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Title: Sterilisation
Post by: Nickbat on 20 August 2012, 16:00:34
How would you feel if your 15-year old daughter came home to tell you that she had undergone irreversible sterilisation?

Would you go mad? Call the police? Call the government?

Lucky you don't live in Oregon then, where the new Obamacare provisions allow for just that. No parental consent necessary, just sign the form (and if you are having it read out to you by an interpreter, as your English is not too good, then there's a box to check). You can't buy alcohol, can't drive a car, can't marry or even, in some states, have a tattoo. But you can make a decision which will affect you for the rest of your life.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obamacare-mandate-sterilize-15-year-old-girls-free-without-parental-consent (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obamacare-mandate-sterilize-15-year-old-girls-free-without-parental-consent)

It's not just the UK that's gone bonkers.  ::) ::) :( 
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: aaronjb on 20 August 2012, 16:17:24
If they're old enough to have sex, they should be old enough for whatever form of contraception they desire, IMHO
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: Jimbob on 20 August 2012, 16:20:51
imho the type of 15 year old that would sign up to that shouldnt be allowed to reproduce anyway!

Darwin award-esqe.

Harsh.....but fair.
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: Kevin Wood on 20 August 2012, 16:25:54
imho the type of 15 year old that would sign up to that shouldnt be allowed to reproduce anyway!

Darwin award-esqe.

Harsh.....but fair.

Outrageous though it may appear that an irreversible decision can be made by someone so potentially immature (and the article references "reproductive capability" as being the criteria, so potentially a lot younger), you are probably correct in that it would simply remove the capability to become a "career claimant". :-\
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: Varche on 20 August 2012, 16:57:14
Informed consent.

I don't see a problem with that. If in later life children were needed then there are always too many waiting for adoption.
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: Nickbat on 20 August 2012, 17:17:03
Can't agree with some of these comments. Supposing the boyfriend decides they can't be arsed afford to buy condoms. 15-year olds can quite easily be led into believing they have met the  love of their life and will do ANYTHING to keep them. They go down the sterilisation route. They get dumped. When they reach adulthood in their 20s, and quite capable of being a responsible parent, they will find that their "informed decision! was anything but.

Being old enough to have sex does not mean you're old enough to take adult life-changing decisions.   
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: tunnie on 20 August 2012, 17:22:47
Are you not allowed to get the morning after pill as long as you are older than 16 in the UK?  :-\

Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: Nickbat on 20 August 2012, 17:26:10
Are you not allowed to get the morning after pill as long as you are older than 16 in the UK?  :-\

Yes, I think so. That I can live with...not the irreversible sterilisation in the US.
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: OOMV6 on 20 August 2012, 17:36:10
Can't agree with some of these comments. Supposing the boyfriend decides they can't be arsed afford to buy condoms. 15-year olds can quite easily be led into believing they have met the  love of their life and will do ANYTHING to keep them. They go down the sterilisation route. They get dumped. When they reach adulthood in their 20s, and quite capable of being a responsible parent, they will find that their "informed decision! was anything but.

Being old enough to have sex does not mean you're old enough to take adult life-changing decisions.

Agree with that. 15 is too young to give those kind of decision making abilities to.
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: STMO123 on 20 August 2012, 17:55:59
I just dont care ;D
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: paul.lovejoy on 20 August 2012, 18:10:40
is STMO really back  :o :( :( ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: Dishevelled Den on 20 August 2012, 18:16:58

Being old enough to have sex does not mean you're old enough to take adult life-changing decisions.


Yes I certainly agree and despite all the 'up to date' thinking on social engineering, that practical realisation should be enough for most people to think this a bad idea.

Did the Chinese not try something similar in the recent past?
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: STMO123 on 20 August 2012, 18:24:39
is STMO really back  :o :( :( ;D ;D
I was never away. I can be whoever I want to by varying my meds :)
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 20 August 2012, 18:26:04
If they're old enough to have sex, they should be old enough for whatever form of contraception they desire, IMHO

I'm afraid its not a measure Aaron.. you can understand your mistakes even at twice ages..  thats completely wrong.. and those decision makers (capitalists ;D ) are all a bunch of nutters :(
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: STMO123 on 20 August 2012, 18:33:31
If they're old enough to have sex, they should be old enough for whatever form of contraception they desire, IMHO
My wife's face is the best contraceptive for me  :(
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: albitz on 20 August 2012, 19:06:19
If they're old enough to have sex, they should be old enough for whatever form of contraception they desire, IMHO

They arent.Age of consent in Oregon (as in many U.S. states) is 18.
No such thing as a career claimant in the U.S. their welfare system doesnt allow for such scenarios.We should adopt it imo.
It isnt possible for a 15 year old to make "an informed choice" to be sterilised.Far too young,impressionable and vulnerable at that age.
I would imagine it would be difficult for a woman to get sterilised in this country who is much under 40. :-\
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: feeutfo on 20 August 2012, 19:48:47
If such a situation arose I wouldn't post it up on here. ;D

The never ending bottomless pit of bitch and moan, no end of subject matter there. :)
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: albitz on 20 August 2012, 19:50:38
Im guessing its pick on Nickbat week again then ?  ::)
Dont see any bitching or moaning.Its simply grown up discussion.,which many of us find enjoyable sometimes. :)
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: paul.lovejoy on 20 August 2012, 19:59:10
i thought i was in gen discussion for a minute ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: paul.lovejoy on 20 August 2012, 20:03:17
maybe OOF should have a bitch and moan section  :o :o that would be intertesting to see the stats from that or who the moderators would put in there ::)
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: feeutfo on 20 August 2012, 20:06:49
Just re name gen chat. Pass the rope when your done. ;D
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: albitz on 20 August 2012, 20:10:26
As said many times before.If your not interested in a thread,or the type of thread a particular member starts,dont read it.Seemples. ;)
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: feeutfo on 20 August 2012, 20:12:23
What, and burry ones head in the sand? Surely not? :)
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: paul.lovejoy on 20 August 2012, 20:14:57
always thought general chat is good wether you want to feel the love read shite of just get something off your chest and have a laugh..........think we all have used it at some point

you just gotta reach out and touch :o :o
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: feeutfo on 20 August 2012, 20:18:01
..,somebody's hand,
And make this world a .....  :)
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: paul.lovejoy on 20 August 2012, 20:19:28
see you big softy knew you would know the words ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: feeutfo on 20 August 2012, 20:24:02
see you big softy knew you would know the words ;D ;D
No no no that's not the next line Paul come on. Oof karaokeeeeee.... ;D
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: paul.lovejoy on 20 August 2012, 20:34:13
better place if you can....reach out and touch

care to dance love :-*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-7qCG2_aaA
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: feeutfo on 20 August 2012, 20:49:05
Er, have I pulled? :)
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: paul.lovejoy on 20 August 2012, 20:53:07
yep get your coat you smooth talking furker

TB i will send you the pics :y
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: TheBoy on 21 August 2012, 13:04:02
There are an awful lot of 15yr olds where a bullet would do far more good than sterilisation. And 'dangle berries' to the namby pamby do-gooders who try to protect them behind being minors. And shoot the parents as well.
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 21 August 2012, 13:13:17
Up to about 1972/1973........many US states routinely practiced sterilisation on girls and women thought to be "feeble minded"

This was often done against their will. Force would be used if required. :( :(

Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: TheBoy on 21 August 2012, 13:23:28
Up to about 1972/1973........many US states routinely practiced sterilisation on girls and women thought to be "feeble minded"

This was often done against their will. Force would be used if required. :( :(
Shame they stopped.

7bn people in this world, due to climb to 10bn by (I think) 2020 :o, unsustainable.
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: Field Marshal Dr. Opti on 21 August 2012, 13:29:07
Up to about 1972/1973........many US states routinely practiced sterilisation on girls and women thought to be "feeble minded"

This was often done against their will. Force would be used if required. :( :(
Shame they stopped.

7bn people in this world, due to climb to 10bn by (I think) 2020 :o, unsustainable.



You're becoming far too compassionate for your own good  these days, TB. ::) ::) ;D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: STMO123 on 21 August 2012, 13:35:45
Up to about 1972/1973........many US states routinely practiced sterilisation on girls and women thought to be "feeble minded"

This was often done against their will. Force would be used if required. :( :(
Surely about time this was done in Africa and parts of Asia.
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: TheBoy on 21 August 2012, 13:47:10
Up to about 1972/1973........many US states routinely practiced sterilisation on girls and women thought to be "feeble minded"

This was often done against their will. Force would be used if required. :( :(
Surely about time this was done in Africa and parts of Asia.
And parts of Milton Keynes, and all of Banbury ;D
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: aaronjb on 21 August 2012, 13:53:52
Up to about 1972/1973........many US states routinely practiced sterilisation on girls and women thought to be "feeble minded"

This was often done against their will. Force would be used if required. :( :(
Surely about time this was done in Africa and parts of Asia.
And parts of Milton Keynes, and all of Banbury ;D

I think of you (no, not in that way) and chuckle every time I pass the sign for Banbury on the M40 ;D
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: Kevin Wood on 21 August 2012, 13:56:10
Maybe male sterilisation is the answer in some of these places. Could have a bloke with two bricks in every McDonalds car park at night. Every male who enters in a "modified" vehicle.. "clomp". :y
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: aaronjb on 21 August 2012, 13:59:34
Maybe male sterilisation is the answer in some of these places. Could have a bloke with two bricks in every McDonalds car park at night. Every male who enters in a "modified" vehicle.. "clomp". :y

Can there be an exemption for those who are willing to go and have the proper (less painful) snip, please? ;D
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 August 2012, 14:02:25
Maybe male sterilisation is the answer in some of these places. Could have a bloke with two bricks in every McDonalds car park at night. Every male who enters in a "modified" vehicle.. "clomp". :y

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: jimac on 21 August 2012, 14:04:49
Maybe male sterilisation is the answer in some of these places. Could have a bloke with two bricks in every McDonalds car park at night. Every male who enters in a "modified" vehicle.. "clomp". :y

Can there be an exemption for those who are willing to go and have the proper (less painful) snip, please? ;D

It's only painful if you catch your thumbs between the bricks.  ;)
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 August 2012, 14:07:03
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/27/video-forced-sterilization-in-america/ (http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/27/video-forced-sterilization-in-america/)
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: aaronjb on 21 August 2012, 14:07:40
Maybe male sterilisation is the answer in some of these places. Could have a bloke with two bricks in every McDonalds car park at night. Every male who enters in a "modified" vehicle.. "clomp". :y

Can there be an exemption for those who are willing to go and have the proper (less painful) snip, please? ;D

It's only painful if you catch your thumbs between the bricks.  ;)

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: mantahatch on 21 August 2012, 15:14:24
Can't agree with some of these comments. Supposing the boyfriend decides they can't be arsed afford to buy condoms. 15-year olds can quite easily be led into believing they have met the  love of their life and will do ANYTHING to keep them. They go down the sterilisation route. They get dumped. When they reach adulthood in their 20s, and quite capable of being a responsible parent, they will find that their "informed decision! was anything but.

Being old enough to have sex does not mean you're old enough to take adult life-changing decisions.

It would if we educated our young adults on life, and stopped treating them as children until there mid 20s. I say mid 20s as that is when those who have just left University have to grow up very quickly. This country is still trying its best to keep young adults as children, and that is the problem. Mother nature decides when it is time to have sex, not a law.
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: mantahatch on 21 August 2012, 15:15:41
Maybe male sterilisation is the answer in some of these places. Could have a bloke with two bricks in every McDonalds car park at night. Every male who enters in a "modified" vehicle.. "clomp". :y

Does that include those with Irmscher bits attached ?  ::)
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: Kevin Wood on 21 August 2012, 16:39:19
Maybe male sterilisation is the answer in some of these places. Could have a bloke with two bricks in every McDonalds car park at night. Every male who enters in a "modified" vehicle.. "clomp". :y

Does that include those with Irmscher bits attached ?  ::)

Hmm. <strokes chin>  ;)
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 August 2012, 19:00:32
Can't agree with some of these comments. Supposing the boyfriend decides they can't be arsed afford to buy condoms. 15-year olds can quite easily be led into believing they have met the  love of their life and will do ANYTHING to keep them. They go down the sterilisation route. They get dumped. When they reach adulthood in their 20s, and quite capable of being a responsible parent, they will find that their "informed decision! was anything but.

Being old enough to have sex does not mean you're old enough to take adult life-changing decisions.

It would if we educated our young adults on life, and stopped treating them as children until there mid 20s. I say mid 20s as that is when those who have just left University have to grow up very quickly. This country is still trying its best to keep young adults as children, and that is the problem. Mother nature decides when it is time to have sex, not a law.

Very interesting and valid statement Manta :y
 
however, we as humans long time ago stopped living in accordance with nature.. :-\
 
because long time ago our ancestors discovered something called "money"..  and then everything is designed with monetary rules..
 
however, by todays standards even you can see big children no matter what their age is :-\  besides as we live in a community its inevitable that some rules must be applied.. or it becomes either like a wild forest life or at least a zoo with no fences.. :( 
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: mantahatch on 21 August 2012, 19:18:04
Can't agree with some of these comments. Supposing the boyfriend decides they can't be arsed afford to buy condoms. 15-year olds can quite easily be led into believing they have met the  love of their life and will do ANYTHING to keep them. They go down the sterilisation route. They get dumped. When they reach adulthood in their 20s, and quite capable of being a responsible parent, they will find that their "informed decision! was anything but.

Being old enough to have sex does not mean you're old enough to take adult life-changing decisions.

It would if we educated our young adults on life, and stopped treating them as children until there mid 20s. I say mid 20s as that is when those who have just left University have to grow up very quickly. This country is still trying its best to keep young adults as children, and that is the problem. Mother nature decides when it is time to have sex, not a law.

Very interesting and valid statement Manta :y
 
however, we as humans long time ago stopped living in accordance with nature.. :-\
 
because long time ago our ancestors discovered something called "money"..  and then everything is designed with monetary rules..
 
however, by todays standards even you can see big children no matter what their age is :-\  besides as we live in a community its inevitable that some rules must be applied.. or it becomes either like a wild forest life or at least a zoo with no fences.. :(

I do agree Cem that certain rules are a must. But there are some areas in the UK where we have young adults who have no idea of how to behave and the only rules for them are there hormones it would seem. If these people where educated in life the idea of having there own children (at a younger age) would be ok.
Instead what we have are our intelligent women having children at an age that is inappropiate and they have no connection wth the child when it reaches the teenage years. This causes division in the family. Where as younger parents can have some affinity and connection with there children.

I am of course no expert on any of this, it is just what I see in my daily life. For example today I saw an approx 5 year old girl cross the road with an approx 2 year old toddling along with her (they where holding hands). This road is a dual carraigeway with a 30mph speed limit. Now on one hand I thought what irresponsible parent would allow that to happen, then on the other hand it could be that this child was mature enough, and intelligent enough to cross the road safely, if she had the right education from her elders. Now if someone was to jump the red traffic light it could be a disaster. But even if a parent was there it would not stop the disaster happening.

Sorry to rant on.
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 August 2012, 19:26:27
Can't agree with some of these comments. Supposing the boyfriend decides they can't be arsed afford to buy condoms. 15-year olds can quite easily be led into believing they have met the  love of their life and will do ANYTHING to keep them. They go down the sterilisation route. They get dumped. When they reach adulthood in their 20s, and quite capable of being a responsible parent, they will find that their "informed decision! was anything but.

Being old enough to have sex does not mean you're old enough to take adult life-changing decisions.

It would if we educated our young adults on life, and stopped treating them as children until there mid 20s. I say mid 20s as that is when those who have just left University have to grow up very quickly. This country is still trying its best to keep young adults as children, and that is the problem. Mother nature decides when it is time to have sex, not a law.

Very interesting and valid statement Manta :y
 
however, we as humans long time ago stopped living in accordance with nature.. :-\
 
because long time ago our ancestors discovered something called "money"..  and then everything is designed with monetary rules..
 
however, by todays standards even you can see big children no matter what their age is :-\  besides as we live in a community its inevitable that some rules must be applied.. or it becomes either like a wild forest life or at least a zoo with no fences.. :(

I do agree Cem that certain rules are a must. But there are some areas in the UK where we have young adults who have no idea of how to behave and the only rules for them are there hormones it would seem. If these people where educated in life the idea of having there own children (at a younger age) would be ok.
Instead what we have are our intelligent women having children at an age that is inappropiate and they have no connection wth the child when it reaches the teenage years. This causes division in the family. Where as younger parents can have some affinity and connection with there children.

I am of course no expert on any of this, it is just what I see in my daily life. For example today I saw an approx 5 year old girl cross the road with an approx 2 year old toddling along with her (they where holding hands). This road is a dual carraigeway with a 30mph speed limit. Now on one hand I thought what irresponsible parent would allow that to happen, then on the other hand it could be that this child was mature enough, and intelligent enough to cross the road safely, if she had the right education from her elders. Now if someone was to jump the red traffic light it could be a disaster. But even if a parent was there it would not stop the disaster happening.

Sorry to rant on.

yes.. I have witnessed the same fact so many times..  Adults decide to make children when their aconomic conditions become better but by that time their physical conditions go worse and their responsibilities in life, keep them away from their chidlren..  An example was me, my mother was a judge and I grow up in the hands of baby sitters and some others :(
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: STMO123 on 21 August 2012, 19:32:12
Can't agree with some of these comments. Supposing the boyfriend decides they can't be arsed afford to buy condoms. 15-year olds can quite easily be led into believing they have met the  love of their life and will do ANYTHING to keep them. They go down the sterilisation route. They get dumped. When they reach adulthood in their 20s, and quite capable of being a responsible parent, they will find that their "informed decision! was anything but.

Being old enough to have sex does not mean you're old enough to take adult life-changing decisions.

It would if we educated our young adults on life, and stopped treating them as children until there mid 20s. I say mid 20s as that is when those who have just left University have to grow up very quickly. This country is still trying its best to keep young adults as children, and that is the problem. Mother nature decides when it is time to have sex, not a law.

Very interesting and valid statement Manta :y
 
however, we as humans long time ago stopped living in accordance with nature.. :-\
 
because long time ago our ancestors discovered something called "money"..  and then everything is designed with monetary rules..
 
however, by todays standards even you can see big children no matter what their age is :-\  besides as we live in a community its inevitable that some rules must be applied.. or it becomes either like a wild forest life or at least a zoo with no fences.. :(

I do agree Cem that certain rules are a must. But there are some areas in the UK where we have young adults who have no idea of how to behave and the only rules for them are there hormones it would seem. If these people where educated in life the idea of having there own children (at a younger age) would be ok.
Instead what we have are our intelligent women having children at an age that is inappropiate and they have no connection wth the child when it reaches the teenage years. This causes division in the family. Where as younger parents can have some affinity and connection with there children.

I am of course no expert on any of this, it is just what I see in my daily life. For example today I saw an approx 5 year old girl cross the road with an approx 2 year old toddling along with her (they where holding hands). This road is a dual carraigeway with a 30mph speed limit. Now on one hand I thought what irresponsible parent would allow that to happen, then on the other hand it could be that this child was mature enough, and intelligent enough to cross the road safely, if she had the right education from her elders. Now if someone was to jump the red traffic light it could be a disaster. But even if a parent was there it would not stop the disaster happening.

Sorry to rant on.

yes.. I have witnessed the same fact so many times..  Adults decide to make children when their aconomic conditions become better but by that time their physical conditions go worse and their responsibilities in life, keep them away from their chidlren..  An example was me, my mother was a judge and I grow up in the hands of baby sitters and some others :(

Did they drop you on your head a lot Cem?  ;D
Title: Re: Sterilisation
Post by: cem_devecioglu on 21 August 2012, 19:38:30
Can't agree with some of these comments. Supposing the boyfriend decides they can't be arsed afford to buy condoms. 15-year olds can quite easily be led into believing they have met the  love of their life and will do ANYTHING to keep them. They go down the sterilisation route. They get dumped. When they reach adulthood in their 20s, and quite capable of being a responsible parent, they will find that their "informed decision! was anything but.

Being old enough to have sex does not mean you're old enough to take adult life-changing decisions.

It would if we educated our young adults on life, and stopped treating them as children until there mid 20s. I say mid 20s as that is when those who have just left University have to grow up very quickly. This country is still trying its best to keep young adults as children, and that is the problem. Mother nature decides when it is time to have sex, not a law.

Very interesting and valid statement Manta :y
 
however, we as humans long time ago stopped living in accordance with nature.. :-\
 
because long time ago our ancestors discovered something called "money"..  and then everything is designed with monetary rules..
 
however, by todays standards even you can see big children no matter what their age is :-\  besides as we live in a community its inevitable that some rules must be applied.. or it becomes either like a wild forest life or at least a zoo with no fences.. :(

I do agree Cem that certain rules are a must. But there are some areas in the UK where we have young adults who have no idea of how to behave and the only rules for them are there hormones it would seem. If these people where educated in life the idea of having there own children (at a younger age) would be ok.
Instead what we have are our intelligent women having children at an age that is inappropiate and they have no connection wth the child when it reaches the teenage years. This causes division in the family. Where as younger parents can have some affinity and connection with there children.

I am of course no expert on any of this, it is just what I see in my daily life. For example today I saw an approx 5 year old girl cross the road with an approx 2 year old toddling along with her (they where holding hands). This road is a dual carraigeway with a 30mph speed limit. Now on one hand I thought what irresponsible parent would allow that to happen, then on the other hand it could be that this child was mature enough, and intelligent enough to cross the road safely, if she had the right education from her elders. Now if someone was to jump the red traffic light it could be a disaster. But even if a parent was there it would not stop the disaster happening.

Sorry to rant on.

yes.. I have witnessed the same fact so many times..  Adults decide to make children when their aconomic conditions become better but by that time their physical conditions go worse and their responsibilities in life, keep them away from their chidlren..  An example was me, my mother was a judge and I grow up in the hands of baby sitters and some others :(

Did they drop you on your head a lot Cem?  ;D

no.. they dropped me on my nose.. and its broken from my childhood.. serious