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[Lizzie Zoom]

Just waiting for tier 6 down here in Kent,then we wont be able to look at the TV 

What no second rate Christmas TV programs!!.....................How bloody lovey, it would be such a peaceful time!

[Varche]

Did the new variant come from dinghys arriving in Dover ? 

Good question. Better phrased did it come on a ferry/ chunnel?

Of course us on the mainland are asking questions like

Did it escape from the top secret lab in Chatham?

Will it come across the channel to our countries from Britain?

Is it already here but not identified yet?

Sorry Varche, but apparently it is down to your lot:

https://www.ft.com/content/2782655a-0441-4d38-bb03-5c4e67ead110

 

Well, Spain has got form - the Spanish Flue of 1918 is named that for a reason!!   (Actually that has always been unfair as it is believed it came from the USA from chickens and a Army camp!)

Hmm might have guessed. 

[STEMO]

Did the new variant come from dinghys arriving in Dover ? 

Good question. Better phrased did it come on a ferry/ chunnel?

Of course us on the mainland are asking questions like

Did it escape from the top secret lab in Chatham?

Will it come across the channel to our countries from Britain?

Is it already here but not identified yet?

Sorry Varche, but apparently it is down to your lot:

https://www.ft.com/content/2782655a-0441-4d38-bb03-5c4e67ead110

 

Well, Spain has got form - the Spanish Flue of 1918 is named that for a reason!!   (Actually that has always been unfair as it is believed it came from the USA from chickens and a Army camp!)

The facts about Spanish flu are well known, surprised a historian such as yourself isn't up to speed.
It was ducks, btw, and the reason it came to be called Spanish flu is because Spain was the only country where it made the newspapers, because of it's neutrality during WW1. Other countries kept it hush hush so as not to appear weakened.

[Doctor Gollum]

It's irrelevant in Kent anyways, apparently you can go anywhere without getting stuck in a massive queue of lorries... 

[Lizzie Zoom]

Did the new variant come from dinghys arriving in Dover ? 

Good question. Better phrased did it come on a ferry/ chunnel?

Of course us on the mainland are asking questions like

Did it escape from the top secret lab in Chatham?

Will it come across the channel to our countries from Britain?

Is it already here but not identified yet?

Sorry Varche, but apparently it is down to your lot:

https://www.ft.com/content/2782655a-0441-4d38-bb03-5c4e67ead110

 

Well, Spain has got form - the Spanish Flue of 1918 is named that for a reason!!   (Actually that has always been unfair as it is believed it came from the USA from chickens and a Army camp!)

The facts about Spanish flu are well known, surprised a historian such as yourself isn't up to speed.
It was ducks, btw, and the reason it came to be called Spanish flu is because Spain was the only country where it made the newspapers, because of it's neutrality during WW1. Other countries kept it hush hush so as not to appear weakened.

Historians still debate this one.  There are a number of theories about it's origins. Some say it was chickens, with the virus containing genes of avian origin, but others point towards pigs as a possible cause which can now be linked to Swine Flue.  As I stated anyway, I said it was unfair and certainly the bit about it being in the newspapers in Spain is correct.  But it's origins have been identified as being in China (yes, that again!!) with it being first observed in a US Army Training Camp.  It then apparently spread rapidly due to the huge numbers of men fighting in the trenches of WW1, and the very unhealthy and unhygienic conditions they lived in.  When the armistice came in 1918 the virus came back to the countries of the combatants and soon spread to the civilian populations. By 1920 it is calculated by most historians as infecting 500 million people causing 50 to 100 million deaths (depends on who you believe) worldwide.

The current COVID 19 is therefore, at the moment, still a walk in the park compared to that one!

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

My understanding is the 1918 flu originated in a hick farm in middle America.

[STEMO]

This is a good watch

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0blmn5l

[Lizzie Zoom]

My understanding is the 1918 flu originated in a hick farm in middle America.

That is one possibility considered by some historians, other reckon it originated in China and spread to American troops at their training camp via chickens / others pigs!!  As I said, it is still debated and studied by historians and I feel sure it will feature in future discussions about COVID19 in many universities at many levels.

[Doctor Gollum]

Don't see anyone, don't go out, don't do anything...

Ffs, that's all I have been doing since March. All I wanted was two days out to have a pint or two

'dangle berries' to it, I am back off to bed.

Wake me up next year.

[Kevin Wood]

Don't see anyone, don't go out, don't do anything...

Ffs, that's all I have been doing since March. All I wanted was two days out to have a pint or two

'dangle berries' to it, I am back off to bed.

Wake me up next year.

My local brewery delivers free of charge.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Did the new variant come from dinghys arriving in Dover ? 

Good question. Better phrased did it come on a ferry/ chunnel?

Of course us on the mainland are asking questions like

Did it escape from the top secret lab in Chatham?

Will it come across the channel to our countries from Britain?

Is it already here but not identified yet?

Sorry Varche, but apparently it is down to your lot:

https://www.ft.com/content/2782655a-0441-4d38-bb03-5c4e67ead110

 

Well, Spain has got form - the Spanish Flue of 1918 is named that for a reason!!   (Actually that has always been unfair as it is believed it came from the USA from chickens and a Army camp!)

The facts about Spanish flu are well known, surprised a historian such as yourself isn't up to speed.
It was ducks, btw, and the reason it came to be called Spanish flu is because Spain was the only country where it made the newspapers, because of it's neutrality during WW1. Other countries kept it hush hush so as not to appear weakened.

Historians still debate this one.  There are a number of theories about it's origins. Some say it was chickens, with the virus containing genes of avian origin, but others point towards pigs as a possible cause which can now be linked to Swine Flue.  As I stated anyway, I said it was unfair and certainly the bit about it being in the newspapers in Spain is correct.  But it's origins have been identified as being in China (yes, that again!!) with it being first observed in a US Army Training Camp.  It then apparently spread rapidly due to the huge numbers of men fighting in the trenches of WW1, and the very unhealthy and unhygienic conditions they lived in.  When the armistice came in 1918 the virus came back to the countries of the combatants and soon spread to the civilian populations. By 1920 it is calculated by most historians as infecting 500 million people causing 50 to 100 million deaths (depends on who you believe) worldwide.

The current COVID 19 is therefore, at the moment, still a walk in the park compared to that one!

Yep...50-100 million dead from a world population of 1.8 billion in 1918.

Covid sniffle.....so far 1.3 million dead from a world population of 7.7 billion.

My favourite virus/ plague is the black death of 1348-1350. A proper plague.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

Don't see anyone, don't go out, don't do anything...

Ffs, that's all I have been doing since March. All I wanted was two days out to have a pint or two

'dangle berries' to it, I am back off to bed.

Wake me up next year.

Do you have something to keep you warm. I don't mean a hot water bottle.

[Lizzie Zoom]

This is a good watch

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0blmn5l

Yes it is and highlights what I have read and is considered by many historians as being the facts about the origins.  Other theories do exist as I said, with a Chinese connection, but the facts would tend to favour this explanation, with the Avian or Pig connection.

What is certain is that it killed at least 50 million, some say 100 million, others as little as 17 million, which personally I have discounted in the past when reading all the facts.

A fascinating event in history that due to the current situation is even more relevant today.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

This is a good watch

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0blmn5l

Yes it is and highlights what I have read and is considered by many historians as being the facts about the origins.  Other theories do exist as I said, with a Chinese connection, but the facts would tend to favour this explanation, with the Avian or Pig connection.

What is certain is that it killed at least 50 million, some say 100 million, others as little as 17 million, which personally I have discounted in the past when reading all the facts.

A fascinating event in history that due to the current situation is even more relevant today.

You survived that one Lizzie, and you'll survive this one.

[Lizzie Zoom]

This is a good watch

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0blmn5l

Yes it is and highlights what I have read and is considered by many historians as being the facts about the origins.  Other theories do exist as I said, with a Chinese connection, but the facts would tend to favour this explanation, with the Avian or Pig connection.

What is certain is that it killed at least 50 million, some say 100 million, others as little as 17 million, which personally I have discounted in the past when reading all the facts.

A fascinating event in history that due to the current situation is even more relevant today.

You survived that one Lizzie, and you'll survive this one.

    Well, for me more importantly is I missed WW1 and WW2.  Compared to them both, and the Spanish Flue, we have all escaped the real horrors of major World wide events..................well apart from you Opti who I believed lived through WW2!