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[JamesV6CDX]

What's the future hold for LPG then? Will it always remain much cheaper than petrol? Because of environmental benefits maybe?

Almost worried that I'll convert, and then all of a sudden the prices will rise so much there was no point!

[Nickbat]

What's the future hold for LPG then? Will it always remain much cheaper than petrol? Because of environmental benefits maybe?

Almost worried that I'll convert, and then all of a sudden the prices will rise so much there was no point!

It will clearly rise over time in line the oil price, but the rate of duty is much lower and I would be surprised if it was raised to the equivalent level of petrol duty. But who knows with this lot?  

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[miggy]

What's the future hold for LPG then? Will it always remain much cheaper than petrol? Because of environmental benefits maybe?

Almost worried that I'll convert, and then all of a sudden the prices will rise so much there was no point!

I should imagine and would almost certanly say it will eventually go up in price, i remember other cheap fuel grades being cheap due to the environmental benefits, but that soon caught up with the other grades of fuel.

It will go up IMHO

[JamesV6CDX]

Ok then, so, hypothetically speaking...if fuel duty was aboloshed...

How easy would be be to fill the tank off a calor bottle?    

I'm not sure they could "dip" an LPG tank!

[JamesV6CDX]

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Ah yes, so there is.

Pm Pending!

[hotel21]

Think back to diesel and its rise in popularity.....

Once upon a time it was somewhere near 25 pence a litre cheaper than leaded/unleaded then HMG realised that lots of peeps were buying it to use in their cars 'cos it was cheaper and they were getting less revenue.....

Enter - Da Chance Seller - who taxed it beyond beleif until it was dearer than unleaded....

LPG is the new kid on the garage block, but is about to enter secondary school or some form of further education...

My guess is that it will get humped and the tax/price rise will make it untenable for general consumption....

[Ken T]

I seem to remember that the Gov said that LPG will be below petrol by 50p for some time, 2012 ?. Also, re filling tanks from other sources, there are several people who sell LPG pumps. I got a guide on conerting to LPG, and it was "suggested" that you get a large tank installed for your central heating (obviously!) and you can get a small LPG pump that would be capable of refilling a car tank, although you must not do this, of course, because the Gov would not get their duty. I don't think LPG is marked in any way, unlike red diesel.
Ken

[Kevin Wood]

Undoubtedly it will rise once the potential tax take gets too tempting.

However, ask yourself if you can make a saving between now and then. We know there's another 4p or so to go onto petrol tax in the next year or two. Payback times for an LPG conversion are going to be pretty quick for a V6 Omega owner. Once you've saved money on it, it was the right decision.

I considered converting my last car 8 years ago but didn't for this very reason.

Kevin

[Paul M]

Outside the areas in and around London, the uptake has been pretty slow. So I doubt the government are going to make any major changes soon, seeing as they won't get much benefit due to the small number of LPG vehicles, and the uproar it would cause when people who have just paid £2000 on a conversion realise that they're not going to make that back.

I'd say the congestion charge exemption is far more at risk, as that really is a huge saving to be made for people who drive into the city regularly. It obviously works, you just need to look at the concentration of LPG cars for sale within travelling distance of London compared to the rest of the UK.

PS I remember this debate coming up on some forum about 4 or 5 years ago, and if anything the price differential has widened since then!

[Martin_1962]

The word is Transfer Pump (2 actually) and the phrases are

"There is no difference between heating gas and autogas"
"You cannot dip a presurised vessel"
"Propane would be flared off at the rigs if people didn't buy it"

[Craig_R]

There is one big difference you have to be careful of with Gas from a bottle is it is dirty.
You get alot more muck in a calor gas bottle than you do at the pumps so make sure its filtered before going into the car.

I did some checking on this and you can get electric pumps but the kind i have seen on ebay are a little iffy to say the least.
you can get a foot or hand pump to fill the car and i have been told it take about 15 or more mins to fill a 75 litre tank depending on how fit you are.

A 95kg bottle of Propane will roughly fill a 75 litre tank 2.5 times if i remember rightly that Propane is about 1/2 kg in weight for a Litre

[Jay w]

this was one reason for me not getting my conversion done earlier, and paying the price in higher patrol prices  

if.....and that's potentially a big IF LPG remains approx 50% of petrol then that would mean petrol would have to be say at £2 a litre   i can't see that happening without somoe form of mass complaint.

[Martin_1962]

It hit £1/gallon grumbles

50p/l moans
£1/l where is the protests, I used to fill my moped for about 40p!!!!

[Jay w]

There is one big difference you have to be careful of with Gas from a bottle is it is dirty.
You get alot more muck in a calor gas bottle than you do at the pumps so make sure its filtered before going into the car.

I did some checking on this and you can get electric pumps but the kind i have seen on ebay are a little iffy to say the least.
you can get a foot or hand pump to fill the car and i have been told it take about 15 or more mins to fill a 75 litre tank depending on how fit you are.
A 95kg bottle of Propane will roughly fill a 75 litre tank 2.5 times if i remember rightly that Propane is about 1/2 kg in weight for a Litre

so you keep fit and get cheap fuel......result   [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

[Craig_R]

Hummm I think 15 mins was a little short just read an ebay ad for a hand pump and he says 15mins to transfer a 15kg bottle thats only 30litre so it looks like it would be 45 odd mins to fill a 75litre tank