Which Welder

[Marks DTM Calib]

The Clarkes are the best all round hobby Migs, the SIP's have vey poor wire feeds.

Remember that 135-140A is the most you can run off a domestic 13A socket.

A 135TE is a nice unit (and you have used one before!)

[TheBoy]

Gas or gasless? Can get gasless from screwfix for £90.  Clarke 135A is £250 from machine mart.

[TheBoy]

The Clarkes are the best all round hobby Migs, the SIP's have vey poor wire feeds.

Remember that 135-140A is the most you can run off a domestic 13A socket.

A 135TE is a nice unit (and you have used one before!)

Yeah, thats the £250 one I mention above. Reckon thats a good start? What about gasless - much cheaper.

On the upside, I do have a 10% code for machine mart

[Welung666]

Much cleaner, stronger weld with gas, especially if you use 02/Argon mix

[Marks DTM Calib]

Yep, much better weld with gas....and as said, Argashield is superb....but you have to consider your use and budget (that Clarke one has really shot up in price, I paid about 150 quid on a vat free day 3 years ago)

[TheBoy]

Much cleaner, stronger weld with gas, especially if you use 02/Argon mix

Yeah, know why you have inert (or semi inert) gases. The gasless mig ones use a gas flux in the wire from what i can gather?

[Marks DTM Calib]

Indeed, which is quite a big compromise.

[TheBoy]

Yep, much better weld with gas....and as said, Argashield is superb....but you have to consider your use and budget (that Clarke one has really shot up in price, I paid about 150 quid on a vat free day 3 years ago)

welcome to low interest rates 

[TheBoy]

Indeed, which is quite a big compromise.

So the gasless (or gas in wire) type best avoided then?

[Welung666]

Indeed, which is quite a big compromise.

So the gasless (or gas in wire) type best avoided then?

It's OK if you do a lot of welding outside in the wind. I tend to rig a windbreak if it's windy though as I prefer to use gas.

[unlucky mark mv6]

Much cleaner, stronger weld with gas, especially if you use 02/Argon mix

Totally agreed lee,but cant really comment on gasless as i have never used one.One advantage of the gasless i suppose is when your welding outdoors in a breeze.it wont blow the gas away and the weld bubbles up.

[Welung666]

Much cleaner, stronger weld with gas, especially if you use 02/Argon mix

Totally agreed lee,but cant really comment on gasless as i have never used one.One advantage of the gasless i suppose is when your welding outdoors in a breeze.it wont blow the gas away and the weld bubbles up.

Mine is gas/gasless and can run either way (with the correct wire of course), when using gasless I tend to weld more holes into my clothes than I do metal to metal

[Marks DTM Calib]

Gasless spits more (the core only turns to a gas as its hot).

Never had a problem outside, I just turn the shield gas pressure up a bit.

And its Ar/CO2 not Ar/O 

If you wnat to move onto alloys etc then gas is the only way to go.....

[unlucky mark mv6]

Much cleaner, stronger weld with gas, especially if you use 02/Argon mix

Totally agreed lee,but cant really comment on gasless as i have never used one.One advantage of the gasless i suppose is when your welding outdoors in a breeze.it wont blow the gas away and the weld bubbles up.

Mine is gas/gasless and can run either way (with the correct wire of course), when using gasless I tend to weld more holes into my clothes than I do metal to metal

A welder is designed to weld steal lee not clothes.

[Welung666]

Gasless spits more (the core only turns to a gas as its hot).

Never had a problem outside, I just turn the shield gas pressure up a bit.

And its Ar/CO2 not Ar/O 

If you wnat to move onto alloys etc then gas is the only way to go.....

That's what I meant but I was thinking about my mobile phone bill at the same time