Topic: traffic info for sat nav on 2015 (Read 5708 times)

feeutfo · « **on:** 30 October 2008, 00:13:19 »

it has most things on the sat nav but how do you get traffic info involved on the route planner? Is it possible. I saw a post a long while back about an option being grayed out and needing to subscribe. Can see the greyed out box but how do you subscribe? I think its a 2001 disc. Ta.

VXL V6 · « **Reply #1 on:** 30 October 2008, 01:15:20 »

TMC is only overlayed on a few stations (Classic for one), never enabled on the UK versions of Navteq AFAIK

Weds · « **Reply #2 on:** 30 October 2008, 10:43:58 »

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TMC is only overlayed on a few stations (Classic for one), never enabled on the UK versions of Navteq AFAIK

Works fine in France, when I was, there but not in Uk :-(

TheBoy · « **Reply #3 on:** 30 October 2008, 18:14:27 »

Classic FM is only station with TMC. TMC in UK is encrypted, so needs a map disk which has the TM licence on it.

feeutfo · « **Reply #4 on:** 30 October 2008, 18:22:10 »

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Classic FM is only station with TMC. TMC in UK is encrypted, so needs a map disk which has the TM licence on it.

How can i tell if my disc has it? I presume the fact that the box is greyed means its not on the disc? And that new disc is needed with it on? Then i have to listen to classic fm all day?

TheBoy · « **Reply #5 on:** 30 October 2008, 18:47:50 »

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Classic FM is only station with TMC. TMC in UK is encrypted, so needs a map disk which has the TM licence on it.
How can i tell if my disc has it? I presume the fact that the box is greyed means its not on the disc? And that new disc is needed with it on? Then i have to listen to classic fm all day?

Your disk won't have it - never seen one with it.

Option not grey out on mine, its just it never shows anything, even if I go in to TMC msgs, though it does prompt me to retune to TMC enabled station all the bloody time

Yes, it has to be tuned to Classic, so your choice is Classic, CDs, or no TMC

NickA · « **Reply #6 on:** 30 October 2008, 23:31:03 »

It's a real pain it doesn't work in the UK especially when you see how effective it is when driving in France. The map is marked with the roadworks/holdups and the Satnav offers to divert you around any really major holdups. The TMC messages are pretty useful as well.

feeutfo · « **Reply #7 on:** 31 October 2008, 00:22:15 »

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Classic FM is only station with TMC. TMC in UK is encrypted, so needs a map disk which has the TM licence on it.
How can i tell if my disc has it? I presume the fact that the box is greyed means its not on the disc? And that new disc is needed with it on? Then i have to listen to classic fm all day?
Your disk won't have it - never seen one with it.

Option not grey out on mine, its just it never shows anything, even if I go in to TMC msgs, though it does prompt me to retune to TMC enabled station all the bloody time

Yes, it has to be tuned to Classic, so your choice is Classic, CDs, or no TMC

Its Tmc messages thats greyed out in the menu, i checked on the way home tonight,i cant select it. Still a bit confused tbh. You tune to classic and the message appears in tmc messages? You select it and the traffic appears on the screen? Is that how it works. Except it doesnt work in this country? Aye?
Does it work at all, or not?

Dave DND · « **Reply #8 on:** 31 October 2008, 08:28:23 »

Cant really speak for the Omega on this one, but generally the following would apply.

TMC is broadcast in the UK via the Classic FM network, but unlike the rest of Europe where it is free, surprise surprise, in the UK we have to pay for it on a subscription basis.

This is generally done via the purchase of a Navigation software disc with the subscription fees included. ten years ago, when you bought an updated software disc, there were often two versions available, one with TMC and one without, and you paid accordingly. Most Navigation systems nowadays automatically have TMC included in the software as they found that automatically including it at the time of purchase was the only way that anybody ever received any revenue for it.

Again, going back ten years, Some of the Philips and Carin systems (unsure about Omega?) certainly had the TMC logo shown on the screens, but it would not work unless you purchased an external TMC receiver and aerial that came with its own software - this continued on most of the Early VDO / VDO-Dayton systems also - although like many other dealers around the country, we were left with them in our stockrooms gathering dust for the same reasons - in the early days of TMC nobody wanted to pay extra for it.

Although commonplace now, unsure if TMC software (or any hardware if required) would be retrospectively available for what now could be considered a very old and near obsolete system?

:-/

Weds · « **Reply #9 on:** 31 October 2008, 09:47:47 »

My TMC working in France last year, coming into Le Mans a week before the 24hr race (it was qualifying weekend) The red/white dashed line and the exclamations marked triangles are the warnings..

Dave DND · « **Reply #10 on:** 31 October 2008, 10:31:12 »

Worth having isn`t it !!

I use TMC abroad a hell of a lot, and it really annoys me that we often have to purchase extra bits / software / hardware / licences to use it over here.

feeutfo · « **Reply #11 on:** 02 November 2008, 00:29:34 »

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Worth having isn`t it !!

I use TMC abroad a hell of a lot, and it really annoys me that we often have to purchase extra bits / software / hardware / licences to use it over here.

Ok, looks handy as you say, so Weds has it and its all capable, but, it does not work in uk because... the license is not valid?.... Or...?

I take it the european version of the disc dont work over here either?

Weds thanks for posting the pick. Looks good. Do you know which version disc you have? And is your tmc box greyed out in the uk.? As mine is? Presumably you have tried classic fm?

Should i stop banging on about it, as it just dont work here ?

Albatross · « **Reply #12 on:** 02 November 2008, 01:56:27 »

No don't stop banging on about it. This is a post worth watching.

If I can do anything to work on this I will too.

feeutfo · « **Reply #13 on:** 02 November 2008, 04:26:18 »

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No don't stop banging on about it. This is a post worth watching.

If I can do anything to work on this I will too.

well i did some googleing and looks hopefull, possibly. from the saab forum
http://www.saabscene.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=31640375

seems easy enough according to the tmc web site,
http://www.tmcforum.com/en/about_tmc/tmc_faq/

tried classic earlier and nothing, tmc messages still greyed out in both sat nav and tuner. tmc settings can be selected but all in there is greyed out also. re checked the disc and mine is actually 2003-1 what ever that means/ dont know if thats the latest disc? suspect not....?

when sat nav is on the screen and the disc is removed, the address and route options are then greyed out and can not be selected as they are no longer available. this would imply tmc is not available either on my version??

i suppose if weds can confirm his tmc is not greyed out at any stage then that would help. also what version he and others have....?

How about yours Nathen?

Dave DND · « **Reply #14 on:** 02 November 2008, 08:56:58 »

For the record, the SAAB system was a bit more expensive, and the TMC subscriptions were included at UK and European level. Vauxhall cut a few costs and made it an upgrade that I`m not sure if they ever implemented in the UK, as they had got around the customer TMC requirements by having the optional TMC box already.

It was probably not cost effective for Vauxhall to provide Sat/Nav TMC costing megabucks to implement, when they struggled at the time to get people to buy the smaller box that hid under the dash and did virtually the same thing (and worked in the UK !)

Dave DND · « **Reply #15 on:** 02 November 2008, 09:00:27 »

and you WILL need some form of UK TMC software on your Nav disc if you want anything to work in the uk.

Whether that is actually available, others may advise on here?

Albatross · « **Reply #16 on:** 02 November 2008, 09:15:48 »

I'm just about to drive to TB's now. Will provide an update when I get back.

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TheBoy · « **Reply #17 on:** 02 November 2008, 10:05:02 »

chrisgixer - my TMC options are NOT greyed out, and everytime I turn on the Navi, it prompts to retune to Classic FM, so its trying to do something. However, everytime I go to TMC messages, its always blank. I'll get some photos.

Dave DND · « **Reply #18 on:** 02 November 2008, 10:32:25 »

Might be an idea to include software versions in the replies, so that you can all work out who is running what?

:-/

TheBoy · « **Reply #19 on:** 02 November 2008, 10:36:10 »

TMC not greyed out

but never shows any info

or display anything on map (major roadworks on M1 between Luton and M25)

TMC config (under Tuner section)

No roadworks anywhere

If I remove disk, but keep TMC active, I get this after a while

which implies its receiving TMC info, but not processing them?

Dave DND · « **Reply #20 on:** 02 November 2008, 10:42:40 »

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which implies its receiving TMC info, but not processing them?

Correct - You need the relavent TMC software on the Nav disc.

The screen is even asking you to insert the correct disc so TMC can be updated !!

If you do not have the correct software, you will not be able to use TMC.

VXL V6 · « **Reply #21 on:** 02 November 2008, 11:23:44 »

Exactly the same as mine does, you can also access a list of TMC broadcasting stations and select your default station.

TheBoy · « **Reply #22 on:** 02 November 2008, 11:34:11 »

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which implies its receiving TMC info, but not processing them?

Correct - You need the relavent TMC software on the Nav disc.

The screen is even asking you to insert the correct disc so TMC can be updated !!

If you do not have the correct software, you will not be able to use TMC.

That msg is displayed only when the nav disk is removed :-/

feeutfo · « **Reply #23 on:** 02 November 2008, 11:34:18 »

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Might be an idea to include software versions in the replies, so that you can all work out who is running what?

:-/

Can the version number be found on the screen somewhere or is my version 2003-1 as printed on the disc?

Tb, i think you have a better version. My tmc menus dont have that many options, and as far as i can see there is no way of zooming out to show that bigger map of the uk you have. Will post some pics later, got a bloody 1.9 tdi cam belt to do now.

VXL V6 · « **Reply #24 on:** 02 November 2008, 11:44:35 »

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Might be an idea to include software versions in the replies, so that you can all work out who is running what?

:-/

My Disk is the 2007/8, I think TB's is the same.

VXL V6 · « **Reply #25 on:** 02 November 2008, 11:46:00 »

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Might be an idea to include software versions in the replies, so that you can all work out who is running what?

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Can the version number be found on the screen somewhere or is my version 2003-1 as printed on the disc?

Tb, i think you have a better version. My tmc menus dont have that many options, and as far as i can see there is no way of zooming out to show that bigger map of the uk you have. Will post some pics later, got a bloody 1.9 tdi cam belt to do now.

When you have the map on the screen try clicking on menu then selecting the scale to a larger unit.

TheBoy · « **Reply #26 on:** 02 November 2008, 11:53:18 »

Navteq's site doesn't list any options for TMC, just has the 1 UK one, at £76

Dave DND · « **Reply #27 on:** 02 November 2008, 11:58:31 »

As far as I know, TMC is only transmitted on Classic FM ?

I could also be wrong here, but the other options look like they may be a form of RDS messaging service where you can select or deselect different local information dependant on the route you are taking. Most broadcasting stations have their own RDS message services, and these can often be "desensitised" by using TA / Local or REG settings on modern car audio equip.

Not aware of TMC having that many options, it was only ever ON or OFF ? Motorway or Non Motorway?

TheBoy · « **Reply #28 on:** 02 November 2008, 12:01:59 »

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As far as I know, TMC is only transmitted on Classic FM ?

I could also be wrong here, but the other options look like they may be a form of RDS messaging service where you can select or deselect different local information dependant on the route you are taking. Most broadcasting stations have their own RDS message services, and these can often be "desensitised" by using TA / Local or REG settings on modern car audio equip.

Not aware of TMC having that many options, it was only ever ON or OFF ? Motorway or Non Motorway?

Classic FM is only one in list when I attempt to enable TMC.

Albatross · « **Reply #29 on:** 02 November 2008, 12:57:19 »

Mine behaves exactly like TB's. My disk is one year older than his. I belive that he currently has 2007/8, whilst I have 2006/7.

I didn't have that option at all with my previous 2001 disk.

feeutfo · « **Reply #30 on:** 02 November 2008, 14:58:13 »

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Mine behaves exactly like TB's. My disk is one year older than his. I belive that he currently has 2007/8, whilst I have 2006/7.

I didn't have that option at all with my previous 2001 disk.

Thankyou Nathan, confirms what i thought, even if available in uk with this system, fairly sure my disc is not capable anyway. Will try and source another more up to date version, if only for the map updates.

Thanks Vxl, i found the zoom option under scale as you say, i played with it once when i first got the car and have not been in there since. Forgot it was there.

Over all, its not looking good then... ?
Shame really, i was hoping to enable some sort of traffic on the standard built in system and then forget about this n95 tv out to aux in to head unit idea of mine, to get proper full sat nav features from tom tom thats on the hand set displayed on the screen. I wont even bother asking about speed camera warnings...

feeutfo · « **Reply #31 on:** 02 November 2008, 17:31:57 »

my disc with version number,

tmc from the radio greyed out

tmc settings can be selected

but the options within can not be selected, geyed out, and are fewer than the boys more up to date disc

tmc from the sat nav, greyed out again.

and on the subject of greyed out, whats dyn. route guidance

TheBoy · « **Reply #32 on:** 02 November 2008, 17:36:46 »

Presumably your disk isn't in, hence dynamic route disabled

dynamic route is ability to reroute if you take wrong turn

feeutfo · « **Reply #33 on:** 02 November 2008, 17:55:30 »

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Presumably your disk isn't in, hence dynamic route disabled

dynamic route is ability to reroute if you take wrong turn

disc is in and has destination set and shows the route on the display, just been out to double check. disc must be in to have a route set, as you know. The dyn. route guidance is stlill greyed out... :-/

kevpuk · « **Reply #34 on:** 02 November 2008, 19:58:10 »

watching with interest.....not sure what disc I have loaded, will check....i assume this all applies to the 2013 with CID too ?

feeutfo · « **Reply #35 on:** 02 November 2008, 20:24:17 »

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watching with interest.....not sure what disc I have loaded, will check....i assume this all applies to the 2013 with CID too ?

yep, from what i have read, yours is the same less "telematics" this is a "The Boy" term and roughly translated from can bus via bable fish means...Phone...i think??? :-/

a little update...the dynamic thing is still grey even when its re routeing, just been out in it..

Weds · « **Reply #36 on:** 03 November 2008, 00:11:17 »

Just to add my bit...

The disk i was using in France was a French disk bought off Ebay (probably a copy)

Not sure if that makes any difference to whether the TMC will/ would work using the French disk in the uk. I'll try tomorrow...

feeutfo · « **Reply #37 on:** 03 November 2008, 01:12:09 »

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Just to add my bit...

The disk i was using in France was a French disk bought off Ebay (probably a copy)

Not sure if that makes any difference to whether the TMC will/ would work using the French disk in the uk. I'll try tomorrow...

Thanks weds, that will be another thing to check off the list. :-)

Dave DND · « **Reply #38 on:** 03 November 2008, 08:32:45 »

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Just to add my bit...

The disk i was using in France was a French disk bought off Ebay (probably a copy)

Not sure if that makes any difference to whether the TMC will/ would work using the French disk in the uk. I'll try tomorrow...

TMC will work with most of Europe free of charge, and its only the UK that is subscription based and therefore encrypted.

kevpuk · « **Reply #39 on:** 03 November 2008, 15:48:52 »

Booo ! My disc is 2001 and no sign of a TMC logo either - is getting a more up-to-date disc (eBay ??) worthwhile ?

feeutfo · « **Reply #40 on:** 03 November 2008, 17:15:24 »

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Booo ! My disc is 2001 and no sign of a TMC logo either - is getting a more up-to-date disc (eBay ??) worthwhile ?

Well from the reply below to my e mail to tmc, same people as the link i posted earlier, looks like a no, unless the 2015/13 has 2 tuners?
Dear Chris
Please could you provide me with the year of manufacture for your
vehicle.

Also if possible, please take a look at the navigation CD/DVD this will
tell you whether the disc is TMC enabled. I suspect the disc does not
have TMC functionality.

The unit if TMC enabled would normally have two tuners, one for Audio
(foreground) and one for TMC (background); therefore, listening to
Classic FM would not make any difference, as the background tuner should
be able to take care of this.

I have supplied the details if asked for and a link to this thread. I await his reply...

TheBoy · « **Reply #41 on:** 03 November 2008, 19:05:01 »

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Booo ! My disc is 2001 and no sign of a TMC logo either - is getting a more up-to-date disc (eBay ??) worthwhile ?

Well from the reply below to my e mail to tmc, same people as the link i posted earlier, looks like a no, unless the 2015/13 has 2 tuners?
Dear Chris
Please could you provide me with the year of manufacture for your
vehicle.

Also if possible, please take a look at the navigation CD/DVD this will
tell you whether the disc is TMC enabled. I suspect the disc does not
have TMC functionality.

The unit if TMC enabled would normally have two tuners, one for Audio
(foreground) and one for TMC (background); therefore, listening to
Classic FM would not make any difference, as the background tuner should
be able to take care of this.

I have supplied the details if asked for and a link to this thread. I await his reply...

One tuner, just means you have to listen to classic fm, or CD. Lack of 2 tuners will not prevent tmc, as has been mentioned earlier about using in Europe.

feeutfo · « **Reply #42 on:** 03 November 2008, 19:41:00 »

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Booo ! My disc is 2001 and no sign of a TMC logo either - is getting a more up-to-date disc (eBay ??) worthwhile ?

Well from the reply below to my e mail to tmc, same people as the link i posted earlier, looks like a no, unless the 2015/13 has 2 tuners?
Dear Chris
Please could you provide me with the year of manufacture for your
vehicle.

Also if possible, please take a look at the navigation CD/DVD this will
tell you whether the disc is TMC enabled. I suspect the disc does not
have TMC functionality.

The unit if TMC enabled would normally have two tuners, one for Audio
(foreground) and one for TMC (background); therefore, listening to
Classic FM would not make any difference, as the background tuner should
be able to take care of this.

I have supplied the details if asked for and a link to this thread. I await his reply...
One tuner, just means you have to listen to classic fm, or CD. Lack of 2 tuners will not prevent tmc, as has been mentioned earlier about using in Europe.

Yes, i have been dim again on that point. If he follows the supplied link to this thread i guess that would become clear to him.

That just leaves the other point about the discs tmc functionality. This clearly brings us right back to the start of this thread when you said the disc does not have the license, and therefor is not enabled. I will ask him if an enabled disc exists for uk/ireland and major roads of eu. Ill have a pound on no! So no point buying another disc until we know, one way or the other.

NickA · « **Reply #43 on:** 03 November 2008, 20:14:37 »

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Just to add my bit...

The disk i was using in France was a French disk bought off Ebay (probably a copy)

Not sure if that makes any difference to whether the TMC will/ would work using the French disk in the uk. I'll try tomorrow...

I did try this a while ago, French/German/Belgium disks in the UK. TMC just doesn't work in the UK with whatever country/version disk you use. If TMC is coded in some way in the UK I imagine you'll need a special UK version? Wonder if you could cobble together some form of hybrid disk?
Out of interest I get the TMC icon displayed on some local BBC stations

NickA · « **Reply #44 on:** 03 November 2008, 20:16:40 »

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Booo ! My disc is 2001 and no sign of a TMC logo either - is getting a more up-to-date disc (eBay ??) worthwhile ?

I'd update, the maps are far more up to date and you get intersection zoom! [1] with the later disks though I can't remember which one adds this as I'm on my fourth disk now.

[1] assuming you've got a CID

kevpuk · « **Reply #45 on:** 03 November 2008, 20:33:57 »

CID I have.....will take a look, then, but - tbh - not gonna spend much on this, as it is a toy more than anything (we use our other car for any real distance)

Just look for Navteq discs ? Anything specific ?

TheBoy · « **Reply #46 on:** 03 November 2008, 20:36:01 »

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Booo ! My disc is 2001 and no sign of a TMC logo either - is getting a more up-to-date disc (eBay ??) worthwhile ?

I'd update, the maps are far more up to date and you get intersection zoom! [1] with the later disks though I can't remember which one adds this as I'm on my fourth disk now.

[1] assuming you've got a CID

Which is always sluggish, but useful if it comes up quick enough (esp if 2 roundabouts follow each other) :-/

TheBoy · « **Reply #47 on:** 03 November 2008, 20:36:36 »

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CID I have.....will take a look, then, but - tbh - not gonna spend much on this, as it is a toy more than anything (we use our other car for any real distance)

Just look for Navteq discs ? Anything specific ?

Navteq disks for the Opel Siemens NCDx range

feeutfo · « **Reply #48 on:** 03 November 2008, 21:08:56 »

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CID I have.....will take a look, then, but - tbh - not gonna spend much on this, as it is a toy more than anything (we use our other car for any real distance)

Just look for Navteq discs ? Anything specific ?
Navteq disks for the Opel Siemens NCDx range

Er ... Navtech or navteq. No im not being picky, these two spellings both came up on google searches in the same individual results, are they the same company? Its navtech on the box/disc.

TheBoy · « **Reply #49 on:** 03 November 2008, 22:13:17 »

used to be Navigation Technologies, then became Navteq

feeutfo · « **Reply #50 on:** 05 November 2008, 18:21:30 »

a further reply from my email. Lets see what you think of this...

Hi Chris,

I have spoken to Vauhall, to double check, and TMC was only introduced in 2004 in the UK.

Thanks,
Jon Foxley

TheBoy · « **Reply #51 on:** 05 November 2008, 18:59:10 »

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a further reply from my email. Lets see what you think of this...

Hi Chris,

I have spoken to Vauhall, to double check, and TMC was only introduced in 2004 in the UK.

Thanks,
Jon Foxley

Certainly my 2004 disk (earliest I have) doesn't grey out TMC. Obviously, the system software gets updated with each map update.

feeutfo · « **Reply #52 on:** 05 November 2008, 19:33:12 »

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a further reply from my email. Lets see what you think of this...

Hi Chris,

I have spoken to Vauhall, to double check, and TMC was only introduced in 2004 in the UK.

Thanks,
Jon Foxley

Certainly my 2004 disk (earliest I have) doesn't grey out TMC. Obviously, the system software gets updated with each map update.

I have replied along those lines and that the later discs work in europe but not here. I have asked specifically if its a license issue in the uk. Awaiting reply, but no prizes for guessing the probable answer.

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