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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: tigers_gonads on 18 October 2012, 07:07:04
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Since when has a blind persons white stick looked like a samuri sword ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-19979184
Sounds to me that the copper who did this needs one sticking up his arse >:(
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Since when has a blind persons white stick looked like a samuri sword ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-19979184
Sounds to me that the copper who did this needs one sticking up his arse >:(
Perhaps good reason for not arming your average Bobby! :-X
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Since when has a blind persons white stick looked like a samuri sword ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-19979184
Sounds to me that the copper who did this needs one sticking up his arse >:(
Perhaps good reason for not arming your average Bobby! :-X
:P :P :P ;D
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And people wonder why the boys in blue and have such a bad reputation and are a joke at times:(
The officer concerned should be charged with, assault with a deadly weapon or whatever is appropriate and kicked out of the force :(
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We all seem quick to hang, draw and quarter people in this country without knowing the full facts. Were you there? Or are you just taking the account of the left wing BBC, and not seeing the full context. The police are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
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We all seem quick to hang, draw and quarter people in this country without knowing the full facts. Were you there? Or are you just taking the account of the left wing BBC, and not seeing the full context. The police are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
Quite true, I was one of those who said to wait for proof re the Saville allegations and in this case I wasn't not an eye witness. I drew my conclusions from the news report and pictures of this man walking with his stick.
So I will wait until the facts are established before I say take him to court and kick him out of the force, but common sense tells you you don't have to taser an elderly blind man.
The police are visible, the good they do will always be forgotten when things like this are reported, perhaps a little common sense would go a long way
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Poor blind man
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"Do the police" very good generalisation there ... or should it be .. "did that officer" ??? :)
As I understand the few "facts" available ..
A report had been received of a man being daft with a sword.
An officer was sent to the scene (and I suggest he was now "primed" that any long thin item would be a sword ??)
Further reports were received, so heightening the officers tension and perceptions ??
The officer saw what he thought fitted the description given, shouted a warning, was ignored, acted
Within minutes another man was arrested close by carrying a samurai sword, this man was found to be drunk.
So what does that all prove ??? Very little .. except that
a) The officer is human
b) The officer made a mistake
c) The officer was under some stress given the information he had received
d) see a) above
Of course, any member of OOF who has NEVER, EVER made ANY sort of mistake, and who has been tasked with apprehending a drunk armed with a sword and done so successfuly, feel free to criticise......
I just wonder what the reaction would be if the situation were the opposite .. he hadn't acted and it had been the sword, and the man went on to injure someone ???
He'd then be hung for NOT acting I guess ......
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Poor blind man
+1 :(
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Sure the officer is human, sure he can mistake but opposite the victm he isn't blind
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"Do the police" very good generalisation there ... or should it be .. "did that officer" ??? :)
As I understand the few "facts" available ..
A report had been received of a man being daft with a sword.
An officer was sent to the scene (and I suggest he was now "primed" that any long thin item would be a sword ??)
Further reports were received, so heightening the officers tension and perceptions ??
The officer saw what he thought fitted the description given, shouted a warning, was ignored, acted
Within minutes another man was arrested close by carrying a samurai sword, this man was found to be drunk.
So what does that all prove ??? Very little .. except that
a) The officer is human
b) The officer made a mistake
c) The officer was under some stress given the information he had received
d) see a) above
Of course, any member of OOF who has NEVER, EVER made ANY sort of mistake, and who has been tasked with apprehending a drunk armed with a sword and done so successfuly, feel free to criticise......
I just wonder what the reaction would be if the situation were the opposite .. he hadn't acted and it had been the sword, and the man went on to injure someone ???
He'd then be hung for NOT acting I guess ......
but we humble OOFers are not supposedly highly trained police occifers with a Tazer in our grubby mitts. He was Tazered from behind too, surely the copper should've made sure first before he pressed the 'trigger' (do they have a trigger? :-\)
It'll be on Jeremy Vine later ::))
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The taser dart fell out of his back so the officer jumped on his back,pinned him to the floor and hancuffed him so tight he was in agony.
All the time the victim was screaming "Im blind,Im blind. Not from a newspaper but from the mans mouth on the news last night.
Someone that stupid shouldnt be allowed out in public without adult supervision,never mind wear a police uniform and carry a taser.
Lancs police arent disputing the mans version of events in any way.They have apoligised profusely for the suffering they caused him.
Take the morons uniform off him and give him McDonalds litter picker uniform instead.
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The taser dart fell out of his back so the officer jumped on his back,pinned him to the floor and hancuffed him so tight he was in agony.
All the time the victim was screaming "Im blind,Im blind. Not from a newspaper but from the mans mouth on the news last night.
Someone that stupid shouldnt be allowed out in public without adult supervision,never mind wear a police uniform and carry a taser.
Lancs police arent disputing the mans version of events in any way.They have apoligised profusely for the suffering they caused him.
Take the morons uniform off him and give him McDonalds litter picker uniform instead.
C'mon Albs ...... get off the fence & tell us what you really think! ::) ::) ::) ;)
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The title was a little bit "tongue in cheek" Nige ;)
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It has to be said, it does not take a lot of skill or judgement to spot a blind person.....
......maybe the person holding the tazer needs the stick.....
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......maybe the person holding the tazer needs the stick.....
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Got to admit, I laughed my socks off when I heard this yesterday, like something out of Monty Python.
Not really funny...........I suppose ::)
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Of course .... we all instantly forget that it is not many weeks since 2 of Lancashires finest attended an innocent sounding burglary and were shot/grenaded to death ... I'm sure such a scenario never even entered the officers head .. he is far too intelligent/highly trained for such a thing to occur.
I'm sorry, but there is a real world out there, in which we expect Human's to cope with many things.
Whilst not a policeman, or police trained, I have had to give the "forget your best mate was killed by the taliban .. you must ignore your feelings and abide by the RoE" speech on more than one occasion .... knowing full well that the recipient will be more nervous, and more "twitchy" simply because of the occurence... the psychiatrists had a fancy term for it ...something like "reverse conditioning reflex" if memory serves.
I have no doubt this was a ****up of the first degree, I also have no doubt that the officer is sitting somewhere thinking "what a stupid prat I am", I also have no doubt that AT THE TIME, said officer, for WHATEVER reason, THOUGHT he was doing the right thing.
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Of course .... we all instantly forget that it is not many weeks since 2 of Lancashires finest attended an innocent sounding burglary and were shot/grenaded to death ... I'm sure such a scenario never even entered the officers head .. he is far too intelligent/highly trained for such a thing to occur.
I'm sorry, but there is a real world out there, in which we expect Human's to cope with many things.
Whilst not a policeman, or police trained, I have had to give the "forget your best mate was killed by the taliban .. you must ignore your feelings and abide by the RoE" speech on more than one occasion .... knowing full well that the recipient will be more nervous, and more "twitchy" simply because of the occurence... the psychiatrists had a fancy term for it ...something like "reverse conditioning reflex" if memory serves.
I have no doubt this was a ****up of the first degree, I also have no doubt that the officer is sitting somewhere thinking "what a stupid prat I am", I also have no doubt that AT THE TIME, said officer, for WHATEVER reason, THOUGHT he was doing the right thing.
I'm sure is says in there that the subject must be a lethal threat to either him /herself or a member of public that he is tasked to protect.
Also positive identification should be attained of the threat and clear verbal warnings should be issued before discharging any weapon if possible.
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Shocking.
Blind not deaf, but as he says, how would he know immediately that the officer was shouting at him.
I can imagine being there in the heat of the moment to the "Oh 'dangle berries'" moments later.
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Do any of them....and just who teaches them the 'I am right' routine to use when they are wrong? :-\
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Shocking.
Blind not deaf, but as he says, how would he know immediately that the officer was shouting at him.
I can imagine being there in the heat of the moment to the "Oh 'dangle berries'" moments later.
Thats what the blind bloke said ;D ;D
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A Tazer is an "up close & personal" weapon, and if the old bill that deployed that weapon against someone carrying a white stick, then (ignorining the "rules of engagement" the old bill have to live by), the copper concerned needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law because there is no way on this earth you can possibly mistake a white stick for an offensive weapon IMHO.
However we know that isn't going to happen in real life, so don't be surprised when you encounter an old bill that thinks they know it all and then gets away with shooting you for opps all (aka Jean Paul De Menezez).
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a quick answer NO