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[Marks DTM Calib]

I got 1962 ford consul 375, 1965 5litre p6 rover and am in a classic club
as for too many made bland etc.
EVERY show I been to  gets LOADS an LOADS of MGB's
I think in 10 yrs or so they will.
After all how many cars from 80's do you see?

Thats a hell of job to get that sort of cc from that era.

New liners, specialist crank, new rods, new pistons.

Uber challenging, top job 

I should ask, high risk to. Those early blocks are not very strong and way before the thickened webs and cross bolts

[waspy]

I did it! Dont panic car was a wreck when I got it.
Took me 6 months to do whole car.

I asked, because the P6 didn't have the V8 until 1968.
I've owned a 1966 P6 2000SC, a 1976 P6 2200TC & a 1974 V8 Auto Countless SD1's too

[symes]

no m8 used 3.9 block chevy pistons an pontiac rods
also put girdle on bottom end-like the miggy got
ITS fun in a straight line but a real boat on corners still its only fun-right!
now its got weathered(leave it outside) it looks original

[Martin_1962]

The remainders will be classics due to

1) Scrapping due to engine knicking to put into turdmobiles

2) Last of V cars

3) Simply not that many left - will be classics in same way Rover SD1 V8s are

If there was a Lotus Carlton version, or they made the V8 version yes. But can't see it happening, too many V6 cars still being made to be considered 'last of the Vs'

Something that would become a classic, Monaro/VXR8

Them and Moranos are last of the V cars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_V_platform_%28RWD%29

VXR8 is sure to be a classic not only is it the Lotus Carlon of the decade, they are very few in number

Post V car though

[Martin_1962]

All I am saying is that the 25+ year rule is something thats going to change, cars now, are built better, aluminium bodys, galvanised steel means cars now will last better, in 25 years more of them will be around. So there will have to be something special about them, to make them a classic, and sadly, there is nothing special about the Omega.

Classics have to be low in numbers!

I suspect that there will be much fewer of the modern cars about.

The complexity and large number of controllers, displays etc on them means that they are going to be mega hard to keep running long term, modern body materials will be the least of the worries (although steel is still the chassis material of choice so that will continue to be a place for concern)

Hence my thoughts

[Marks DTM Calib]

no m8 used 3.9 block chevy pistons an pontiac rods
also put girdle on bottom end-like the miggy got
ITS fun in a straight line but a real boat on corners still its only fun-right!
now its got weathered(leave it outside) it looks original

Very sensible, I have seen a few of the pre SD1 blocks with cracked webs 

[Martin_1962]

I think a classic is a matter or personal taste to be honest. Like the example of the HST's still in service on the network. Many people I know think these are classics as they are the last proper train still in service rather than these awful voyagers etc. A lot of ex br steam men can't stand the black 5's as they were as common as muck in there era.

Take for example the rover sd1 I love them but my grandfather who worked for rover in that era thinks they are awful cars.

Numbers etc have nothing to do with it. I had a a 1992 BMW 750 before I got my second omega a few days ago and many people think they are a classic and others think its an old banger.

The main thing is that we all love our cars otherwise we wouldn't be here. I think the rarer versions of the omega will be classics like the rare 8v select etc

Sorry but I must point out some facts on that statement.

I don't know where you have got that information from, but it is widely recognised in steam circles that Stanier's Black Five's were a highly praised engine.  Among numerous statements made over the years by ex-LMS / BRM footplate crew, two of which I met, the likes of Eric Tracy, there is specifically ex-Midland Driver J.R.Carter, who states in his book Working Steam (1976) that Black 5's were "the firm favourite of locomen".  In addition Brain Haresnape, in his book Stanier Locomotives (1970) states they were "one of the most successful and popular classes of locomotive ever constructed", which echoes not only the feelings of the old steam sheds allocated that class, but the feelings of the modern preservation movement who have close on 20 either rebuilt or awaiting restoration of the 842 originally constructed.  Believe me they were always loved and still are, being a true classic of British railway engineering.

There were two better rated locomotives of that size.

1) BR Type 5, like a Black 5 but better.

2) GWR Hall to my mind the best class 5 steam loco

Read the Peter Smith books

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Footplate-Over-Mendips-Peter-Smith/dp/086093022X

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mendips-Engineman-Peter-W-Smith/dp/0902888587/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1286657361&sr=1-2

But then they really loved the 9Fs, they drove the BR and LMS class 5s regularly, but have seen the sheer ability of the Halls.

But then the Black 5 is basically an LMSed Hall

[Martin_1962]

Maybe thats the case then but again its individual taste. It was merely a comparrision maybe I should of used the class 47 as an example instead. ( I retract my statement re the balck 5's)
 Many people including me think they are great locomotives but again a very common sight on the network in loco hauled days.

A quality piece of Brush designed Sulzer traction 

 

The Sulzer lump is not exactly great the 16CSVT is a better lump in that power range

[hotel21]

It will most likely be the poverty spec models that reach 'classic' status first, simply due to lower numbers produced and resulting rarity/originality factor.

Just look on here.  Everyone and their granny wants either an Elite with all the toys or an MV6! 

[Martin_1962]

Oh...I thought I had put my foot in it! My grandad was a driver in steam days (later moving on to modern traction before retirement) and he never liked them. The same as lot of ex br steam drivers I work with now! Oh well everyone is different and I don't wish to start an argument. I have removed that from my post now anyway!

I work for Network rail and I am a volunteer on a steam railway by the way as well as loving cars etc.

What region did he drive for?

Was he a lover of all products Swindon?

[Martin_1962]

I think a classic is a matter or personal taste to be honest. Like the example of the HST's still in service on the network. Many people I know think these are classics as they are the last proper train still in service rather than these awful voyagers etc. A lot of ex br steam men can't stand the black 5's as they were as common as muck in there era.
Take for example the rover sd1 I love them but my grandfather who worked for rover in that era thinks they are awful cars.

Numbers etc have nothing to do with it. I had a a 1992 BMW 750 before I got my second omega a few days ago and many people think they are a classic and others think its an old banger.

The main thing is that we all love our cars otherwise we wouldn't be here. I think the rarer versions of the omega will be classics like the rare 8v select etc

Blimey, thats weird, one of our volunteers who is ex BR steam says exactly the same, he even volunteered for the Duke of Gloucester once rather than a black 5.

There is always the exception to the rule with anything Mark

Not everyone in steam days liked working on steam engines at all after all!

Yes, was surprised myself, he loved steam and left 5 years after diesel traction arrived as he found it boring.

He drove a lot of the greats to including Mallard and Sir Nige and was based out of Colwick in Nottingham (so also drove the Great Central a few times to)

No wonder he hated Black 5s he was an LNER man at heart

[symes]

first engine I built was an early 3.5 to 3.9 BLEW rod out of side and that was racing an E-type up the M40!! Now I can out drag a ferrari In fact did that on the way back from Gaydon's spring classic!! Don't think he liked that,my mrs was laughin her socks off!!!

[Marks DTM Calib]

Maybe thats the case then but again its individual taste. It was merely a comparrision maybe I should of used the class 47 as an example instead. ( I retract my statement re the balck 5's)
 Many people including me think they are great locomotives but again a very common sight on the network in loco hauled days.

A quality piece of Brush designed Sulzer traction 

 

The Sulzer lump is not exactly great the 16CSVT is a better lump in that power range

Who are you trying to kid.....50's were never known for there good engines lol.

The biggest issue with the EE and later derivatives was a naff cam timing setup and to low a compression....hence mega smoke at cold start and very variable power outputs.

The Sulzer had issues early on due to the Barrow boys not being used to the construction, following re-works and crank balancing they proved very reliable prime movers. 

[Omegatoy]

Hmm
me and the mrs was talking the other day on the way to gibralter(filled tank for 44quid )about whether or not to get another mig,

And i said i have no idea how long i can keep the old bus running, she replied well its almost a classic now anyway!!!
and  suppose she is right after all how many other 94td,s
are still running around with virtually no rust?

[Marks DTM Calib]

I think a classic is a matter or personal taste to be honest. Like the example of the HST's still in service on the network. Many people I know think these are classics as they are the last proper train still in service rather than these awful voyagers etc. A lot of ex br steam men can't stand the black 5's as they were as common as muck in there era.
Take for example the rover sd1 I love them but my grandfather who worked for rover in that era thinks they are awful cars.

Numbers etc have nothing to do with it. I had a a 1992 BMW 750 before I got my second omega a few days ago and many people think they are a classic and others think its an old banger.

The main thing is that we all love our cars otherwise we wouldn't be here. I think the rarer versions of the omega will be classics like the rare 8v select etc

Blimey, thats weird, one of our volunteers who is ex BR steam says exactly the same, he even volunteered for the Duke of Gloucester once rather than a black 5.

There is always the exception to the rule with anything Mark

Not everyone in steam days liked working on steam engines at all after all!

Yes, was surprised myself, he loved steam and left 5 years after diesel traction arrived as he found it boring.

He drove a lot of the greats to including Mallard and Sir Nige and was based out of Colwick in Nottingham (so also drove the Great Central a few times to)

No wonder he hated Black 5s he was an LNER man at heart

Quite the contary, he said that during the last 10 years of steam they were knackered and falling apart, many you could see the fire through the lower sections of the fire box. Mainly due to poor maintenance, the others were better cared for