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[Markie]

Easy. Set our teacher free, or will wipe your country off the map  

Fraid those days are gone. We couldn't muster more than a few hundred soldiers now, and theyd have the wrong kit.

You would be supprised, the BRITISH army is STILL and always will be something that cannot be p"ssed about with. remember the argies

Poorly equipped, baby-faced conscripts. And we only just got away with that.

Totally take exception at that, i was there and belive me they were not poorly equipped, and we won the conflict by a massive margine, and baby faced or not, they could fight a good fight, and not only that, i was baby faced also, absolutly terrified, as we all were but we did the job as trained to do so.

 

guys lets calm down. The British forces always have been and always will be first class in every respect. I think the point is they get no support from the goverment - which is shocking.

Now lets get back to how we rescue teacher and teddy  

[STMO123]

We were sent into Theatres that were very dangerous, and had to make comprimises, still we are one of the best trained Armys in the world.

Its just no good if the Government do things Half hearted, just to please their Friends over the Lake

Exactly Steve, but only part of the problem. We are trained in the age old British army way which is fantastic with reguards to sticking together as a fighting unit etc. But you cannot operate as a fighting force in arenas where you dont know your enemy. We failed in NI and we're failing in Iraq. Afghanistan is a bit different because, out there in the desert, it's just you and them. Also, successive governments have always tried to fight on the cheap.

Impossible odds to overcome.

[miggy]

Easy. Set our teacher free, or will wipe your country off the map  

Fraid those days are gone. We couldn't muster more than a few hundred soldiers now, and theyd have the wrong kit.

You would be supprised, the BRITISH army is STILL and always will be something that cannot be p"ssed about with. remember the argies

Poorly equipped, baby-faced conscripts. And we only just got away with that.

Totally take exception at that, i was there and belive me they were not poorly equipped, and we won the conflict by a massive margine, and baby faced or not, they could fight a good fight, and not only that, i was baby faced also, absolutly terrified, as we all were but we did the job as trained to do so.

 

guys lets calm down. The British forces always have been and always will be first class in every respect. I think the point is they get no support from the goverment - which is shocking.

Now lets get back to how we rescue teacher and teddy  

Nothing to calm down about, i just took exception to the remark as an ex Falklands veteran, i was there and know what i am saying to be spot on, its not right making out as though we were fighting school kids using bow and arrows
   

[STMO123]

Easy. Set our teacher free, or will wipe your country off the map  

Fraid those days are gone. We couldn't muster more than a few hundred soldiers now, and theyd have the wrong kit.

You would be supprised, the BRITISH army is STILL and always will be something that cannot be p"ssed about with. remember the argies

Poorly equipped, baby-faced conscripts. And we only just got away with that.

Totally take exception at that, i was there and belive me they were not poorly equipped, and we won the conflict by a massive margine, and baby faced or not, they could fight a good fight, and not only that, i was baby faced also, absolutly terrified, as we all were but we did the job as trained to do so.

 

I dont want to take anything away friom you guys Pete. I am eternally grateful that people like you go out and put your life on the line for your country. But, if you remember the post I answered, It was about swaggering halfway across the world to sort out some tinpot country. It just cannot be done any more, and, whilst I know of your sacrifice in the Falklands, if the Argies had got hold of the exocets they wanted, it would have been all over. We won the war, NOT the battles, by political subterfuge.

[Crazydad]

We were sent into Theatres that were very dangerous, and had to make comprimises, still we are one of the best trained Armys in the world.

Its just no good if the Government do things Half hearted, just to please their Friends over the Lake

Exactly Steve, but only part of the problem. We are trained in the age old British army way which is fantastic with reguards to sticking together as a fighting unit etc. But you cannot operate as a fighting force in arenas where you dont know your enemy. 1,We failed in NI and we're failing in Iraq. Afghanistan is a bit different because, out there in the desert, it's just you and them. Also, successive 2,governments have always tried to fight on the cheap.

Impossible odds to overcome.

I wish i could dissagree with you, but unfortunatly you are right in what you are saying,

I was in NI a few times starting out in 1982, we were only there  as the government were not able to pull their fingers out, i lost a few very good friends there, all this could have been avoided.
It wasnt Blairs Genius that sorted that out.

Irak was even worse, we didnt only have to fight the enemy, but the Americans too, they thought it was a rather shooting range.
We went out there with  completely the wrong equiptment, and everything fell apart.
Intel was absolutely shit, and that too cost lives.

[cem_devecioglu]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1294365,00.html

 

You can actually see it happening in this country too...

as much you go east on the map stupidity level increase in square sums..    Theres no logical explanation for why is like that..( I know why but long story)

Theres much worser regions believe me..

Better I dont talk  

[STMO123]

I think I upset Pete. I've sent him a PM

[Crazydad]

I think I upset Pete. I've sent him a PM

Yes i noticed the post, perhaps a bit much for him, :-/

 Never the less your not wrong on your point of view, we were drawn very thin in the Falklands, because we were so far away from home, and if the Argies had recieved the weapons they wanted then we would have had many more casualties.
Come on Pete, itīs only a discussion

[cem_devecioglu]

Just a thought. We complain like mad when foreigners come to this country and break our laws and get away with it.

This person has gone to work in a foreign country and has broken one of their laws. Whether we think the law is just or not, it is their law. Why should we be surprised that she has been arrested and will have the force of the law of the land brought down upon her?

Now, I don't agree with their laws or how they are applied, but as the saying goes, 'When in Rome....'.

sorry Golfbody but
using lashes are not a kind of justice.. This is real terror left from ancient times ..And who is using also have the head 'ANCIENT' or prehistoric  

Believe me 40 lashes can kill a human !

[STMO123]

All of this sounds terrible, BUT, there's a woman in Saudi who was raped in a car. She's about to get TWO HUNDRED lashes for being in the car with a male not related to her.

[Crazydad]

All of this sounds terrible, BUT, there's a woman in Saudi who was raped in a car. She's about to get TWO HUNDRED lashes for being in the car with a male not related to her.

This is starting to get Disgusting

[cem_devecioglu]

All of this sounds terrible, BUT, there's a woman in Saudi who was raped in a car. She's about to get TWO HUNDRED lashes for being in the car with a male not related to her.

yep..A very bad story..Thanks god things like that dont happen in my country..If the man who will give the punishment will complete this number even he cares to be carefull I dont think she can survive..Disgusting..I would say too many but necessary I shut my mouth  

[Crazydad]

All of this sounds terrible, BUT, there's a woman in Saudi who was raped in a car. She's about to get TWO HUNDRED lashes for being in the car with a male not related to her.

yep..A very bad story..Thanks god things like that dont happen in my country..If the man who will give the punishment will complete this number even he cares to be carefull I dont think she can survive..Disgusting..I would say too many but necessary I shut my mouth  

Am i understanding you correctly, are you Honestly saying that this is necessary??

[cem_devecioglu]

a man who doesnt work and have enormous money from petroleum and dont know wash self what you will tell  

[cem_devecioglu]

All of this sounds terrible, BUT, there's a woman in Saudi who was raped in a car. She's about to get TWO HUNDRED lashes for being in the car with a male not related to her.

yep..A very bad story..Thanks god things like that dont happen in my country..If the man who will give the punishment will complete this number even he cares to be carefull I dont think she can survive..Disgusting..I would say too many but necessary I shut my mouth  

Am i understanding you correctly, are you Honestly saying that this is necessary??

this is a subject of religion..When you talk its claimed that you say bad things to them and yep I have the same identity at least on the paper !