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Re: New mini
« Reply #15 on: 07 November 2010, 16:41:11 »

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....Remember when Top Gear drove round the track at a leisurly 40ish mph in a BMW and  Prius....and the BMW did MORE mpg??  ......

Actually ........  ;) The Pious was driven flat out and the M3 just had to keep up for 10 laps.
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Pious - 17.2 mpg
M3 - 19.4 mpg    :y       
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKTOyiKLARk   
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Re: New mini
« Reply #16 on: 07 November 2010, 17:03:33 »

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....Remember when Top Gear drove round the track at a leisurly 40ish mph in a BMW and  Prius....and the BMW did MORE mpg??  ......

Actually ........  ;) The Pious was driven flat out and the M3 just had to keep up for 10 laps.
Result
Pious - 17.2 mpg
M3 - 19.4 mpg    :y       
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKTOyiKLARk   


Yes, that was a bit evil of them. ;D

My milk-float (to accomodate TB) did 54/ish mpg between the last fill-ups.

I simply kept to the posted limits - where safe.
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Re: New mini
« Reply #17 on: 07 November 2010, 21:33:37 »

Ah was it? Yes, a bit naughty of them!

Though my original point still remains, a prius and an m3 going at the same speed, driven in the same way, and the beemers more economical.

But then again I hate Priuses even more than BMWs!  ;D
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Re: New mini
« Reply #18 on: 08 November 2010, 01:05:31 »

Funny my wife was looking into getting one of these but sounds like they are more unreliable than her polo and as for the new model (just released) it really has nothing to do with the mini it sits up like a golf only to me it looks all out of proportion.
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Re: New mini
« Reply #19 on: 08 November 2010, 09:48:59 »

I know plenty of folks who really like them, but they don't seem to be the most reliable thing around - and the dealer experience isn't great going by my colleague here (went back to them twice within a fortnight after the failed to do any real diagnostic the first time "It'll be fine sir" followed by "Needs a new fuel pump sir, £350 please")

They can certainly be made to handle pretty well, though, based on how much confidence the Cooper S had around Anglesey in the wet - he kept his foot in much longer around the back straight than I dared to! (And of course he could get on the power quicker and scrabble out of the corners with his FWD while I was still going wheeeeeeoversteer ;D)
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Re: New mini
« Reply #20 on: 08 November 2010, 09:57:06 »

mini's up to around 2004 also suffer with gearbox issues(they use a revamped rover 25 box) later cars have a different box.I have fitted two replacements in the last 12 months both on sub 80k cars
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Re: New mini
« Reply #21 on: 08 November 2010, 10:16:35 »

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They can certainly be made to handle pretty well, though, based on how much confidence the Cooper S had around Anglesey in the wet - he kept his foot in much longer around the back straight than I dared to! (And of course he could get on the power quicker and scrabble out of the corners with his FWD while I was still going wheeeeeeoversteer ;D)

Where's the fun in that? ;D

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« Reply #22 on: 08 November 2010, 11:39:53 »

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They can certainly be made to handle pretty well, though, based on how much confidence the Cooper S had around Anglesey in the wet - he kept his foot in much longer around the back straight than I dared to! (And of course he could get on the power quicker and scrabble out of the corners with his FWD while I was still going wheeeeeeoversteer ;D)

Where's the fun in that? ;D

Oh I agree entirely  :y
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Re: New mini
« Reply #23 on: 08 November 2010, 11:48:21 »

Admittedly, we are fortunate enough to change our other car annually so we don't clock up mega miles but my wife has had six brand new mini coopers in the last six years and they have all been great cars. We only change them so often as my wife is on a car scheme where she has to change it yearly.
I agree that they are seriously overpriced and you would have to really really like them to part with the money they command. We have not had any issues with any of them. As I say, we do minimal mileage so I can only go on personal experience and cannot comment on higher mileage mini's.
We've had four 1.6 petrol models and two 1.6 diesel models and we think the diesel is the better car by far.
It is a cracking 'little' car to drive and brings out the worst in people with its go-kart handling and long journeys have not caused us any comfort issues. I will admit that rear legroom is non-existant but you don't buy a mini for a family of four do you.
As said, ours were all brand new so you could argue that I'm not in a position to comment on older mini's and the later one's are definately better.
You can probably get a lot more car for your money in another brand but thats personal choice. You either love them or hate them.
We have a new 330d bmw M coupe now as well as the Omega but we still like the mini. :y
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Re: New mini
« Reply #24 on: 08 November 2010, 18:55:06 »

Oh you lot have really gee'd up my gander with some of your posts about these cars!   >:(  ;D

Actually, it's all very minor nit-picking so feel free to ignore me.  First, that the MINI ever got to be launched was a bit of a wonder.  BMW created a real dog's dinner of a project, from their handling of individuals in both the UK and in Germany, their decision making and their at times quite unfathomable behaviour.  Not the first time they have been less than professional mind you, the company has previous in treating badly companies and people it decides to no longer do business with.  But anyway, basically the MINI was a Rover product, created to a set of guidelines and an engine imposed on it by the parent.  And say what you like about quality, brummies making cars and all that, but it was a superb bit of work hampered by only two problems really - weight (the Mini is a bit porky) and rubbish engines. 

Most of the reliability issues have usually been down to component suppliers trying to cut their own costs down on materials.  A silly example here was the fuel filler cap early in their production run, which the maker was supplying with a thinner seal that saved them tuppence per unit and caused leaks.  Stupid, stupid stupid.   

The transmission issues afflicting Minis is a bit of an odd one.  The 'box is basically the Rover PG1 unit (itself based on a licenced Peugot box) with some modified internals and I think linkage too.  But it has had a bit of a chequered history, possibily as a result of the changes made as the units fitted to the Rover models were way more reliable.  Oh, they were built by Midlands Transmissions too. A BMW company.  Ahem. 

As far as what these cars are like to drive, from personal experience going back to before they were launched I still think the early models are better to drive than most current superminis on sale. They have a lovely intimacy that the likes of VW seem determined to engineer out of their cars.  In fact, the last time I drove a small hatch and got out of grinning before the Mini was a 1.6 Pug 205GTI.  You'd struggle to give it better praise than that.

I find the driving position is not the most comfortable though (which means the other half doesn't get mugged for the keys to her's too often), the boot is abysmal, the rear seat just weird and it is a quite demanding car to drive in that it talks to you a lot with positive controls and firm pedal weighting. But it's an entertaining sort of attention-seeking, rather like an eager puppy bouncing along than a fully-grown pitbull hauling you all over the place. For that reason I completely disagree about the Cooper being anything like as dangerous as inferred earlier as the non-S models just don't have the power to overcome the weight they drag round and be more than a bit mischievous.  And the S version ain't that much different either in reality.

Talking of power and speed, if you have truly forsaken both then get an early diesel. They scarcely worry milkfloats, although the driveline is quite good - a bit of a surprise if you knew about the utter shambles BMW made of the development process for that model.
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Re: New mini
« Reply #25 on: 08 November 2010, 22:08:24 »

they perform really good in traffic (s models and higher).. :-X

if you dont care about maintenance costs , get one..

and you or missus soon will end up with fines ;D
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Re: New mini
« Reply #26 on: 08 November 2010, 22:29:55 »

Think she will give it a miss then i think,as it seems that the cons outweigh the pro's :-/
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Re: New mini
« Reply #27 on: 08 November 2010, 22:45:48 »

I worked at MINI Oxford(thats what BMW call it) The car is VERY overrated Quality is not exactly up there with HONDA I Know this because I spent many years supplying parts to HONDA.
Personally would steer clear of the MINI However Original Mini is a style icon
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Re: New mini
« Reply #28 on: 09 November 2010, 00:05:27 »

Nice to see people referring to the technically correct designation of 'MINI', rather than 'Mini' something I omitted in my original post.

Interestingly we've all forgotten that the original Mini wasn't actually that good in many respects, such as quality, reliability etc.. Of course it was cheeeap, and totally unpretentious.

It never pretended to be perfect, but sold in huge numbers in spite of that....a bit like Staus Quo, then.  :D :D :D :D
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Re: New mini
« Reply #29 on: 09 November 2010, 10:40:18 »

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Nice to see people referring to the technically correct designation of 'MINI', rather than 'Mini' something I omitted in my original post.

Call me stubborn but I find being told how to spell the name of the Mini by an overrated American stylist and a bunch of Bavarians sticks in the throat somewhat.  And if it annoys them that some people don't kowtow to their marketing speak then all the better!   :)  I'd be surprised if it did though.

Reliability of the models is pretty decent, but if that's a crucial issue then as mentioned, the Honda Civic is a very nice option.  Thing is, are we these days maybe a bit spoilt by the comparitive dependability of mdoern cars compared to old versions?  Certainly when I was a kid and had a mini it was almost a rite of passage to have stripped the thing down at some point, experience the joys of a damp distributor, continually adjusting drum brakes and playing find the oil leak.  Oh, and breaking fingers.  I was very good at that.  :o
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