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Best V6 on the market
« on: 12 August 2010, 01:51:57 »
been told that the V6 omega engine is probably one of the best examples of german ingenuity & engineering on the market... question is... other than obvious differences such as BHP or top speed... as a unit is there one Omega V6 lump that is simply the best?? 2.5L 2.6L 3.0L 3.2L etc. "ENGINE ONLY" including LPG & TD :y not which car, because thats too subjective  ;)
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Re: Best V6 on the market
« Reply #1 on: 12 August 2010, 02:47:16 »
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been told that the V6 omega engine is probably one of the best examples of german ingenuity & engineering on the market... question is... other than obvious differences such as BHP or top speed... as a unit is there one Omega V6 lump that is simply the best?? 2.5L 2.6L 3.0L 3.2L etc. "ENGINE ONLY" including LPG & TD :y not which car, because thats too subjective  ;)
Easy 3.2  Regards .... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #2 on: 12 August 2010, 03:24:06 »
Lol... definately not at all bias 3.2 Charlie  :) ;) :D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Best V6 on the market
« Reply #3 on: 12 August 2010, 03:28:39 »
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Lol... definately not at all bias 3.2 Charlie  :) ;) :D ;D ;D ;D
Lol .. Oh Yes Much better than the under-powered 2.5  :D ;D ;D ;) ;) Regards 3.2 Charlie ..
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Re: Best V6 on the market
« Reply #4 on: 12 August 2010, 07:29:16 »
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been told that the V6 omega engine is probably one of the best examples of german ingenuity & engineering on the market... question is... other than obvious differences such as BHP or top speed... as a unit is there one Omega V6 lump that is simply the best?? 2.5L 2.6L 3.0L 3.2L etc. "ENGINE ONLY" including LPG & TD :y not which car, because thats too subjective  ;)


is that not a straight 6 engine? iirc

anyways imo the 3.0l is the best engine
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Re: Best V6 on the market
« Reply #5 on: 12 August 2010, 09:28:27 »
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been told that the V6 omega engine is probably one of the best examples of german ingenuity & engineering on the market... question is... other than obvious differences such as BHP or top speed... as a unit is there one Omega V6 lump that is simply the best?? 2.5L 2.6L 3.0L 3.2L etc. "ENGINE ONLY" including LPG & TD :y not which car, because thats too subjective  ;)

It was built in Ellesmere port.  :-[

I suspect we'd be in real trouble if there was German ingenuity in it. ;D

The engines are very similar in construction. Only differences are in the ancillaries bolted to it except that the 3.2 has a forged crank whereas the others are cast.

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Re: Best V6 on the market
« Reply #6 on: 12 August 2010, 10:46:19 »
Would respectfully suggest the 3.0 V6 is the very best, slightly higher compression, and the most torquey of the bunch.
Please read my "mile muncher" thread.............

The 3.0 is possibly the most frugal on fuel too if you don't have a lead right foot. on a good run, 30mpg is EASILY achieveable, although more like 23-26 around town.

Speed wise, in my opinion, the 3.0 is the best too, several of us on here have seen 150mph (and more!) There are some better points on the 3.2, i.e. DBW and better exhaust manifolds, etc. but in essence, the 3.0 can be made superior in all respects easily and relatively cheaply. Oh, and the 3.0 doesn't suffer from the 0430 code from the lambda sensors either!!

Just my (slightly biased) opinion. :y
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Re: Best V6 on the market
« Reply #7 on: 12 August 2010, 11:00:14 »
Depends entirely on needs. Nobody can doubt as a motorway cruiser, the 2.5/6 in manual form is the most economical of the bunch. The 3.0/2 have better midrange pulling power.

Between dbw and non dbw, not much between them
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Re: Best V6 on the market
« Reply #8 on: 12 August 2010, 11:40:39 »
3.0 for me, easier to chip, cant afford the Road Tax on a  3.2.  :(

Would have love to get my hands on one those 2.5DTi euro jobs though, nearly 200 bhp with some simple mods.  ;)

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Re: Best V6 on the market
« Reply #9 on: 12 August 2010, 11:43:08 »
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3.0 for me, easier to chip, cant afford the Road Tax on a  3.2.  :(

Would have love to get my hands on one those 2.5DTi euro jobs though, nearly 200 bhp with some simple mods.  ;)

Chris.


3.2 is faster than chipped 3.0  ime :y
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Re: Best V6 on the market
« Reply #10 on: 12 August 2010, 11:47:55 »
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3.0 for me, easier to chip, cant afford the Road Tax on a  3.2.  :(

Would have love to get my hands on one those 2.5DTi euro jobs though, nearly 200 bhp with some simple mods.  ;)

Chris.


3.2 is faster than chipped 3.0  ime :y


Not that I've tried, but theoretically speaking, if chrisgixer (3.2 auto LPG) and I (3.0 auto LPG) were trying done the A43, after Kevin wood dropped out with dying brakes, there was absolutely nothing in it. Hypothetically speaking of course
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Re: Best V6 on the market
« Reply #11 on: 12 August 2010, 11:48:50 »
Someone fix my post above please
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« Reply #12 on: 12 August 2010, 11:53:37 »
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Re: Best V6 on the market
« Reply #13 on: 12 August 2010, 11:54:02 »
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Not that I've tried, but theoretically speaking, if chrisgixer (3.2 auto LPG) and I (3.0 auto LPG) were trying done the A43, after Kevin wood dropped out with dying brakes, there was absolutely nothing in it. Hypothetically speaking of course

Certainly not anything significant in it. Will have to try my no-bull5h1t pub-figure generator AP22 performance meter one day when a suitable <cough!> private test track presents itself. ::)

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Re: Best V6 on the market
« Reply #14 on: 12 August 2010, 20:17:47 »
3.0 all day long, used one in an omega i drifted competetively for 2 years, got an oil and filter change after every race and a timing belt kit every 6 months, completely stock engine and lsd, revved its head off for hours, never gave any bother and embarrassed plenty of big money big power jap cars built with daddys cheque books, loved it so much i put it in my 98 reflection and drove it on the road for a further year, absolute blast until i was offered too much money for it. Looked at a 3.2 mv6 manual to replace it, imo my current 2.5td pulls way harder, miss you AKZ 5400  :'( :'( should never have sold her

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Re: Best V6 on the market
« Reply #15 on: 13 August 2010, 00:54:43 »
fastcav Posted Yesterday at 20:17
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Looked at a 3.2 mv6 manual to replace it, imo my current 2.5td pulls way harder
  :y Interesting point because mine is a 5-Speed Manual 2.5 V6 and a chap that drag races classic ford zodiacs offered me £1200 just for the engine, not for a zodiac but some other shell? Of course I said no because I have no plans to let the mig go! Told him there are bigger mig lumps but he was only interested in the 24v 2.5 ??? BTW sorry KW, I didn't know migs were born in Cheshire & keep wrongly being told they were german designed/engineered  :o
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Re: Best V6 on the market
« Reply #16 on: 13 August 2010, 01:06:39 »
The car was indeed built in Germany but the V6 engines were built in Ellesmere Port. :y

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Re: Best V6 on the market
« Reply #17 on: 13 August 2010, 01:30:44 »
 Rüsselsheim is where they were built, no mention of the engine unless i missed it on wiki.

what i did find interesting is the 100k belt interval once the tensioners were upgraded..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Omega
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« Reply #18 on: 13 August 2010, 02:43:19 »
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The car was indeed built in Germany but the V6 engines were built in Ellesmere Port.
thats good to know :) A feat of great british ingenuity, that more than compensates for the poor record of Leyland etc..  :y
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« Reply #19 on: 13 August 2010, 05:43:38 »
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Rüsselsheim is where they were built, no mention of the engine unless i missed it on wiki.

what i did find interesting is the 100k belt interval once the tensioners were upgraded..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Omega

I wouldnt take any notice of that at all. Wiki is a notorious source of false info. 40k or 4 years every time. ;)
I noticed there was a link to OOF at the bottom though. :y
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« Reply #20 on: 13 August 2010, 09:05:39 »
I think Markjay added a lot of the info...was a long time ago though.
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« Reply #21 on: 13 August 2010, 11:22:38 »
Having owned a 3ltr and still own a 2.5 and 3.2 (although not in an Omega) there is nothing much between them

All have the same faults, to 60 in the real world with an auto box theres nothing between the 2.5 and 3ltr. 50-70ish the 3ltr pulls better and keeps pulling for longer.
From a standing stard the 3.2 is quicker, but the 100kgs odd less might be the reason for that.

What i really can't work out is why the Y32 has 9ish more BHP but some 10ish less ft/lb torque than the Z32
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« Reply #22 on: 13 August 2010, 12:52:17 »
Probably the best Omega V6 would be the one with alfa romeo engine inside ;D
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« Reply #23 on: 13 August 2010, 13:06:01 »
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What i really can't work out is why the Y32 has 9ish more BHP but some 10ish less ft/lb torque than the Z32

No multiram intake setup. :y

Might even have different cams, I suppose?

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« Reply #24 on: 13 August 2010, 13:38:51 »
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Rüsselsheim is where they were built, no mention of the engine unless i missed it on wiki.

what i did find interesting is the 100k belt interval once the tensioners were upgraded..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Omega
Damn, time to update wikipedia again...  ...too many idiots messing about with those pages...
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« Reply #25 on: 13 August 2010, 23:49:45 »
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Rüsselsheim is where they were built, no mention of the engine unless i missed it on wiki
Found it  ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_54-Degree_V6_engine KW was spot on :y
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