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[hotel21]

This all hinges on whether the car is parked up without the owner present and the TW or PA simply does their job and sticks a ticket on it.

Edwardmickey - like you, I have stopped them with a clean screen when the disc has slipped down and dealt with by way of a warning.  PNC will only throw it up as VEL Exp once its 3 months out, not any less....

[bob.dent]

I would definitely try contacting them and explain. I got pulled up by a motorway patrol car because they said they couldn't see the tax disc displayed - it had actually fallen out of the holder and was on the floor. Luckily they were a decent couple of policemen and they had a laugh and let me go once they had checked it and it was re-inserted in the holder.

[supermop]

Surely if he has a valid tax disc, they have it on DVLA's records and he can send a copy of the disc in with an appeal letter to prove it?

Seems a bit daft fining people who actually have a valid tax disc.

[miggy]

Surely if he has a valid tax disc, they have it on DVLA's records and he can send a copy of the disc in with an appeal letter to prove it?

Seems a bit daft fining people who actually have a valid tax disc.

There you are, if you were gun totting the courts would most likely give you a caution.
Dont make sense sometimes.

[Kevin Wood]

Seems a bit daft fining people who actually have a valid tax disc.

Resources wasted - that could be spent on the scum who have no tax disc, MOT, insurance, etc.

The letter of the law may state that it must be displayed but what actually matters, especially now that checks can easily be made by computer, is that tax has been paid in respect of the vehicle and, more importantly, that it's MOT'd and insured.

Kevin

[rob114]

Couple of things here:

Within my force area (Northumbria) we have fixed penalty mitigation forms that you can submit arguing your point - what authority issued the fixed penalty? As said, it's worth a shot.

I don't whether this is nationwide or not but in my area the Police are no longer responsible for prosecuting fail to display/no vel - the information is passed to the dvla. (just for info only)

[hotel21]

please view replies 2 and 15.  two seperate offences, pnc does not show tax expired until 3 months after.

[Andy B]

......
 pnc does not show tax expired until 3 months after.

Why's that?


At least this thread reminded me that the road tax on my bike was up today. Sorted it out on line last night - just waiting for the Post Office to bring it to me now.

[Dean]

Two seperate and distinct offences.  1) Failing to have and 2) Failing to display.  Obviously you cannot display what you do not have (1) but if its fallen off and lying face down on the floor, then the TW only sees the holder and cannot see the excise licence, and so gives you a £30 badge (2).  Likewise, if its slipped down the screen a bit and the regno is hidden but the expiry date is still visible, again you get a £30 badge as they cannot say if its your disc or someone elses - potential fraudulent display.

Otherwise, its as Ron McB states - lost, stolen, whatever and a conscience call to you.  

Its a £60 fine in avon and somerset force now... as is no MOT!


If i can remeber to go to the post office or click my mouse to get a new tax disc then so can everybody else!... If its fallen down then get a proper holder.. not the metal ones from NEXT that dont stick to the windows and people rest them onthe dash!... i hate that! nothing worse than me tearing after a car because it has no tax displayed  to find it onthe dash because the lazy *** cant spend 50 pence on a proper holder from the local shop or post ofice! its all about PRIDE!

If they have made a real effort to fix it in a proper holder and its accidentely fell off = no ticket
If its a crappy holder or masking tape..or trying to defeat the laws of gravity or just plain forgot to get one then = TICKET....

While i am here... why have you got no tax? is that because no insurance? no licence? disqualified? etc....

[Dean]

please view replies 2 and 15.  two seperate offences, pnc does not show tax expired until 3 months after.

Thats about to change.... have a look at a pnc screen now it has a field for VEL held?... all say NOT HELD at the moment but it will soon say the expiry date!

[The Barge Captain]

Two seperate and distinct offences.  1) Failing to have and 2) Failing to display.  Obviously you cannot display what you do not have (1) but if its fallen off and lying face down on the floor, then the TW only sees the holder and cannot see the excise licence, and so gives you a £30 badge (2).  Likewise, if its slipped down the screen a bit and the regno is hidden but the expiry date is still visible, again you get a £30 badge as they cannot say if its your disc or someone elses - potential fraudulent display.

Otherwise, its as Ron McB states - lost, stolen, whatever and a conscience call to you.  

Its a £60 fine in avon and somerset force now... as is no MOT!


If i can remeber to go to the post office or click my mouse to get a new tax disc then so can everybody else!... If its fallen down then get a proper holder.. not the metal ones from NEXT that dont stick to the windows and people rest them onthe dash!... i hate that! nothing worse than me tearing after a car because it has no tax displayed  to find it onthe dash because the lazy *** cant spend 50 pence on a proper holder from the local shop or post ofice! its all about PRIDE!

If they have made a real effort to fix it in a proper holder and its accidentely fell off = no ticket
If its a crappy holder or masking tape..or trying to defeat the laws of gravity or just plain forgot to get one then = TICKET....

While i am here... why have you got no tax? is that because no insurance? no licence? disqualified? etc....

Yep  -got tax, mot insurance and a full valid licence.  Just forgot to swop the disks over at the start of the month.  A daft mistake, but suerly not £60's worth?

[Danny]

my point exactly, surely a "oi! put your new tax disc in" is enough!!

[Andy B]

my point exactly, surely a "oi! put your new tax disc in" is enough!!

.... but that does earn £60 or any Tufty points

[TheBoy]

Mine ran out whilst I was away on hols (though I got a new one before I went).  With the new one not being valid until 2 days before end of June, I sellotaped the new one in the screen, so both were on display. Is this legal?

What if I was away for longer, and therefore couldn't get the tax before I went?

(It was in an NCP which I assume doesn't count as highway)...

[Dean]

Mine ran out whilst I was away on hols (though I got a new one before I went).  With the new one not being valid until 2 days before end of June, I sellotaped the new one in the screen, so both were on display. Is this legal?

What if I was away for longer, and therefore couldn't get the tax before I went?

(It was in an NCP which I assume doesn't count as highway)...

No an NCP is not " a road repairable at public expence"

If you had left the car on a public road with the two tax discs displayed then you would have complied with the requirments of the law.