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[Entwood]

Done 500+ miles in 2 days without a hitch, this morning the beast just won't start ...  turns over fine but nothing happens .. no EML flashing (immoblisor seems ok) ... paperclip test gives 12, 31 ..which I believe is normal for a non-running V6.

Not allowed to start messing at the moment as we have to leave to deliver pressies 40 miles away ... fun in the clit .. NOT .. hopefully will be able to check for a spark before it gets dark ... but as I can't get any spares for 3 days I guess I'm stumped anyway ....


Ideas anyone ..... ??

[JamesV6CDX]

Initial thought is crank sensor, but I'd have expected a code.

Cambelt ok?  

[Andy B]

Done 500+ miles in 2 days without a hitch, this morning the beast just won't start ...  turns over fine but nothing happens .. no EML flashing (immoblisor seems ok) ... paperclip test gives 12, 31 ..which I believe is normal for a non-running V6.

Not allowed to start messing at the moment as we have to leave to deliver pressies 40 miles away ... fun in the clit .. NOT .. hopefully will be able to check for a spark before it gets dark ... but as I can't get any spares for 3 days I guess I'm stumped anyway ....


Ideas anyone ..... ??

Has it been started and moved a couple of feet - to let another car out of a drive - and then stopped while it was still on 'choke'? A common occurance around Christmas time.

[JamesV6CDX]

Try cranking it at WOT..

[Marks DTM Calib]

Try cranking it with a small amount of throttle to start......cranking at WOT will stop the injectors firing which may help if its thought to be flooded.

[Entwood]

Andy B ... it has not moved since we got home last night after 500+ miles in 2 days without a hitch ..

James ... WOT makes no difference

Mark ... Partial throttle makes no difference

The only thing I noticed.. which may not be new.. just I noticed it ... on initial rotation on the starter the rev counter is "flicking" to about 1000 rpm momentarily then "wobbles" just off the stop whilst the engine turns on the starter motor.

As the only "fault" is no RPM signal.. sensible when engine stopped .. could it also be no RPM signal when trying to run ?? If this is so then its possibly a crank sensor

Next problem is ... when do stealers re-open ?? I'm tempted to just go for a crank sensor and hope ... especially as I'm supposed to be using the beast to tow the 'van for our New Year holiday away !!  

Any other ideas very gratefully accepted .. especially if you know how to fix a suspect sensor on a temporary basis !!!  

[JamesV6CDX]

No way of fixing a hall sensor, I'm afraid...

[Bandit127]

How about Wiggle The Wire!

Accepted wisdom is that it is the wire more often than the sensor. It didn't fix my 2.0 completely but Wiggle The Wire took a cutout every 20 miles or so out to once in a blue moon. Not ideal for towing the family holiday with but you might find a sweet spot then you can tie wrap it up?

Jim

[Entwood]

Bandit .. good idea ... perhaps ...!!  

I'll try tomorrow in day light ..if it gets it going on a temp basis its worth it ..

Thanks  

[Missy_MV6]

Done 500+ miles in 2 days without a hitch, this morning the beast just won't start ...  turns over fine but nothing happens .. no EML flashing (immoblisor seems ok) ... paperclip test gives 12, 31 ..which I believe is normal for a non-running V6.

Not allowed to start messing at the moment as we have to leave to deliver pressies 40 miles away ... fun in the clit .. NOT .. hopefully will be able to check for a spark before it gets dark ... but as I can't get any spares for 3 days I guess I'm stumped anyway ....


Ideas anyone ..... ??

Has it been started and moved a couple of feet - to let another car out of a drive - and then stopped while it was still on 'choke'? A common occurance around Christmas time.

That happened to us with our Carlton Gsi

[Entwood]

Update ... No spark .. and "Wiggle the Wire" - well as much as I can reach for the crank sensor - has made no difference.

As I have no fault codes is it likely to be the crank sensor ?? I would sort of expect some stored 19 code (he said sounding knowledgeable .. actually I've read so many threads on site my eyes are bulging !! )

Other area is DIS pack but that was replaced 20,000 miles ago ....

How do I differentiate between the 2 ?

I'm hoping the stealers are open 27th and that I get the right parts first time, due to holiday on 28th ...

so any advice readily and willingly listened to !!

[markrl]

I would use the time before the Parts department opens and you commit your cash on a hunch to going through all the simple stuff like fuses (in the fusebox and engine bay) and checking everything is physically connected. I bet this will turn out to be something quite silly like a fuel pump relay, fuse or something coming loose. I take it your not an RAC/AA member?  

[Entwood]

Todays efforts ..  Passenger side plugs drowning in oil .. so in the process of doing the rocker gaskets.. luckily I had them ready to do in the new year along with the breather clean stuff.

2 questions ...

1. Guide says to remove the cable carrier and place to one side as shown ....  who wrote that .. Haynes ??    Just how the hell do you get it out of the way !

2. Would one side drowning in oil be enough to stop the thing starting .. I don't see why I got no spark on the drivers side front.. which is the plug I checked ?

All advice gratefuly accepted .. I'll do the drivers side cover now and check back for answers to Q1  ... eventually !

[JamesV6CDX]

That wouldn't stop all plugs firing - I still think there's either a crank sensor problem, a DIS problem, or a fault with the wiring to it.

Have you checked your fuses too?

[Marks DTM Calib]

I assume the battery is well charged......the dials jumping sudgests otherwise.