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[tigers_gonads]

CPR Vinnie Jones style 

http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/Vinnie-jones-promotes-hands-only-cpr.htm

[the alarming man]

seen it....but be intresting to see survival rate....as none of it makes sense...lack of oxygen = brain damage

[skyblue]

seen it....but be intresting to see survival rate....as none of it makes sense...lack of oxygen = brain damage

 Spot on  .... Im sure we was told on our course  that if the brain was starved of  oxygen for more tham 3 mins it could cause brain damage.

[tigers_gonads]

Believe the advise has changed and the priority is the keep the blood moving 

[the alarming man]

i think you will find it as only been changed if you dont know what you are doing

[skyblue]

To be honest whatever you can do to improve the persons chances of making it to the hospital  where the experts are is a bonus ... And I will continue to do CPR in the way I was trained to do it

[ted_one]

Spent 20 years on the ambulance service,this new advice seems to go against what was always thought about the first 4 minutes of cardiac arrest and that the diminishing oxygen levels would inevitably be causing irrepairable damage to the brain.On a personal basis I still think mouth to mouth/nose has got to be a better option,not always a pleasant one but it's got to be down to the individual and the circumstances that they find themselves in

[LJay]

At the end of the day doing somat is better than doing nowt!  And by the laws of science performing chest compressions is going to draw some oxygen into the body!

[Andy B]

At the end of the day doing somat is better than doing nowt!  And by the laws of science performing chest compressions is going to draw some oxygen into the body!

and I think that's the idea behind it.

First Aid advise changes every week anyway 7 -1 and 15 - 2  .........

[Abiton]

Exactly.  Just pushing the chest rythmically causes a fair amount of air to flow in and out.

One advantage of doing the breaths, if you're not 'scared' to, is actually that you, the first aider, get a little rest every 15 seconds.  If you've ever tried giving chest compressions for more than a minute or two, you'll know the potential value of this.

[skyblue]

Thats very true Ljay, but I would still argue that the chest compressions alone is not   the right way to go. As Im sure its one  experts opinion against anothers in how things should be done

[skyblue]

At the end of the day doing somat is better than doing nowt!  And by the laws of science performing chest compressions is going to draw some oxygen into the body!

and I think that's the idea behind it.

First Aid advise changes every week anyway 7 -1 and 15 - 2  .........

its now 30 -2

[ted_one]

Just a little bit more to add to this topic,there is a risk that if you are little to enthusiastic with chest compressions that there is a chance that you can break the ribs which are attached to the sternum(breast bone) which can result in a flail chest which in turn causes difficulty in further cardiac compressions,SO yes VJ is saying it's easy but I would still say take a recognised CPR course because like they say a"little knowledge is a dangerous thing"

[skyblue]

Something this advert  doesnt make clear is   of the hidden dangers that could happen if  you go at it like a bull in a china shop... Even Sally ann objected to too much force been used on her 

[hotel21]

My score thus far in this good earth is, on the giving, nellie the elephant 2, fella with the hoodie and big knife on a stick 1.

And on the receiving side, its 0-1 and I'm still moaning about the dogbreath of the delectable PW that initially helped out.

When I came out the hospital I bought her a lovely necklace and a tube of Colgate.  It was a giggle that we were both glad to share...   

Was also told by a consultant chappie that a broken breastbone was most often due to the hamfisted 'thunk' of a closed fist to the breastbone in an effort to bump start a heart without defib kit.  He said that the compressions would have more effect than anything (non machine) in keeping thinks going until the amb service attends with their clever kit and drugs etc.