Topic: TECH 2 (Read 3818 times)

JONNYWAKEY · « **on:** 07 November 2006, 17:51:04 »

Guys.

I have booked my meega into the local Vaux dealer on friday, I am having the GBox and Engine ECU software updated.

Charge is £35 + Vat (1 hrs labour)

I have just installed my cruise stalk from Leavalley motors, is it unreasonable to ask mechanic to enable cruise whilst they are updating software? surely they shouldn't charge me extra?

Note: My meega is a 2001 2.2CD Auto, do I need any other parts for cruise control or is it just an enable from tech 2 now stalk fitted?

cheers

John

TheBoy · « **Reply #1 on:** 07 November 2006, 17:52:17 »

depends how nice you are to spotty mechanic that does it

As long as correct 4 wire stalk, thats it

JONNYWAKEY · « **Reply #2 on:** 07 November 2006, 17:55:19 »

Thanks for advice, will ask nicely!

Stalk did have 4 wires coming from the small plug!

Cheers

John

Gwilym · « **Reply #3 on:** 07 November 2006, 18:12:18 »

£35 plus VAT for an hour. That is good! I got charged that for 30 mins

TheBoy · « **Reply #4 on:** 07 November 2006, 18:35:58 »

Even though the reprogramming will only take a few mins, that is a bloody good price

Taxi_Driver · « **Reply #5 on:** 07 November 2006, 18:46:54 »

£35+vat for 1 hour

I like to know which vx dealer only charges that......i suspect thats for 1/2hr labour but is still good

My local one is £45 for 1/2 hour.

Yep i would have thought ecu/gb update and programming cruise should be all done within 1/2hr

PS .... it is an auto isnt it? otherwise you might need a clutch switch

Chopsdad · « **Reply #6 on:** 07 November 2006, 18:50:34 »

I was going to mention to check for a clutch switch - but you have an auto so don't bother.

Cruise mod on Tech2 only takes a few minutes so shouldn't be a hassle.

TheBoy · « **Reply #7 on:** 07 November 2006, 18:52:53 »

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I was going to mention to check for a clutch switch - but you have an auto so don't bother.

Cruise mod on Tech2 only takes a few minutes so shouldn't be a hassle.

But it does mean walking over to PC, plugging tech2 in, authorising it, and walking back... ...depends on how keen the technician feels. Mind you, each ECU update requires him to do the same as well. Poor sod will be knackered

Tony H · « **Reply #8 on:** 07 November 2006, 19:01:19 »

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I was going to mention to check for a clutch switch - but you have an auto so don't bother.

Cruise mod on Tech2 only takes a few minutes so shouldn't be a hassle.
But it does mean walking over to PC, plugging tech2 in, authorising it, and walking back... ...depends on how keen the technician feels. Mind you, each ECU update requires him to do the same as well. Poor sod will be knackered

Didn't yo miss out the exausting task of pushing a few bottons?

TheBoy · « **Reply #9 on:** 07 November 2006, 19:06:57 »

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I was going to mention to check for a clutch switch - but you have an auto so don't bother.

Cruise mod on Tech2 only takes a few minutes so shouldn't be a hassle.
But it does mean walking over to PC, plugging tech2 in, authorising it, and walking back... ...depends on how keen the technician feels. Mind you, each ECU update requires him to do the same as well. Poor sod will be knackered
Didn't yo miss out the exausting task of pushing a few bottons?

and reaching down to plug it in...

Jimbob · « **Reply #10 on:** 08 November 2006, 08:04:23 »

You could always wait till he's done the update then say "oi my cruise doesnt work anymore, what have you done to it?"

TheBoy · « **Reply #11 on:** 08 November 2006, 09:56:46 »

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You could always wait till he's done the update then say "oi my cruise doesnt work anymore, what have you done to it?"

Only if the mechanic has multiple brain cells, he will know it doesn't affect variant coding....

Jimbob · « **Reply #12 on:** 08 November 2006, 10:12:55 »

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You could always wait till he's done the update then say "oi my cruise doesnt work anymore, what have you done to it?"
Only if the mechanic has multiple brain cells, he will know it doesn't affect variant coding....

Yeah, but these are vauxhall mechanics, so no problem!

TheBoy · « **Reply #13 on:** 08 November 2006, 10:42:34 »

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You could always wait till he's done the update then say "oi my cruise doesnt work anymore, what have you done to it?"
Only if the mechanic has multiple brain cells, he will know it doesn't affect variant coding....

Yeah, but these are vauxhall mechanics, so no problem!

Might work if mechanic has never done it before...

JONNYWAKEY · « **Reply #14 on:** 10 November 2006, 16:06:43 »

Just arrived home from vauxhall dealer.

They had the car 1 and a quarter hours and updated the ecu software, fitted new headlight bulb and enabled cruise control, they charged me £35.78p

On way home, checked cruise control, still not working ! remains a mystery.

Still good value!

TheBoy · « **Reply #15 on:** 10 November 2006, 16:11:31 »

Faulty stalk, faulty clutch switch, faulty brake switch. Or user error...

JONNYWAKEY · « **Reply #16 on:** 10 November 2006, 16:17:43 »

cruise stalk from Leavalley motors, hopefully tested before despatch.

Car is an auto so cruise switch not reqd!

Brake switch i assume is okay.

SVS Light still on car and tech 2 couldnt clear it, fault P0700 Transmission fault still remains, could this prevent the cruise being used?

TheBoy · « **Reply #17 on:** 10 November 2006, 16:19:18 »

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cruise stalk from Leavalley motors, hopefully tested before despatch.

Car is an auto so cruise switch not reqd!

Brake switch i assume is okay.

SVS Light still on car and tech 2 couldnt clear it, fault P0700 Transmission fault still remains, could this prevent the cruise being used?

Presuambly, they then read gearbox to see why gearbox flagging to engine that its not well?

With SVS light on, maybe cruise doesn't work (don't know)

Rock · « **Reply #18 on:** 10 November 2006, 16:22:13 »

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cruise stalk from Leavalley motors, hopefully tested before despatch.

Car is an auto so cruise switch not reqd!

Brake switch i assume is okay.

SVS Light still on car and tech 2 couldnt clear it, fault P0700 Transmission fault still remains, could this prevent the cruise being used?

I have so far had 2 faulty stalks from Lea Valley!

Taxi_Driver · « **Reply #19 on:** 10 November 2006, 21:05:50 »

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cruise stalk from Leavalley motors, hopefully tested before despatch.

Car is an auto so cruise switch not reqd!

Brake switch i assume is okay.

SVS Light still on car and tech 2 couldnt clear it, fault P0700 Transmission fault still remains, could this prevent the cruise being used?
Presuambly, they then read gearbox to see why gearbox flagging to engine that its not well?

With SVS light on, maybe cruise doesn't work (don't know)

That could be the reason then......i know when i had all my probs with the cam sensor and gearbox codes P0700 being one of them......cruise wouldnt work....i know i tried it once....but gearbox was in limp mode as well....

SVS light? ....is that the EML??

TheBoy · « **Reply #20 on:** 10 November 2006, 21:11:11 »

SVS = Service Vehicle Soon = car with spanner light = EML on facelifts

TheBoy · « **Reply #21 on:** 10 November 2006, 21:14:42 »

And to confuse things...

Prefacelifts:
Picture of engine with lightning strike = EML
Picture of Exhaust with heat haze = Emmissions problem

Facelifts:
Picture of car with spanner = EML
Picture of engine with ligthning strike = Emmissions problem

Nice and consistent. Not.

Taxi_Driver · « **Reply #22 on:** 11 November 2006, 08:03:23 »

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SVS = Service Vehicle Soon = car with spanner light = EML on facelifts

Ah rite , cheers Jaime, as Jonny's is a 2.2 its his EML on then.

Strange a Tech2 couldnt clear it....i assume then the fault is present then all time, reason code wont clear.
Agree with Jaime, gearbox ecu needs to be read to find out why its not happy

Oh btw the engine symbol on a facelift doesnt have the lightning strike, just piccy of engine

But still confusing i have to admit

JONNYWAKEY · « **Reply #23 on:** 24 November 2006, 19:45:31 »

Guys

My EML is still on, still getting P0700 fault and P1700 Transmission Indeterminate Failure (Failed to Neutral) what does this mean.

I am really fed up of vauxhall telling me they can't read gearbox ecu. I am sending Transmission Control Module off for test to see if thats at fault (Is that the ECU?)

Does anyone know of someone with Tech 2 in Nottingham area as I am really desperate, considering getting rid of meega although I love it to bits!

Help pleeeeeeeeeeeeease.

TheBoy · « **Reply #24 on:** 24 November 2006, 20:08:33 »

The error codes are just saying another system has an error, and can engine go into a limp mode to reduce power.

The error code may be in g/box ecu...

However, Taxi Driver had these faults, with no code store in g/box - turned out to be failed cam sensor.... (despite fact that dealer had changed it) ...however, iirc, he was also getting intermittent P0340 (cam sensor/hall sensor)

Markjay · « **Reply #25 on:** 24 November 2006, 20:39:26 »

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Just arrived home from vauxhall dealer.

They had the car 1 and a quarter hours and updated the ecu software, fitted new headlight bulb and enabled cruise control, they charged me £35.78p

On way home, checked cruise control, still not working ! remains a mystery.

Still good value!

Good value? they are barking mad, at this rate they will go out of business (or have their garage torched by angry Vx dealers from around the country)

Worth a trip up to Bilsthorpe that one!

It's a hundred quid in London

JONNYWAKEY · « **Reply #26 on:** 24 November 2006, 21:06:25 »

Thanks for the reply!

I had a new camshaft sensor fitted last month, and new MAF sensor, do you know anyone who can read purely the gearbox ecu ?

Markjay · « **Reply #27 on:** 25 November 2006, 00:08:39 »

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Thanks for the reply!

I had a new camshaft sensor fitted last month, and new MAF sensor, do you know anyone who can read purely the gearbox ecu ?

If TheBoy can't read it with his Tech2, no one can...

Taxi_Driver · « **Reply #28 on:** 25 November 2006, 09:19:33 »

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The error codes are just saying another system has an error, and can engine go into a limp mode to reduce power.

The error code may be in g/box ecu...

However, Taxi Driver had these faults, with no code store in g/box - turned out to be failed cam sensor.... (despite fact that dealer had changed it) ...however, iirc, he was also getting intermittent P0340 (cam sensor/hall sensor)

I was getting codes in the g/b ecu, two of them, forget what the codes where now, but they were can bus errors. Dealer hadnt changed the cam sensor. he just lied to me and told me he had!

Taxi_Driver · « **Reply #29 on:** 25 November 2006, 09:23:55 »

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Thanks for the reply!

I had a new camshaft sensor fitted last month, and new MAF sensor, do you know anyone who can read purely the gearbox ecu ?

I would take it to see Jaime's tech2.......if he carnt read the g/b ecu.....then possibly the g/b ecu is faulty

JONNYWAKEY · « **Reply #30 on:** 25 November 2006, 10:59:39 »

is the gearbox ecu the same thing as the Transmission Control Module located in the drivers side door pillar / footwell ?

If so i am sending this off for test

Markjay · « **Reply #31 on:** 25 November 2006, 11:19:33 »

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is the gearbox ecu the same thing as the Transmission Control Module located in the drivers side door pillar / footwell ?

If so i am sending this off for test

Yes it is, but they rarely go wrong....

JONNYWAKEY · « **Reply #32 on:** 25 November 2006, 11:26:35 »

According to Vauxhall dealer the P0700 Code and P1700 code only point to the gearbox ECU.

I can get this tested for £35 at www.Autotekelectronics.co.uk

Think it's worth paying for.

When car is running okay the gearbox changes really well and smooth, if it was a gearbox mechanical failure it would be contstant where as an electrical fault is going to be intermittant.

TheBoy · « **Reply #33 on:** 25 November 2006, 11:30:41 »

See Taxi Driver's response earlier - do not rule out cam sensor! I think Auto Addict had similar problem as well on his 2.2

Markjay · « **Reply #34 on:** 25 November 2006, 13:24:21 »

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According to Vauxhall dealer the P0700 Code and P1700 code only point to the gearbox ECU.

I can get this tested for £35 at www.Autotekelectronics.co.uk

Think it's worth paying for.

When car is running okay the gearbox changes really well and smooth, if it was a gearbox mechanical failure it would be contstant where as an electrical fault is going to be intermittant.

Apparently these are for Simtec management system codes:

P1700 - Transmission control module (TCM) - service request signal, probable cause: ECM, TCM
P0700 - Transmission control module (TCM) - malfunction, probable cause: wiring, ECM, PCM, TCM

Just keep in mind that the error codes can be misleading, it does not always point to the source of the problem but rather to the symptom!

Markjay · « **Reply #35 on:** 25 November 2006, 13:26:33 »

Have you done the obvious - change ATF and clean/change the filter? This seem to resolve 99% of auto box problems...

Also check all wiring and I believe there is also a sensor on the autobox that needs checking...

Markjay · « **Reply #36 on:** 25 November 2006, 13:27:53 »

Did the dealer upgarde the transmission ECU firmware? did the problem with the autobox start before they did this?

JONNYWAKEY · « **Reply #37 on:** 25 November 2006, 13:40:57 »

dealer upgraded both firmware, problem was there b4 though, dealer couldnt clear eml for some reason.

Which sensor requires checking on the Autobox ? I had the oil pressure sensor changed last year and had oil and filter changed last month.

Its got to be electrical to do with ecu! I think.

Taxi_Driver · « **Reply #38 on:** 25 November 2006, 14:03:38 »

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According to Vauxhall dealer the P0700 Code and P1700 code only point to the gearbox ECU.

I can get this tested for £35 at www.Autotekelectronics.co.uk

Think it's worth paying for.

When car is running okay the gearbox changes really well and smooth, if it was a gearbox mechanical failure it would be contstant where as an electrical fault is going to be intermittant.

It points to the g/b ecu is complaining of something......these g/b codes need to read to find out what it is......if they are CAN bus errors theres nothing wrong with the g/b......theres something else wrong.

I just look up the codes i was getting from the g/b ecu P1781 and P0727 which are CAN bus errors but it was in my case the cam sensor causing it.
But in your case it may be complaining of another sensor.

Im still wondering why vx dealer said they couldnt read the g/b ecu codes.....I still reckon a trip to see TheBoy (Jaime) and let him use his tech2 on it to see if he can read the g/b ecu would be worthwhile

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