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[Jimbob]

What exactly did the winter pack fitted to some MV6's consist of?

I know of the wing mounted aux coolant pump, anything else to speed up cabin warm up time?

I drove her car this morning....1st time in the real cold, and it was coming warm within 1/3 of a mile, after a scrape.
Mine takes about 2 miles to do the same.

Both have good fresh coolant, and have been flushed recently.
I'm guessing the AUX pump in mine is tired (it used to run permanently due to a config fault), but wondering if there are any other components involved.

[amba]

I often wondered if you could fit the "extra quick warm up pump thing !!! " to cars that were not originally fitted with it.
Last winter I remember wishing car would heat up quicker(especially as have leather seats and drivers heater doesn,t work ) and read that some Omegas had the winter pack ,so will the extra pump fit and make much difference ?

[Jimbob]

I often wondered if you could fit the "extra quick warm up pump thing !!! " to cars that were not originally fitted with it.
Last winter I remember wishing car would heat up quicker(especially as have leather seats and drivers heater doesn,t work ) and read that some Omegas had the winter pack ,so will the extra pump fit and make much difference ?

I guess it could be fitted, climate panel would also need tech2 update to drive it.  Dunno if the wiring is there though...Knowing omegas..probably

[Seth]

Although I haven't had the chance to look yet, my latest tractor has the factory-fitted 'winter pack' according to the previous owner.

All that I've noticed so far is heated front seats/mirrors plus front fog lights.
Aux water pump? - will have a gander later on!

[amba]

So its not just an extra pump under the wing that is plumbed in !
What would the climate panel need to get involved with ,as surely it just pushes the water around by 12volts instead of water pump .

[Jimbob]

So its not just an extra pump under the wing that is plumbed in !
What would the climate panel need to get involved with ,as surely it just pushes the water around by 12volts instead of water pump .

It doesnt run all the time iirc, its certainly the climate panel that normally drives it.

Guess you could butcher something else in to run it  :-/

fyi part number of the pump is 9120117
brackets etc needed as well....

darent ask Vx the price....sure it wont be pretty!

[amba]

Has anybody got any pictures of what the pump looks like and whats involved with the plumbing side of it .
I understand it would need some control system to function so could well be the climate panel then .
Might be worth a look if its not too complicated to retrofit and the benefit is quicker warm up .

[Zonerc]

So what if you have the pump on a manual operated heater controls as I have what controls it then as ive cant tell if mines working and heater aint much good ,so wondering if its holding the hot water back.

[Jimbob]

It is shown in Hotel21's Prefacelift cruise fitting guide..

as it lives in the same place as cruise does.

not sure if it is a simple as cut a hose and add it in  :-/

fyi £92.50 + vat new!

[Andy H]

Although I haven't had the chance to look yet, my latest tractor has the factory-fitted 'winter pack' according to the previous owner.

All that I've noticed so far is heated front seats/mirrors plus front fog lights.
Aux water pump? - will have a gander later on!

This thread is confusing me and I thought I understood the subject before it started :-/

Diesel engines need glow plugs to get them started when cold but after that don't need lots of fuel enrichment like a petrol engine does. As a consequence they can be very slow to warm up. It is quite common for manufacturers to fit one of these http://www.eberspacher.com/products/water-heating/ somewhere (under the front wing for example) to burn diesel to warm the engine up.

Facelift petrol Omegas have an auxiliary coolant pump that can be run for a while after the engine has been turned off to warm the cabin. When the engine is warming up it might make the heater a bit more effective at dragging heat out of the engine but it isn't going to help the engine warm up.

A winter pack would logically include a diesel fired heater under the front wing. The more sophisticated installations include a timer so the heater can warm everything up before you get in the car.

Petrol fired heaters are also available (but less common).

[Jimbob]

yes..some diesels have the webasto? diesel heater....


the (petrol) winter pack for pre / mini facelifts inlcuded a pump which circulates coolant before the stat opens iirc, to speed up getting heat to the cabin.

the points I was trying to make are...
1, are there any other heating components to this (I dont think so)
2, is my pump faulty / tired (probably)

having 2 MV6's with the winter pack has highlighted the difference in operation.

[I_want_an_Omega]

Having speced one from new in '98 there was no such option on the car  - at that time anyway. The early cars winter packs consisted of heated seats, washer jets and fog lights. The MV6 dosn't have heated washer jets - but is a very easy mod to do as the socket is there in the loom for it - taped up to the harness above the pollen filter.

However, i do know that cars fitted with the optional cruise control did not have the aux coolant pump.

If you really want to get warmed up then get a Kenlowe Hotstat fitted. Takes about 45mins to warm up from sub zero and then gives you a hot engine from the word go.

I fitted one to mine - you still see them come up on ebay from time to time.

HTH.

[Jimbob]

Having speced one from new in '98 there was no such option on the car  - at that time anyway. The early cars winter packs consisted of heated seats, washer jets and fog lights. The MV6 dosn't have heated washer jets - but is a very easy mod to do as the socket is there in the loom for it - taped up to the harness above the pollen filter.

However, i do know that cars fitted with the optional cruise control did not have the aux coolant pump.

If you really want to get warmed up then get a Kenlowe Hotstat fitted. Takes about 45mins to warm up from sub zero and then gives you a hot engine from the word go.

I fitted one to mine - you still see them come up on ebay from time to time.

HTH.

Lol, dont think I'll bother then 

Her car certainly warms up immensly faster than mine...it must be the pump.

[Andy H]

having 2 MV6's with the winter pack has highlighted the difference in operation.

The Omega already has heated rear screen, mirrors, seats and washer jets. I think all the facelifts have the auxiliary coolant pump so the things that could be added for a 'winter pack' might be
Ebersbacher/Webasto pre-heater
Heated screen
Heated headlight washers
4 wheel drive

Is the difference down to one car being auto & the other manual?

Edit: must type faster

[Jimbob]

Can't see an auto / manual making a difference.

I know my pump used to run constantly due to a config error...guess this means its now worn out...