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[tunnie]

whats the chance ( if we can get anough names ) of oof getting a discount and us having a lpg weekend 

We already get a discount... I'll send you the details later (just about to head off to bed so it won't be tonight as all the details are in the car ) but he is very busy and can be a little slow. In fact, I think I'll give him a call about that :-/ :-/

As for a fitting weekend... It has been discussed a few times. Can't really have more than 3 people working on one car, otherwise you'd just get in each others way. It's pretty major work TBH and not really suitable for a mass job. There has been talk of doing a couple of mini-LPG meets where people like Kevin Wood, James and myself (who have done at least one of these conversions) would float about and give general help

He lost my custom due to his speed, not returning calls or sending order details as requested. Felt like he did not want my money, if it was not for glowing stories for OOF, i would have given up much earlier.

[tigers_gonads]

thanks for the info lads 

if we ever did this, it would have to be a damm site warmer outside too 

[Kevin Wood]

Also the amount of times a diesel has kept up with mother tunnies 3.0 is shocking 

So, you've got a 3.0 that's averaging 36MPG and tractors are keeping up? I think I know that the problem is. 

Thick carpet in the driver's footwell?

I am trying to remember how big Marie's spare wheel tank was. The figure of 59 litres rings a bell. Think that was the full volume not the 80% cpacity too. However, that dropped in instead of the spare and the floor went back down without being raised.

I have mixed feelings about an LPG fitting party. :-/ We'd need a building we could get several cars in, enough people to work on them but not too many, and every car would have to turn up with every part needed to fit the conversion because things start to slow down when you are missing a part or have to improvise IMHO.

Kevin

[Lazydocker]

Also the amount of times a diesel has kept up with mother tunnies 3.0 is shocking 

So, you've got a 3.0 that's averaging 36MPG and tractors are keeping up? I think I know that the problem is. 

Thick carpet in the driver's footwell?

I am trying to remember how big Marie's spare wheel tank was. The figure of 59 litres rings a bell. Think that was the full volume not the 80% cpacity too. However, that dropped in instead of the spare and the floor went back down without being raised.

I have mixed feelings about an LPG fitting party. :-/ We'd need a building we could get several cars in, enough people to work on them but not too many, and every car would have to turn up with every part needed to fit the conversion because things start to slow down when you are missing a part or have to improvise IMHO.

Kevin

Yep... My theory is:

Need 2-3 people per car (not including Kevin)
All parts as stated
A couple of "Spare" pre-drilled manifolds with nozzles fitted
At least 1 other "Experienced" person
Lots of tea, bacon, bread and a chef/tea boy!

Certainly not an ideal thing to be doing at a "Party"

All that said, I'm willing to help people out, assuming it fits with my shifts, for the cost of Dinner, bed and breakfast (and a fuel contribution if it's a very long way from home!)

[feeutfo]

re an lpg omega, and say.... with full irmscher body kit with sport star wheels, tow bar, upgraded head unit and sound system, full stainless exhaust system. Top spec omega with all the bits and bobs of your choice, whats the car worth? With all extra cash spent on it? At most, i'm thinking about 500 more than the book price, if that...?

Bikes are the same, uprated suspension and brake  parts, full titanium exhaust system, stage 1 tune or what ever else you want on it. You never get the value of those parts back at sale time, ever.

Its partly why i hate irreverseable mods, like drilling holes in wings bodywork and various engine parts to fit lpg. At sale time you wont get your money back for extras fitted. So take em off, return the car to stock and sell whatever extra goodies you have seperately. Hopefully the car wont look like a lump of swiss cheese for your new buyer.

Re diesel over dual fuel, i dont want to drive a diesel, esp not a small engined diesel, and a big engined diesel thats worth having gets very very expensive to keep on the road at the sort of mileage we are used to on here with the omega.

Cost is not the only considration, or we would all have smart cars, daewoo matiz 's or other comparable roller skate.

[feeutfo]

i reckon an lpg party is doable. Very much so. :-)

[Ken T]

You could "production line", but it would be a right pain to organise and keep running sweetly. The jobs would be : taking off the manifolds, drilling and tapping, fitting the nozzles and refitting the manifold, fitting the injectors and plumbing, ECU and general wiring, fitting vaporisers, fitting tank, doing tank plumbing and wiring, setting up and tuning. Trouble is there is a lot at the front end and people would get in the way.

The idea of easy stages without disabling the car seems most sensible to me. I lent Tunnie my spare 2.2 inlet manifold, so he can get it drilled, tapped and the nozzles fitted first without disabling the car. Fitting the manifold, injectors and vaporiser and front plumbing is an easy day job, and the car remains usable. Wiring in the ECU and  checking you have communication, you can poss check the vap water flow is getting up to temp, another easy day. Fitting the tank and plumbing, well a weekend taking it easy, but that's it already for final testing.

Remember we are getting to the cold part, and you will be physically limited as to how much you can do, unless you have a heated garage. I feel its better to take it easy, not rush and hence less chance of mistakes. Remember a broken tap in a manifold can take a long time to get out. (hence having a spare manifold makes sense)

Ken

[Entwood]

If memory serves  ... the V6 conversions all had a "spare" manifold pre-done, by Kevin I think. The idea being that the removed manifold was then prepared ready for the next conversion.

[sexydaz]

I see your point entirely .... but the 14 p/mile is over nearly 2 years and includes towing a rather large caravan some decent distances .. ie  south of France !!!

Looking at the spreadsheet, on runs up to Huddersfield when the lad lived there, so mostly motorway cruising ... it was running at a shade under 9.0 pence a mile ... so using that it would need a diesel to get around 45 mpg to be equal .....

At the end of the day it's your choice .. I wanted the grunt and flexibility of the 3.2 petrol ... so bought one and gassed it ... but it wouldn't suit everyone..

whos this lad and go on huddersfield gettin a mention

[Entwood]

My son lived /worked in Huddersfield ... he was manager of Camel in John William Street for the last couple of years ... now in Auckland, New Zealand, which is a tad far to take the Omega for a weekend !! 

[Ken T]

Yes makes sense. One thing about a party is those that have done it can share the experience with others. As I had no experience of this, plus had never seen a converted one in the flesh, I was a bit worried initially, hence moving a step at a time, so I could back track if anything went wrong.

If "production line" ing it, we need someone with project management experience, who can plan it all and do a critical path analysis etc, and stand with the stopwatch and clipboard, .......

At least we would have someone to blame if it went wrong !.



What might be useful would be a collection of photos, a "how to" so people who can't get to a central place have the benefit of other's experience, and mistakes. We could also work out a "recommended place" to fit tanks and pipe runs, so there would be some experienced people checking things. I ran my pipe next to the suspension donut, sleeved, cause it got it away from the crowded petrol pipe area next to the exhaust . Is this OK ?. It would be handy to have someone elses opinion on this.

If we got a good place to drill and tap manifolds, this could be organised, as its only about £8 to send  up to 30kg with DHL, and would avoid one person getting landed with all the work.    

I wouldn't mind helping out at a mass install, can take lots of photos, videos etc.

Ken

[tigers_gonads]

Yes makes sense. One thing about a party is those that have done it can share the experience with others. As I had no experience of this, plus had never seen a converted one in the flesh, I was a bit worried initially, hence moving a step at a time, so I could back track if anything went wrong.

If "production line" ing it, we need someone with project management experience, who can plan it all and do a critical path analysis etc, and stand with the stopwatch and clipboard, .......
At least we would have someone to blame if it went wrong !.


What might be useful would be a collection of photos, a "how to" so people who can't get to a central place have the benefit of other's experience, and mistakes. We could also work out a "recommended place" to fit tanks and pipe runs, so there would be some experienced people checking things. I ran my pipe next to the suspension donut, sleeved, cause it got it away from the crowded petrol pipe area next to the exhaust . Is this OK ?. It would be handy to have someone elses opinion on this.

If we got a good place to drill and tap manifolds, this could be organised, as its only about £8 to send  up to 30kg with DHL, and would avoid one person getting landed with all the work.    

I wouldn't mind helping out at a mass install, can take lots of photos, videos etc.

Ken

that will be me then 
according to the missus, i'm always standing around telling people what to do and its always my fault when something goes wrong 

[Lazydocker]

If memory serves  ... the V6 conversions all had a "spare" manifold pre-done, by Kevin I think. The idea being that the removed manifold was then prepared ready for the next conversion.

Yep... I bought a spare manifold, which Kevin very kindly fitted the nozzles to for me, so it was a straight swap. Kevin now has the spare manifold

[feeutfo]

Yes makes sense. One thing about a party is those that have done it can share the experience with others. As I had no experience of this, plus had never seen a converted one in the flesh, I was a bit worried initially, hence moving a step at a time, so I could back track if anything went wrong.

If "production line" ing it, we need someone with project management experience, who can plan it all and do a critical path analysis etc, and stand with the stopwatch and clipboard, .......
At least we would have someone to blame if it went wrong !.


What might be useful would be a collection of photos, a "how to" so people who can't get to a central place have the benefit of other's experience, and mistakes. We could also work out a "recommended place" to fit tanks and pipe runs, so there would be some experienced people checking things. I ran my pipe next to the suspension donut, sleeved, cause it got it away from the crowded petrol pipe area next to the exhaust . Is this OK ?. It would be handy to have someone elses opinion on this.

If we got a good place to drill and tap manifolds, this could be organised, as its only about £8 to send  up to 30kg with DHL, and would avoid one person getting landed with all the work.    

I wouldn't mind helping out at a mass install, can take lots of photos, videos etc.

Ken

that will be me then 
according to the missus, i'm always standing around telling people what to do and its always my fault when something goes wrong 

If oof manage to get the right man in that position it will be the first time in my and most peoples careers. :-) So as said, very doable.

The first time you do anything, be it lpg install, fitting wishbones, pressing a ford brake pedal, or any other job, your learning, obviously, and next time will be easier/quicker/better by far. Some very quick learners on here.

Suspect people will be very suprised how quickly the job can can be completed at the end of the day(s?)

However it may be sensible to concentrate on the most involved aspects leaving the simpler tasks to be completed by the owner at a later date.

Completeing the front end to the point the car is driveable again is obviously a basic requirement, then all else will be a bonus from there on, or fairly easy to complete later :-) 

[tunnie]

hopefully (thanks to Kevin) i should have the spare injector manifold (kindly supplied by KenT) ready for fitting by end of the year / early 2010.

I have been doing up my garage recently as lighting in there is shite, painted the walls white and having some decent strip lights mounted which should make it much better to work on at night.

Trouble with my garage is i can only fit 2 cars in at a time (maybe thats enough?).... although there is space for another 3 on the drive.

We held the a cambelt party at mine & TheBoys last year, it worked ok had 2 in at a time in my garage having the belts done.