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[Albatross]

Sorry folks --- I knjow we all hate council tax -- but that story is complete and utter b*ll*cks!

One -- we are all hounding Brown for it ( there are MANY other things he could be hung for, but this isn't one of them) -- Do we forget who brought the Council tax in ?? Anyone remember Maggie !!!!!

Two --- the council tax band, we are told, is based on the value of the house ( rightly or wrongly) so --- if you were buying a property you would pay more for a sea view and, yes, you would expect to pay less if you overlooked a cemetery.  If I remember rightly the old rates system was based on the value of the property as well -- so what has really changed .... oh, one thing has -- under rates, if you built an extension your rates bill went up straight away. Under Council Tax, it doesn't go up until the property is sold -- so I guess some of us could be better off.

Three -- the real gripe ( from where I stand) isn't the band -- but the amount the councils charge ( and waste on gold plated seats ).

Four -- all political parties are cr*p. More interested in self promotion and scoring cheap points than running the country to the benefit of it's citizens .......

I disagree - the reason they are having to find new ways to screw us is because that fat useless idiot now running the show has mismanaged the country's finances so badly over the last 10yrs.

Agreed, spend, spend, spend; always means tax, tax, tax. Labour will never learn.

Throwing away vast sums of the reserve in propping the economy up to avoid embarrassment caused by their own "F" ups and maintain the over-inflated "stability" they keep on about hasn't helped either.

[TheBoy]

Sorry folks --- I knjow we all hate council tax -- but that story is complete and utter b*ll*cks!

One -- we are all hounding Brown for it ( there are MANY other things he could be hung for, but this isn't one of them) -- Do we forget who brought the Council tax in ?? Anyone remember Maggie !!!!!

Two --- the council tax band, we are told, is based on the value of the house ( rightly or wrongly) so --- if you were buying a property you would pay more for a sea view and, yes, you would expect to pay less if you overlooked a cemetery.  If I remember rightly the old rates system was based on the value of the property as well -- so what has really changed .... oh, one thing has -- under rates, if you built an extension your rates bill went up straight away. Under Council Tax, it doesn't go up until the property is sold -- so I guess some of us could be better off.

Three -- the real gripe ( from where I stand) isn't the band -- but the amount the councils charge ( and waste on gold plated seats ).

Four -- all political parties are cr*p. More interested in self promotion and scoring cheap points than running the country to the benefit of it's citizens .......

I disagree - the reason they are having to find new ways to screw us is because that fat useless idiot now running the show has mismanaged the country's finances so badly over the last 10yrs.

Agreed, spend, spend, spend; always means tax, tax, tax. Labour will never learn.

Throwing away vast sums of the reserve in propping the economy up to avoid embarrassment caused by their own "F" ups and maintain the over-inflated "stability" they keep on about hasn't helped either.

Throwing money at broken establishments - schools, nhs etc before fixing them has left us in this situation.

[Albatross]

Sorry folks --- I knjow we all hate council tax -- but that story is complete and utter b*ll*cks!

One -- we are all hounding Brown for it ( there are MANY other things he could be hung for, but this isn't one of them) -- Do we forget who brought the Council tax in ?? Anyone remember Maggie !!!!!

Two --- the council tax band, we are told, is based on the value of the house ( rightly or wrongly) so --- if you were buying a property you would pay more for a sea view and, yes, you would expect to pay less if you overlooked a cemetery.  If I remember rightly the old rates system was based on the value of the property as well -- so what has really changed .... oh, one thing has -- under rates, if you built an extension your rates bill went up straight away. Under Council Tax, it doesn't go up until the property is sold -- so I guess some of us could be better off.

Three -- the real gripe ( from where I stand) isn't the band -- but the amount the councils charge ( and waste on gold plated seats ).

Four -- all political parties are cr*p. More interested in self promotion and scoring cheap points than running the country to the benefit of it's citizens .......

I disagree - the reason they are having to find new ways to screw us is because that fat useless idiot now running the show has mismanaged the country's finances so badly over the last 10yrs.

Agreed, spend, spend, spend; always means tax, tax, tax. Labour will never learn.

Throwing away vast sums of the reserve in propping the economy up to avoid embarrassment caused by their own "F" ups and maintain the over-inflated "stability" they keep on about hasn't helped either.

Throwing money at broken establishments - schools, nhs etc before fixing them has left us in this situation.

My point exactly; perhaps not made very clearly or as succinctly as you, granted.

Much of our "stability" has been brought about by the government just employing more and more people in the public sector in a very wasteful manner rather than making things more efficient.

I think we're in complete agreement sir.

[TheBoy]

Sorry folks --- I knjow we all hate council tax -- but that story is complete and utter b*ll*cks!

One -- we are all hounding Brown for it ( there are MANY other things he could be hung for, but this isn't one of them) -- Do we forget who brought the Council tax in ?? Anyone remember Maggie !!!!!

Two --- the council tax band, we are told, is based on the value of the house ( rightly or wrongly) so --- if you were buying a property you would pay more for a sea view and, yes, you would expect to pay less if you overlooked a cemetery.  If I remember rightly the old rates system was based on the value of the property as well -- so what has really changed .... oh, one thing has -- under rates, if you built an extension your rates bill went up straight away. Under Council Tax, it doesn't go up until the property is sold -- so I guess some of us could be better off.

Three -- the real gripe ( from where I stand) isn't the band -- but the amount the councils charge ( and waste on gold plated seats ).

Four -- all political parties are cr*p. More interested in self promotion and scoring cheap points than running the country to the benefit of it's citizens .......

I disagree - the reason they are having to find new ways to screw us is because that fat useless idiot now running the show has mismanaged the country's finances so badly over the last 10yrs.

Agreed, spend, spend, spend; always means tax, tax, tax. Labour will never learn.

Throwing away vast sums of the reserve in propping the economy up to avoid embarrassment caused by their own "F" ups and maintain the over-inflated "stability" they keep on about hasn't helped either.

Throwing money at broken establishments - schools, nhs etc before fixing them has left us in this situation.

My point exactly; perhaps not made very clearly or as succinctly as you, granted.

Much of our "stability" has been brought about by the government just employing more and more people in the public sector in a very wasteful manner rather than making things more efficient.

I think we're in complete agreement sir.

In the fat years, they should have been paying off some of the debt to save us getting even deeper in the shit during the foreseeable lean years

[Markie]

Sorry folks --- I knjow we all hate council tax -- but that story is complete and utter b*ll*cks!

One -- we are all hounding Brown for it ( there are MANY other things he could be hung for, but this isn't one of them) -- Do we forget who brought the Council tax in ?? Anyone remember Maggie !!!!!

Two --- the council tax band, we are told, is based on the value of the house ( rightly or wrongly) so --- if you were buying a property you would pay more for a sea view and, yes, you would expect to pay less if you overlooked a cemetery.  If I remember rightly the old rates system was based on the value of the property as well -- so what has really changed .... oh, one thing has -- under rates, if you built an extension your rates bill went up straight away. Under Council Tax, it doesn't go up until the property is sold -- so I guess some of us could be better off.

Three -- the real gripe ( from where I stand) isn't the band -- but the amount the councils charge ( and waste on gold plated seats ).

Four -- all political parties are cr*p. More interested in self promotion and scoring cheap points than running the country to the benefit of it's citizens .......

I disagree - the reason they are having to find new ways to screw us is because that fat useless idiot now running the show has mismanaged the country's finances so badly over the last 10yrs.

Absolutley agree 100% here with TB   its the labour party and its inability to manage an economy and it decade of financial mismanagent that has caused this.

[HolyCount]

Sorry folks --- I knjow we all hate council tax -- but that story is complete and utter b*ll*cks!

One -- we are all hounding Brown for it ( there are MANY other things he could be hung for, but this isn't one of them) -- Do we forget who brought the Council tax in ?? Anyone remember Maggie !!!!!

Two --- the council tax band, we are told, is based on the value of the house ( rightly or wrongly) so --- if you were buying a property you would pay more for a sea view and, yes, you would expect to pay less if you overlooked a cemetery.  If I remember rightly the old rates system was based on the value of the property as well -- so what has really changed .... oh, one thing has -- under rates, if you built an extension your rates bill went up straight away. Under Council Tax, it doesn't go up until the property is sold -- so I guess some of us could be better off.

Three -- the real gripe ( from where I stand) isn't the band -- but the amount the councils charge ( and waste on gold plated seats ).

Four -- all political parties are cr*p. More interested in self promotion and scoring cheap points than running the country to the benefit of it's citizens .......

I disagree - the reason they are having to find new ways to screw us is because that fat useless idiot now running the show has mismanaged the country's finances so badly over the last 10yrs.

Absolutley agree 100% here with TB   its the labour party and its inability to manage an economy and it decade of financial mismanagent that has caused this.

We have strayed off the topic here -- I agree with all that has been said re the Current government -- but still feel they are all as bad!!!
But this thread was about the papers story on council tax -- it it THAT I was moaning about.  Granted, this country is in the sh*t on many levels, but I was moaning about that particular story ( and the needless worry it causes) being b*ll*cks.

[JesterRT]

As long as they define a garage as something you can park a car in then many houses won't be affected.  Cars are getting bigger every generation, and garages have shrunk.
I'm busy looking at getting an extension to my house and the council would only grant planning permission if I took up half my lawn and agreed to providing two off-street parking spaces.  The 23ft garage I'm looking ot build won't count...

Can't wait for the tax bill to come through the door...

[HolyCount]

As long as they define a garage as something you can park a car in then many houses won't be affected.  Cars are getting bigger every generation, and garages have shrunk.
I'm busy looking at getting an extension to my house and the council would only grant planning permission if I took up half my lawn and agreed to providing two off-street parking spaces.  The 23ft garage I'm looking ot build won't count...

Can't wait for the tax bill to come through the door...

The way I see it is ss things stand at the moment they can't increase your council tax banding for an extension you have built - including garages -- it will be reviewed when you sell --- unless they change the rules !!!!
What the paper says is rubbish -- they can only do what the law says they can do ( conservative law BTW)

[TheBoy]

As long as they define a garage as something you can park a car in then many houses won't be affected.  Cars are getting bigger every generation, and garages have shrunk.
I'm busy looking at getting an extension to my house and the council would only grant planning permission if I took up half my lawn and agreed to providing two off-street parking spaces.  The 23ft garage I'm looking ot build won't count...

Can't wait for the tax bill to come through the door...

The way I see it is ss things stand at the moment they can't increase your council tax banding for an extension you have built - including garages -- it will be reviewed when you sell --- unless they change the rules !!!!
What the paper says is rubbish -- they can only do what the law says they can do ( conservative law BTW)

I think that is the point - they are going to reband anyway (easy enough for them to get any required laws through)

[HolyCount]

No -- they are not going to reband for a while -- General Election a couple of years off -- that would be political suicide -- they haven't got the balls!

[Martin_1962]

Brown & co are so worried about protecting their necks they have abolished the death sentence for traitors - as they could be strung up for it

[theowletman]

Sorry folks --- I knjow we all hate council tax -- but that story is complete and utter b*ll*cks!

One -- we are all hounding Brown for it ( there are MANY other things he could be hung for, but this isn't one of them) -- Do we forget who brought the Council tax in ?? Anyone remember Maggie !!!!!

Two --- the council tax band, we are told, is based on the value of the house ( rightly or wrongly) so --- if you were buying a property you would pay more for a sea view and, yes, you would expect to pay less if you overlooked a cemetery.  If I remember rightly the old rates system was based on the value of the property as well -- so what has really changed .... oh, one thing has -- under rates, if you built an extension your rates bill went up straight away. Under Council Tax, it doesn't go up until the property is sold -- so I guess some of us could be better off.

Three -- the real gripe ( from where I stand) isn't the band -- but the amount the councils charge ( and waste on gold plated seats ).

Four -- all political parties are cr*p. More interested in self promotion and scoring cheap points than running the country to the benefit of it's citizens .......

I disagree - the reason they are having to find new ways to screw us is because that fat useless idiot now running the show has mismanaged the country's finances so badly over the last 10yrs.

Did you realise that about £180 of your annual council tax bill is used to provide index linked final salary pensions to civil servants who can retire at 60, yet we must work until 65 and pay for our own pensions ? An 82 year old British pensioner with-held that amount from his bill and was jailed for 7 days, he had worked and paid tax all of his life. That paedo the Aussies have dumped on us has paid nothing but is to receive everything. Vote labour!!! Did you know that police officers can retire after 30 years of service, many retire on good pensions at 50 years of age, leaving us mere taxpayers to fund their retirement and pay to replace them with another officer!!!! The public service unions are bankrolling the cash strapped Labour party and get everything they want. We will shortly have a massive uprising in this country as nobody in power gives a damn about the hardworking taxpaying family man/woman.
Rant not over, I've just joined the BNP, they are not what they are portrayed to be. If the conception is that they are just racists, why is the Black Police Federation allowed to exist? Racist or what ? Imagine the uproar if a White Police federation was formed. The MOBO awards, Music of Black Origin- why can't we have  MOWO awards. If I like the music I don't care who makes it, it should be judged on quality not colour. The taxpayer is taken for granted ( and for a ride ) by this government and will continue to be taxed ever more heavily until we say enough. If any of you live in an area where local elections are taking place mention the massive increase in direct and indirect taxation and promise not to vote labour, the message must get through.

[hotel21]

Sorry folks --- I knjow we all hate council tax -- but that story is complete and utter b*ll*cks!

One -- we are all hounding Brown for it ( there are MANY other things he could be hung for, but this isn't one of them) -- Do we forget who brought the Council tax in ?? Anyone remember Maggie !!!!!

Two --- the council tax band, we are told, is based on the value of the house ( rightly or wrongly) so --- if you were buying a property you would pay more for a sea view and, yes, you would expect to pay less if you overlooked a cemetery.  If I remember rightly the old rates system was based on the value of the property as well -- so what has really changed .... oh, one thing has -- under rates, if you built an extension your rates bill went up straight away. Under Council Tax, it doesn't go up until the property is sold -- so I guess some of us could be better off.

Three -- the real gripe ( from where I stand) isn't the band -- but the amount the councils charge ( and waste on gold plated seats ).

Four -- all political parties are cr*p. More interested in self promotion and scoring cheap points than running the country to the benefit of it's citizens .......

I disagree - the reason they are having to find new ways to screw us is because that fat useless idiot now running the show has mismanaged the country's finances so badly over the last 10yrs.

Did you realise that about £180 of your annual council tax bill is used to provide index linked final salary pensions to civil servants who can retire at 60, yet we must work until 65 and pay for our own pensions ? An 82 year old British pensioner with-held that amount from his bill and was jailed for 7 days, he had worked and paid tax all of his life. That paedo the Aussies have dumped on us has paid nothing but is to receive everything. Vote labour!!! Did you know that police officers can retire after 30 years of service, many retire on good pensions at 50 years of age, leaving us mere taxpayers to fund their retirement and pay to replace them with another officer!!!! The public service unions are bankrolling the cash strapped Labour party and get everything they want. We will shortly have a massive uprising in this country as nobody in power gives a damn about the hardworking taxpaying family man/woman.
Rant not over, I've just joined the BNP, they are not what they are portrayed to be. If the conception is that they are just racists, why is the Black Police Federation allowed to exist? Racist or what ? Imagine the uproar if a White Police federation was formed. The MOBO awards, Music of Black Origin- why can't we have  MOWO awards. If I like the music I don't care who makes it, it should be judged on quality not colour. The taxpayer is taken for granted ( and for a ride ) by this government and will continue to be taxed ever more heavily until we say enough. If any of you live in an area where local elections are taking place mention the massive increase in direct and indirect taxation and promise not to vote labour, the message must get through.

Ref the highlighted part, emphatically NOT TRUE.  The contract I have says I pay 11% of my top line each and every pay day since the first one.  The monies deducted from my wages today go to pay the current Police pensioners tomorrow.  Literally!  There is no great fund or pot of gold languishing anywhere accruing interest....  Morever, not one brass razzoo gets added to the monies drawn from my payline to pay the pensioners by the Government....

Yes, I can retire after 30 years service (the new contracts are 35 years, BTW) and I will be happy to see it!

The new Officerwho will be replacing me will save the taxpayer money as they will be on a starting rate rather than the rate I am on after the various pay grades etc that apply after years served.

Whats more, successive Governments have eroded the value of an Officers wage, administration after administration.  They insist that hard fought allowances are disolved into that years pay rise, otherwise no pay rise.  Last of which, last years pay increase was going to be disallowed.  Good, I hear you say.  After the last thread of a strike (which we are not allowed to do, by law, unlike 99.9% of others) an everlasting agreement was made restricting subsequent rises to the annual cost of living index, nothing more, effectively pinning the pound for pound purchase value at late 1980's values...

No problems with you having a rant, just please ensure that the 'facts' you quote are real facts and not simply bar room myths....  

/rant...  

[HolyCount]

I would say the same about the first part of that statement -- £180 of council tax bill going toward civil servants pensions !!!  Council tax revenue goes to the council who coolect it --- civil servants don't work for councils. Therfore they don't get payrolled by any monies paid in council tax.

This illustrates my first reply in this thread -- the public are being grossly mis-informed by papers who are hell bent on spreading cr*p

[Martin_1962]

The MOBO awards, Music of Black Origin- why can't we have  MOWO awards. If I like the music I don't care who makes it, it should be judged on quality not colour.

I had a look around about this - it can be awarded to anyone - the source music is basically black people music but anyone influenced can do it.

BTW Blues started as a black American music form