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Title: Win 7 security rant
Post by: Nickbat on 28 April 2012, 22:39:26
I'm trying to get to grips with Win7. Grrr.

I'm thought I'd try to update some of my drivers. Downloaded one from the net and extracted it to a temp folder on Drive C.

Do you think it will let me update? Access to the file is denied. I've tried changing the attributes, changing the sharing, even the ownership, but I still get the same message and still that bloody padlock is showing next to the file.

Damnable nightmare.  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: Plomien on 28 April 2012, 22:42:32
I let windows update itself but I also use a program called secunia PSI it also provides links to the updated files.
it sounds like the file is protected from the download site
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: tunnie on 29 April 2012, 08:20:49
Get a Mac!
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: Auto Addict on 29 April 2012, 08:50:54
Get a Mac!

Burberry sell quality ones :y
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: TheBoy on 29 April 2012, 09:15:49
I'm trying to get to grips with Win7. Grrr.

I'm thought I'd try to update some of my drivers. Downloaded one from the net and extracted it to a temp folder on Drive C.

Do you think it will let me update? Access to the file is denied. I've tried changing the attributes, changing the sharing, even the ownership, but I still get the same message and still that bloody padlock is showing next to the file.

Damnable nightmare.  >:( >:(
Is it extracting the file, or actually installing the driver.

Former should download to user's Download folder (assuming IE9, if not using IE9, why not?) which the user will have full access to.

Later requires signed drivers (ideally under 32bit, enforced under 64bit (yeah, yeah, workarounds possible)).


I presume you are running as an administrative user (naughty boy), but you still need to get out of the mindset that you have unrestricted access to the system.
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: TheBoy on 29 April 2012, 09:16:42
Get a Mac!
And how will that help install Windows drivers  :-\
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: tunnie on 29 April 2012, 09:18:23
Get a Mac!
And how will that help install Windows drivers  :-\

It won't, just telling him the error of his ways with Windows 7  ;D
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: TheBoy on 29 April 2012, 09:24:11
Get a Mac!
And how will that help install Windows drivers  :-\

It won't, just telling him the error of his ways with Windows 7  ;D
I think you are the one in error here ;)

Fortunately for crApple fanboys, Lord Jobs died. The people in charge now are (slightly) more reasonable.


However, if Windows 8 is released in its current form, I won't be at the top of the queue to upgrade!
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: CaptainZok on 29 April 2012, 13:51:55
Get a Mac!
And how will that help install Windows drivers  :-\

It won't, just telling him the error of his ways with Windows 7  ;D
I think you are the one in error here ;)

Fortunately for crApple fanboys, Lord Jobs died. The people in charge now are (slightly) more reasonable.


However, if Windows 8 is released in its current form, I won't be at the top of the queue to upgrade!
With you on that one TB. I see Win8 will come with the Metro virus preinstalled.
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: Nickbat on 29 April 2012, 14:53:13
I'm trying to get to grips with Win7. Grrr.

I'm thought I'd try to update some of my drivers. Downloaded one from the net and extracted it to a temp folder on Drive C.

Do you think it will let me update? Access to the file is denied. I've tried changing the attributes, changing the sharing, even the ownership, but I still get the same message and still that bloody padlock is showing next to the file.

Damnable nightmare.  >:( >:(
Is it extracting the file, or actually installing the driver.

Former should download to user's Download folder (assuming IE9, if not using IE9, why not?) which the user will have full access to.

Later requires signed drivers (ideally under 32bit, enforced under 64bit (yeah, yeah, workarounds possible)).


I presume you are running as an administrative user (naughty boy), but you still need to get out of the mindset that you have unrestricted access to the system.


The downloaded file is zipped. it doesn't seem to matter where I place the zip file (tried user>desktop>download) or to where I extract it. I can cut and paste the file wherever I want, but when I try to install the new driver via control panel>device manager it says that the driver has been found, but access is denied.

If I right click the file (either .zip or .inf) and look at properties it shows the padlock and although I have tried clicking share with user, share with everyone or whatever, it still reverts to its locked condition. >:( >:(

Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: Nickbat on 29 April 2012, 19:01:31
Aha! Now I've found that it is encrypted (shows as green font in explorer). Is encryption turned on automatically in Win7 Ultimate, I wonder?

I certainly didn't mean to encrypt it, but now I need to spend the evening Googling trying to find out how to un-encrypt the blighter! >:( >:( ::) ::)
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: Martian on 29 April 2012, 19:56:09
Aha! Now I've found that it is encrypted (shows as green font in explorer). Is encryption turned on automatically in Win7 Ultimate, I wonder?

I certainly didn't mean to encrypt it, but now I need to spend the evening Googling trying to find out how to un-encrypt the blighter! >:( >:( ::) ::)
Turn BitLocker off
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: Nickbat on 29 April 2012, 20:37:47
Aha! Now I've found that it is encrypted (shows as green font in explorer). Is encryption turned on automatically in Win7 Ultimate, I wonder?

I certainly didn't mean to encrypt it, but now I need to spend the evening Googling trying to find out how to un-encrypt the blighter! >:( >:( ::) ::)
Turn BitLocker off

BitLocker is off! I don't know why but the main driver folder was fine but right-clicking the actual driver file and then choosing advanced properties showed it the archiving and encryption boxes both checked. Unchecked and now OK! :y   
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: tunnie on 29 April 2012, 20:38:38
BitLocker is a right pain in the bum!
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: TheBoy on 29 April 2012, 21:07:49
BitLocker is a right pain in the bum!
again, wrong. Its probably the best of the drive encryption methods, fast and seamless ;)


nickbat - where did you obtain driver?
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: Nickbat on 30 April 2012, 13:04:26
BitLocker is a right pain in the bum!
again, wrong. Its probably the best of the drive encryption methods, fast and seamless ;)


nickbat - where did you obtain driver?

Here: ftp://ftp.aoc-europe.com/Drivers/LCD-monitors/ (http://ftp://ftp.aoc-europe.com/Drivers/LCD-monitors/) :y
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: TheBoy on 30 April 2012, 17:27:03
BitLocker is a right pain in the bum!
again, wrong. Its probably the best of the drive encryption methods, fast and seamless ;)


nickbat - where did you obtain driver?

Here: ftp://ftp.aoc-europe.com/Drivers/LCD-monitors/ (http://ftp://ftp.aoc-europe.com/Drivers/LCD-monitors/) :y
I get a 404 error.

Is the driver signed?
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: TheBoy on 30 April 2012, 17:28:04
Actually, as its a poxy monitor driver (presumably), ignore it unless you have a specific problem solved by it. For monitor drivers, the generic ones are usually fine.
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: Nickbat on 30 April 2012, 18:46:57
Actually, as its a poxy monitor driver (presumably), ignore it unless you have a specific problem solved by it. For monitor drivers, the generic ones are usually fine.

Yes, it is a monitor driver. As my screen can be swiveled through 90 degrees, I thought the pukka driver would help. :y
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: Martian on 30 April 2012, 20:46:37
I get a 404 error.
The URL is malformed.

The correct link to the directory is ftp://ftp.aoc-europe.com/Drivers/LCD-monitors/
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: Nickbat on 30 April 2012, 23:13:32
Had another issue these evening.

Thought I'd play with my FlightSim and make a fresh install of my airline "scenery" (Yes, I know I'm an anorak, but it makes it more realistic ;)) 

Anyhow, downloaded a few airlines and tried to batch install using the WoI installer. Worked perfectly in XP, but not in Win 7. Basically , as soon as it had written a file for, say a Boeing 757, it would then mark the file as read-only, so that when the next airline entry called for an amendment to the file it would say "access denied".

In the end, I found this tweak:

http://itexpertvoice.com/home/fixing-the-windows-7-read-only-folder-blues/ (http://itexpertvoice.com/home/fixing-the-windows-7-read-only-folder-blues/)

I moved the slider on my UAC down to the bottom, rebooted and everything went ahead smoothly. :y

Another hour of my life pointlessly wasted thanks to the half-wits that dreamed up the convoluted security protocols on Win 7.  >:( >:(     
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: Kevin Wood on 01 May 2012, 11:47:03

I moved the slider on my UAC down to the bottom, rebooted and everything went ahead smoothly. :y


That's what a relative of mine did recently. Cue me round there for a whole rather evening trying to "de-own" the machine so she could get a load of university coursework in on time. >:(
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: Martian on 01 May 2012, 13:56:11
That's what a relative of mine did recently. Cue me round there for a whole rather evening trying to "de-own" the machine so she could get a load of university coursework in on time. >:(
Boot from a live *nix disc and all existing permissions are ignored  ;)
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: TheBoy on 01 May 2012, 21:10:51
That's what a relative of mine did recently. Cue me round there for a whole rather evening trying to "de-own" the machine so she could get a load of university coursework in on time. >:(
Boot from a live *nix disc and all existing permissions are ignored  ;)
Yeah, but don't see how that helps here...
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: TheBoy on 01 May 2012, 21:13:29
Had another issue these evening.

Thought I'd play with my FlightSim and make a fresh install of my airline "scenery" (Yes, I know I'm an anorak, but it makes it more realistic ;)) 

Anyhow, downloaded a few airlines and tried to batch install using the WoI installer. Worked perfectly in XP, but not in Win 7. Basically , as soon as it had written a file for, say a Boeing 757, it would then mark the file as read-only, so that when the next airline entry called for an amendment to the file it would say "access denied".

In the end, I found this tweak:

http://itexpertvoice.com/home/fixing-the-windows-7-read-only-folder-blues/ (http://itexpertvoice.com/home/fixing-the-windows-7-read-only-folder-blues/)

I moved the slider on my UAC down to the bottom, rebooted and everything went ahead smoothly. :y

Another hour of my life pointlessly wasted thanks to the half-wits that dreamed up the convoluted security protocols on Win 7.  >:( >:(   
Bad move. *VERY* bad move. Basically (as you insist on running the machine as an Administrator) you are pulling down the PC's pants and inviting any nasty person to have free access to *anything* on there.
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: Nickbat on 01 May 2012, 21:52:12
Had another issue these evening.

Thought I'd play with my FlightSim and make a fresh install of my airline "scenery" (Yes, I know I'm an anorak, but it makes it more realistic ;)) 

Anyhow, downloaded a few airlines and tried to batch install using the WoI installer. Worked perfectly in XP, but not in Win 7. Basically , as soon as it had written a file for, say a Boeing 757, it would then mark the file as read-only, so that when the next airline entry called for an amendment to the file it would say "access denied".

In the end, I found this tweak:

http://itexpertvoice.com/home/fixing-the-windows-7-read-only-folder-blues/ (http://itexpertvoice.com/home/fixing-the-windows-7-read-only-folder-blues/)

I moved the slider on my UAC down to the bottom, rebooted and everything went ahead smoothly. :y

Another hour of my life pointlessly wasted thanks to the half-wits that dreamed up the convoluted security protocols on Win 7.  >:( >:(   
Bad move. *VERY* bad move. Basically (as you insist on running the machine as an Administrator) you are pulling down the PC's pants and inviting any nasty person to have free access to *anything* on there.

This week, I am mainly setting the PC and network up. I'm moving files about and can't be ar*ed top keep logging in and out. Once it's stable and I'm happy with it, I shall revert to logging in as a standard user. Obviously, I do have a pretty good firewall and I've just bought antilogger software (which I shall load tomorrow). Clearly, I have to be an admin to do all these things, but I do not intend to remain logged in like that on a regular basis (there would be no need to, anyway.)  :y
Title: Re: Win 7 security rant
Post by: TheBoy on 01 May 2012, 22:17:31
Had another issue these evening.

Thought I'd play with my FlightSim and make a fresh install of my airline "scenery" (Yes, I know I'm an anorak, but it makes it more realistic ;)) 

Anyhow, downloaded a few airlines and tried to batch install using the WoI installer. Worked perfectly in XP, but not in Win 7. Basically , as soon as it had written a file for, say a Boeing 757, it would then mark the file as read-only, so that when the next airline entry called for an amendment to the file it would say "access denied".

In the end, I found this tweak:

http://itexpertvoice.com/home/fixing-the-windows-7-read-only-folder-blues/ (http://itexpertvoice.com/home/fixing-the-windows-7-read-only-folder-blues/)

I moved the slider on my UAC down to the bottom, rebooted and everything went ahead smoothly. :y

Another hour of my life pointlessly wasted thanks to the half-wits that dreamed up the convoluted security protocols on Win 7.  >:( >:(   
Bad move. *VERY* bad move. Basically (as you insist on running the machine as an Administrator) you are pulling down the PC's pants and inviting any nasty person to have free access to *anything* on there.

This week, I am mainly setting the PC and network up. I'm moving files about and can't be ar*ed top keep logging in and out. Once it's stable and I'm happy with it, I shall revert to logging in as a standard user. Obviously, I do have a pretty good firewall and I've just bought antilogger software (which I shall load tomorrow). Clearly, I have to be an admin to do all these things, but I do not intend to remain logged in like that on a regular basis (there would be no need to, anyway.)  :y
Your security is defined by the weakest point, not the strong points