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[Omegatoy]

you're right, diesels are for odd people and tractors.

someone once quoted listening to a diesel engine as being akin to hearing "a skeleton masturbating in a filing cabinet"

still, they are much more efficient than perol engines, and with modern electronics, the negative effects can be managed quite well. A diesel has won LeMans after all.

currently doing a 1200HP to 1500HP project at work for one of our vehicles. 28litre non-silenced V12 diesel

hmm v12 is only 2 straight sixes!!! so one would make 600bhp? ok send me the details for it!!!!

[2woody]

can't - classified.

google is, however, your friend. Try search string "CV12 engine diesel"

[Omegatoy]

can't - classified.

google is, however, your friend. Try search string "CV12 engine diesel"

Hmm just realised who you are after reading that!!!
nice one Stu!!!!!

[pedroMV6]

I thought it was Stu too.....gets about, doesn't he!

Looks like diesels are the way forward then, as said, more fuel efficient than petrols, they're now quieter and more refined.

Up till a little while ago, I would never have thought of buying a diesel, but it's a serious contender for my next car now.

[Sixstring]

IFIRC.....Fiat have RACED their 1.9 at 220 bhp in quite a few races successfully, in rallies, reliability was excellant, taking 2,3, and 6th places!! in the "autocorsa" series!!

Oilburners.........not too shabby, I think.

[joshwyatt]

I buy cars according to if the police buy them. If the police have them, then I'd buy it.
For example how many Honda Accords, or Toyota Avensis' do you see as police vehicles? There are some...but not widely used by forces.
And again, do they use petrol or diesel?
The Metropolitan Police use 1.7 CDTI Astra's, 3.0 V6 CDTI Vectra's, 530d's and 330d's and a few other. The majority of their fleet is diesel, TVP in the last of their Vectra's had the 3.0 V6 CDTI instead of the 2.8 V6 turbo.
The Volvo V70 T5 is still a favourite amoungst the majority of forces, but from as early as 2006 some forces used the D5 variant. Which is the 2.4 diesel producing 185 bhp.
It may seem odd that I'd only consider something used by the police (I don't neceaasirly mean it must be ex police, only that it's the same model), but think about how much testing and consideration is put to which vehicles are used for the fleet, their practicality, runnning costs, performance, capacity to fufill either IRV or RPU, ARV etc roles, occupancy protection in a crash, cost of repair.

This is why I would never buy a Vectra 3.0 V6 CDTI with an auto box, I have seen far too many come from the Met as non runners with gearbox issues, I've never seen so many of the same vehicle come through as non runners. But the manuals seem fine, so it's not an engine issue...just a gearbox issue. Some came through on about 65k miles, some 100k or more miles so I think it's just pot luck how long the gearbox holds out for.

[Omegatoy]

I buy cars according to if the police buy them. If the police have them, then I'd buy it.
For example how many Honda Accords, or Toyota Avensis' do you see as police vehicles? There are some...but not widely used by forces.
And again, do they use petrol or diesel?
The Metropolitan Police use 1.7 CDTI Astra's, 3.0 V6 CDTI Vectra's, 530d's and 330d's and a few other. The majority of their fleet is diesel, TVP in the last of their Vectra's had the 3.0 V6 CDTI instead of the 2.8 V6 turbo.
The Volvo V70 T5 is still a favourite amoungst the majority of forces, but from as early as 2006 some forces used the D5 variant. Which is the 2.4 diesel producing 185 bhp.
It may seem odd that I'd only consider something used by the police (I don't neceaasirly mean it must be ex police, only that it's the same model), but think about how much testing and consideration is put to which vehicles are used for the fleet, their practicality, runnning costs, performance, capacity to fufill either IRV or RPU, ARV etc roles, occupancy protection in a crash, cost of repair.

This is why I would never buy a Vectra 3.0 V6 CDTI with an auto box, I have seen far too many come from the Met as non runners with gearbox issues, I've never seen so many of the same vehicle come through as non runners. But the manuals seem fine, so it's not an engine issue...just a gearbox issue. Some came through on about 65k miles, some 100k or more miles so I think it's just pot luck how long the gearbox holds out for.

Josh, see by your avatar your oxford based, as i was for a good number of years and was actually at WOMA for a few years , think i must know you if you are a trader? I bought a lot of ex police cars from there, but only TVP as they are the best looked after!! and the foreman at TVP  service yard is a mate of mine so i got tipped the wink as to which were best and which to avoid!!!! lol

[joshwyatt]

I buy cars according to if the police buy them. If the police have them, then I'd buy it.
For example how many Honda Accords, or Toyota Avensis' do you see as police vehicles? There are some...but not widely used by forces.
And again, do they use petrol or diesel?
The Metropolitan Police use 1.7 CDTI Astra's, 3.0 V6 CDTI Vectra's, 530d's and 330d's and a few other. The majority of their fleet is diesel, TVP in the last of their Vectra's had the 3.0 V6 CDTI instead of the 2.8 V6 turbo.
The Volvo V70 T5 is still a favourite amoungst the majority of forces, but from as early as 2006 some forces used the D5 variant. Which is the 2.4 diesel producing 185 bhp.
It may seem odd that I'd only consider something used by the police (I don't neceaasirly mean it must be ex police, only that it's the same model), but think about how much testing and consideration is put to which vehicles are used for the fleet, their practicality, runnning costs, performance, capacity to fufill either IRV or RPU, ARV etc roles, occupancy protection in a crash, cost of repair.

This is why I would never buy a Vectra 3.0 V6 CDTI with an auto box, I have seen far too many come from the Met as non runners with gearbox issues, I've never seen so many of the same vehicle come through as non runners. But the manuals seem fine, so it's not an engine issue...just a gearbox issue. Some came through on about 65k miles, some 100k or more miles so I think it's just pot luck how long the gearbox holds out for.

Josh, see by your avatar your oxford based, as i was for a good number of years and was actually at WOMA for a few years , think i must know you if you are a trader? I bought a lot of ex police cars from there, but only TVP as they are the best looked after!! and the foreman at TVP  service yard is a mate of mine so i got tipped the wink as to which were best and which to avoid!!!! lol

Indeed I am Oxford based, in Kidlington.
And I'm a trader, and WOMA is one of my haunts, beats BCA hands down actually. Went to BCA Bedford yesterday and the prices were totally crazy. I was after a Freelander 2 TD4. Trade price is about £13k, and one went for £15,200.
I doubt you'd know me, haven't been at it that long, almost a year now...but it's always good to talk to a fellow trader 
And you're certainly right about TVP, they're pretty good actually...althogh there have been very very few TVP stuff coming through WOMA recently. I also find some of the Met stuff to be good. The other forces cars can be a bit ropey.

[2woody]

can't - classified.

google is, however, your friend. Try search string "CV12 engine diesel"

Hmm just realised who you are after reading that!!!
nice one Stu!!!!!

oh yes - it's me !

nowhere is safe

[pedroMV6]

can't - classified.

google is, however, your friend. Try search string "CV12 engine diesel"

Hmm just realised who you are after reading that!!!
nice one Stu!!!!!

oh yes - it's me !

nowhere is safe

This gave it away - '92 Evo 500 

[Andy B]

can't - classified.

google is, however, your friend. Try search string "CV12 engine diesel"

Hmm just realised who you are after reading that!!!
nice one Stu!!!!!

oh yes - it's me !

nowhere is safe

This gave it away - '92 Evo 500 

Why did I know who 2woody was from the start? His cars would have been to subtle for me .....  :-/

[Del Boy]

I buy cars according to if the police buy them. If the police have them, then I'd buy it.
For example how many Honda Accords, or Toyota Avensis' do you see as police vehicles? There are some...but not widely used by forces.
And again, do they use petrol or diesel?
The Metropolitan Police use 1.7 CDTI Astra's, 3.0 V6 CDTI Vectra's, 530d's and 330d's and a few other. The majority of their fleet is diesel, TVP in the last of their Vectra's had the 3.0 V6 CDTI instead of the 2.8 V6 turbo.
The Volvo V70 T5 is still a favourite amoungst the majority of forces, but from as early as 2006 some forces used the D5 variant. Which is the 2.4 diesel producing 185 bhp.
It may seem odd that I'd only consider something used by the police (I don't neceaasirly mean it must be ex police, only that it's the same model), but think about how much testing and consideration is put to which vehicles are used for the fleet, their practicality, runnning costs, performance, capacity to fufill either IRV or RPU, ARV etc roles, occupancy protection in a crash, cost of repair.

This is why I would never buy a Vectra 3.0 V6 CDTI with an auto box, I have seen far too many come from the Met as non runners with gearbox issues, I've never seen so many of the same vehicle come through as non runners. But the manuals seem fine, so it's not an engine issue...just a gearbox issue. Some came through on about 65k miles, some 100k or more miles so I think it's just pot luck how long the gearbox holds out for.

Josh, see by your avatar your oxford based, as i was for a good number of years and was actually at WOMA for a few years , think i must know you if you are a trader? I bought a lot of ex police cars from there, but only TVP as they are the best looked after!! and the foreman at TVP  service yard is a mate of mine so i got tipped the wink as to which were best and which to avoid!!!! lol

Indeed I am Oxford based, in Kidlington.
And I'm a trader, and WOMA is one of my haunts, beats BCA hands down actually. Went to BCA Bedford yesterday and the prices were totally crazy. I was after a Freelander 2 TD4. Trade price is about £13k, and one went for £15,200.
I doubt you'd know me, haven't been at it that long, almost a year now...but it's always good to talk to a fellow trader 
And you're certainly right about TVP, they're pretty good actually...althogh there have been very very few TVP stuff coming through WOMA recently. I also find some of the Met stuff to be good. The other forces cars can be a bit ropey.

BCA Enfield was the same, 520d's going for about 12k, no money to be made. Only thing I've got relatively cheap there was the SAAB.