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Re: Starting problem
« Reply #15 on: 23 July 2007, 15:26:47 »

Thanks Mr. TheBoy for your helpful replies.

Yes, we have a sunny and very hot weather but anyway its better than floods  :)

My mechanic checked the car with code reader and he didn't receive any fault message.

So, does crank sensor or fuel pumps problems appear on code readers? And where is the crank sensor exactly located?
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Re: Starting problem
« Reply #16 on: 23 July 2007, 15:31:20 »

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Thanks Mr. TheBoy for your helpful replies.

Yes, we have a sunny and very hot weather but anyway its better than floods  :)

My mechanic checked the car with code reader and he didn't receive any fault message.

So, does crank sensor or fuel pumps problems appear on code readers? And where is the crank sensor exactly located?
The crank sensor normally brings up a code 19 if its failing.  Whatever, he should have got a 31 if engine wasn't running (no rpm).

Did you try my suggestion of cranking for 5s with pedal flat to floor, then try starting normally (The crank with throttle fully depressed will stop injectors firing, so if you have a leaky injection flooding engine, it should clear the excess fuel)?
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Re: Starting problem
« Reply #17 on: 24 July 2007, 19:25:01 »

Today morning, I tried to crank the peddale for 5s but the same thing happened after that.

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Re: Starting problem
« Reply #18 on: 26 July 2007, 09:52:14 »

Hi all, apologies that this is my first post and it's one requesting help!

I seem to have a similar problem.

pcked up a 1996 P plate 2.5V6 CDX Auto Saloon yesterday and it drove fine, turned it off a few times through the day and drove about 50 miles in total. Anyway, about tea time I pulled up at home and turned the car off. I then tried to restart it as I changed my mind and decided to nip to the shop, and it wouldn't start... and has not since! It sounds as though there's no fuel getting through as it attempts to fire but doesn't. I've put a can of fuel in to be sure it wasn't a faulty fuel gauge and still nothing.

I've looked at a few on-line diagnosises and it seems that anything to do with non-starting is attributed to either the crank sensor or the immobiliser.

I got 2 fobs with the car and one worked fine, in desparation I took out the battery and tried it in the other fob, the fobs work fine!

As for the cranks sensor, I would have expected some kind of clue as to it's faulty-ness earlier in the day.

Any help much appreciated!
Thanks
Mark 8-)
« Last Edit: 26 July 2007, 12:12:57 by Markmastro »
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Re: Starting problem
« Reply #19 on: 26 July 2007, 19:00:11 »

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Hi all, apologies that this is my first post and it's one requesting help!

I seem to have a similar problem.

pcked up a 1996 P plate 2.5V6 CDX Auto Saloon yesterday and it drove fine, turned it off a few times through the day and drove about 50 miles in total. Anyway, about tea time I pulled up at home and turned the car off. I then tried to restart it as I changed my mind and decided to nip to the shop, and it wouldn't start... and has not since! It sounds as though there's no fuel getting through as it attempts to fire but doesn't. I've put a can of fuel in to be sure it wasn't a faulty fuel gauge and still nothing.

I've looked at a few on-line diagnosises and it seems that anything to do with non-starting is attributed to either the crank sensor or the immobiliser.

I got 2 fobs with the car and one worked fine, in desparation I took out the battery and tried it in the other fob, the fobs work fine!

As for the cranks sensor, I would have expected some kind of clue as to it's faulty-ness earlier in the day.

Any help much appreciated!
Thanks
Mark 8-)
do paperclip test and post back results :)
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Re: Starting problem
« Reply #20 on: 26 July 2007, 21:52:19 »

Hi all, well, as I'd convinced myself it was the Crank Sensor I took the scuttle etc off to do a reccy and see how i was going to change it. I spotted a 4 pin connector unplugged from the very back of the engine and plugged it back in to what felt like the box and hey presto!!! started!!! :)Couldn't possibly have seen it without removing the scuttle so what an easy fix :) 8-) ::)
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Re: Starting problem
« Reply #21 on: 27 July 2007, 10:01:01 »

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Hi all, well, as I'd convinced myself it was the Crank Sensor I took the scuttle etc off to do a reccy and see how i was going to change it. I spotted a 4 pin connector unplugged from the very back of the engine and plugged it back in to what felt like the box and hey presto!!! started!!! :)Couldn't possibly have seen it without removing the scuttle so what an easy fix :) 8-) ::)
do the paperclip test - if you get a 19 back, change sensor anyway
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Re: Starting problem
« Reply #22 on: 27 July 2007, 12:42:20 »

Why would I change the sensor when it's not broken? It's not a service item?! :) Plus I'm pretty sure it's been changed at some point in the past as there's something in the history from 5 years ago
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Re: Starting problem
« Reply #23 on: 27 July 2007, 12:52:25 »

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Why would I change the sensor when it's not broken? It's not a service item?! :) Plus I'm pretty sure it's been changed at some point in the past as there's something in the history from 5 years ago
Oh trust me, if you have a stored 19 code, change it.

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Re: Starting problem
« Reply #24 on: 27 July 2007, 12:54:16 »

The boy said, IF you get a 19, change the sensor
That code meaning the sensor is knackered, although possibily not enough to cause total failure yet.
if you do have a 19, and the sensor gives up completley, which it will, and your not at home, you qualify for a ride home with the nice AA man!
several people here have had it, theboy worst than most!

Remember as well, this isn't a sensor that gives you limp mode...when it goes, you are stranded, You cannot push or jump start
Your only options are fix or tow!
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Re: Starting problem
« Reply #25 on: 27 July 2007, 12:59:36 »

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The boy said, IF you get a 19, change the sensor
That code meaning the sensor is knackered, although possibily not enough to cause total failure yet.
if you do have a 19, and the sensor gives up completley, which it will, and your not at home, you qualify for a ride home with the nice AA man!
several people here have had it, theboy worst than most!
>:(

Let my experience be a warning to others. Breaking down 800 miles from home, in another country, in the middle of nowhere, not pleasant :(

The crank sensor is the one sensor on the v6 that has no limp mode. If/when it fails, you are stuffed.
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Re: Starting problem
« Reply #26 on: 07 August 2007, 00:23:19 »

I still didn't fix the problem and it's persisting.

I put the car on the computer check in more than one workshop. All of them told me that there is no trouble code appearing on the tests but on of them found fault number P1219 with no description so he explained that only the dealer can know what the problem is.

2 weeks ago, I was travelling for 6 days. So, I left the car not working and when I came back I found out that the battery is out of order when I charged it the car started from the first time while it's connected with charging cables from the other car.

Does this give a new indication?
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