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[TheBoy]

Had a second opinion earlier, looks like HG  

Any preferences for which HG I should use?

Obviously, cam gaskets will be genuine, anything else I should use genuine gaskets for?

[Elite Pete]

Had a second opinion earlier, looks like HG  

Any preferences for which HG I should use?

Obviously, cam gaskets will be genuine, anything else I should use genuine gaskets for?

Oh bugger, thats a blow TB

Exhaust manifold Gasket

[markey mark]

payern head gaskets are very good jaime ! are you sure before you rag it all off ?? have you checked the studs going into waterways ?? :-?

[Markie]

how the `ell did that happen?

[MutantCav]

Which engine does it have??? 3.0 v6?? Would it not be cheaper to simply do and engine transplant?

[tunnie]

bugger  


I have to say though, is it really worth keeping the MV6 going?

Your tractor is far better on fuel, ok not as fast but still.

Plus you hardly use the MV6 any more  

[MaxV6]

ouch.

I feel for you mate.....    but perhaps Tunnie has a point??

[markey mark]

behave you too ! standard mv6 with leather in pretty good nick !! but if you dont want it jaime i will give you £300 with knackered head gasket  

[Markie]

with Jamies knowledge and help thats in the area it will be fixed in a weekend  

[TheBoy]

bugger  


I have to say though, is it really worth keeping the MV6 going?

Your tractor is far better on fuel, ok not as fast but still.

Plus you hardly use the MV6 any more  

I don't use it, because it pissing coolant everywhere.

I think its worth doing.  I like the car.  Bored with driving a car thats only slightly quicker than your 2.2

[TheBoy]

Which engine does it have??? 3.0 v6?? Would it not be cheaper to simply do and engine transplant?

No.  I suspect my engine is in significantly better condition than any likely donor.

[tunnie]

Which engine does it have??? 3.0 v6?? Would it not be cheaper to simply do and engine transplant?

No.  I suspect my engine is in significantly better condition than any likely donor.

Oil changes every 3k for most of its life will see to that, defo worth fixing the engine that is there.

You know what you have to do then, and if you need a spare sent of gadget hands you know where I am  

Get it fixed, and flog that tractor.

You know the only reason it blew its HG is cause it felt lonley!  

[Kevin Wood]

Which engine does it have??? 3.0 v6?? Would it not be cheaper to simply do and engine transplant?

No.  I suspect my engine is in significantly better condition than any likely donor.

Absolutely. Changing the HGs is probably about the same work as changing the engine, and then you're in completely uncharted territory with an engine that could be breaked from day one. If the engine is known and has been cared for fix it.

Kevin

[TheBoy]

Which engine does it have??? 3.0 v6?? Would it not be cheaper to simply do and engine transplant?

No.  I suspect my engine is in significantly better condition than any likely donor.

Oil changes every 3k for most of its life will see to that, defo worth fixing the engine that is there.

You know what you have to do then, and if you need a spare sent of gadget hands you know where I am  

Get it fixed, and flog that tractor.

You know the only reason it blew its HG is cause it felt lonley!  

How could it feel lonely - it has a tractor to talk to all night long

[Lazydocker]

Definitely do the HG... Not too bad to do really! I'd always get the heads skimmed as a matter of course but I'm probably teaching you to suck eggs!!

Are you going to do both sides whilst you're there?? Not an awful lot more work really!!

Personally I'd do them both, fit a quality pattern HG set (do these have stretch bolts? If so then just fit new) and obviously new Cam Belt Kit.

[Kevin Wood]

As it's only had a coolant leak, and fire rings are still presumably intact I would suggest it won't even need a skim.

Certainly worth doing both, as if one gasket has deteriorated, the other won't be far behind it.

Kevin

[Timbuk]

Will it get up to mine? were on a bit of a roll with HG's

[Elite Pete]

Will it get up to mine? were on a bit of a roll with HG's

Prefer bacon

[Timbuk]

Will it get up to mine? were on a bit of a roll with HG's

Prefer bacon

You would

[Marks DTM Calib]

Right

Genuine manifold gaskets (2 off)
Elring head gaskets (off ebay) (2 off)
Genuine cam cover gaskets (set)
Genuine front pipe to manifold gaskets (2 off)
Decent head bolts (16 off)
Oil cooler O rings (4 off)
Coolant bridge washers (4 off)
Coolant transfer pipe seal (1 off)
Antifreeze
Oil
Filter
Three different sealents.

Never found a V6 head that needs skimming yet!

I reacon about 150 quid for the bits and a days work.

[Marks DTM Calib]

Will it get up to mine? were on a bit of a roll with HG's

You done that one of yours yet?

[TheBoy]

Right

Genuine manifold gaskets (2 off)
Elring head gaskets (off ebay) (2 off)
Genuine cam cover gaskets (set)
Genuine front pipe to manifold gaskets (2 off)
Decent head bolts (16 off)
Oil cooler O rings (4 off)
Coolant bridge washers (4 off)
Coolant transfer pipe seal (1 off)
Antifreeze
Oil
Filter
Three different sealents.

Never found a V6 head that needs skimming yet!

I reacon about 150 quid for the bits and a days work.

Thanks M_DTM

Just get the HG, or a gasket set?

Also, chances of the threads on cooler stripping during removal?  Is it worth getting a cooler kit, and reselling on if not required?

The 3 sealants - green, grey, and black?

Aiming to do later this week, with a bit of help from someone - hopefully Fri/Sat - I suspect it will take us more than a day

[Marks DTM Calib]

Right

Genuine manifold gaskets (2 off)
Elring head gaskets (off ebay) (2 off)
Genuine cam cover gaskets (set)
Genuine front pipe to manifold gaskets (2 off)
Decent head bolts (16 off)
Oil cooler O rings (4 off)
Coolant bridge washers (4 off)
Coolant transfer pipe seal (1 off)
Antifreeze
Oil
Filter
Three different sealents.

Never found a V6 head that needs skimming yet!

I reacon about 150 quid for the bits and a days work.

Thanks M_DTM

Just get the HG, or a gasket set?

Also, chances of the threads on cooler stripping during removal?  Is it worth getting a cooler kit, and reselling on if not required?

The 3 sealants - green, grey, and black?

Aiming to do later this week, with a bit of help from someone - hopefully Fri/Sat - I suspect it will take us more than a day

Just get the gaskets, the rest of the stuff in the kits is crap.

You need three different types of sealent.

1) Black for the cam covers
2) Green for the front bearing caps
3) Grey for the oil cooler plate.

With the heads off you can get the oil cooler out still attached to the plate so no risk there.

I have a set of 3.0 heads ready to fit sat on the shelf I can do you as an exchange pair (you would need to buy 24 stem seals so I can re-furb your old heads).

Is the crank oil seal ok on yours?

[Marks DTM Calib]

Ow yes, I have a set of head bolts you can have......and some re-furbed exhaust manifolds which will make the job much easier.

[TheBoy]

Will it get up to mine? were on a bit of a roll with HG's

Yup, should be able to do 100 miles, if I put enough coolant in boot

[TheBoy]

Right

Genuine manifold gaskets (2 off)
Elring head gaskets (off ebay) (2 off)
Genuine cam cover gaskets (set)
Genuine front pipe to manifold gaskets (2 off)
Decent head bolts (16 off)
Oil cooler O rings (4 off)
Coolant bridge washers (4 off)
Coolant transfer pipe seal (1 off)
Antifreeze
Oil
Filter
Three different sealents.

Never found a V6 head that needs skimming yet!

I reacon about 150 quid for the bits and a days work.

Thanks M_DTM

Just get the HG, or a gasket set?

Also, chances of the threads on cooler stripping during removal?  Is it worth getting a cooler kit, and reselling on if not required?

The 3 sealants - green, grey, and black?

Aiming to do later this week, with a bit of help from someone - hopefully Fri/Sat - I suspect it will take us more than a day

Just get the gaskets, the rest of the stuff in the kits is crap.

You need three different types of sealent.

1) Black for the cam covers
2) Green for the front bearing caps
3) Grey for the oil cooler plate.

With the heads off you can get the oil cooler out still attached to the plate so no risk there.

I have a set of 3.0 heads ready to fit sat on the shelf I can do you as an exchange pair (you would need to buy 24 stem seals so I can re-furb your old heads).

Is the crank oil seal ok on yours?

Got a tiny weep from back one, so would presumably need to seperate from cooler to replace washers?

[Jimbob]

Sorry for your bad luck, best of luck with the repair

[Timbuk]

This is the list that Mark gave me for mine


I use this company for the head gaskets (need to speak to them though as you dont want the full kit because every other gasket is crap!):

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VAUXHALL-OMEGA-SINTRA-SAAB-9000-3-0-V6-HEAD-GASKET-SET_W0Q...

These head bolts (I have had problems with other non-branded bolts!):

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HEAD-BOLTS-VAUXHALL-OPEL-CALIBRA-V6-OMEGA-V6-VECTRA-V6_W0Q...

These exhaust manifold gaskets:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Vauxhall-V6-EXHAUST-MANIFOLD-GASKET-CALIBRA-VECTRA_W0QQite...

The cam belt kit from buypartsby (sutton auto factors) will do the job (would need to keep the old backing plate but the rest is the same).

I have had good success in re-using the cam seals (dont take them off the cams) but find the non-gen ones leak....

Then for genuine bits you will need:

4 Dowty washers for coolant bridge.
Cam cover gasket set.
coolant transfer pipe O ring.
2 front pipe to manifold gaskets.
Black cam cover sealent
Grey goo(for oil cooler plate)
Green sealent (for front bearing caps)

I also re-seal the oil cooler when the heads are off as a matter of course (coz its easy to do!) so you would also need 4 of the metal washers for the cooler to pipe conenctions.

Then its oil and filter.

[Timbuk]

Will it get up to mine? were on a bit of a roll with HG's

You done that one of yours yet?

Still waiting for manifold gaskets to turn up :-/

[Dazzler]

Sorry to hear that Jaime, still when its all done with the reworked heads it will be as new again
Always worth doing i feel

[TheBoy]

Ow yes, I have a set of head bolts you can have......and some re-furbed exhaust manifolds which will make the job much easier.

Excellent, thanks MDTM

Do the refurbed heads have manifold studs in - at least one of mine looks to be broken  , or do I need to buy some of them?

[Marks DTM Calib]

Ow yes, I have a set of head bolts you can have......and some re-furbed exhaust manifolds which will make the job much easier.

Excellent, thanks MDTM

Do the refurbed heads have manifold studs in - at least one of mine looks to be broken  , or do I need to buy some of them?

You could fit new ones but, I have enough to fully populate both sets with good second hand items.

[TheBoy]

Ow yes, I have a set of head bolts you can have......and some re-furbed exhaust manifolds which will make the job much easier.

Excellent, thanks MDTM

Do the refurbed heads have manifold studs in - at least one of mine looks to be broken  , or do I need to buy some of them?

You could fit new ones but, I have enough to fully populate both sets with good second hand items.

I'm all for keeping costs to a minimum (without bodging)

[cem_devecioglu]

Good luck with the job..

[TheBoy]

Are these all the genuine parts I need to get:

2 x GASKET, MANIFOLD TO CYLINDER HEAD X25XE, X30XE   24416110
2 x GASKET, COVER TO CYLINDER HEAD (CONSISTS OF 2 PIECES) 90511451
16 x  'O'RING    90411826
2 x GASKET, FRONT PIPE TO MANIFOLD X25XE, X30XE   90499289
4 x SEAL, RING, 16 X 20, OIL COOLER PIPE TO RADIATOR  11076852
1 x SEAL, RING, WATER INLET NECK TO CYLINDER HEAD  9128362
4 x SEAL, RING    12992647

Pretty certain I have the sealants already, might not have the green, so need to double check.

Probably worth changing stat at same time, stick with a genuine stat?

[VXL V6]

Ideal oportunity to make a DVD??

[Martin_1962]

I will need to do mine sometime - valve stem seals

[Marks DTM Calib]

Are these all the genuine parts I need to get:

2 x GASKET, MANIFOLD TO CYLINDER HEAD X25XE, X30XE   24416110
2 x GASKET, COVER TO CYLINDER HEAD (CONSISTS OF 2 PIECES) 90511451
16 x  'O'RING    90411826
2 x GASKET, FRONT PIPE TO MANIFOLD X25XE, X30XE   90499289
4 x SEAL, RING, 16 X 20, OIL COOLER PIPE TO RADIATOR  11076852
1 x SEAL, RING, WATER INLET NECK TO CYLINDER HEAD  9128362
4 x SEAL, RING    12992647

Pretty certain I have the sealants already, might not have the green, so need to double check.

Probably worth changing stat at same time, stick with a genuine stat?

Looks about right, would need to check the numbers.

[TheBoy]

Are these all the genuine parts I need to get:

2 x GASKET, MANIFOLD TO CYLINDER HEAD X25XE, X30XE   24416110
2 x GASKET, COVER TO CYLINDER HEAD (CONSISTS OF 2 PIECES) 90511451
16 x  'O'RING    90411826
2 x GASKET, FRONT PIPE TO MANIFOLD X25XE, X30XE   90499289
4 x SEAL, RING, 16 X 20, OIL COOLER PIPE TO RADIATOR  11076852
1 x SEAL, RING, WATER INLET NECK TO CYLINDER HEAD  9128362
4 x SEAL, RING    12992647

Pretty certain I have the sealants already, might not have the green, so need to double check.

Probably worth changing stat at same time, stick with a genuine stat?

Looks about right, would need to check the numbers.

The dowty ones (bottom ones) are the ones I wasn't too sure of - seemed to be quite a few options with filtering off, but only those with filter on (bit distrusting of the filtering).

[TheBoy]

And to change stat:

1 x THERMOSTAT, ASSY.  90502201
1 x SEAL, RING, HOUSING 9128363
2 x SCREW, M8 X 18, THERMOSTAT HOUSING TO CYLINDER BLOCK 11093601
1 x PIPE, THERMOSTAT HOUSING TO HOSE    90411629
2 x SEAL, RING  90410899

[Dazzler]

How about 4x camshaft seals?? genuine

[Marks DTM Calib]

And to change stat:

1 x THERMOSTAT, ASSY.  90502201
1 x SEAL, RING, HOUSING 9128363
2 x SCREW, M8 X 18, THERMOSTAT HOUSING TO CYLINDER BLOCK 11093601
1 x PIPE, THERMOSTAT HOUSING TO HOSE    90411629
2 x SEAL, RING  90410899

Stat housing should have the seal ring with it.

I have the bolts

I have a spare bridge pipe to.

[Dazzler]

You probably already know this but, if fitting a new stat and housing you will need shorter bolts as they have reduced the flange thickness by a country mile

[tunnie]

re-seal the oil cooler plate and coolant bridge while your down there?

Did seam to be weaping a bit.

[Mike Collins]

The thermostat I bought recently, genuine, did not come with the seal.

[TheBoy]

And to change stat:

1 x THERMOSTAT, ASSY.  90502201
1 x SEAL, RING, HOUSING 9128363
2 x SCREW, M8 X 18, THERMOSTAT HOUSING TO CYLINDER BLOCK 11093601
1 x PIPE, THERMOSTAT HOUSING TO HOSE    90411629
2 x SEAL, RING  90410899

Stat housing should have the seal ring with it.

I have the bolts

I have a spare bridge pipe to.

epc implies otherwise - I'll buy the seal anyway just to be safe