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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: tunnie on 25 November 2012, 13:44:51
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All German Parts, now listing these at £43.50 each.
http://www.allgermanparts.co.uk/ourshop/cat_277900-Steering-and-suspension-components.html (http://www.allgermanparts.co.uk/ourshop/cat_277900-Steering-and-suspension-components.html)
Still got Lemforder at £65 and now Meyle at £85 :o
The 2.2 really does need new wishbones, at 160k they are ordinal and a little tired ::)
Question is what to go for? I don't need Poly with my driving style...
Would consider OE bush, but I don't have the means to fit them. :(
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Poly don't make for harsher ride, just more precise control. Oh, and fit-and-forget ;)
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Poly don't make for harsher ride, just more precise control. Oh, and fit-and-forget ;)
Hummm...
Maybe could poly then, wishbone could stay in place. But surely the lower balljoints must be nackered on mine? (2.2) :-\
Thinking for Austria, as it needs to be done. But 3 up, fully loaded.... the 3.2 maybe a better bet for those German Autobahn sections. Plus it has traction control :-\ :-\
But it would cost more in fuel..... Decisions Decisions :-\
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I suspect its all knackerd, but check it, and make decision from there
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I suspect its all knackerd, but check it, and make decision from there
at 160k, think they will be ;D
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As said, check rearward bushes and ball joints as a start off.
Check ball joints by pulling the wb up and down as the car is on the drive. No jacking. Just reach under. Then do all the other jack up and wiggle tests.
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As said, check rearward bushes and ball joints as a start off.
Check ball joints by pulling the wb up and down as the car is on the drive. No jacking. Just reach under. Then do all the other jack up and wiggle tests.
Do this closet to the wheel?
Checking poly bushes, these have come down a bit, thought they were around £50?
http://www.powerflex.co.uk/product-details/Front+Wishbone+Front+Bush/1760.html (http://www.powerflex.co.uk/product-details/Front+Wishbone+Front+Bush/1760.html)
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Yes you'll see the play, of any. It's quite subtle, so any bars or levers tend to over power the play so it gets missed IME.
No direct experience with qh stuff. But they don't seem to have the quality on parts generally going by posts here. :-\
Might be tempted by the Merle.
Although I await input from Master and Jimbob on ferurbing.
I'm quite impressed by the oomph from the chipping/air hammer I got the other day. I wonder if that might have enough go to blast out the rear bush. :-\ given a suitable drift. :-\ and then could it force the new one in without damage. :-\
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Oh, and in answer to your question... QH wishbones can be hit and miss - I've had some good ones for some cars and poor ones for others ;)
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Oh, and in answer to your question... QH wishbones can be hit and miss - I've had some good ones for some cars and poor ones for others ;)
Just totting up prices, £43 for budget wishbones each, cheaper to maybe poly the current ones. Then do ball joins if/when needed.
Motivation for doing them now is Austria, ordered LPG adaptors.
But now thinking should I take 3.2 ::) ;D
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As said, check rearward bushes and ball joints as a start off.
Check ball joints by pulling the wb up and down as the car is on the drive. No jacking. Just reach under. Then do all the other jack up and wiggle tests.
Do this closet to the wheel?
Checking poly bushes, these have come down a bit, thought they were around £50?http://www.powerflex.co.uk/product-details/Front+Wishbone+Front+Bush/1760.html (http://www.powerflex.co.uk/product-details/Front+Wishbone+Front+Bush/1760.html)
£25.02 each inc. vat. 2 per car.Just over £50. ;)
Plus ime powerflex wont deal with reatil customers so you have to order through one of their agents who charge around £5 delivery on top. :y
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As said, check rearward bushes and ball joints as a start off.
Check ball joints by pulling the wb up and down as the car is on the drive. No jacking. Just reach under. Then do all the other jack up and wiggle tests.
Do this closet to the wheel?
Checking poly bushes, these have come down a bit, thought they were around £50?http://www.powerflex.co.uk/product-details/Front+Wishbone+Front+Bush/1760.html (http://www.powerflex.co.uk/product-details/Front+Wishbone+Front+Bush/1760.html)
£25.02 each inc. vat. 2 per car.Just over £50. ;)
Plus ime powerflex wont deal with reatil customers so you have to order through one of their agents who charge around £5 delivery on top. :y
Good point, bought some before, but exchanged them for something else, so never got fitted ;D
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Take the 2.2 :y
3.2 not done much, so no idea if it's up to such a long trip. Also given the 2.2s relative value, less to lose if a problem.
In the summer, 3.2 all day long, but 2.2 is just as comfortable and easier to manage given the potential weather, and therefore lower speeds and alot cheaper to fuel with lpg.
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I do trust 2.2 more, I "know" it had it for 7 years :o
2.2:
Need to use roof box
with 3 up, fully loaded its going to struggle. But, its no race. (spending 2 days getting there)
Uses LPG so huge saving in fuel.
Has to use ferry, no train. But looking at train its over twice cost on dates I want :o
Oddly I find it more comfy than 3.2, perhaps due to cloth seats.
Wishbones bushes very tired.
Lacks traction control, but its a manual.
Already a bit battered in places, so better choice for road trip.
All important iPod/MP3 input :D ;D
3.2
Full boot available.
Better able to make "progress" on those German Autobahns
Better lights
Traction Control
On paper in better shape (new wishbones/droplinks)
Will cost £65 more in fuel each, compared to 2.2
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Forget making progress on the Autobahns given that if it isn't winter yet, it will be over there, so why take the risk.
Ferry part of the trip, not just a mode of transport.
2.2 wishbones will only need doing anyway, might as well justify it as preparation work.
3.2 probably best to do a few longer trips in uk before hitting the continent.
Manual more manageable in snow, presumably you've driven the 2.2 manual on snow/ice so know what to expect with it, whereas the 3.2auto might catch you unawares :-\
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Forget making progress on the Autobahns given that if it isn't winter yet, it will be over there, so why take the risk.
Ferry part of the trip, not just a mode of transport.
2.2 wishbones will only need doing anyway, might as well justify it as preparation work.
3.2 probably best to do a few longer trips in uk before hitting the continent.
Manual more manageable in snow, presumably you've driven the 2.2 manual on snow/ice so know what to expect with it, whereas the 3.2auto might catch you unawares :-\
Yeah drove 2.2 in the "big dump" we had in 2009, quite enjoyed it, never got stuck, but quite a lot of wheel spin (which winter tyres should stop)
Wishbones themselves are ok, not split, so actually only need to Polly really.
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Forget making progress on the Autobahns given that if it isn't winter yet, it will be over there, so why take the risk.
Ferry part of the trip, not just a mode of transport.
2.2 wishbones will only need doing anyway, might as well justify it as preparation work.
3.2 probably best to do a few longer trips in uk before hitting the continent.
Manual more manageable in snow, presumably you've driven the 2.2 manual on snow/ice so know what to expect with it, whereas the 3.2auto might catch you unawares :-\
Yeah drove 2.2 in the "big dump" we had in 2009, quite enjoyed it, never got stuck, but quite a lot of wheel spin (which winter tyres should stop)
Wishbones themselves are ok, not split, so actually only need to Polly really.
You need to check the rears and the balljoints, and use that as a basis for decision. I think its fair to say that the rears will likely be shot.
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Forget making progress on the Autobahns given that if it isn't winter yet, it will be over there, so why take the risk.
Ferry part of the trip, not just a mode of transport.
2.2 wishbones will only need doing anyway, might as well justify it as preparation work.
3.2 probably best to do a few longer trips in uk before hitting the continent.
Manual more manageable in snow, presumably you've driven the 2.2 manual on snow/ice so know what to expect with it, whereas the 3.2auto might catch you unawares :-\
Yeah drove 2.2 in the "big dump" we had in 2009, quite enjoyed it, never got stuck, but quite a lot of wheel spin (which winter tyres should stop)
Wishbones themselves are ok, not split, so actually only need to Polly really.
You need to check the rears and the balljoints, and use that as a basis for decision. I think its fair to say that the rears will likely be shot.
Are the rear ones not a doddle to fit? The place usually used for rear jacking, that bolt off, plate comes out and yank the bush out? (ooo errr ;D)
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Forget making progress on the Autobahns given that if it isn't winter yet, it will be over there, so why take the risk.
Ferry part of the trip, not just a mode of transport.
2.2 wishbones will only need doing anyway, might as well justify it as preparation work.
3.2 probably best to do a few longer trips in uk before hitting the continent.
Manual more manageable in snow, presumably you've driven the 2.2 manual on snow/ice so know what to expect with it, whereas the 3.2auto might catch you unawares :-\
Yeah drove 2.2 in the "big dump" we had in 2009, quite enjoyed it, never got stuck, but quite a lot of wheel spin (which winter tyres should stop)
Wishbones themselves are ok, not split, so actually only need to Polly really.
You need to check the rears and the balljoints, and use that as a basis for decision. I think its fair to say that the rears will likely be shot.
Are the rear ones not a doddle to fit? The place usually used for rear jacking, that bolt off, plate comes out and yank the bush out? (ooo errr ;D)
I think he means the rear bush OF THE WISHBONE .. not the rear bush of the car !!! :) subtle difference .. by about 6 feet ... :)
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Forget making progress on the Autobahns given that if it isn't winter yet, it will be over there, so why take the risk.
Ferry part of the trip, not just a mode of transport.
2.2 wishbones will only need doing anyway, might as well justify it as preparation work.
3.2 probably best to do a few longer trips in uk before hitting the continent.
Manual more manageable in snow, presumably you've driven the 2.2 manual on snow/ice so know what to expect with it, whereas the 3.2auto might catch you unawares :-\
Yeah drove 2.2 in the "big dump" we had in 2009, quite enjoyed it, never got stuck, but quite a lot of wheel spin (which winter tyres should stop)
Wishbones themselves are ok, not split, so actually only need to Polly really.
You need to check the rears and the balljoints, and use that as a basis for decision. I think its fair to say that the rears will likely be shot.
Are the rear ones not a doddle to fit? The place usually used for rear jacking, that bolt off, plate comes out and yank the bush out? (ooo errr ;D)
I meant rear bushes in the front wishbone.
Your rear donut bushes on the rear suspension are likely shot. If you think they are, see the Pedders thread. Or make me an offer for the Lemforder ones I've got in the garage ;D
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Forget making progress on the Autobahns given that if it isn't winter yet, it will be over there, so why take the risk.
Ferry part of the trip, not just a mode of transport.
2.2 wishbones will only need doing anyway, might as well justify it as preparation work.
3.2 probably best to do a few longer trips in uk before hitting the continent.
Manual more manageable in snow, presumably you've driven the 2.2 manual on snow/ice so know what to expect with it, whereas the 3.2auto might catch you unawares :-\
Yeah drove 2.2 in the "big dump" we had in 2009, quite enjoyed it, never got stuck, but quite a lot of wheel spin (which winter tyres should stop)
Wishbones themselves are ok, not split, so actually only need to Polly really.
You need to check the rears and the balljoints, and use that as a basis for decision. I think its fair to say that the rears will likely be shot.
Are the rear ones not a doddle to fit? The place usually used for rear jacking, that bolt off, plate comes out and yank the bush out? (ooo errr ;D)
I think he means the rear bush OF THE WISHBONE .. not the rear bush of the car !!! :) subtle difference .. by about 6 feet ... :)
Oh yeh, Oooopss :-[ :-[ :-[ ;D
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Echo echo echo... ;D
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Fek it, prob worth sticking whole new wishbones in, as lets face it every part of the current ones must be shot
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Thats why I say check yours first ;)
Once you change WB, you need geometry. If you can get away with just poly.... ;)
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Thats why I say check yours first ;)
Once you change WB, you need geometry. If you can get away with just poly.... ;)
Yes thats what I was thinking, possible new steering idler too. Can't see/feel any play, but front feels very loose. Which could also be wishbones.
But at 160k old, the ball joints can't possibly be still good can they? :-\
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Even if you end up changing the lot now, you'll be saving yourself a job in the New year. If you end up breaking it once the 3.2 is fully up and running, then you'll have a box full of lightly worn suspension bits that won't be wasted when you need them on the 3.2 :y
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Even if you end up changing the lot now, you'll be saving yourself a job in the New year. If you end up breaking it once the 3.2 is fully up and running, then you'll have a box full of lightly worn suspension bits that won't be wasted when you need them on the 3.2 :y
Actually have nice new wishbones on the 3.2, but if it was broken, be stripped off for future use. Long term plan is to run both side by side, 3.2 will be for MrsT :)
Plan on running 2.2 for some years yet, so it won't be wasted money. I'd fit poly as it would be cheaper and damn site easier, also avoid trip to WIM. But just can't see ball joints still being in good nick.
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Might be prudent to get it all done and dusted, putting polys into new arms, and all set up, then you know that it's done and you'll get the best out of the winter tyres too :y
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Oddly though, tyres are wearing normally!
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Probably don't ask too much of them pootling about ::) the edges of the fronts only wear under duress or if the geometry is well off :y
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Rear bushes can be changed with a good vice and a hammer. :y.
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Probably don't ask too much of them pootling about ::) the edges of the fronts only wear under duress or if the geometry is well off :y
Always goes to WIM, but it's been around 4 years since it was last there!
Rear bushes can be changed with a good vice and a hammer. :y.
You do know this is me ;D - no good Vice.
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Thats why I say check yours first ;)
Once you change WB, you need geometry. If you can get away with just poly.... ;)
Yes thats what I was thinking, possible new steering idler too. Can't see/feel any play, but front feels very loose. Which could also be wishbones.
But at 160k old, the ball joints can't possibly be still good can they? :-\
Stop summerising on what may or may not be, physically check for play ;).
If the rear bushes are fine, I see no reason to change them. If the balljoints are fine, I see no reason to change them.
As to replacing the wishbones, as you know, I went down the refurb route after being less than impressed with the quality of the current crop of Lemforders. Even if you did change the wishbones, poly it anyway, seems nobody can now make a rubber bush that lasts :(
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Rear bushes can be changed with a good vice and a hammer. :y.
A 20t press failed to remove the ones on TBE - and they hadn't been in that long, if you recall, we did them a couple of years back at Hornby HQ :y
Had to resort to drill and hacksaw :'(
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Probably don't ask too much of them pootling about ::) the edges of the fronts only wear under duress or if the geometry is well off :y
Always goes to WIM, but it's been around 4 years since it was last there!
Rear bushes can be changed with a good vice and a hammer. :y.
You do know this is me ;D - no good Vice.
And not enough muscle power even if you did :-X ::) :D
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Are poly bushes available for the rear wishbone?