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[Webby the Bear]

agreed albs 

i thought that top gear episode where hamilton goes in sennas car was pretty special.

[albitz]

Senna was a god Webby. There will never be another like him.

[Webby the Bear]

yep. TBH i was only 12 when he died and didnt watch motorsport. but everyone was on about it even at my school.

seen some of his driving and it was amazing. 

[Banjax]

Senna was a god Webby. There will never be another like him.

agreed - apparently that film about him is amazing - think its due out later this year 

[TheBoy]

Senna was the God of his era. You could argue that Schumacher was the God of his, love him or loth him. And the early Gods, Fangio and co, were Gods of their era.

I think the Schumacher return shows that these greats couldn't survive in a different era.

[Banjax]

Senna was the God of his era. You could argue that Schumacher was the God of his, love him or loth him. And the early Gods, Fangio and co, were Gods of their era.

I think the Schumacher return shows that these greats couldn't survive in a different era.

i think Clark and Senna would be quick in any era - but we'll never know 

[Banjax]

Sauber were disqualified for "wing infringements" i see 

for breaching article 3.10.1 and 3.10.2 m'lud 

*Article 3.10.1

[size=9]"Any bodywork more than 150mm behind the rear wheel centre line which is between 150mm and 730mm above the reference plane, and between 75mm and 355mm from the car centre line, must lie in an area when viewed from the side of the car that is situated between 150mm and 350mm behind the rear wheel centre line and between 300mm and 400mm above the reference plane. When viewed from the side of the car no longitudinal cross section may have more than one section in this area.

"Furthermore, no part of this section in contact with the external air stream may have a local concave radius of curvature smaller than 100mm.

"Once this section is defined, 'gurney' type trim tabs may be fitted to the trailing edge. When measured in any longitudinal cross section no dimension of any such trim tab may exceed 20mm."

** Article 3.10.2
"Other than the bodywork defined in Article 3.10.9, any bodywork behind a point lying 50mm forward of the rear wheel centre line which is more than 730mm above the reference plane, and less than 355mm from the car centre line, must lie in an area when viewed from the side of the car that is situated between the rear wheel centre line and a point 350mm behind it."[/size]

now THAT is dull 

but well done di Resta - looks like you get a point on your debut 

[albitz]

Senna was the God of his era. You could argue that Schumacher was the God of his, love him or loth him. And the early Gods, Fangio and co, were Gods of their era.

I think the Schumacher return shows that these greats couldn't survive in a different era.

Senna would have eaten scumacher for breakfast in any situation. Apart from all his other attributes he had more intelligence in his little finger than Scummy has in his head.
He was also naturally gifted to an unbelievable degree, which Scummy isnt - which is why he has to cheat and bully at every single opportunity, to get his results.
I think his comeback has demonstrated that now that he has lost the influence to tip the scales in his favour - team orders, rules dont apply to him or his car etc. - we are seeing his level of real talent, which is somewhat mediocre.I think the difference this time around may well be that now that Ross Brawn is the team principal, he wont run a bent car, whereas Ferrari always ran a bent car in the Scumacher era, and the FIA turned a blind eye to it.
Did I mention before that I detest the bloke ? 

[Banjax]

Senna was the God of his era. You could argue that Schumacher was the God of his, love him or loth him. And the early Gods, Fangio and co, were Gods of their era.

I think the Schumacher return shows that these greats couldn't survive in a different era.

Senna would have eaten scumacher for breakfast in any situation. Apart from all his other attributes he had more intelligence in his little finger than Scummy has in his head.
He was also naturally gifted to an unbelievable degree, which Scummy isnt - which is why he has to cheat and bully at every single opportunity, to get his results.
I think his comeback has demonstrated that now that he has lost the influence to tip the scales in his favour - team orders, rules dont apply to him or his car etc. - we are seeing his level of real talent, which is somewhat mediocre.
Did I mention before that I detest the bloke ? 

Senna was jedi-like in talent but he could be a ruthless b too Albs 

[albitz]

Senna was the God of his era. You could argue that Schumacher was the God of his, love him or loth him. And the early Gods, Fangio and co, were Gods of their era.

I think the Schumacher return shows that these greats couldn't survive in a different era.

i think Clark and Senna would be quick in any era - but we'll never know 

Yep, quick is quick. Talent is talent. End of.

[TheBoy]

Senna was the God of his era. You could argue that Schumacher was the God of his, love him or loth him. And the early Gods, Fangio and co, were Gods of their era.

I think the Schumacher return shows that these greats couldn't survive in a different era.

Senna would have eaten scumacher for breakfast in any situation. Apart from all his other attributes he had more intelligence in his little finger than Scummy has in his head.
He was also naturally gifted to an unbelievable degree, which Scummy isnt - which is why he has to cheat and bully at every single opportunity, to get his results.
I think his comeback has demonstrated that now that he has lost the influence to tip the scales in his favour - team orders, rules dont apply to him or his car etc. - we are seeing his level of real talent, which is somewhat mediocre.I think the difference this time around may well be that now that Ross Brawn is the team principal, he wont run a bent car, whereas Ferrari always ran a bent car in the Scumacher era, and the FIA turned a blind eye to it.
Did I mention before that I detest the bloke ? 

We will never know. Both, I feel, had a real feel for the cars and the grip available, and both had a real determination to win. At any cost. I'm sure Prost and Piquet would be equally as harsh at Senna as Hill was to Schumacher.

I was one of the Schumacher loathers in the Hill/Villeneuve era, but since missed his real, true desire to win, which is something missing from every single current F1 driver, including Webber (who used to have it), and Hamilton who showed initial promise.

Schumacher was the best of his era imho, though not any other greats during that time, unlike Senna, who had Prost, Piquet, and the real mans man, Mansell (love or loath him)

[bob.dent]

Idont see the point of KERS if everyone has it, as Webber said earlier they all push the button at the same time, negating its effect.

What will be interesting is the new tyres designed to degrade quicker and the wing flap when you're within 1 sec - how fair or workable that will be remains to be seen - may need a bit of tweaking, and i'm glad they've ditched the ludicrousness of policing team orders - complete nonsense - you cant possibly enforce any "law" unless the team own up or give the game away.

looking forward to seeing how Di Resta gets on too - phenomenal driver who deserves a shot at f1 

Have to agree, he's got a real talent and should do well in F1. I followed him in the DTM series last year and went to see it at Brands Hatch and he was awesome.

[bob.dent]

Well, before I could say it was boring, I thought I should watch it, esp with the new rules.  I even recorded it.

What a waste of 2 hours. Boring as hell. As with the last 15 or so year, no overtaking (and by definition, no racing). They said at the beginning that there is only 6% of overtaking compared to 20yrs ago.  That is a castasphoric step backwards.  When you have to have mandatory pitstops just for 'overtaking', they have got it all wrong.

Yes, speed is good to watch, but F1 may as well be time trials, as sure as shit is brown and smelly, F1 isn't racing.

Jaime, please stop watching F1.....you know you hate it and we get the same old comments every year!

[TheBoy]

Well, before I could say it was boring, I thought I should watch it, esp with the new rules.  I even recorded it.

What a waste of 2 hours. Boring as hell. As with the last 15 or so year, no overtaking (and by definition, no racing). They said at the beginning that there is only 6% of overtaking compared to 20yrs ago.  That is a castasphoric step backwards.  When you have to have mandatory pitstops just for 'overtaking', they have got it all wrong.

Yes, speed is good to watch, but F1 may as well be time trials, as sure as shit is brown and smelly, F1 isn't racing.

Jaime, please stop watching F1.....you know you hate it and we get the same old comments every year!

I love motorsport. I live in eternal hope it will become watchable. Each year, I have renewed hope that the rule changes will help overtaking. Yet another year, and its shown the 3 big changes (tyres, DRS and KERS) have done precisely sod all.


Yet, to me, the solutions to the sport are fairly simple - reduce downforce, and ban planned pitstops (ie, tyres have to last the race, only allowed to be changed if damaged or rain). ie, making following easier, and force on-track overtaking, rather than rely 99.9% on off-track overtaking.

Else you may as well send the cars out, qualifying style, for individual timed laps

[bob.dent]

Well, before I could say it was boring, I thought I should watch it, esp with the new rules.  I even recorded it.

What a waste of 2 hours. Boring as hell. As with the last 15 or so year, no overtaking (and by definition, no racing). They said at the beginning that there is only 6% of overtaking compared to 20yrs ago.  That is a castasphoric step backwards.  When you have to have mandatory pitstops just for 'overtaking', they have got it all wrong.

Yes, speed is good to watch, but F1 may as well be time trials, as sure as shit is brown and smelly, F1 isn't racing.

Jaime, please stop watching F1.....you know you hate it and we get the same old comments every year!

I love motorsport. I live in eternal hope it will become watchable. Each year, I have renewed hope that the rule changes will help overtaking. Yet another year, and its shown the 3 big changes (tyres, DRS and KERS) have done precisely sod all.


Yet, to me, the solutions to the sport are fairly simple - reduce downforce, and ban planned pitstops (ie, tyres have to last the race, only allowed to be changed if damaged or rain). ie, making following easier, and force on-track overtaking, rather than rely 99.9% on off-track overtaking.

Else you may as well send the cars out, qualifying style, for individual timed laps

I agree to some extent, but no matter what us viewers and fans think, the rules and regs will still dictated by a few half wits that have never sat behind the wheel on an F1 car. Therefore, we pretty much have to get what we're given regardless of our own opinions. Sad, but that's always been the way of F1.