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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: omega3000 on 29 August 2012, 14:20:22
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Hi folks hope your enjoying the rain :-X Im demolishing my brick fire place but it has a gas fire fixed in but want it ripped out together with capping off the gas to the fire ... can i do that myself with a simple connection on the end once ive turned of the gas of course :)
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I did and i've not blown up .................... yet ;D
Light the gas fire then turn off at the mains so most of the gas burns off.
Cut pipe back and solder a cap on the end :y
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I did and i've not blown up .................... yet ;D
Light the gas fire then turn off at the mains so most of the gas burns off.
Cut pipe back and solder a cap on the end :y
Aye good tip that ;) So ill need a heat gun then and some solder .... can you not buy a push on type connector like they use on water pipes :-\
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Yes, in theory, but if anything went wrong you would need to show that you did it "competently", i.e. performed the work according to the relevant regs and tested it afterwards.
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Crossed reply..NO, you can't use a push-on plumbing stop-end.
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Someone said to test around the joint with fairy liquid for leaks after ...
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Tools needed
1 blow torch (heat gun not hot enough imho)
1 End cap of the correct size ( I prefare the ones with the solder ring built in)
A tub of soldering flux and some solder
Wire wool
As said in other post
Clean up pipe end with wire wool until its nice and shiney.
If your using the cap with a solder ring, slide it onto the end and heat it up until the solder can be seen round the end of the pipe / cap.
If, like me ::) you don't get a perfect seal first time, apply a little flux round the joint then heat it up with the blowtorch until the flux starts to run then apply the solder round the end of the cap / pipe until it runs round the pipe.
Leave it to cool on its own ................... don't squirt water on it or you may end up with a dry joint and it may leak ;)
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Yes, in theory, but if anything went wrong you would need to show that you did it "competently", i.e. performed the work according to the relevant regs and tested it afterwards.
An important point and, in the aftermath of an incident where the escape of gas was thought to be a factor, you can rest assured that such information would be the first thing asked for (from any survivors).
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Yes, in theory, but if anything went wrong you would need to show that you did it "competently", i.e. performed the work according to the relevant regs and tested it afterwards.
An important point and, in the aftermath of an incident where the escape of gas was thought to be a factor, you can rest assured that such information would be the first thing asked for (from any survivors).
Got me worried...., so
Just had an omega owner round to borrow some tools and assess my gas pipe , he's going to cap the pipe for me ... having looked into what i would have to do im not feeling confident enough to blow myself up ;D Funny stuff gas and only one outcome when not done correctly i guess , thanks for the info though chaps :y
Thanks martin :)
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AFAIK Any disconnection or connection of gas supply must be carried out by a Gas Safe engineer. This will include a leak test before and after the work and a cert to show the work was done competently
Worst case it will cost you £50. Guy I use charges me £25
If there is a stop tap for the gas to the fire you can turn this off yourself and if left in place will not require any other work but must always be accessible
Direct Gov Website about gas safe http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/HomeAndCommunity/Planning/ChoosingTradersAndServiceProviders/DG_4018095 (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/HomeAndCommunity/Planning/ChoosingTradersAndServiceProviders/DG_4018095)
HTH
Phil
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AFAIK Any disconnection or connection of gas supply must be carried out by a Gas Safe engineer. This will include a leak test before and after the work and a cert to show the work was done competently
Worst case it will cost you £50. Guy I use charges me £25
If there is a stop tap for the gas to the fire you can turn this off yourself and if left in place will not require any other work but must always be accessible
Direct Gov Website about gas safe http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/HomeAndCommunity/Planning/ChoosingTradersAndServiceProviders/DG_4018095 (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/HomeAndCommunity/Planning/ChoosingTradersAndServiceProviders/DG_4018095)
HTH
Phil
Thanks phil , i will have a look once the fire surround is out :)
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AFAIK Any disconnection or connection of gas supply must be carried out by a Gas Safe engineer. This will include a leak test before and after the work and a cert to show the work was done competently ....
I'd always understood that you could do what you want on your gas system as long as it wasn't for reward, ie you couldn't charge your mate to work on his gas system ........ :-\ :-\ :-\
Not that I've ever had need to do much gas work, but I've always do it myself. ....... tested with a match afterwards! ::) ::) ::)
only kidding! ;) ;) ;) :y
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AFAIK Any disconnection or connection of gas supply must be carried out by a Gas Safe engineer. This will include a leak test before and after the work and a cert to show the work was done competently ....
I'd always understood that you could do what you want on your gas system as long as it wasn't for reward, ie you couldn't charge your mate to work on his gas system ........ :-\ :-\ :-\
Not that I've ever had need to do much gas work, but I've always do it myself. ....... tested with a match afterwards! ::) ::) ::)
only kidding! ;) ;) ;) :y
I use a lighter to test the joint for leaks
And i'm not kidding ;D
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I'd always understood that you could do what you want on your gas system as long as it wasn't for reward, ie you couldn't charge your mate to work on his gas system ........ :-\ :-\ :-\
It this bit that puts you in jeopardy with DIY
"Homeowners: gas safety responsibilities
As a homeowner, you have a responsibility to yourself and the residents in your home to ensure gas appliances and flues are safe.
It’s recommended that you regularly maintain and service all gas appliances and/or flues. This work must be carried out by a Gas Safe registered engineer, as must any other gas work."
I use a lighter to test the joint for leaks
Seen that done by Gas Safe guys before now :o but with the main tap off. Not exactly and invalid way to test although a tester (manometer) on the meter is always the best way ::)
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AFAIK Any disconnection or connection of gas supply must be carried out by a Gas Safe engineer. This will include a leak test before and after the work and a cert to show the work was done competently ....
I'd always understood that you could do what you want on your gas system as long as it wasn't for reward, ie you couldn't charge your mate to work on his gas system ........ :-\ :-\ :-\
Not that I've ever had need to do much gas work, but I've always do it myself. ....... tested with a match afterwards! ::) ::) ::)
only kidding! ;) ;) ;) :y
I use a lighter to test the joint for leaks
And i'm not kidding ;D
lol that reminds me of the only fools and horse sketch when the van stops and won't start and one of them is under the bonnet checking too see if any fuel is coming through :y
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AFAIK Any disconnection or connection of gas supply must be carried out by a Gas Safe engineer. This will include a leak test before and after the work and a cert to show the work was done competently ....
I'd always understood that you could do what you want on your gas system as long as it wasn't for reward, ie you couldn't charge your mate to work on his gas system ........ :-\ :-\ :-\
Not that I've ever had need to do much gas work, but I've always do it myself. ....... tested with a match afterwards! ::) ::) ::)
only kidding! ;) ;) ;) :y
I use a lighter to test the joint for leaks
And i'm not kidding ;D
lol that reminds me of the only fools and horse sketch when the van stops and won't start and one of them is under the bonnet checking too see if any fuel is coming through :y
;D ;D
Seriously though, to get gas to go bang you have to get the right gas / air mixture.
45 / 55 % iirc :-\
As long as the leaking gas is under mains (after the meter) presure, all you will get is a very small blue flame from where the leak is ;)
I must admit, the first time I saw a gas fitter do that in my house I didn't know whether to run or give him a dry slap until he explaned it all to me ;D
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Gas / Air mixture - bang if methane (CH4) ~4% to 14% roughly,
Hydrogen is worse ~3% to 85% roughly
can't remember the exact numbers, as am not at my desk
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Gas / Air mixture - bang if methane (CH4) ~4% to 14% roughly,
Hydrogen is worse ~3% to 85% roughly
can't remember the exact numbers, as am not at my desk
I'll blame it on the alcohol or is it sniffing leaking gas pipes :D :D :D
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no alcohol for the next three weeks or so, as am in warmer climes, 45 C in shade, ground temp 34 c @ 0200 in morning.
Aslo desk is ~ 2600 miles away at the moment.
Anyway whats wrong with sniffing gas - doesn't make a mess like you get with evostick!
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no alcohol for the next three weeks or so, as am in warmer climes, 45 C in shade, ground temp 34 c @ 0200 in morning.
Aslo desk is ~ 2600 miles away at the moment.
Anyway whats wrong with sniffing gas - doesn't make a mess like you get with evostick!
Too true (allegdly) ;D ;D
No alcohol :'(
You making sand castles with people with towels on their head ;)
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Little island 1/2 way Qatar and Iran
mostly indian out here ( the local fuzzy wuzzies - don't like to work - keep in their offices)
So food is 'proper' indian for brakfast , lunch, dinner , --Not the English Indian we get in civilisation(uk),
Am assuming that when get weighed in for the chopper that will have increased somewhat from the 56 kgs when came out here last week,
but the end/return this visit is getting closer ( but can't see the light at the end of the tunnel yet) -
still wiring up before I put a fire in the units ( incinerator! to burn off the leftovers from the canteen!)