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Re: Stopping
« Reply #15 on: 02 June 2007, 16:30:31 »

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Those of us taught 20 odd years ago, with no update training, will probably still use the older gearbox method.  Nowadays, using the brake is the preferred way due to economy, better braking systems, and it brings on stop lamps to warn following drivers.

Obviously, using the gears is still advisable sometimes, such as steep downhill gradients etc...

I passed my test ummm.....25years ago  :-[ and carnt really remember how i was taught to slow down.....but driving autos for probably 20 years i have become lazy  ::) and only change gear if i have to.......therfore i do it the correct way   ;D
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Re: Stopping
« Reply #16 on: 02 June 2007, 20:40:29 »

I was always told brakes work on all the wheels, changing down only on the drive axle. Granted I was driving artics but the principal is the same and as Broocie pointed out brake pads are a lot cheaper and easier to change than clutches.
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Re: Stopping
« Reply #17 on: 02 June 2007, 20:55:50 »

I used to change down as I slowed down, using brakes but keeping the engine revs up, but autos don't do this
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Re: Stopping
« Reply #18 on: 02 June 2007, 21:17:37 »

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but autos don't do this

A mate of mine changes down through the gears on his autobox when approaching junctions ::). Then he pulls away and rags the @rse off the engine for a while before realising that the reason it's not changing up is that he had it in "1" by the time he stopped. :-[

Don't know why he didn't just buy a manual.

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Re: Stopping
« Reply #19 on: 02 June 2007, 22:05:58 »

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but autos don't do this

A mate of mine changes down through the gears on his autobox when approaching junctions ::). Then he pulls away and rags the @rse off the engine for a while before realising that the reason it's not changing up is that he had it in "1" by the time he stopped. :-[

Don't know why he didn't just buy a manual.

Kevin

that tickled me, i can imagine the embarassed look on someone's face forgetting their auto was an auto!!
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Re: Stopping
« Reply #20 on: 02 June 2007, 22:35:22 »

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but autos don't do this

A mate of mine changes down through the gears on his autobox when approaching junctions ::). Then he pulls away and rags the @rse off the engine for a while before realising that the reason it's not changing up is that he had it in "1" by the time he stopped. :-[

Don't know why he didn't just buy a manual.

Kevin
We've all done it  :-[
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Re: Stopping
« Reply #21 on: 02 June 2007, 22:47:58 »

My mother uses the gears - I'm a brake man myself. :y
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Re: Stopping
« Reply #22 on: 02 June 2007, 22:58:26 »

In a manual i would use both brake and gears to help each other :y
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Re: Stopping
« Reply #23 on: 02 June 2007, 23:14:34 »

I have to admit i heel and toe it down the gears on the approach to roundabouts in the Westfield, but only because it makes a nice sound when I blip the throttle!

On the whole I'm in favour of using the brakes and then selecting an appropriate gear when I know I'm moving off. However, it's worth bearing in mind that if you change down as necessary to keep the engine revs above 1500 or so on the overrun when slowing down, you'll keep the injection system in overrun cut fuel and you will save a little fuel.

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Re: Stopping
« Reply #24 on: 03 June 2007, 00:21:36 »

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Those of us taught 20 odd years ago, with no update training, will probably still use the older gearbox method.  Nowadays, using the brake is the preferred way due to economy, better braking systems, and it brings on stop lamps to warn following drivers.

Obviously, using the gears is still advisable sometimes, such as steep downhill gradients etc...
:)I was going to say that!  8-)
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Re: Stopping
« Reply #25 on: 03 June 2007, 00:39:20 »

A track technique I learnt some 20 years ago... brake hard when approaching the corner, drop the gear and accelerate hard through the band.

Reason?

1. Changing gears involves a (brief) period of no power to the wheels. If you shift down while the car is slowing anyway, you do not loose-out on forward momentum. If, however, you shift down after the bend when you are ready to accelerate again, you loose a precious fraction of a second when you need it most. So make use of the braking period to have the car prepared in the right gear for the acceleration when coming out of the bend.

2. When you brake, the centre of gravity moves forward, and the weight is off the rear of the car. When you accelerate, the centre of gravity moved backwards and increases the weight on the rear thus holding down the rear wheels. The technique is meant to reduce overseer on RWD cars.

3. Shifting gears while inside the bend is serious no-no, a vehicle is controlled by both braking and accelerating, so having the wheels disconnected from the engine even briefly reduces your control of the car (remember, we are talking track here, not your local Tesco roundabout) and you do not want that to happen mid-corner...

So in short it is brake into the bend, shift down just as you enter the bend, and then accelerate hard through the bend and shift up when redlining in the straight.. Not sure if this is applicable to the road...





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Re: Stopping
« Reply #26 on: 03 June 2007, 00:41:14 »

When i passed my driving test many, many moons ago, i was taught to use the gearbox to slow down. Been doing it ever since, but when i took tmy Lgv test i was told not to use the gears but to drop from 6th to 4th etc. I did not like this method but listened as it was the norm. Giving choice i drive my way, as long as i am in control and as we can all agree, unless we drive like a bloody maniac us older users tend to drive more slowly. Ha, ha.. A fact of life.. Until the sun is out and the shades are on and good music on the radio/CD. Then its back to ................ ;D
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Re: Stopping
« Reply #27 on: 03 June 2007, 12:43:05 »

lets say you're doing 40, someone pulls out in front of you and you have to slam on emergency stop style, would you wrench through the gears as quick as you can???  ;D
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Re: Stopping
« Reply #28 on: 03 June 2007, 20:33:12 »

When i passed my HGV some 20 odd years ago i was made to come down through all the gears........ some sixteen of the bugger's however they changed the method a few years later encouraging block changing and more use of the brakes.
Many years later while working for the old bill i took one of there pursuit driving courses which told me to brake and then select the right gear for the exit as hotel has already said, another great tip shown to me then was looking to see how quickly a bend could be safely driven by watching how quickly the inner and outer edge of the road opend up, this was one of the best bit of driving advice i have ever been given and i'm sure Hotel and Dean you know what i am talking about :y
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Re: Stopping
« Reply #29 on: 04 June 2007, 18:40:34 »

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...... another great tip shown to me then was looking to see how quickly a bend could be safely driven by watching how quickly the inner and outer edge of the road opend up, this was one of the best bit of driving advice i have ever been given and i'm sure Hotel and Dean you know what i am talking about :y

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