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[Dishevelled Den]

  dont know why I'm reading this thread with satisfaction 

I wonder why.

[cem_devecioglu]

  dont know why I'm reading this thread with satisfaction 

I wonder why.

 

[Rods2]

  dont know why I'm reading this thread with satisfaction 

Probably for the same reasons we will if the French default 

[Nickbat]

I bet no one saw that coming. Greek PM to have a referendum but the actual question to be put to the people has not yet been framed. Could be Do you want a big fat pension, early retiring age and phantom government jobs? YES /NO or maybe You think you are poor now, tick this box to become even poorer while the rich remain largely unaffected YES/NO

All we need now is the Italians and the Spanish to also have a referendum on whether they want the austerity measures their leaders agreed (in secret) with the leaders of the EU.

It is still a house of cards........... I'll give it 24 more months.

There are some who are beginning to see this as a domestic political ploy rather than an attempt at furthering democracy. Papandreou does not want an early election. According to a Greek newspaper, 59% do not want the austerity deal that has been struck, but 70% want to stay in the EU ( ). So, the theory goes that they will have a referendum that says either you accept the austerity and stay in the EU...or you leave the EU. The Greeks will not want to let go of Nanny', so the election is avoided, the austerity plan wins through and Pap lives to fight another day..

Seems a strangely likely outcome to me.   

[cleggy]

I bet no one saw that coming. Greek PM to have a referendum but the actual question to be put to the people has not yet been framed. Could be Do you want a big fat pension, early retiring age and phantom government jobs? YES /NO or maybe You think you are poor now, tick this box to become even poorer while the rich remain largely unaffected YES/NO

All we need now is the Italians and the Spanish to also have a referendum on whether they want the austerity measures their leaders agreed (in secret) with the leaders of the EU.

It is still a house of cards........... I'll give it 24 more months.

There are some who are beginning to see this as a domestic political ploy rather than an attempt at furthering democracy. Papandreou does not want an early election. According to a Greek newspaper, 59% do not want the austerity deal that has been struck, but 70% want to stay in the EU ( ). So, the theory goes that they will have a referendum that says either you accept the austerity and stay in the EU...or you leave the EU. The Greeks will not want to let go of Nanny', so the election is avoided, the austerity plan wins through and Pap lives to fight another day..

Seems a strangely likely outcome to me. 

I have to agree this does make sense, however I want to see it go tits up. No EU  so we won't need a referendumn to get out of this expensive folly. 

[Kevin Wood]

I have to agree this does make sense, however I want to see it go tits up. No EU  so we won't need a referendumn to get out of this expensive folly. 

I want, at least, to see the EU get used to the fact that their ramblings are put to the public for approval by the national government concerned instead of just rubber stamped. After all, we (and the Greeks, for that matter) fought a war to stop the Germans dictating how we run our countries.

[Varche]

I have to agree this does make sense, however I want to see it go tits up. No EU  so we won't need a referendumn to get out of this expensive folly. 

I want, at least, to see the EU get used to the fact that their ramblings are put to the public for approval by the national government concerned instead of just rubber stamped. After all, we (and the Greeks, for that matter) fought a war to stop the Germans dictating how we run our countries.

Yes and a fat lot of good it did. It bankrupted us and we only finished paying the yanks back a fifty year loan a short while ago. We should have exacted a bigger price out of the losing countries than we did. Instead we helped them get tooled up.

[Rods2]

I have to agree this does make sense, however I want to see it go tits up. No EU  so we won't need a referendumn to get out of this expensive folly. 

I want, at least, to see the EU get used to the fact that their ramblings are put to the public for approval by the national government concerned instead of just rubber stamped. After all, we (and the Greeks, for that matter) fought a war to stop the Germans dictating how we run our countries.

I agree we need more democracy and referendums but we are unlikely to get them as democracy is about as popular in Brussels as wooden stakes and garlic are at a vampires convention. 

At least the Germans run a successful economy. What I hate is the adoption of the French socialist model and bureaucracy by the EU and its imposition by stealth on all of the other EU countries. This is killing economic growth in this country and creating the sort of high unemployment levels associated with European countries that have similar social models to France.

France is likely to default in the next 10 years despite their massive subsidies by the EU agricultural policy, they are the largest agricultural power in the EU, they are also the most visited country in the world by tourists and have imposed through the EU tariffs to protect many of their industries (this is why all digital cameras in Europe only record up to 29min 59 seconds of video, so they are not regarded as a video recorder and have to pay an import duty designed to protect Thompson-CSF) and government subsidies for their industries like Airbus.

I always viewed the EU as an attempt by France to create a trading block big enough to be able to impose import duties to protect their industries and way of life 'a fortress Europe', unfortunately for France the EU has not got a big enough population or enough economic traction to succeed in this against the US and the BRIC countries. But is is dragging down all of EU Europe including this country.

If the EU was just a free market trading block, which was it's original intention, we would all be much richer and better off, and IMHO have a successful EU which would have benefited all of it citizens but it was hi-jacked by the French especially the Frenchmen Jacques Delors, Mitterrand and his ilk, which led to the Maastricht treaty, which led to the Euro and the beginning of the end, but there will be much suffering for all of the EU population (like there was in the USSR) between now and the end. 

[Dishevelled Den]

I have to agree this does make sense, however I want to see it go tits up. No EU  so we won't need a referendumn to get out of this expensive folly. 

I want, at least, to see the EU get used to the fact that their ramblings are put to the public for approval by the national government concerned instead of just rubber stamped. After all, we (and the Greeks, for that matter) fought a war to stop the Germans dictating how we run our countries.

I agree we need more democracy and referendums but we are unlikely to get them as democracy is about as popular in Brussels as wooden stakes and garlic are at a vampires convention.  ......//

democracy and referendums

I can't see that happening given the abysmal standard of those sitting at Westminster.

Individuals elected for the specific purpose of providing a sound structure of government and competent administration – but failing miserably - from which this country and her peoples can exist in a constructive meaningful way  and prosper.

[Terbs]

Democracy....what a laugh.
I saw PM questions today, and during one riotus moment, the Speaker called 'Order, Order, Order,.....this is a democracy, he deserves and has the right to be heard'

How funny it does not apply to the general public !!!!!!!!!!!

[cem_devecioglu]

ok.. if Greeks have the balls to say NO, the next day they will be 50% poor..
 
and cant predict what will happen to EU  

[Nickbat]

Update: Apparently, the referendum will address the new EU plan to rescue Greece and not whether the country will remain or not in the eurozone, said a Greek government spokesman.

...

Then again, the FT says that the people will not be asked whether they accept the bailout terms, but whether they want to remain within the EU and the eurozone.

One of them must be right. Or not.

[cem_devecioglu]

Update: Apparently, the referendum will address the new EU plan to rescue Greece and not whether the country will remain or not in the eurozone, said a Greek government spokesman.

...

Then again, the FT says that the people will not be asked whether they accept the bailout terms, but whether they want to remain within the EU and the eurozone.

One of them must be right. Or not.

in any case situation wont change Nick..

[cem_devecioglu]

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/

[Nickbat]

http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/

Don't reveal my sources, Cem!!