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auto box adaptive shift
« on: 20 September 2010, 09:20:56 »

Ok odd one this  , Now I know that the auto box is adaptive with shift points on the Omega , But does this is also run true when you shift the box manually i.e. 1,2,3  or does this say the same with the speed of chance up/down.

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Re: auto box adaptive shift
« Reply #1 on: 20 September 2010, 09:42:10 »

I dont think the autobox is adaptive..

it barely depends on the engine rpm , load factor (road inclination) and the sports button..

edit: also it depends on how much you push the accelerator
« Last Edit: 20 September 2010, 10:37:44 by cem_devecioglu »
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« Reply #2 on: 20 September 2010, 10:23:28 »

not sure if it adapts or just follows the software reguardless, but manualy it does what you tell it, provided the next gear is with in rpm range, so no, imo. :-/
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« Reply #3 on: 20 September 2010, 11:00:51 »

I was thinking about the autobox the other night and wondering if anyone has seen any control boxes that turn it into a semi-auto (i.e. flappy-paddle controlled autobox)?

There used to be one available for the 300ZX - it achieved it, as far as I know, by messing with the auto box ECU control signals, and I imagine the same would be possible with the Omega unless the engine ECU & gearbox ECU communicate over CANbus (which just complicates everything)..

(I was thinking about this about the same time I was trawling eBay wondering if any alternative auto shifters could be made to fit)
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Re: auto box adaptive shift
« Reply #4 on: 20 September 2010, 11:13:05 »

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I dont think the autobox is adaptive..

it barely depends on the engine rpm , load factor (road inclination) and the sports button..

edit: also it depends on how much you push the accelerator

It is but, only in the auto mode not when manualy shifting.

Easiest to spot when getting in and ragging a car thats been driven very gently for a while, the shift points are lower in the revs as its learnt a sedate pattern......it soon 'learns' the newer style!

Heres a brief mention of it in TIS

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« Reply #5 on: 20 September 2010, 12:01:39 »

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I dont think the autobox is adaptive..

it barely depends on the engine rpm , load factor (road inclination) and the sports button..

edit: also it depends on how much you push the accelerator

It is but, only in the auto mode not when manualy shifting.

Easiest to spot when getting in and ragging a car thats been driven very gently for a while, the shift points are lower in the revs as its learnt a sedate pattern......it soon 'learns' the newer style!

Heres a brief mention of it in TIS


mine is dumb then ;D :y
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Re: auto box adaptive shift
« Reply #6 on: 20 September 2010, 12:09:22 »

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I dont think the autobox is adaptive..

it barely depends on the engine rpm , load factor (road inclination) and the sports button..

edit: also it depends on how much you push the accelerator

It is but, only in the auto mode not when manualy shifting.

Easiest to spot when getting in and ragging a car thats been driven very gently for a while, the shift points are lower in the revs as its learnt a sedate pattern......it soon 'learns' the newer style!Heres a brief mention of it in TIS

 :y Thanks for that.  Time to go to school ;) ;).
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« Reply #7 on: 20 September 2010, 14:27:23 »

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I dont think the autobox is adaptive..

it barely depends on the engine rpm , load factor (road inclination) and the sports button..

edit: also it depends on how much you push the accelerator

It is but, only in the auto mode not when manualy shifting.

Easiest to spot when getting in and ragging a car thats been driven very gently for a while, the shift points are lower in the revs as its learnt a sedate pattern......it soon 'learns' the newer style!Heres a brief mention of it in TIS

 :y Thanks for that.  Time to go to school ;) ;).

I've been using miggy for 6 years and never witnessed that it shifted in different rpms.. end of..

and must add its as dumb as a wood.. unless I use sportbutton or 1,2,3
« Last Edit: 20 September 2010, 14:31:50 by cem_devecioglu »
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« Reply #8 on: 20 September 2010, 15:38:44 »

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I dont think the autobox is adaptive..

it barely depends on the engine rpm , load factor (road inclination) and the sports button..

edit: also it depends on how much you push the accelerator

It is but, only in the auto mode not when manualy shifting.

Easiest to spot when getting in and ragging a car thats been driven very gently for a while, the shift points are lower in the revs as its learnt a sedate pattern......it soon 'learns' the newer style!Heres a brief mention of it in TIS

 :y Thanks for that.  Time to go to school ;) ;).

I've been using miggy for 6 years and never witnessed that it shifted in different rpms.. end of..

and must add its as dumb as a wood.. unless I use sportbutton or 1,2,3
maybe the software update would help, if not done already...
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« Reply #9 on: 20 September 2010, 16:53:54 »

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I dont think the autobox is adaptive..

it barely depends on the engine rpm , load factor (road inclination) and the sports button..

edit: also it depends on how much you push the accelerator

It is but, only in the auto mode not when manualy shifting.

Easiest to spot when getting in and ragging a car thats been driven very gently for a while, the shift points are lower in the revs as its learnt a sedate pattern......it soon 'learns' the newer style!Heres a brief mention of it in TIS

 :y Thanks for that.  Time to go to school ;) ;).

I've been using miggy for 6 years and never witnessed that it shifted in different rpms.. end of..

and must add its as dumb as a wood.. unless I use sportbutton or 1,2,3
maybe the software update would help, if not done already...

no software updates.. but whoever written that original software ... :-X
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Re: auto box adaptive shift
« Reply #10 on: 20 September 2010, 17:47:40 »

hi guys, please forgive my stupidity but are you saying that the revs the auto changes gear at can be changed/adapted to whatever you want???
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Re: auto box adaptive shift
« Reply #11 on: 20 September 2010, 18:05:10 »

Not to what ever you want, they adapt to your driving style over a period of use.

And CEM, they DO adapt.

Its difficult to spot when you drive your own car all the time as the adaption is slow and subtle but, I spot it quite quickly when driving others, you can tell hows its been driven.

If I get in AA's and try to give it some boot (without tripping the kick down) it changes earlier in the revs by 1000rpm or so.



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« Reply #12 on: 20 September 2010, 18:18:38 »

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Not to what ever you want, they adapt to your driving style over a period of use.

And CEM, they DO adapt.

Its difficult to spot when you drive your own car all the time as the adaption is slow and subtle but, I spot it quite quickly when driving others, you can tell hows its been driven.

If I get in AA's and try to give it some boot (without tripping the kick down) it changes earlier in the revs by 1000rpm or so.




Mr DTM, they may adopt,  but obviously I dont see  as the gear ratios are crap with a crap autobox.. it locks up very late , consumes unnecessary fuel, and resists to accelerate.. if it was 6 speed with short ratios may be I would feel.. or else the box is fubar whatever..
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Re: auto box adaptive shift
« Reply #13 on: 20 September 2010, 21:31:55 »

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Not to what ever you want, they adapt to your driving style over a period of use.

And CEM, they DO adapt.

Its difficult to spot when you drive your own car all the time as the adaption is slow and subtle but, I spot it quite quickly when driving others, you can tell hows its been driven.

If I get in AA's and try to give it some boot (without tripping the kick down) it changes earlier in the revs by 1000rpm or so.




It's very noticeable after towing for a while, as well, IME.

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« Reply #14 on: 21 September 2010, 01:25:52 »

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Not to what ever you want, they adapt to your driving style over a period of use.

And CEM, they DO adapt.

Its difficult to spot when you drive your own car all the time as the adaption is slow and subtle but, I spot it quite quickly when driving others, you can tell hows its been driven.

If I get in AA's and try to give it some boot (without tripping the kick down) it changes earlier in the revs by 1000rpm or so.


Mr DTM, they may adopt,  but obviously I dont see  as the gear ratios are crap with a crap autobox.. it locks up very late , consumes unnecessary fuel, and resists to accelerate.. if it was 6 speed with short ratios may be I would feel.. or else the box is fubar whatever..

I realise tech2 may not be so easily accessible Cem, but if at all possible, I would recommend the auto gear box update, iirc latest is version 9, improves the changes and shift points, also climate update while your there, sorry to keep on.  :)
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