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[Phil]

And another....

The one that pretends he didn't see the lane closed ahead signs for the last three miles and then tries to push his way in just before he hits the cones

Thats cobblers, why not go the the front of the queue and merge in turn, if you did it would reduce the length of the jam, even more so if the traffic is allowed to merge in turn!!!

If your sitting a mile back in the queue and theres nothing in the outside lane all you are doing is moving the queue further down the road, and meaning itll take longer to get through the road works.

And the stupid lorries who block the lanes miles before the roadworks are even worse!

Another thing that annoys me is people who do 40 in a national speed limit zone then continue to drive through a 30 zone still doing 40!

Alas, I would have to disagree with this, as the cars have to come to a standstill to allow merge, as already at restriction.  If you're fully merged by, for example, the 800yrd marker, traffic can remain flowing through the restriction.  Any stops at restriction, will result in bigger tailback further back.

Guess who cot a City & Guilds in traffic management. And another in setting up traffic lights?

But the piont is the traffic is merging further back from the obstruction, therefore the available road area has been reduced by 1/3 causing the tail back that would be at the cones further back down hence creating a longer traffic jam. Thats just simple physics. Thats why if the outside(overtaking lane) is clear i feel fully justified to use it  
And as far as setting up traffic lights go, my new roads and streetworks act qualification means i can set up temp roadworks or supervise it being done  

[Timbuk]

And another....

The one that pretends he didn't see the lane closed ahead signs for the last three miles and then tries to push his way in just before he hits the cones

Thats cobblers, why not go the the front of the queue and merge in turn, if you did it would reduce the length of the jam, even more so if the traffic is allowed to merge in turn!!!

If your sitting a mile back in the queue and theres nothing in the outside lane all you are doing is moving the queue further down the road, and meaning itll take longer to get through the road works.

And the stupid lorries who block the lanes miles before the roadworks are even worse!

Another thing that annoys me is people who do 40 in a national speed limit zone then continue to drive through a 30 zone still doing 40!

Alas, I would have to disagree with this, as the cars have to come to a standstill to allow merge, as already at restriction.  If you're fully merged by, for example, the 800yrd marker, traffic can remain flowing through the restriction.  Any stops at restriction, will result in bigger tailback further back.

Guess who cot a City & Guilds in traffic management. And another in setting up traffic lights?

But the piont is the traffic is merging further back from the obstruction, therefore the available road area has been reduced by 1/3 causing the tail back that would be at the cones further back down hence creating a longer traffic jam. Thats just simple physics. Thats why if the outside(overtaking lane) is clear i feel fully justified to use it  
And as far as setting up traffic lights go, my new roads and streetworks act qualification means i can set up temp roadworks or supervise it being done  

 Im sticking to my guns on this one, if you use your example Phil of one lane having a one mile tailback and the other being empty, if half of these drivers moved into the empty lane you would have two lanes with a half mile tailback in each one, resulting in the same amount of traffic approaching a one lane restriction, now thats just simple physics!!!

As for the lorry drivers blocking lanes, whilst i agree with you in principal, it is probably for different reasons, this act by lorry drivers can cause problems to emergency services etc etc trying to get through roadworks. The reason why lorry drivers have resulted to doing this is, like the rest of us we are fed up with  selfish pig headed drivers trying to gain a few hundred metres over everyone else. If people were more considerate on the roads, i'm sure they wouldn't feel the need to do this,after all you have just ignored three miles of signs telling you that there is a lane closed ahead and you should move out of it !!!!!!!!!!

[JamesV6CDX]

j....... but as far as tailgaiting goes do you think that maybe you are not going fast enough, i always pull over where possible and let em off. no offence to any of ye

No, I totally disagree with this. If I am overtaking someone who is in lane 2 doing 60mph, usually a lorry and I am doing 70mph in lane 3, there is no justifyable reason for any brain dead numpty to be driving 8ft behind me. Once I have passed the lorry and gained a safe distance in front I return to lane 2 and then lane 1.

Tailgating is illegal under ALL circumstances. It is highly dangerous, irresponsible and unacceptable ever.

Trust me, I know what I am talking about here.

I totally agree with Fin, 100% - it is mindless, unexcusable and brain dead behaviour under ANY circumstances.

Just a shame the police don't do anything about it.

It should be punished as much as drink driving.

[Big Rod]

Oh and middle lane hoggin at night, many times i fly past people in the inside lane who are sitting in the middle lane, and this is not illegal if you stay in the inside lane and not move out after passing them

Are you sure about this tunnie?

There's two ways to look at it........................

(And I do appreciate that the HC's not the law!!)

1) The Highway Code states that you should stay in the furthestmost left lane as it's safe to do so until such times as you have to pull out to overtake a vehicle. You don't have to overtake if there's no-one in your way do you? And as long as you're not being stupid about it, who's to say otherwise?

2) The Highway Code states that it's permissible to undertake in queueing traffic. If lanes 2 & 3 are full of traffic doing 50 -60, then I class that as queuing and feel quite justified in using lane 1 at the maximum permissible speed!

In most cases, you'll find me, wherever possible, in lane 1 of any motorway, (unless some ignorant f-witt's blocking my access to it!!). I have to say, (and I hate using the word!), that I undertake about as many cars as I overtake. And I also have to say, that I don't do it aggressively or dangerously either!! (before you all start thinking I'm some sort of ned with a deathwish!!

[Taxi_Driver]

Minicab drivers who think they can stop where and when they want to let a fare out.

Now i should bite at this...but i wont  

Passengers usually want to be dropped why they have asked to be dropped, sometimes not in a convienent place...but hey they are paying and usually dont appreciate a 1/2 mile walk coz it wasnt convienent to stop.

What does get my goat is for example.....one of our regular pickups is disabled kids on a narrow road....you carnt expect them to walk far.....and just at the pickup its a high kerb....so i aint bumping my meega up on the pavement....so i pull up outside.....and the cars behind have to queue to get pass.....against the oncoming traffic....ive been sworn at for it....horns blown.....i just think winkers....if you knew i was picking up disabled kids you'd be a bit more patient!

I could add more.....but im not biting  

[Timbuk]

Minicab drivers who think they can stop where and when they want to let a fare out.

Now i should bite at this...but i wont  

Passengers usually want to be dropped why they have asked to be dropped, sometimes not in a convienent place...but hey they are paying and usually dont appreciate a 1/2 mile walk coz it wasnt convienent to stop.

What does get my goat is for example.....one of our regular pickups is disabled kids on a narrow road....you carnt expect them to walk far.....and just at the pickup its a high kerb....so i aint bumping my meega up on the pavement....so i pull up outside.....and the cars behind have to queue to get pass.....against the oncoming traffic....ive been sworn at for it....horns blown.....i just think winkers....if you knew i was picking up disabled kids you'd be a bit more patient!

I could add more.....but im not biting  

Why not, i just did. If youv'e got something to say TD you say it mate. You're entitled to your opinion as much as the next guy

[CaptainZok]

Minicab drivers who think they can stop where and when they want to let a fare out.

Now i should bite at this...but i wont  

Passengers usually want to be dropped why they have asked to be dropped, sometimes not in a convienent place...but hey they are paying and usually dont appreciate a 1/2 mile walk coz it wasnt convienent to stop.

What does get my goat is for example.....one of our regular pickups is disabled kids on a narrow road....you carnt expect them to walk far.....and just at the pickup its a high kerb....so i aint bumping my meega up on the pavement....so i pull up outside.....and the cars behind have to queue to get pass.....against the oncoming traffic....ive been sworn at for it....horns blown.....i just think winkers....if you knew i was picking up disabled kids you'd be a bit more patient!

I could add more.....but im not biting  

Why not, i just did. If youv'e got something to say TD you say it mate. You're entitled to your opinion as much as the next guy

Quite so Timbuk. Its a forum so we all get our chance to say our two penneth. You dont have to agree with the other guy to want to get your point of view across and I hope we are all grown up enough to listen to other viewpoints and discuss them. Go for it TD

[Paul M]

No indicators, and having the fukwit lights on. That'll be your average chav then, on both counts  

[Paul M]

There's two ways to look at it........................

(And I do appreciate that the HC's not the law!!)

1) The Highway Code states that you should stay in the furthestmost left lane as it's safe to do so until such times as you have to pull out to overtake a vehicle. You don't have to overtake if there's no-one in your way do you? And as long as you're not being stupid about it, who's to say otherwise?

2) The Highway Code states that it's permissible to undertake in queueing traffic. If lanes 2 & 3 are full of traffic doing 50 -60, then I class that as queuing and feel quite justified in using lane 1 at the maximum permissible speed!

In most cases, you'll find me, wherever possible, in lane 1 of any motorway, (unless some ignorant f-witt's blocking my access to it!!). I have to say, (and I hate using the word!), that I undertake about as many cars as I overtake. And I also have to say, that I don't do it aggressively or dangerously either!! (before you all start thinking I'm some sort of ned with a deathwish!!

Me too... I just bomb past them in the inside lane. Why the hell should I move out to lane 3 to pass, then back to lane 1, and repeat every mile or so when I get to the next retard sitting in the middle lane? I really don't get the obsession so many people in this country have with the middle lane. It amazes me driving at night with how many cars you can pass just sitting in lane 1 all the way.

I've always agreed with the principle of "no overtaking on the left" for safety reasons, but gave up a few years ago as the lane discipline is terrible so you're just contributing to the problem having to keep switching extra lanes and blocking lane 3 when it should still be free if you overtake in lane 2. After driving in the US a few times where they just use whatever lane is available, I've realised it's the best solution when people simply ignore the fundamental "keep left unless overtaking" requirement that our system requires. Therefore, I tend to use the leftmost lane that's available, and only move out to pass a car in lane 1. If there happen to be cars in lane 2 or even 3, I'm quite happy to pass them in lane 1. And I don't give a toss about what the highway code says about it, those rules only work if everyone follows them, which they clearly do not!

[RonaldMcBurger]

Oh dear. there are some very mis-informed drivers amongst us.

The highway code most certainly does NOT say it is ok to undertake ever! What it refers to is lanes of SLOW moving traffic and your lane moves a bit quicker, then maybe another lane moves a bit quicker. It does NOT imply or suggest that you change to a lane on the left to overtake - except in a one way street. Traffic moving at 50-60mph is not slow moving!

As for driving at night and you come up on someone going slower in lane 2, you MUST overtake in lane 3. It is only a matter of time before one of these drivers suddenly notices you at the last second and moves over to lane 1 to make room. then you will have a serious problem.

I agree that they can be annoying. If I am on the M1 and there are lorries doing 60mph in lane 1, I will sit in lane 2 at 70mph unless there are very long gaps between the lorries. This is because I do not want to have a car half overtake me, sit on my rear wing and thus force me to slow down just to pull out behind them to overtake another lorry! Also, as I am doing the maximum legal speed anyone wanting to go faster wants to break the law. I fail to see why I should end up being inconvenienced and forced to get boxed in just to help someone who wants to speed!

I am aware also that if I am in Lane 1 doing 70mph, I am often the slowest vehicle on the moroway and do get passed by just about everything, including Mercedes Sprinter vans! As a guess I would think that the majority of car drivers do about 85mph on the motorway.

As a PDI I do not have the desire to get endorsements. I need my license. I regard myself as an extremely good driver, but unlike most other drivers who think likeewise I have had my beliefs confirmed by the DSA who agree that I am an expert driver.

Don't get me wrong here guys. If some idiot in a BMW or Audi (usual culprits) wants to fly up behind me at 120mph, I am not staying where they may collide with me. I am able to get people to drop back safely or force them to overtake me without them even realising it. I do not get into gestures, sudden braking, hazard flashing or any of that stuff. I also have never had an accident in 26 years of driving!

[Big Rod]

Oh dear. there are some very mis-informed drivers amongst us.

Y'think?

The highway code most certainly does NOT say it is ok to undertake ever! What it refers to is lanes of SLOW moving traffic and your lane moves a bit quicker, then maybe another lane moves a bit quicker. It does NOT imply or suggest that you change to a lane on the left to overtake - except in a one way street. Traffic moving at 50-60mph is not slow moving!

Fair enough Fin', I chose my words badly. I must say that I do not intentionally change lanes to undertake at all!! I change lanes to adopt the correct lane. However! Are you saying that should I be travelling in lane 1 at 70 MPH, (give or take, we all know speedos can be out by a fair bit sometimes dependant on tyre wear and even atmospheric conditions), and there're vehicles in lanes 2 & 3 travelling slower than that, that I should adjust my speed to match theirs? Or even change lanes to join the flocks of sheep?

As for driving at night and you come up on someone going slower in lane 2, you MUST overtake in lane 3. It is only a matter of time before one of these drivers suddenly notices you at the last second and moves over to lane 1 to make room. then you will have a serious problem.

The way I see it, if they haven't noticed the courtesy flashes I give them when approaching, then they're never going to notice me..........ever! In the event I do pass someone on the left, it's always done in as safe a manner as possible.

I agree that they can be annoying. If I am on the M1 and there are lorries doing 60mph in lane 1, I will sit in lane 2 at 70mph unless there are very long gaps between the lorries. This is because I do not want to have a car half overtake me, sit on my rear wing and thus force me to slow down just to pull out behind them to overtake another lorry! Also, as I am doing the maximum legal speed anyone wanting to go faster wants to break the law. I fail to see why I should end up being inconvenienced and forced to get boxed in just to help someone who wants to speed!

I've had this debate a million times and no matter how many times I have it, it always comes down to one thing. KEEP LEFT UNLESS OVERTAKING!!! If it's safe to retire to lane 1 then you should END OF!! All you're doing in that situation Fin' is fighting fire with fire and causing yet more congestion!!

As a PDI I do not have the desire to get endorsements. I need my license. I regard myself as an extremely good driver, but unlike most other drivers who think likeewise I have had my beliefs confirmed by the DSA who agree that I am an expert driver.

No offence Fin', but I've met some driving instructors with some fairly warped views on the rules of the road!! Including one that said that if he was driving at or above the posted speed limit that he would intentionally stay in lane 3 because no-one should be driving faster than that anyway and therefore he shouldn't have to move over!! I had to leave!!

[Taxi_Driver]

I did hear that overtaking on the inside was gonna be made legal.....tho not sure how many years off this would be.

I agree with Ron about pulling over and then getting yourself boxed in and having to slow down....this happens to me many times and annoys me.

Also I dont mind if say im in the 3rd lane and someone creeps pass me in lane 2....coz lane two is moving faster than lane 3..and stays in lane 2...what does annoy me....and why isnt they're an unmarked plod car about when.....im sitting in lane 3 in traffic doing say 60mph and some winker comes screaming past in lane 2 then coz he carnt get another further in lane 2 jumps into lane 3 in front of me filling the two car gap that i had left (for safety) causing me to brake and drop back to another two car gap. Sometimes if i see them coming....i close the gap up a bit so they carnt change lanes in front of me....but i dont really like doing it as it compromises my safety zone!

[Big Rod]

what does annoy me....and why isnt they're an unmarked plod car about when.....im sitting in lane 3 in traffic doing say 60mph and some winker comes screaming past in lane 2 then coz he carnt get another further in lane 2 jumps into lane 3 in front of me filling the two car gap that i had left (for safety) causing me to brake and drop back to another two car gap. Sometimes if i see them coming....i close the gap up a bit so they carnt change lanes in front of me....but i dont really like doing it as it compromises my safety zone!

The fact that the so called 'winker' can pass you on the LHS at all means that you're not using the road properly in the first place! I think in this case you're the pot and the 'winker's the kettle.

I'm also fairly sure that a 30 - 35 foot gap isn't a safe distance to be travelling behind the car in front of you at 60 MPH!!

[Taxi_Driver]

what does annoy me....and why isnt they're an unmarked plod car about when.....im sitting in lane 3 in traffic doing say 60mph and some winker comes screaming past in lane 2 then coz he carnt get another further in lane 2 jumps into lane 3 in front of me filling the two car gap that i had left (for safety) causing me to brake and drop back to another two car gap. Sometimes if i see them coming....i close the gap up a bit so they carnt change lanes in front of me....but i dont really like doing it as it compromises my safety zone!

The fact that the so called 'winker' can pass you on the LHS at all means that you're not using the road properly in the first place! I think in this case you're the pot and the 'winker's the kettle.

I'm also fairly sure that a 30 - 35 foot gap isn't a safe distance to be travelling behind the car in front of you at 60 MPH!!

Ummm no its not me....how can i go faster in lane 3 if im held up with cars in front of me....should i pull over to lane 2 then and go even slower?? Maybe its the car further up the queue not using the road correctly

Two car gap is perfectly safe in my eyes......i dont mean to the exact foot....i mean 2 cars could easily fit in the gap i leave......unlike the majority......more like 12 feet!

[tunnie]

About the overtaking on the inside on a motorway.... a very nice Policeman told me it was legal

At night on the M40, its gets very empty. If you are doing 80 ish in the inside lane, for about 10 mins, then approach someone sitting in the middle lane doing 70. If you then stay in your lane and pass them, and continue on in the inside lane is fine.

Whats illegal, is if your sitting beind someone in the middle lane, then pull into the inside lane to undertake and then pull back into the middle lane again, thats illegal.

Sometimes i find moving out into the outside lane is more dangerous, as the m40 at night is a very, very fast road. You have many people doing 100 in that lane, and I rarely go above 90