Topic: Omega Colour Display (CID) (Read 4674 times)

pscocoa · « **on:** 04 October 2007, 10:06:43 »

I have posted on CID problems before and have just received a display from Germany. Display is working fine but image is upside down and main dealer struggling to find out next step - i.e. is it software or screen fault - awaiting reply from German seller but can't contact him til later today. Trying to see if anyone out there has experienced this and is there a fix?. Will try also with Vauxhall.

Update

Screen working and flashing intermittently "display safe" (but still upside down) - seems to need a code - so effectivelt Tech 2 not effective until I get a code from somewhere - Vauxhall do not know what to do so waiting to speak to supplier. Interesting.

phil

VXL V6 · « **Reply #1 on:** 04 October 2007, 13:01:45 »

Don't you have to 'unmarry' (Divorce!!!) the old CID unit from the Head Unit first before you can 'marry' the new CID to the Head Unit?

Whatever happens then you definately need TechII somewhere along the line.....

pscocoa · « **Reply #2 on:** 04 October 2007, 13:36:45 »

That's a very good point - thank you - will ask the garage but they should know to do this but then again....!!

much obliged

Phil

Danny · « **Reply #3 on:** 04 October 2007, 14:20:08 »

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Don't you have to 'unmarry' (Divorce!!!) the old CID unit from the Head Unit first before you can 'marry' the new CID to the Head Unit?

Whatever happens then you definately need TechII somewhere along the line.....

even in cars, adultery is not acceptable!

which one gets custody of the CDs??

Jimbob · « **Reply #4 on:** 04 October 2007, 14:20:31 »

I Think you have unwittingly bought an Australian Model.

Go there and It will be the right way up

pscocoa · « **Reply #5 on:** 04 October 2007, 14:42:21 »

Yes - the australian point has already been made - and yes I can see the funny side - dealing with Vauxhall you have to!!

TheBoy · « **Reply #6 on:** 04 October 2007, 15:11:19 »

The Display flashing SAFE means the display is in delivery mode.

You need to unpair your radio from your old display (via Tech2), and repair to new display (via Tech2). Immobiliser code needed.

No idea why its upside down though - no software setting I know... ...assmuning you haven't mounted it upside down

pscocoa · « **Reply #7 on:** 04 October 2007, 15:17:44 »

Thanks - we are just debating whether to unscrew the back and turn the unit round as the holes seem to match up - either way - this may correct the inversion. Trying to get seller's consent.

Thanks - when I get this sorted will do a summary of difficulties faced with Vauxhall and Siemens who have proved very ineffective and do not have a regime to deal with these faults cost effectively. And yet in Germany there are organisations specialising in these repairs. Most retuned electrical items for Vauxghall go to AEL in Birmingham for repair but they will not touch anything sat/nav related.

Phil

edwardmickey · « **Reply #8 on:** 04 October 2007, 15:40:18 »

If I recall correctly, if it flashes, 'display safe,' it can be coded with Tech2 using your car pass.

If it remains on 'display safe,' then you have a problem as it needs unpairing from the head unit it was originally fitted with.

TheBoy · « **Reply #9 on:** 04 October 2007, 15:43:43 »

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If I recall correctly, if it flashes, 'display safe,' it can be coded with Tech2 using your car pass.

If it remains on 'display safe,' then you have a problem as it needs unpairing from the head unit it was originally fitted with.

Sounds right

pscocoa · « **Reply #10 on:** 04 October 2007, 20:01:04 »

Just returned from garage with old unit refitted - (colour scheme has now changed eg red bose logo not visible but colour sat nav ok if still intermittently faulty- will have to follow up tomorrow).

The replacement unit has apparently baffled Vauxhall and they now say it is possibly because the part is from Opel. The unit is identical to the original one in the car and is the part number per Vauxhall - KJ fittings exact

The dealer says there is no need to depair the original unit as that function is just for removing the head unit from the vehicle? Apparently Tech 2 computer will not allow an Ident code.

Question out there if anyone is able to help or is there a tech2 genius who I can ask to help?

Have spoken to supplier - unit came from an Astra G - he beleives that a code is required for my vehicle - the only codes I have on the vehicle pass are the VIN, Security Code and serial no. of the radio.

Service manager advises thast it flashes "display mode" previously hwe thought it said "safe mode".

I need someone who knows which end is up with this stuff.

Phil

edwardmickey · « **Reply #11 on:** 04 October 2007, 22:21:44 »

TheBoy sorted out my CID with his Tech2; mine was flashing 'Display Safe' and needed my radio four digit code to be programmed with the Tech2 on the CID.

After that, there were options to set it for Opel or Vauxhall logo; options to have black background or light grey. The light grey is how it should be set as per the Omega brochure; when headlights are switched on, the Vauxhall logo changes from white to yellow.

Your CID is in delivery mode. Your ECU knows the four digit code for your headunit. This is printed on your car pass. The Tech2 is used to program the CID to the same four digit code as the headunit - should work then.

PM TheBoy, if he can't help, nobody can. Vauxhall Dealers are useless, they only ever use the Tech2 to plug in and read fault codes, charging fifty quid for the pleasure!!

It can be done......just need Tech2 and someone who knows what they're doing

Andy B · « **Reply #12 on:** 04 October 2007, 23:08:38 »

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It can be done......just need Tech2 and someone who knows what they're doing

Therein lies the problem with most of the dealers.

BigCat · « **Reply #13 on:** 05 October 2007, 00:38:22 »

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Display is working fine but image is upside down and main dealer struggling to find out next step - i.e. is it software or screen fault -

I'm assuming that the module is going in the correct way i.e. large connector towards the centre air vents, and the smaller connector towards the steering column.

There are a few possibilities:

* The screen could have been fitted into the housing upside down - very difficult to do, as the short ribbon cable that connects the LCD to the printed circuit board isn't long enough to do that.

* The LCD module inside does have the capability to flip upside down, although it needs a different voltage on two of the wires on the aforementioned ribbon connector. Specifically pins 5 and 6 should have their voltage held high. If low, the display will flip.

They could be low as a result of a broken wire/ bad connection etc. Thats the sort of thing any TV repair type place can fix for you.

* You say the replacement came out of an Astra. Does anyone know if the Astra display is mounted upside down compared to the Omega?
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pscocoa · « **Reply #14 on:** 05 October 2007, 00:52:39 »

Thanks for the input - there is a lot of confusion not helped by Vauxhall's dealer support set up.

I am contacting someone off the site who can possibly assist but the inverted image is a concern and I will have to be careful not to invaidate warranty by removing seal. Will be a shame if I have to return the unit.

Once again many thanks

Phil

pscocoa · « **Reply #15 on:** 05 October 2007, 08:34:23 »

Today's challenge - after the Tech 2 issues at the dealership yesterday the Engine Electronics/immobiliser light has come on and car is now running on emergency programme. Another visit to dealer later today to invesitgate. Not the best week I have ever had

P

TheBoy · « **Reply #16 on:** 05 October 2007, 08:35:41 »

Racking by brains trying to think if its possible to fit the entire CID unpside down in dash. I remember the MIDs etc its pretty hard as you need the metalic contacts upwards so the buttons above work, but really can't remember the CID :-/

And your dealer is not correct with some of his assumptions.

Lastly, is the orignal a CID or a GID?

TheBoy · « **Reply #17 on:** 05 October 2007, 08:38:33 »

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Today's challenge - after the Tech 2 issues at the dealership yesterday the Engine Electronics/immobiliser light has come on and car is now running on emergency programme. Another visit to dealer later today to invesitgate. Not the best week I have ever had

P

Ouch. Possibly unrelated... ...I know coincidence etc, but as said, probably unrelated.

I am about most of the weekend if you wanted me to attempt the pair/depair?

pscocoa · « **Reply #18 on:** 05 October 2007, 08:39:59 »

Definitely CID - question is does an Astra have the buttons at the bottom and not the top i.e the metallic connectors are at the bottom of the slot for the screen? Thought Omega/Vectra nad Astra all the same.

P

TheBoy · « **Reply #19 on:** 05 October 2007, 09:43:59 »

Ident KJ used in Vivaro, Astra-G/Zaffy, and Omega. Other type of CID used in Omega is Ident CS.

The Astra runs a different config on the CID to the Omega - this is adjustable with Tech2

V8S · « **Reply #20 on:** 05 October 2007, 11:10:45 »

Does anyone have a picture of the CID up and running in an Omega, just so I know what all the fuss is about?

pscocoa · « **Reply #21 on:** 05 October 2007, 12:39:44 »

For those not too bored with all this here is an update:

1. Dealer checked electronics system with Tech 2 and confirmed that a fault code needed to be reset which has been done without charge. Running normally again.

2. Interestingly my NCDC 2013 does not have its own code - everything tech2 etc is done with my immobiliser code - even Car Pass does not have radio code.

3. Got parts, service manager and electrician together and confirmed - I have exactly the right part, the Vectra,Omega and Astra have exactly same wiring diagrams on this point.

4. Dealer confident they can now programme unit next week but still concerned at inverted image.

5. One piece of input suggested that the wiring loom from a left hand to a right hand vehicle (the new unit came from a German Astra) may be a contributory factor but we still have to deal with the fact that the buttons connect to the display at the top of the screen in all the cars so no option to put in upside down. Query - does the back of the display unbolt and get turned round which may correct the problem?

If we do this then I invalidate warranty.

6. Price quoted for a new screen at Vauxhall today was £1200 but they may be able to give me 20% discount!!!

7. On a positive note car passed MOT with no problems apart from need to have front /rear wheel alignment checked.

8. Gamble is now mine on connecting/programming and hoping screen inversion is corrected by correct programming. Doubtful.

edwardmickey · « **Reply #22 on:** 05 October 2007, 13:34:41 »

I've just checked my car pass; there is a radio code and immod code; both are the same four digits.

When I fitted my display, I initially screwed the display onto the inside of the dash housing. Two screws secured it - it was probably possible to secure it upside down.

There are grey and black connectors. The grey connector should be nearest the passenger door, the black nearest the drivers door. That is, on a right hand drive car. That's grey first, black second once it is in place and you are now looking at the CID from the display side.

You're probably more confused than ever now!!!

BigCat · « **Reply #23 on:** 05 October 2007, 15:57:20 »

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5. One piece of input suggested that the wiring loom from a left hand to a right hand vehicle (the new unit came from a German Astra) may be a contributory factor but we still have to deal with the fact that the buttons connect to the display at the top of the screen in all the cars so no option to put in upside down.

Wiring not an issue, Buttons at top is a good sign.

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Query - does the back of the display unbolt and get turned round which may correct the problem?

As I said, possible, but would require a deliberate effort, as it would have to be rewired. (i.e.not likely)

Th LCD itself can be set-up to invert its display, but it requires different voltages on the interface connector which could come about as a result of an electrical fault. Ergo faulty unit.

If you're dealer is willing to give it another go without charging you, try re-programming it, otherwise it's safe to assume it's faulty and send it back.

BigCat · « **Reply #24 on:** 05 October 2007, 16:03:59 »

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There are grey and black connectors. The grey connector should be nearest the passenger door, the black nearest the drivers door. That is, on a right hand drive car. That's grey first, black second once it is in place and you are now looking at the CID from the display side.

The only thing I can say for certain is that the LARGE connector nearest passenger or LH door, and SMALL connector nearest driver or RH door. Colour can vary from year to year e.g. mine are coloured black and blue, not grey and black.

TheBoy · « **Reply #25 on:** 05 October 2007, 19:20:03 »

As said in PM, if its from Astra-G, its got wrong code index. Putting correct on may invert...

Only immob code needed for NCDC series, no seperate radio code.

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