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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: Andy B on 06 September 2012, 22:52:51
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http://forums.mercedesclub.org.uk/showthread.php?p=908728#post908728 (My alter ego is EmilysDad ;)) and I've been told that driving an auto 2 footed is an instant failure on your test. Not that I would've ever taken a driving test in an auto.
Anyone able to confirm one way or t'other? ??? ???
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http://forums.mercedesclub.org.uk/showthread.php?p=908728#post908728 (My alter ego is EmilysDad ;)) and I've been told that driving an auto 2 footed is an instant failure on your test. Not that I would've ever taken a driving test in an auto.
Anyone able to confirm one way or t'other? ??? ???
Absolutely Yes, one foot only for auto driving....... ::) ::) ::) off to the other forum for a look, at least I kept the same name...... :D :D
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I believe it is a failure for the able-bodied people amongst us.
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I wonder why it should be? ??? I now have to think about braking with my right foot ;D. When I had the 3 pedal Astra I never had a problem swapping from auto to man to auto ....... :y :y
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How come you are a senior member on there already.... ::) ::) :-X
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How come you are a senior member on there already.... ::) ::) :-X
I talk more crap than you! :y :y :y
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How come you are a senior member on there already.... ::) ::) :-X
I talk more crap than you! :y :y :y
;D ;D ;D
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I was told, about 10 years ago, by a driving examiner, that you can use 2 feet on an auto if you wish, its your preference.....i doubt thats changed......
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May as well chop the left foot off tbh ::), i tried using the left foot once and just felt so wrong ;D
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I always use left foot for breaking in an auto. Often do the same in my Cavalier (manual) while doing clutchless gearchanges. ;)
Dont see why left foot braking should be a reason to fail the test in an auto,unless your dim enough to do it while the right foot is still on the throttle pedal. :-\
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You've to read through some of the gumpf, but even Honest John drives with two feet. http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/faq/driving-automatics-safely/ ;D
and no mention of 'it's the law' to use one foot here http://www.drivingtheorytestquestions.co.uk/guides/using-foot-controls-automatic (http://www.drivingtheorytestquestions.co.uk/guides/using-foot-controls-automatic) merely suggestions & it even says that you might find it easier with two feet in heavy traffic. :y
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The auto fork trucks at work require both feet but I would never use both in the auto car. Right foot only. :y
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The auto fork trucks at work require both feet but I would never use both in the auto car. Right foot only. :y
The Still FLTs at work are very easily upset if you press both pedals at once & just do nothing ....... you need to take your feet off & start again.
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I used to drive a Still forklift around 20 years ago.It was the best truck I ever drove (when the electronics werent playing up).It handled superbly loaded or unloaded. Mine was briefly fitted with a prototype circuit board to try to make the electronics more reliable.It had speed adjustment built into the board and I talked the fitter into turning the wick up to max. The result was a 45mph forklift. :o :)
It lasted a week before my boss got them back to turn it back down.It was a lot of fun while it lasted though. ;D ;D
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It seems obvious to me: you've 2 pedals, and 2 feet.
I don't know anyone who drives an auto with just one foot.
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It seems obvious to me: you've 2 pedals, and 2 feet.
I don't know anyone who drives an auto with just one foot.
Foot on foot off danialsun ;D :y
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I left foot brake in manuals when I feel the need, but tend to only use one foot in autos, which I suppose is odd.
It had speed adjustment built into the board and I talked the fitter into turning the wick up to max. The result was a 45mph forklift. :o :)
It lasted a week before my boss got them back to turn it back down.It was a lot of fun while it lasted though. ;D ;D
;D "Where's Albs gone?" "vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm"
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Yep,that was about it really. :y ;D or "there goes the mad Irishman again". ::) :D
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The result was a 45mph forklift. :o :)
It lasted a week before my boss got them back to turn it back down.It was a lot of fun while it lasted though. ;D ;D
Ours are (nearly) all restricted to 3mph. A few months ago, a couple of employees were sacked after they'd been on line to find out how to de-restrict their FLTs. They never thought about the fact that we need our own electrickey card to allow the FLT to run ......... ???
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It seems obvious to me: you've 2 pedals, and 2 feet.
I don't know anyone who drives an auto with just one foot.
Ah yes, obvious. That's why I have 3 feet - cos I drive a manual. And when in an auto I drive one footed.
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The result was a 45mph forklift. :o :)
It lasted a week before my boss got them back to turn it back down.It was a lot of fun while it lasted though. ;D ;D
Ours are (nearly) all restricted to 3mph. A few months ago, a couple of employees were sacked after they'd been on line to find out how to de-restrict their FLTs. They never thought about the fact that we need our own electrickey card to allow the FLT to run ......... ???
These were diesel engined.engine drove some type of electric motors at the front wheels.Motors were controlled by a "brain",which was ok until the concrete dust found its way in there and crerated havoc.Hence the experimentation. Still well remember lifting the inside front wheel of the ground by quite a few inches on corners,no lifting of the throttle -ever,and getting it sideways in the wet with lots of opposite lock and right foot always buried.. Superb machines.Then they changed them for Boss sideloaders. Hateful,hideous,cumbersome,contraptions. ::)
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I always use left foot for breaking in an auto. Often do the same in my Cavalier (manual) while doing clutchless gearchanges. ;)
Dont see why left foot braking should be a reason to fail the test in an auto,unless your dim enough to do it while the right foot is still on the throttle pedal. :-\
If its a DBW throttle, you will probably find the ECU will cut the throttle anyway when you hit the brake with the left foot even if your right foot is firmly planted on the throttle. Both my 2.2 auto Omega and my 1.8 Veccy manual used to do this :y
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Some time ago there was a Government TV campaign to remind auto drivers to drive only with the right foot..... :-\ :-\ my left foot was trained for a clutch and tends to be rather heavy when tried as a brake foot on an auto...... :-X And for the other opinions, I can heal and toe, not much point in daily use generally, and I used to, many years ago, change gear in a number of fords without the clutch, never drove Vx in my early days....... :D :D :D
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I always use left foot for breaking in an auto. Often do the same in my Cavalier (manual) while doing clutchless gearchanges. ;)
Dont see why left foot braking should be a reason to fail the test in an auto,unless your dim enough to do it while the right foot is still on the throttle pedal. :-\
If its a DBW throttle, you will probably find the ECU will cut the throttle anyway when you hit the brake with the left foot even if your right foot is firmly planted on the throttle. Both my 2.2 auto Omega and my 1.8 Veccy manual used to do this :y
Not tried it this Merc, but that's definitely the case of her Smart & the auto Astra she used to have. :y
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Some time ago there was a Government TV campaign to remind auto drivers to drive only with the right foot..... :-\ :-\ my left foot was trained for a clutch and tends to be rather heavy when tried as a brake foot on an auto...... :-X And for the other opinions, I can heal and toe, not much point in daily use generally, and I used to, many years ago, change gear in a number of fords without the clutch, never drove Vx in my early days....... :D :D :D
although it might have been over 30 yrs ago now, I did learn & take my test in a manual ...... ;) ;) ;) But I've now driven an auto for long enough that I've managed to re-train my left foot. :y :y
Never tried heal & toe.
I too have changed gear without use of a clutch, (clutch once stuck & I had to to get home) although I think that when cars drove the rear wheels & your gear lever was directly in the gear box, clutchless changes were/are easier, when there's a cable in between as in my Astra, clutchless changes weren't as easy. :y :y
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Some time ago there was a Government TV campaign to remind auto drivers to drive only with the right foot..... :-\ :-\ my left foot was trained for a clutch and tends to be rather heavy when tried as a brake foot on an auto...... :-X And for the other opinions, I can heal and toe, not much point in daily use generally, and I used to, many years ago, change gear in a number of fords without the clutch, never drove Vx in my early days....... :D :D :D
although it might have been over 30 yrs ago now, I did learn & take my test in a manual ...... ;) ;) ;) But I've now driven an auto for long enough that I've managed to re-train my left foot. :y :y
Never tried heal & toe.
I too have changed gear without use of a clutch, (clutch once stuck & I had to to get home) although I think that when cars drove the rear wheels & your gear lever was directly in the gear box, clutchless changes were/are easier, when there's a cable in between as in my Astra, clutchless changes weren't as easy. :y :y
Absolutely Andy.... :y :y Just got me thinking now and it is about 8 years ago since went fully auto, I did have a previous auto car in the 90's when I also used to do a bit of 'mini cabbing' in London as a sideline... :D :D
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yes, two feet for two pedals is bad practice in the extreme and will lead to test failure at all levels.
it's probably to do with both pedals being to the right of the column, which means on a lot of vehicles, you're not going to get your left foot from a rest position and past the column quickly and easily. Bad news in an emergency
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yes, two feet for two pedals is bad practice in the extreme and will lead to test failure at all levels.
it's probably to do with both pedals being to the right of the column, which means on a lot of vehicles, you're not going to get your left foot from a rest position and past the column quickly and easily. Bad news in an emergency
Have a look in the footwell of some of your cars, I doubt you'll even see the steering column, it's not visible in an Omega or an R Class ;) You certainly don't move your left foot passed the column from the foot rest to the pedal.
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It seems obvious to me: you've 2 pedals, and 2 feet.
I don't know anyone who drives an auto with just one foot.
I do, never have used two feet in any Auto :).
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Aren't autos for people with only 1 leg anyway :P ;D
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Aren't autos for people with only 1 leg anyway :P ;D
Most Omegas must've been sold to the local hop scotch crowd then ....... ::) ::) ::)
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I've always been a two-footer as it affords much better control when you're required to crack on past the mouth-breathers, nose pickers, 'phone fiddlers, sing-a-long-merchants, mothers and their precious charges and those other individuals who should never be allowed to have their arses anywhere near a driver's seat - it's a no-brainer really. :-* :y
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I've always been a two-footer as it affords much better control when you're required to crack on past the mouth-breathers, nose pickers, 'phone fiddlers, sing-a-long-merchants, mothers and their precious charges and those other individuals who should never be allowed to have their arses anywhere near a driver's seat - it's a no-brainer really. :-* :y
C'mon Den. Don't sit on the fence, tell us what you really think! ;D ;D ;D ;D
That'll do for me. If Den is a two footer, then we're all OK to use two feet! :y :y :y
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I guess it is personal choice really then, judging by the comments posted, none of which answers the op question.... :D :D :D
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I guess it is personal choice really then, judging by the comments posted,
it is :y :y
none of which answers the op question.... :D :D :D
It doesn't ...... ;) (not sure if I'm the OP or the Merc owner ..... ::) ::))
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I guess it is personal choice really then, judging by the comments posted,
it is :y :y
none of which answers the op question.... :D :D :D
It doesn't ...... ;) (not sure if I'm the OP or the Merc owner ..... ::) ::))
Or the stroppy senior member on a certain other forum..... :D :D :D I just read that from page 1..... :-X :-X
I must get posting..... :y :y
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I guess it is personal choice really then, judging by the comments posted,
it is :y :y
none of which answers the op question.... :D :D :D
It doesn't ...... ;) (not sure if I'm the OP or the Merc owner ..... ::) ::))
Or the stroppy senior member on a certain other forum..... :D :D :D I just read that from page 1..... :-X :-X
I must get posting..... :y :y
Still not sure who you mean ......... ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
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yes, two feet for two pedals is bad practice in the extreme and will lead to test failure at all levels.
it's probably to do with both pedals being to the right of the column, which means on a lot of vehicles, you're not going to get your left foot from a rest position and past the column quickly and easily. Bad news in an emergency
If it's bad practice, why does every auto car have a brake pedal designed to make it easy to get your left foot on it?
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depends really the DSA say it is bad practise,but all the advanced groups ROSPA and IAM say it is bad practise unless manouvering :y
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depends really the DSA say it is bad practise,but all the advanced groups ROSPA and IAM say it is bad practise unless manouvering :y
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i know vamps....they used to be indesive now they just don't know.... :y
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First time I drove an auto it was a Rover SD1 2.6 with a brake pedal the size of an ironing board.
Stopping was made a bit fierce because I kept forgetting that my left foot didn't need to press a pedal to the floor every time my right foot gently applied the brake ;D
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depends really the DSA say it is bad practise,but all the advanced groups ROSPA and IAM say it is bad practise unless manouvering :y
I do recognise the merit in those concerns as there are a fair few drivers about who started their motoring experiences by driving manual gear change vehicles with the (usual) requirement to brake using the right foot to stop it when necessary.
I suppose the concern is - now that many of such drivers have migrated to vehicles having automatic transmissions with some adopting the (entirely natural) two footed approach - there may well be the tendency for them to hesitate in applying the brake or applying both the brake and accelerator pedals in the event of an emergency when old practices have a habit of coming to the fore – no time to think; instinctive reaction, that sort of thing.
Police driving (at advanced/other duty standard) bears no resemblance to the civilian counterpart(s) and different operating practices are necessary to accomplish the task at hand. In that regard I always found that the two-footed technique allowed me to attain and maintain the speeds necessary to get through traffic as safely and as cleanly as possible.
To drive an unmarked vehicle at speed through a city/urban environment is difficult at best (and downright dangerous at worst) but the two-footed technique allowed me to deal with many such situations without too much drama.
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...... driving an auto 2 footed is an instant failure .....
Well, given the crap omega brakes, the auto brake pedal is big enough for both feet.....but accelerator pedal is a little small surely...? ??? So I would agree, FAIL! :)
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What you do in the privacy of your Omega is you're business and yours alone,know what I mean ;) ;)left or right foot is good as long as you get the car stopped safely, and in the scheme of things it pales to some of the tricks that you see Joe public pulling on a daily basis ::)texting,eating/drinking,flipping lanes without indicating or proper mirror checks,tailgating, bad lane discipline,wrong lane choice taking roundabouts plus incorrect indication if at all! could rant for an hour or two on this one BUT the bbq is hot and the beer's cold and I'm gonna chill for the rest of the afternoon 8) 8)
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...... driving an auto 2 footed is an instant failure .....
I never said that ....... ??? ??? ??? unless you took form someone else's quote that I was quoting. ;)
Well, given the crap omega brakes, the auto brake pedal is big enough for both feet.....but accelerator pedal is a little small surely...? ??? So I would agree, FAIL! :)
Disagree with the Omega brakes though, providing you give the pedal a good enough shove (with which ever foot) it'll stop the car well enough from what ever speed. They're just not as over assisted as some eg my Merc ( same as the steering assistance ;))