Topic: 2.2 Sounds like a tractor :( (Read 1615 times)

Jimbob · « **on:** 07 December 2007, 10:07:03 »

Just had a call from a stranded Mrs Jimbob

100 yards from school, car on accerlation the car started jumping, no engine lights.
drops the little fella off, gets back in,
restart it to leave, car is jumping / shaking, sounds like a tractor
Engine management light lit, and Auto Gearbox check.

She turns off at this point and calls me.

I start it up, engine sounds sweet as a nut, but is vibrating quite a bit.
EML still on, Check gearbox still on.

I drive it home slowly like a manual.
Get the cheapo tech2 and have and old P1613 (immob) and a new P0353 - Ignition Coil 3 Incorrect Signal
Couldnt read gearbox

Gearbox was clunky to change, initial thought thrust washer? or is this maybe a red herring.

Help

Where should I start, check the spark plugs?

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #1 on:** 07 December 2007, 10:08:03 »

Pop the coil pack out and check for water......

Jimbob · « **Reply #2 on:** 07 December 2007, 10:13:02 »

Will do, we did have an awful lot of rain here yesterday

Jimbob · « **Reply #3 on:** 07 December 2007, 10:23:04 »

1 Moral to this story.....get a code reader BEFORE you need a code reader

Jimbob · « **Reply #4 on:** 07 December 2007, 11:52:41 »

Correctly Diagnosed as per usual

Plug 3, damp
Plug 4, Swimming

So now what?
Ive tried the wells as best I can with kitchen towel, and dried cpp pack.
Should I dry more thoroughly with hair dryer?

should I put cpp pack back on and see what happens?
or am I likely to need new cpp / plugs?

Cheers

Matchless · « **Reply #5 on:** 07 December 2007, 11:57:58 »

That should be enough to get it running properly but it could do with a decent run to thoroughly heat the head etc to drive off any remaining dampness or the missfire might return at the next cold start.
Where did the water come from? scuttle / wiper holes? Can you stop it happening again?

Jimbob · « **Reply #6 on:** 07 December 2007, 12:01:01 »

A good question, cant see any water traces anywhere

We did have hours of torrential rain last night (some of which the car was driven in)

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #7 on:** 07 December 2007, 12:01:08 »

Now put some sealent around the rubber that the wiper arm studs stick through on the scuttle.

Jimbob · « **Reply #8 on:** 07 December 2007, 12:02:10 »

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Now put some sealent around the rubber that the wiper arm studs stick through on the scuttle.

we talking silicone or grease?

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #9 on:** 07 December 2007, 12:03:17 »

Silicon (sikaflex is good) your looking to seal the rubber part to the scuttle moulding

Jimbob · « **Reply #10 on:** 07 December 2007, 12:03:58 »

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Silicon (sikaflex is good) your looking to seal the rubber part to the scuttle moulding

That I can do

Matchless · « **Reply #11 on:** 07 December 2007, 12:05:54 »

In a past life I used to use french chalk or talc to track the path of any water leak, if you have access to a puffer pack of Johnsons baby powder then try to get a thin dusting around and under the scuttle. any water drips clean off the powder so you can see where it started from.

Jimbob · « **Reply #12 on:** 07 December 2007, 12:06:33 »

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In a past life I used to use french chalk or talc to track the path of any water leak, if you have access to a puffer pack of Johnsons baby powder then try to get a thin dusting around and under the scuttle. any water drips clean off the powder so you can see where it started from.

I've 2 young kids so no probs

tunnie · « **Reply #13 on:** 07 December 2007, 12:33:02 »

Jimbob drop AA a PM he had the exact same problem, he seal the base of his wiper blades with a special silcone thingy.

Seams to affect later facelifts, both mine and my dads have never had problem with water in the plugs.

Jimbob · « **Reply #14 on:** 07 December 2007, 12:34:44 »

Interesting, although think our is earlier than both yours? 2000?

tunnie · « **Reply #15 on:** 07 December 2007, 12:39:15 »

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Interesting, although think our is earlier than both yours? 2000?

Mines a 2000 on an X, dads is 2001 on a Y.

Dads one was never garged until recently, think mine was by its previous owner but generally mine was left outside too.

Did the HG on my dads 2.2, the plugs where bone dry.

Also mine *touch wood* has never done it either, and my scuttle is far from perfect nick...

Jimbob · « **Reply #16 on:** 07 December 2007, 12:40:54 »

OK, this is a W.

Gonna put it back together in a bit, if it runs ok, I'll send her off for a drive.

New battery to go on, and Wipers to seal tonight.
Will also check the airfilter is nice and dry

Jimbob · « **Reply #17 on:** 07 December 2007, 12:43:20 »

Is it worth spraying anything with WD40 before it goes back together?

tunnie · « **Reply #18 on:** 07 December 2007, 12:57:00 »

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Is it worth spraying anything with WD40 before it goes back together?

When doing the Senny plugs, we put bit of wd40 on the plugs. Forget the reason why, think its cleans them up?

It smoked like a train for few miles but cleared up.

Jimbob · « **Reply #19 on:** 07 December 2007, 14:00:27 »

Was dryish, gave it a spray of wd40
Started and sounded perfect...
So off we went

2 miles or so, perfect, then EML

The jumping and farting
then Check Gearbox.

limped home, and taken apart again.
Think we have found the fault, just more thorough drying required.

Kevin Wood · « **Reply #20 on:** 07 December 2007, 14:17:35 »

Sounds like there's still water lying around, everything's fine until the engine gets up to temperature, then the water starts to vapourise and at that point it gets to places it shouldn't be and the misfire returns.

Kevin

Jimbob · « **Reply #21 on:** 07 December 2007, 14:20:36 »

I think your right, hairdryer at the ready

Taxi_Driver · « **Reply #22 on:** 07 December 2007, 14:23:12 »

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Jimbob drop AA a PM he had the exact same problem, he seal the base of his wiper blades with a special silcone thingy.

Seams to affect later facelifts, both mine and my dads have never had problem with water in the plugs.

Doesnt seem to effect mine.......but maybe, vx modified it by then? :-/

Jimbob · « **Reply #23 on:** 07 December 2007, 16:19:57 »

Had another look (now ive finished work

)

Wells still wet, drive obviously disturbed water.
Dried em out using a cut of piece of sythentic chamois, pushed in with a screwdriver

CPP unit in a warm place, facing downwards.

All drying nicely, will test again tomorrow.

Found where the water is coming in....
The scuttle is in 2 pieces, where one bit overlaps as it drains into pollen filter area, water is tricking underneath and onto main breather pipe area. Just need to dry and try to seal that as well.

Here's hoping that lot will fix it

tunnie · « **Reply #24 on:** 07 December 2007, 16:42:12 »

Jimbob, try cranking the engine with the coil plug assembly off, that should move things around without the need to re-assemble and drive.

Auto Addict · « **Reply #25 on:** 09 December 2007, 08:26:47 »

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A good question, cant see any water traces anywhere

We did have hours of torrential rain last night (some of which the car was driven in)

I've had this problem, it's the rubber seal at the bottom of the windscreen, it needs removing and sealing properly.

Jimbob · « **Reply #26 on:** 09 December 2007, 21:07:39 »

Found the leak, just need to seal it

All dryed out, did 40 odd miles today, couldnt get an EML however hard I drove it, So looks to be fixed

Just the leak to sort at some point soon.

Rechecked codes, and developed a P1403 whatever that is, but running fine

Thanks All!

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #27 on:** 10 December 2007, 08:42:24 »

Very good...... P1403 is not a recognised code......

Marks DTM Calib · « **Reply #28 on:** 10 December 2007, 09:07:44 »

Added a list of the 2.2 fault codes to the FAQ area.

Jimbob · « **Reply #29 on:** 10 December 2007, 09:44:08 »

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Very good...... P1403 is not a recognised code......

Thats the 2nd unrecognised code the cheap has given me :-?

Hows your software mods coming along

...If you need a tester just let me know

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