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[TheBoy]

Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! 

So does an Omega.

You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you  :-/

[tunnie]

If you intend towing this lot Josh, do have the entitlement on your licence? As you passed your test since 97, and it'll weigh more than 3500kg you'll need ................ er?  :-/

Valid point. 

He may not, but TB has and could be the driver

Also have to catch a copper on a very bad day to stop a car with valid insurance, towing a car correctly on a trailer, safley, with a driver with a license with no points, but just happends to be a couple of years too young  :-/

I wouldn't be too sure about that Tunnie.  I went on a speed awareness course last year and they made a big thing about young people towing.  

Apparently, the police have been told to keep an eye out for things like young girls towing horse boxes with Daddies Disco...

It's basically a case of not having the right licence....

But you need to bare in mind that Tunnie is always right ......... even when he doesn't know his ar$e from his elbow 

Have you finished stirring and breaking forum rules? 

but I don't make it up like some ............
You can always hit the alert mod button ........

At what point have I stated incorrect fact?

My first post:

recall if wheels are on the ground it has to be taxed at least?

Its ok if its off the ground i think  :-/

You also stated you broke the law by towing a car with no tax or MOT:

Rightly or wrongly I towed an Astra from a long way down south to home, coppers passed & didn't even give me a second glance, it had insurance but no tax or MOT. Whether they'd have acted the same if I'd been involved in an accident ...........   :-/ I just covered the tow car's reg number.  :-/

[tunnie]

Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! 

So does an Omega.

You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you  :-/

License has sod all to do with it.

Person 1) Passes their test in 1995, they can tow more than a gross weight of 3.5 ton, they had no extra training for this.

Person 2) Passes their test in 1998, they are now limited to 3.5 ton.

What training has person 1 had extra? What makes them more qualified to tow?  :-?

Older generation with full license can tow a caravan, I've seen some really awful towing by older people. They had no extra training 

[VXL V6]

Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! 

So does an Omega.

You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you  :-/

...and Towing a Horsebox with animal onboard is totally different to towing a caravan or another vehicle, think about having a glass of water on the dashboard or thinking like a bus driver has too with passengers standing up.

[VXL V6]

Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! 

So does an Omega.

You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you  :-/

License has sod all to do with it.

Person 1) Passes their test in 1995, they can tow more than a gross weight of 3.5 ton, they had no extra training for this.

Person 2) Passes their test in 1998, they are now limited to 3.5 ton.

What training has person 1 had extra? What makes them more qualified to tow?  :-?

Older generation with full license can tow a caravan, I've seen some really awful towing by older people. They had no extra training 

But they've had more experience and therefore wouldn't think this (from another thread) is acceptable:-

I've always maintained I love camping, but you can't bomb down a country twisty lane at 80mph, getting 50mpg, skip traffic jams or hold anyone up on a bike 

Now if i'm coming the other way with loaded horsebox in tow while you think it's acceptable to be doing 80 down the twisty country road then I fear you are not long for this world.

[tunnie]

But they've had more experience

Speaking from the entitlement point of view, which is lets face it red tape. Someone who passed December 1996 is going to be way more experienced than someone who passed January 1997?  :-/

Don't see how that would work....

Now if i'm coming the other way with loaded horsebox animal in tow while you think it's acceptable to be doing 80 down the twisty country road then I fear you are not long for this world.

At least 50% of people on here, will have done 80mph down an A road. Lets not get all PC here, people do 95+ on the motorway, tow untaxed cars with no MOT's, breaking the speed limit, we all break the rules

[Andy B]

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At least 50% of people on here, will have done 80mph down an A road. Lets not get all PC here, people do 95+ on the motorway, tow untaxed cars with no MOT's, breaking the speed limit, we all break the rules

or suggest it's OK to drive without the required  :-?licence ......

[Gaffers]

Handbags, ladies, handbags 

[VXL V6]

Yes I agree that most people have broken the speed limit, but you fail to see that the real problem here is that 80Mph down a twisty country road where you are highly likely to meet horseboxes or farm machinery is a surefire way to spend an afternoon at the undertakers.

As far as everyone breaking the law goes, i'm afraid that's no defence to you doing 80Mph down a country lane, ask any Police Officer if Joe Bloggs having no tax is a valid reason for you to be speeding 20Mph above the absolute maximum for such a road and I don't think that will gain you anything.

I'm not picking on you in particular (though I have used your posts to highlight the point), but sometimes it takes a reality check such as an accident before realisation sets in. I just don't want your first reality check to be under the wheels of a 4wd and Horsebox with nothing but a crash helmet to save you.....

[tunnie]

Handbags, ladies, handbags 

 

I just find it funny that AndyB likes to nit pick my posts 

I'll let him get on towing a cars without any mot or tax on the road 

[Andy B]

Handbags, ladies, handbags 

 

I just find it funny that AndyB likes to nit pick my posts 

I'll let him get on towing a cars without any mot or tax on the road 

just read from reply #40

I'm going to watch Top Gear

[TheBoy]

Horses are different, they weigh about 2ton on their own! 

So does an Omega.

You wouldn't want someone riding a bike without a licence, would you  :-/

License has sod all to do with it.

Person 1) Passes their test in 1995, they can tow more than a gross weight of 3.5 ton, they had no extra training for this.

Person 2) Passes their test in 1998, they are now limited to 3.5 ton.

What training has person 1 had extra? What makes them more qualified to tow?  :-?

Older generation with full license can tow a caravan, I've seen some really awful towing by older people. They had no extra training 

Thats the price you pay for having easier school exams


We took entirely different tests to those who who passed recently, and judged to different standards.  Whether that affects things or not cannot be proven.


To try to clarify it for you, should a 16yr old with a moped licence be allowed to ride a 900cc sports bike?  Its not his fault he's too young.

Or, my licence entitles be to drive rigid 7.5 tonne lorries.  Should I see no issue in driving an artic, or PSV?

[2woody]

this is an area which is about as grey as it can get....

some parts of the law require at least some of the wheels to be uplifted, whilst others treat the towed vehicle as a "nothing"

I get asked this a lot - the answer is very complex because you need to ferret out each of the different aspects.

in short, best not to just tow it and at least get it recovered for you.

towing dollies are at best questionable and at worst just illegal ( see the above comments )

[tunnie]

We took entirely different tests to those who who passed recently

Exactly, in the old days you just had to ride in a straight line and not fall off, people who pass bike test now cannot ride above 33 bhp until they reach 21(?)

Do you think people who pass now are better trained than 40 years ago?  :-/

Or, my licence entitles be to drive rigid 7.5 tonne lorries.  Should I see no issue in driving an artic, or PSV?

But my license says I cannot drive 7.5 ton, what extra training did you have at your driving test for this? You took same basic test I did, with same core parts.

[Lazydocker]

We took entirely different tests to those who who passed recently

Exactly, in the old days you just had to ride in a straight line and not fall off, people who pass bike test now cannot ride above 33 bhp until they reach 21(?)

Do you think people who pass now are better trained than 40 years ago?  :-/

Or, my licence entitles be to drive rigid 7.5 tonne lorries.  Should I see no issue in driving an artic, or PSV?

But my license says I cannot drive 7.5 ton, what extra training did you have at your driving test for this? You took same basic test I did, with same core parts.

And the reason they changed it to a separate test was to ensure that people were trained to do so... Same with trailer tests. At the end of the day, if you haven't got the entitlement you are breaking the law to do it