI act ?
It isnt possible to have a sane energy policy, as the energy secretary (Huhne) is a card carrying mentalist.Where is it all going to end. ? :-/

[Varche]

£250 billion pounds....for what?

Yet, they a happily scrap Coastguard services, RAF equipment and personnel, plus countless other things.

Someone's making an awful lot of money from this (mainly non-UK companies). And each of us is paying. A truly remarkable scam.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361316/250bn-wind-power-industry-greatest-scam-age.html


 

Yes, while it's sensible to investigate better, more sustainable, less polluting ways to generate energy, wind power on the scale envisaged is ballicks.

As far as I see it this is akin to pissing into the wind - the result will be just as undesirably obvious with each and every one of us (who actually pay tax and settle their energy accounts from earned funds) being obliged to pay dearly for this misguided attempt to remain within strict carbon emissions limits imposed by the EU.

Z you make it sound like one day the EU leader stood on top of the Brussels building and out of the blue told all the Eu countries you will do renewables!

What actually happened was all the Eu countries took part in discussions about what should happen. Then the proposals were tabled for countries to consider then as it was agreed it became policy. Our government of the day rubber stamped it. (rightly or wrongly)

[Nickbat]

£250 billion pounds....for what?

Yet, they a happily scrap Coastguard services, RAF equipment and personnel, plus countless other things.

Someone's making an awful lot of money from this (mainly non-UK companies). And each of us is paying. A truly remarkable scam.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361316/250bn-wind-power-industry-greatest-scam-age.html


 

Yes, while it's sensible to investigate better, more sustainable, less polluting ways to generate energy, wind power on the scale envisaged is ballicks.

As far as I see it this is akin to pissing into the wind - the result will be just as undesirably obvious with each and every one of us (who actually pay tax and settle their energy accounts from earned funds) being obliged to pay dearly for this misguided attempt to remain within strict carbon emissions limits imposed by the EU.

Z you make it sound like one day the EU leader stood on top of the Brussels building and out of the blue told all the Eu countries you will do renewables!

What actually happened was all the Eu countries took part in discussions about what should happen. Then the proposals were tabled for countries to consider then as it was agreed it became policy. Our government of the day rubber stamped it. (rightly or wrongly)

Yes, but many countries (e.g. Holland, Germany, Denmark) have abandoned the idea of subsidising these monsters, and without subsidies they would not be built. It's only our bunch that still thinks its a good idea. 

[Marks DTM Calib]

I have read material which suggests the situation could be even worse than Hitchens suggests - that doesnt happen very often.
When there is no wind to power the turbines they cant be left stood still for long periods.The weight of the blades hanging on the shaft can bend the shaft, therefore they must be kept turning. This is acheived by powering the motors from the National grid. It is thought that the lubrication systems for the huge bearings are also electrically powered - from where ?
It is actually possible that many of these contraptions take more juice out of the grid than they put into it. It seems impossible to find out as the companies who make them refuse to release any information or data to dispel or confirm the rumours. As they are foreign companies, presumably the info cannot be forced out of them under the FOI act ?
It isnt possible to have a sane energy policy, as the energy secretary (Huhne) is a card carrying mentalist.Where is it all going to end. ? :-/

I have just consulted our internal expert and that is a load of old cobblers.

They can sit dormant for extended periods and require no (or very little in order to support the control systems) power....and as they are not turning, no oil is required to be pumped.

The only issue they have with being stationary is that it requires a wind level which is higher than the minimum in order to get them moving again and overcome the inertia issues.

[Nickbat]

Could they strap a fan to Jimbob's backside. Thats a project that would work due to a constant breeze....

Couldn't they do some sort of combined cycle system where the heat is recovered first, then the turbine extracts energy from the blast before the gas is burnt in a furnace?

Kevin

There is a similar system already in place, Kevin. It's known as the Recoverable Intake of Noxious Gases Preceding Ignition of Excess Colossal Exhaust.