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[Kevin Wood]

Maybe male sterilisation is the answer in some of these places. Could have a bloke with two bricks in every McDonalds car park at night. Every male who enters in a "modified" vehicle.. "clomp".

Does that include those with Irmscher bits attached ? 

Hmm. <strokes chin> 

[cem_devecioglu]

Can't agree with some of these comments. Supposing the boyfriend decides they can't be arsed afford to buy condoms. 15-year olds can quite easily be led into believing they have met the  love of their life and will do ANYTHING to keep them. They go down the sterilisation route. They get dumped. When they reach adulthood in their 20s, and quite capable of being a responsible parent, they will find that their "informed decision! was anything but.

Being old enough to have sex does not mean you're old enough to take adult life-changing decisions.

It would if we educated our young adults on life, and stopped treating them as children until there mid 20s. I say mid 20s as that is when those who have just left University have to grow up very quickly. This country is still trying its best to keep young adults as children, and that is the problem. Mother nature decides when it is time to have sex, not a law.

Very interesting and valid statement Manta
 
however, we as humans long time ago stopped living in accordance with nature..
 
because long time ago our ancestors discovered something called "money"..  and then everything is designed with monetary rules..
 
however, by todays standards even you can see big children no matter what their age is   besides as we live in a community its inevitable that some rules must be applied.. or it becomes either like a wild forest life or at least a zoo with no fences..  

[mantahatch]

Can't agree with some of these comments. Supposing the boyfriend decides they can't be arsed afford to buy condoms. 15-year olds can quite easily be led into believing they have met the  love of their life and will do ANYTHING to keep them. They go down the sterilisation route. They get dumped. When they reach adulthood in their 20s, and quite capable of being a responsible parent, they will find that their "informed decision! was anything but.

Being old enough to have sex does not mean you're old enough to take adult life-changing decisions.

It would if we educated our young adults on life, and stopped treating them as children until there mid 20s. I say mid 20s as that is when those who have just left University have to grow up very quickly. This country is still trying its best to keep young adults as children, and that is the problem. Mother nature decides when it is time to have sex, not a law.

Very interesting and valid statement Manta
 
however, we as humans long time ago stopped living in accordance with nature..
 
because long time ago our ancestors discovered something called "money"..  and then everything is designed with monetary rules..
 
however, by todays standards even you can see big children no matter what their age is   besides as we live in a community its inevitable that some rules must be applied.. or it becomes either like a wild forest life or at least a zoo with no fences..

I do agree Cem that certain rules are a must. But there are some areas in the UK where we have young adults who have no idea of how to behave and the only rules for them are there hormones it would seem. If these people where educated in life the idea of having there own children (at a younger age) would be ok.
Instead what we have are our intelligent women having children at an age that is inappropiate and they have no connection wth the child when it reaches the teenage years. This causes division in the family. Where as younger parents can have some affinity and connection with there children.

I am of course no expert on any of this, it is just what I see in my daily life. For example today I saw an approx 5 year old girl cross the road with an approx 2 year old toddling along with her (they where holding hands). This road is a dual carraigeway with a 30mph speed limit. Now on one hand I thought what irresponsible parent would allow that to happen, then on the other hand it could be that this child was mature enough, and intelligent enough to cross the road safely, if she had the right education from her elders. Now if someone was to jump the red traffic light it could be a disaster. But even if a parent was there it would not stop the disaster happening.

Sorry to rant on.

[cem_devecioglu]

Can't agree with some of these comments. Supposing the boyfriend decides they can't be arsed afford to buy condoms. 15-year olds can quite easily be led into believing they have met the  love of their life and will do ANYTHING to keep them. They go down the sterilisation route. They get dumped. When they reach adulthood in their 20s, and quite capable of being a responsible parent, they will find that their "informed decision! was anything but.

Being old enough to have sex does not mean you're old enough to take adult life-changing decisions.

It would if we educated our young adults on life, and stopped treating them as children until there mid 20s. I say mid 20s as that is when those who have just left University have to grow up very quickly. This country is still trying its best to keep young adults as children, and that is the problem. Mother nature decides when it is time to have sex, not a law.

Very interesting and valid statement Manta
 
however, we as humans long time ago stopped living in accordance with nature..
 
because long time ago our ancestors discovered something called "money"..  and then everything is designed with monetary rules..
 
however, by todays standards even you can see big children no matter what their age is   besides as we live in a community its inevitable that some rules must be applied.. or it becomes either like a wild forest life or at least a zoo with no fences..

I do agree Cem that certain rules are a must. But there are some areas in the UK where we have young adults who have no idea of how to behave and the only rules for them are there hormones it would seem. If these people where educated in life the idea of having there own children (at a younger age) would be ok.
Instead what we have are our intelligent women having children at an age that is inappropiate and they have no connection wth the child when it reaches the teenage years. This causes division in the family. Where as younger parents can have some affinity and connection with there children.

I am of course no expert on any of this, it is just what I see in my daily life. For example today I saw an approx 5 year old girl cross the road with an approx 2 year old toddling along with her (they where holding hands). This road is a dual carraigeway with a 30mph speed limit. Now on one hand I thought what irresponsible parent would allow that to happen, then on the other hand it could be that this child was mature enough, and intelligent enough to cross the road safely, if she had the right education from her elders. Now if someone was to jump the red traffic light it could be a disaster. But even if a parent was there it would not stop the disaster happening.

Sorry to rant on.

yes.. I have witnessed the same fact so many times..  Adults decide to make children when their aconomic conditions become better but by that time their physical conditions go worse and their responsibilities in life, keep them away from their chidlren..  An example was me, my mother was a judge and I grow up in the hands of baby sitters and some others

[STMO123]

Can't agree with some of these comments. Supposing the boyfriend decides they can't be arsed afford to buy condoms. 15-year olds can quite easily be led into believing they have met the  love of their life and will do ANYTHING to keep them. They go down the sterilisation route. They get dumped. When they reach adulthood in their 20s, and quite capable of being a responsible parent, they will find that their "informed decision! was anything but.

Being old enough to have sex does not mean you're old enough to take adult life-changing decisions.

It would if we educated our young adults on life, and stopped treating them as children until there mid 20s. I say mid 20s as that is when those who have just left University have to grow up very quickly. This country is still trying its best to keep young adults as children, and that is the problem. Mother nature decides when it is time to have sex, not a law.

Very interesting and valid statement Manta
 
however, we as humans long time ago stopped living in accordance with nature..
 
because long time ago our ancestors discovered something called "money"..  and then everything is designed with monetary rules..
 
however, by todays standards even you can see big children no matter what their age is   besides as we live in a community its inevitable that some rules must be applied.. or it becomes either like a wild forest life or at least a zoo with no fences..

I do agree Cem that certain rules are a must. But there are some areas in the UK where we have young adults who have no idea of how to behave and the only rules for them are there hormones it would seem. If these people where educated in life the idea of having there own children (at a younger age) would be ok.
Instead what we have are our intelligent women having children at an age that is inappropiate and they have no connection wth the child when it reaches the teenage years. This causes division in the family. Where as younger parents can have some affinity and connection with there children.

I am of course no expert on any of this, it is just what I see in my daily life. For example today I saw an approx 5 year old girl cross the road with an approx 2 year old toddling along with her (they where holding hands). This road is a dual carraigeway with a 30mph speed limit. Now on one hand I thought what irresponsible parent would allow that to happen, then on the other hand it could be that this child was mature enough, and intelligent enough to cross the road safely, if she had the right education from her elders. Now if someone was to jump the red traffic light it could be a disaster. But even if a parent was there it would not stop the disaster happening.

Sorry to rant on.

yes.. I have witnessed the same fact so many times..  Adults decide to make children when their aconomic conditions become better but by that time their physical conditions go worse and their responsibilities in life, keep them away from their chidlren..  An example was me, my mother was a judge and I grow up in the hands of baby sitters and some others

Did they drop you on your head a lot Cem? 

[cem_devecioglu]

Can't agree with some of these comments. Supposing the boyfriend decides they can't be arsed afford to buy condoms. 15-year olds can quite easily be led into believing they have met the  love of their life and will do ANYTHING to keep them. They go down the sterilisation route. They get dumped. When they reach adulthood in their 20s, and quite capable of being a responsible parent, they will find that their "informed decision! was anything but.

Being old enough to have sex does not mean you're old enough to take adult life-changing decisions.

It would if we educated our young adults on life, and stopped treating them as children until there mid 20s. I say mid 20s as that is when those who have just left University have to grow up very quickly. This country is still trying its best to keep young adults as children, and that is the problem. Mother nature decides when it is time to have sex, not a law.

Very interesting and valid statement Manta
 
however, we as humans long time ago stopped living in accordance with nature..
 
because long time ago our ancestors discovered something called "money"..  and then everything is designed with monetary rules..
 
however, by todays standards even you can see big children no matter what their age is   besides as we live in a community its inevitable that some rules must be applied.. or it becomes either like a wild forest life or at least a zoo with no fences..

I do agree Cem that certain rules are a must. But there are some areas in the UK where we have young adults who have no idea of how to behave and the only rules for them are there hormones it would seem. If these people where educated in life the idea of having there own children (at a younger age) would be ok.
Instead what we have are our intelligent women having children at an age that is inappropiate and they have no connection wth the child when it reaches the teenage years. This causes division in the family. Where as younger parents can have some affinity and connection with there children.

I am of course no expert on any of this, it is just what I see in my daily life. For example today I saw an approx 5 year old girl cross the road with an approx 2 year old toddling along with her (they where holding hands). This road is a dual carraigeway with a 30mph speed limit. Now on one hand I thought what irresponsible parent would allow that to happen, then on the other hand it could be that this child was mature enough, and intelligent enough to cross the road safely, if she had the right education from her elders. Now if someone was to jump the red traffic light it could be a disaster. But even if a parent was there it would not stop the disaster happening.

Sorry to rant on.

yes.. I have witnessed the same fact so many times..  Adults decide to make children when their aconomic conditions become better but by that time their physical conditions go worse and their responsibilities in life, keep them away from their chidlren..  An example was me, my mother was a judge and I grow up in the hands of baby sitters and some others

Did they drop you on your head a lot Cem? 

no.. they dropped me on my nose.. and its broken from my childhood.. serious