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Re: ABS a hindrance?
« Reply #30 on: 27 December 2010, 19:36:10 »
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I've never understood how stopping the brake pads from touching the brake disc improves braking?

I'd rather stamp on the brakes and know that I was getting 100% of the available braking force.

A.B.S. is for people who can't drive properly!



Anyone who is of the opinion that "stamping on the brakes" will give "100% of the available braking force" needs to do a session on a skid pan. ;)

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« Reply #31 on: 27 December 2010, 19:45:30 »
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I've never understood how stopping the brake pads from touching the brake disc improves braking?

I'd rather stamp on the brakes and know that I was getting 100% of the available braking force.

A.B.S. is for people who can't drive properly!

Wow  :o
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Re: ABS a hindrance?
« Reply #32 on: 27 December 2010, 20:25:45 »
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I've never understood how stopping the brake pads from touching the brake disc improves braking?

I'd rather stamp on the brakes and know that I was getting 100% of the available braking force.

A.B.S. is for people who can't drive properly!

2 of those sentences contradict each other  :-/
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Re: ABS a hindrance?
« Reply #33 on: 27 December 2010, 20:31:27 »
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I've never understood how stopping the brake pads from touching the brake disc improves braking?

I'd rather stamp on the brakes and know that I was getting 100% of the available braking force.

A.B.S. is for people who can't drive properly!



Anyone who is of the opinion that "stamping on the brakes" will give "100% of the available braking force" needs to do a session on a skid pan. ;)

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or needs ABS..........
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Re: ABS a hindrance?
« Reply #34 on: 27 December 2010, 20:55:37 »
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I've never understood how stopping the brake pads from touching the brake disc improves braking?

I'd rather stamp on the brakes and know that I was getting 100% of the available braking force.

A.B.S. is for people who can't drive properly!



Anyone who is of the opinion that "stamping on the brakes" will give "100% of the available braking force" needs to do a session on a skid pan. ;)

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or needs ABS..........


.. and, therefore, by definition, can't drive properly. :-X

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Re: ABS a hindrance?
« Reply #35 on: 27 December 2010, 21:05:01 »
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2LoyiFuqKc[/media]

not the advert i was looking for.. but it will do.

abs was invented for those that dont realise that a locked wheel does little for steering around things like white van man in the wet!
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Re: ABS a hindrance?
« Reply #36 on: 27 December 2010, 22:33:08 »
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abs was invented for  .....

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Re: ABS a hindrance?
« Reply #37 on: 27 December 2010, 22:34:47 »
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I've never understood how stopping the brake pads from touching the brake disc improves braking?

I'd rather stamp on the brakes and know that I was getting 100% of the available braking force.

A.B.S. is for people who can't drive properly!

Wow  :o

It's a one word answer Chris, but not quite the same one as I was thinking of.  ::) ::) ::)
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« Reply #38 on: 28 December 2010, 01:06:20 »
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I've never understood how stopping the brake pads from touching the brake disc improves braking?

I'd rather stamp on the brakes and know that I was getting 100% of the available braking force.

A.B.S. is for people who can't drive properly!

Wow  :o

It's a one word answer Chris, but not quite the same one as I was thinking of.  ::) ::) ::)
It actually took me some considerable time to come up with that, it's the first printable one on the list down in about 15th place.    :-X
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Re: ABS a hindrance?
« Reply #39 on: 28 December 2010, 05:31:11 »
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I've never understood how stopping the brake pads from touching the brake disc improves braking?

I'd rather stamp on the brakes and know that I was getting 100% of the available braking force.

A.B.S. is for people who can't drive properly!

You wouldn't want 100% of the braking force if you were skidding, this is when ABS kicks in, it puts the brakes on and off many times per second so that your car doesn't just plough ahead in a skid, you can still steer whilst maintaining most of the braking force
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Re: ABS a hindrance?
« Reply #40 on: 28 December 2010, 11:17:38 »
The important thing about ABS is that it is working all 4 brakes individually to use all available traction from each wheel.

Unless you have 4 brake pedals and 4 right feet to operate them you can't come close with a manual setup. ;)

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Re: ABS a hindrance?
« Reply #41 on: 28 December 2010, 11:25:38 »
I stand by my comment that a.b.s. is for people who do not have a proper understanding of vehicle handling characteristics.

I have spent most of my working life driving different types of commercial vans and trucks.
Why do vehicles for 'professional' drivers usually not have this 'driver aid' fitted?

Why do rally cars not have a.b.s. fitted?

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Re: ABS a hindrance?
« Reply #42 on: 28 December 2010, 11:31:46 »
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The important thing about ABS is that it is working all 4 brakes individually to use all available traction from each wheel.

Unless you have 4 brake pedals and 4 right feet to operate them you can't come close with a manual setup. ;)

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Only on 4 channel systems, 3 channel systems, as fitted to pre 1998 Omegas (and plenty of other cars), have independent control of each front, but control the rear as a pair...
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« Reply #43 on: 28 December 2010, 11:50:20 »
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I stand by my comment that a.b.s. is for people who do not have a proper understanding of vehicle handling characteristics.

I have spent most of my working life driving different types of commercial vans and trucks.
Why do vehicles for 'professional' drivers usually not have this 'driver aid' fitted?

Why do rally cars not have a.b.s. fitted?

Rally cars need the ability to lock occasionally.  And most rally drivers are a far better driver than you or I will ever be.  F1 cars would have ABS if it wasn't banned - and if the (supposedly) best drivers in the world could benefit from it, despite the extra weight/complexity/reliability.....


As a rule, those people who reckon they can do better than a modern ABS system in a family car have egos far larger than their abilities IMHO
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Re: ABS a hindrance?
« Reply #44 on: 28 December 2010, 12:06:14 »
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I stand by my comment that a.b.s. is for people who do not have a proper understanding of vehicle handling characteristics.

I have spent most of my working life driving different types of commercial vans and trucks.
Why do vehicles for 'professional' drivers usually not have this 'driver aid' fitted?

Why do rally cars not have a.b.s. fitted?


as with most things, new tech is expensive and in the case of abs when launched only fitted to the top spec motors (or planes first andy b)

as the cost comes down, it gets fitted to eveything else.

vans, trucks, especially when coupled to multi axle trailers .

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2FKIHWoVfM[/media]
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