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[TheBoy]

I personaly suspect that it would never be spotted on an MOT test and if you actualy went out your way to maintain the lights it would still be safer than one hell of a lot of the cars out there!

exatly mark mot tester will not pick it up and would make a hell of a difference to candle power !!! how many cars are running around with only one headlight working !!!

Not when they are dirty  

Washer systems are a legal requirement for a reason, I have hids on the 3.0 and it been dry for a few days, so not washed the windscreen.

Noticed my lights where not very good driving back one night (about the same as my halogens on the 2.2)

Quick wash.... and WOW... the difference!! Light output increased at least 60%

HID's are bloody usless without a washer system due to the nature of the type of light.

Spoken by somebody who has no clue about light clearly....

So, exectly what is the difference between incandescent lamp light and discharge lamp light? Can you actualy state what part of the spectrum is being affected by the crudd?

My view is this.....I cant see an insurance assessor even bothering about a well installed HID kit.

A well maintained HID light is going to be better than a poorly maintained incandescent lamp in ALL scenarios.

And no matter how you look at it.....if it stops more people driving round with front fogs on because the front controlled light output is better, then it can only be a good thing....

With insurance companies seemingly trying to find more and more excuses to to pay out, that would be my biggest concern.

I have to agree with tunnie, HID lights are more adversely affected by even the slightest film of crud on the lenses than halogens.  Not sure if its the shorter wavelength or the way in which its produced, but it is badly affected.

Not sure why the legal bits surrounding washers are in place, whether for the reduced light output or if it causes some kind of glare to oncoming drivers, or both  :-/


Not sure giving everyone HIDs would prevent the chavs from having idiotlights on all the time either  :-/ - in most cases they dont help much anyway...

[tunnie]

I personaly suspect that it would never be spotted on an MOT test and if you actualy went out your way to maintain the lights it would still be safer than one hell of a lot of the cars out there!

exatly mark mot tester will not pick it up and would make a hell of a difference to candle power !!! how many cars are running around with only one headlight working !!!

Not when they are dirty  

Washer systems are a legal requirement for a reason, I have hids on the 3.0 and it been dry for a few days, so not washed the windscreen.

Noticed my lights where not very good driving back one night (about the same as my halogens on the 2.2)

Quick wash.... and WOW... the difference!! Light output increased at least 60%

HID's are bloody usless without a washer system due to the nature of the type of light.

Spoken by somebody who has no clue about light clearly....

So, exectly what is the difference between incandescent lamp light and discharge lamp light? Can you actualy state what part of the spectrum is being affected by the crudd?

My view is this.....I cant see an insurance assessor even bothering about a well installed HID kit.

A well maintained HID light is going to be better than a poorly maintained incandescent lamp in ALL scenarios.

And no matter how you look at it.....if it stops more people driving round with front fogs on because the front controlled light output is better, then it can only be a good thing....

I have 2 Omegas, one with HID's one with out.

Drive the one with HID's if you don't wash the lights, they go crapper than the one without HIDs. The Halogeons in my 2.2 are not affect as much when dirty.

'dangle berries' to science.

[cem_devecioglu]

cant shut my mouth any more

aftermarket kits here on the road are increasing in number

enormously ..

they dont catch your eye badly from the mirror like the original

lights even if they are not aligned properly..


I passed whole winter with after market HID kits in rain,snow,fog..

in every condition even if they are dirty they are much better than the

original omega lights..and I never regret, I pay too much money on

them..

[tunnie]

I personaly suspect that it would never be spotted on an MOT test and if you actualy went out your way to maintain the lights it would still be safer than one hell of a lot of the cars out there!

exatly mark mot tester will not pick it up and would make a hell of a difference to candle power !!! how many cars are running around with only one headlight working !!!

Not when they are dirty  

Washer systems are a legal requirement for a reason, I have hids on the 3.0 and it been dry for a few days, so not washed the windscreen.

Noticed my lights where not very good driving back one night (about the same as my halogens on the 2.2)

Quick wash.... and WOW... the difference!! Light output increased at least 60%

HID's are bloody usless without a washer system due to the nature of the type of light.

Spoken by somebody who has no clue about light clearly....

So, exectly what is the difference between incandescent lamp light and discharge lamp light? Can you actualy state what part of the spectrum is being affected by the crudd?

My view is this.....I cant see an insurance assessor even bothering about a well installed HID kit.

A well maintained HID light is going to be better than a poorly maintained incandescent lamp in ALL scenarios.

And no matter how you look at it.....if it stops more people driving round with front fogs on because the front controlled light output is better, then it can only be a good thing....

Thats the whole bloody point, everything is fantastic when they are clean, but when dirty they are worse than halogens with the same amount of dirt.

[Marks DTM Calib]

I personaly suspect that it would never be spotted on an MOT test and if you actualy went out your way to maintain the lights it would still be safer than one hell of a lot of the cars out there!

exatly mark mot tester will not pick it up and would make a hell of a difference to candle power !!! how many cars are running around with only one headlight working !!!

Not when they are dirty  

Washer systems are a legal requirement for a reason, I have hids on the 3.0 and it been dry for a few days, so not washed the windscreen.

Noticed my lights where not very good driving back one night (about the same as my halogens on the 2.2)

Quick wash.... and WOW... the difference!! Light output increased at least 60%

HID's are bloody usless without a washer system due to the nature of the type of light.

Spoken by somebody who has no clue about light clearly....

So, exectly what is the difference between incandescent lamp light and discharge lamp light? Can you actualy state what part of the spectrum is being affected by the crudd?

My view is this.....I cant see an insurance assessor even bothering about a well installed HID kit.

A well maintained HID light is going to be better than a poorly maintained incandescent lamp in ALL scenarios.

And no matter how you look at it.....if it stops more people driving round with front fogs on because the front controlled light output is better, then it can only be a good thing....

Thats the whole bloody point, everything is fantastic when they are clean, but when dirty they are worse than halogens with the same amount of dirt.

You are not able to compare... facelift and pre-facelift setup is to different.

And crudd will block light, not disperse it.

Reality is that the worst thing for dispersing the light will be rain and that will happen if you have headlight washers or not...

I have a suspicion that the under lying reason why self leveling and washers are mandatory is because its something the safety people have been pushing for for quite some time......and HID's was a convenient technology to introduce it on!

[barclay03]

lol nice little debate

can anyone confirm the bulb fitment? trying to find it myself but seem to be rather bad today :lol: ive seen both H1 and H7 quoted

[TheBoy]

You are not able to compare... facelift and pre-facelift setup is to different.


I have a suspicion that the under lying reason why self leveling and washers are mandatory is because its something the safety people have been pushing for for quite some time......and HID's was a convenient technology to introduce it on!

Whilst different, I wouldn't say drastically different to have a huge difference - similar shaped lens, same bulbs I believe (and being projector, no reflectors to make a noticible difference)  :-/

Problem with levelling, on a halogen car, if you look directly into the light, its pretty bright. Do same on a HID, and its like looking into a camera flash (similar tech I guess?), and you'll be blinded for a second or 2 - anyone who's had a gatso go off in their face at night with nothing around will know exactly what I mean.  The levelling helps keep the lights at the right angle should it be loaded up a bit, and (on new cars) fast enough to mostly deal with bumps.

As to washers - we all know how bad our halogens are at the moment with this 'november' type grim being kicked up from the tarmac.  It affects them, and light output goes down significantly.  With HIDs, no idea why, but light output goes down to what I would class dangerous levels very quickly, to the point that I am washing the lights rather than the windscreen.  I have never had to clean headlights so much as I've had to with the 2 HID based cars I've owned - I'd say after a motorway trip this time of year, the lights are on par with pre 98 Omegas....

[VXL V6]

....light output goes down to what I would class dangerous levels very quickly, to the point that I am washing the lights rather than the windscreen.  I have never had to clean headlights so much as I've had to with the 2 HID based cars I've owned - I'd say after a motorway trip this time of year, the lights are on par with pre 98 Omegas....

It's quite amazing how quickly you can use 6.7 Litres of washer fluid when you have HID's!

[cem_devecioglu]

unless theres a wiper the washers dont clean nothin :-/

[mantahatch]

If I may add my 2 cents worth, was followed by a porsce the other day with HID's obviously the adjuster system was stuck or not fitted. It annoyed the hell out of me and oncoming drivers everytime he went over a bump.
Also could be very dangerous approaching a junction as someone could be mistaken for thinking he was being flashed to pull out.
I no you should not pull out when someone flashes you but people do.

[TheBoy]

If I may add my 2 cents worth, was followed by a porsce the other day with HID's obviously the adjuster system was stuck or not fitted. It annoyed the hell out of me and oncoming drivers everytime he went over a bump.
Also could be very dangerous approaching a junction as someone could be mistaken for thinking he was being flashed to pull out.
I no you should not pull out when someone flashes you but people do.

Being a biker, I am all too well aware!


I wonder if the Porsche had HID retrofit

[cem_devecioglu]

I think auto levelers must be used in every car indendepent of their

type of light..As standard yellowish light is much more pain for the eye

than the blue HIDs..

And personally I prefer everybody got even aftermarket HIDs,

much better than not seeing in front of the nose..

[mantahatch]

If I may add my 2 cents worth, was followed by a porsce the other day with HID's obviously the adjuster system was stuck or not fitted. It annoyed the hell out of me and oncoming drivers everytime he went over a bump.
Also could be very dangerous approaching a junction as someone could be mistaken for thinking he was being flashed to pull out.
I no you should not pull out when someone flashes you but people do.

Being a biker, I am all too well aware!


I wonder if the Porsche had HID retrofit

I supect they where retrofit or he had a message on the dashboard saying there was a fault. I did raise the rear blind and did not take notice of the reg number to see how old it was.

Mike

[dejongj]

I personaly suspect that it would never be spotted on an MOT test and if you actualy went out your way to maintain the lights it would still be safer than one hell of a lot of the cars out there!

exatly mark mot tester will not pick it up and would make a hell of a difference to candle power !!! how many cars are running around with only one headlight working !!!

Not when they are dirty  

Washer systems are a legal requirement for a reason, I have hids on the 3.0 and it been dry for a few days, so not washed the windscreen.

Noticed my lights where not very good driving back one night (about the same as my halogens on the 2.2)

Quick wash.... and WOW... the difference!! Light output increased at least 60%

HID's are bloody usless without a washer system due to the nature of the type of light.

Spoken by somebody who has no clue about light clearly....

So, exectly what is the difference between incandescent lamp light and discharge lamp light? Can you actualy state what part of the spectrum is being affected by the crudd?

My view is this.....I cant see an insurance assessor even bothering about a well installed HID kit.

A well maintained HID light is going to be better than a poorly maintained incandescent lamp in ALL scenarios.

And no matter how you look at it.....if it stops more people driving round with front fogs on because the front controlled light output is better, then it can only be a good thing....

Please please please make certain they are adjusted properly, if I am blinded by those stupid aftermarket systems without levelling on them and have a crash I'll make certain to tell the opposite insurance assessor what to look for.

Whilst lights are to see, they are even more so there to be seen. That does not mean to blind other people. To see yourself better is easy, slow down! It is amazing what can be seen at a slower speed....

Both our cars have the official system on it, and admittedly it is annoying that the levelling system constantly adjusts them and especially going down a hill you don't shine far ahead at all with official HIDs....Aftermarket ones seem to beam up batman's signal...

[HerefordElite]

I personaly suspect that it would never be spotted on an MOT test and if you actualy went out your way to maintain the lights it would still be safer than one hell of a lot of the cars out there!

exatly mark mot tester will not pick it up and would make a hell of a difference to candle power !!! how many cars are running around with only one headlight working !!!

Not when they are dirty  

Washer systems are a legal requirement for a reason, I have hids on the 3.0 and it been dry for a few days, so not washed the windscreen.

Noticed my lights where not very good driving back one night (about the same as my halogens on the 2.2)

Quick wash.... and WOW... the difference!! Light output increased at least 60%

HID's are bloody usless without a washer system due to the nature of the type of light.

Spoken by somebody who has no clue about light clearly....

So, exectly what is the difference between incandescent lamp light and discharge lamp light? Can you actualy state what part of the spectrum is being affected by the crudd?

My view is this.....I cant see an insurance assessor even bothering about a well installed HID kit.

A well maintained HID light is going to be better than a poorly maintained incandescent lamp in ALL scenarios.

And no matter how you look at it.....if it stops more people driving round with front fogs on because the front controlled light output is better, then it can only be a good thing....

Please please please make certain they are adjusted properly, if I am blinded by those stupid aftermarket systems without levelling on them and have a crash I'll make certain to tell the opposite insurance assessor what to look for.

Whilst lights are to see, they are even more so there to be seen. That does not mean to blind other people. To see yourself better is easy, slow down! It is amazing what can be seen at a slower speed....

Both our cars have the official system on it, and admittedly it is annoying that the levelling system constantly adjusts them and especially going down a hill you don't shine far ahead at all with official HIDs....Aftermarket ones seem to beam up batman's signal...

Slow down??? you've obviously never driven a pre 98 omega then  - i'd need a man walking infront of me with a lantern if i went any slower