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Author Topic: Polly v Lemforder.  (Read 3997 times)

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Polly v Lemforder.
« on: 06 November 2011, 17:52:48 »

After being almost rammed off the road by a range rover, I had to replace a bent wishbone. So ordered a pair of Lemforders and swapped out the bent one to get the car through an Mot and back on the road. The old wishbone(s) had BMW M5(3?) bushes fitted and I was happy enough with those... Ish.

Fitting one Lemforder showed a slight drop in performance, shopping trolly wheels returned on that side. By that I mean, hit a pot hole or a sunken man hole cover and the car seemed to dive into the hole, pulled off line, and that wheel seem to flap around in dealing with jolt. Shopping trolly wheels!  .... some bump steer also returned.

Later fitted the other side so I had a matching pair, and also found some ball joint play so that side was fun bar anyway. And true enough, further drop in performance as you'd expect. break this I thought. Polly time.

 Fitted this afternoon, quick blast to test and the improvement is marked. Supple ride in that the wheels don't flap about over bumps and take 10feet to settle back into position again further up the road. Less bump steer as a result of that. So the ride is much improved and now compliments the suspension.
 Steering is more precise with far less pulling and tram lining, even though the tyres are just about down to the wear limit lines. It's still tram lines a bit due to said tyres but it's much improved.

So far I see no down side to fitting these at all.  Although it's early days and a short test drive the old confidence has returned. Well happy. But we'll see how they go on the commute. ;)
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Re: Polly v Lemforder.
« Reply #1 on: 06 November 2011, 18:10:37 »

I had some polly bushes....  ::)  ;D

Only driven 3.2 up to Halse & back so can't really comment on my thoughts of stock lemforder.
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Re: Polly v Lemforder.
« Reply #2 on: 06 November 2011, 18:15:20 »

Only driven 3.2 up to Halse & back so can't really comment on my thoughts of stock lemforder.
They will be far superior to what is fitted to your 2.2
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Re: Polly v Lemforder.
« Reply #3 on: 06 November 2011, 18:23:02 »

Only driven 3.2 up to Halse & back so can't really comment on my thoughts of stock lemforder.
They will be far superior to what is fitted to your 2.2

That applies to most of the running gear. ::) :-X
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Re: Polly v Lemforder.
« Reply #4 on: 06 November 2011, 18:25:59 »

My personal belief is, if you have a car that's done more than 75K on it's suspension you should seriously consider replacing springs, shocks and wishbones. Every Omega i've had has needed at least wishbones and every one except the very first one was markedly improved by putting new springs and shocks on as well.

I think after this mileage I would be inclined to replace the whole wishbone as both bushes and the ball joint have a fair few miles under them. Would I pollybush a new wishbone.... Yeh I probably would, simply because after you've changed everything your going to have to get it Geo'd so you may as well replace everything that likely to affect the Geo beforehand.
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Re: Polly v Lemforder.
« Reply #5 on: 06 November 2011, 18:28:59 »

Would I pollybush a new wishbone.... Yeh I probably would, simply because after you've changed everything your going to have to get it Geo'd so you may as well replace everything that likely to affect the Geo beforehand.
Plan is to replace all of mine and I intend to fit Polys to the new wishbones before they go in ;) :y
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« Reply #6 on: 06 November 2011, 18:31:07 »

The poly's do take alot of slop out of the front end. The only downside is that they'll highlight any weaknesses in the rest of the suspension such as tired droplinks.

Small price to pay for such a marked improvement IMHO. :y
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« Reply #7 on: 06 November 2011, 18:49:36 »

I personally would agree. Except not all drivers notice the bad symptoms or the following improvements I suppose.  :-\
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Re: Polly v Lemforder.
« Reply #8 on: 06 November 2011, 18:58:30 »

Did you just poly the front bushes Chris?
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« Reply #9 on: 06 November 2011, 18:59:25 »

I personally would agree. Except not all drivers notice the bad symptoms or the following improvements I suppose.  :-\

Practically living in the drivers seat I do tend to notice any variation (good or bad)::) I know that the Omega is designed as an exec barge, but it is good to be able to make the most of what is actually a well balanced car.
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Re: Polly v Lemforder.
« Reply #10 on: 06 November 2011, 19:00:04 »

I personally would agree. Except not all drivers notice the bad symptoms or the following improvements I suppose.  :-\
I think we both know that I'll see a huge improvement, but replacing all of the suspension at the same time means I won't be able to give an answer as to which part has made the improvement  ::) ;)
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Re: Polly v Lemforder.
« Reply #11 on: 06 November 2011, 19:05:10 »

Shocks will probably be the biggest surprise. They gradually get softer so you don't quite realise just how soft they are. :-\
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Re: Polly v Lemforder.
« Reply #12 on: 06 November 2011, 19:16:00 »

Changed the wishbones on our TD a year-ish ago - fitted Lemforder 'bones with Poly-bushed front bushes, followed by a full WIM set-up.

Am personally very pleased with the improved handling - and the car now goes where it's told to go, with no issues!
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Re: Polly v Lemforder.
« Reply #13 on: 06 November 2011, 19:51:26 »

I found Poly's an improvement on handling and especially on minimising steering wheel movement under heavy braking.  :y  It did highlight a bad wheel balance issue which was not that evident before. My main concern is that if the standard bushes absorbed this issue, where does the wheel deflection shock go now. Hopefully not to the wishbone hangers as I'd hate to be causing fatigue to the metal parts.  :-\
Still seems a good mod so far.  :y

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Re: Polly v Lemforder.
« Reply #14 on: 06 November 2011, 20:44:21 »

I found Poly's an improvement on handling and especially on minimising steering wheel movement under heavy braking.  :y  It did highlight a bad wheel balance issue which was not that evident before. My main concern is that if the standard bushes absorbed this issue, where does the wheel deflection shock go now. Hopefully not to the wishbone hangers as I'd hate to be causing fatigue to the metal parts.  :-\
Still seems a good mod so far.  :y

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Alan

My money would be the rear bushes on the wishbone. Time will tell how they cope with polys on the front.
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