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Title: Texting
Post by: BazaJT on 13 December 2012, 19:07:27
A 20 year old woman has got 3 1/2 years for causing a car crash will saw a woman in the other car killed.She was texting a friend about a night out when she lost control of her car.It seems she initially denied using her phone,until her phone records were produced to show she'd received one message and sent two,at which point she admitted she was reading her messages at the time.She was shown arriving at court texting on her phone!
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 13 December 2012, 19:19:29
It is a modern sickness, with so many walking along and acting like zombies whilst they text.

This case is of course most tragic and avoidable with someone texting whilst driving and killing someone else.

Some people will never learn, like drink, drug, drivers. 

If I was PM I would ban texting whilst on the move or even walking.  Those idiots can walk into you, or walk in front of your car when you are driving! >:(

Prats, and dangerous ones!! >:( >:(
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: STMO123 on 13 December 2012, 19:22:00
Very sad....but I think the fact that she is a female probably contributed to her poor driving. :-*
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: martin42 on 13 December 2012, 19:26:27
and women say they can multitask  ;D
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 13 December 2012, 19:27:58
You two will not wind me up! ::) ::) ::) ::) ;)
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: CaptainZok on 13 December 2012, 19:44:06
It's already illegal to text whilst driving, what we need is more traffic cops and less policing by camera.
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: PhilRich on 13 December 2012, 19:51:45
It's already illegal to text whilst driving, what we need is more traffic cops and less policing by camera.
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Amen to that! :)
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: Crazycarzowner on 13 December 2012, 20:40:31
I stopped a mini-bus today, the driver was using his mobile phone (on loud speaker of course  :o :o :o ) he didn't think it was an offense as it was in his hand but not to his ear!?!? Mini-bus was full of party people on their Xmas night out  >:( >:( >:( 
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: omega3000 on 13 December 2012, 20:53:35
Not texting , but seen 3 on the phone today and all speeding in a 30 zone . All of them business types .
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: Varche on 13 December 2012, 21:15:33
Send all texters(drivers or not) to my boot camp.

They will soon build my barrage across the Wash. Then the money from selling all the fresh water to the South East (lots of time to car wash as no one will be texting anymore) will clear the National Debt. Fixed.

I haven't sent or received a single text message now for over nine years. I will be perfect as the community service judge!
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: Martian on 13 December 2012, 21:17:10
I stopped a mini-bus today, the driver was using his mobile phone (on loud speaker of course  :o :o :o ) he didn't think it was an offense as it was in his hand but not to his ear!?!? Mini-bus was full of party people on their Xmas night out  >:( >:( >:(
Can you explain the difference to me between a copper talking to someone on the other end of a microphone and "Joe Bloggs" doing the same?
They are both cellular radios at the end of the day, so the device itself cannot come in to the equation.
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: OOMV6 on 13 December 2012, 21:20:16
I stopped a mini-bus today, the driver was using his mobile phone (on loud speaker of course  :o :o :o ) he didn't think it was an offense as it was in his hand but not to his ear!?!? Mini-bus was full of party people on their Xmas night out  >:( >:( >:(
Can you explain the difference to me between a copper talking to someone on the other end of a microphone and "Joe Bloggs" doing the same?
They are both cellular radios at the end of the day, so the device itself cannot come in to the equation.


I would hazard a guess at the "hand held" part of the equation. And normally in a police car there is a passenger doing the talking. But I guess, a police officer will be along soon to clarify
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: Crazycarzowner on 13 December 2012, 21:42:48
Can you explain the difference.......


The Definition of a Hand-Held Mobile Phone

The Regulation includes any "device, other than a two-way radio, which performs an interactive communication function by transmitting and receiving data".

It states that a "mobile telephone or other device is to be treated as hand-held if it is, or must be, held at some point during the course of making or receiving a call or performing any other interactive communication function". "interactive communication function" includes:

    sending or receiving oral or written messages;
    sending or receiving facsimile documents;
    sending or receiving still or moving images; and
    providing access to the internet

There are two exemptions:

    2- way "press to talk" radios, such as used by the emergency services and taxi drivers
    Using a hand-held phone for a genuine emergency call to 999 or 112 if it would be unsafe for the driver to stop.
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: feeutfo on 13 December 2012, 22:28:03
so texting, and all those other illegal things on a hand held device, are perfectly legal provided the device is secured in a holder, and therefor not hand held.
yes? :)

for ther pedants, i'm talking about legalitys in relation  to hand heald devices, as obviously due care and attention can apply, and apply under a mirriad of circumstances.
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: the alarming man on 13 December 2012, 22:31:44
so texting, and all those other illegal things on a hand held device, are perfectly legal provided the device is secured in a holder, and therefor not hand held.
yes? :)

for ther pedants, i'm talking about legalitys in relation  to hand heald devices, as obviously due care and attention can apply, and apply under a mirriad of circumstances.



what is the definition of being held....ie is pushing buttons holding...i know it is not but do the judges??
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: feeutfo on 13 December 2012, 22:34:30
so texting, and all those other illegal things on a hand held device, are perfectly legal provided the device is secured in a holder, and therefor not hand held.
yes? :)

for ther pedants, i'm talking about legalitys in relation  to hand heald devices, as obviously due care and attention can apply, and apply under a mirriad of circumstances.



what is the definition of being held....ie is pushing buttons holding...i know it is not but do the judges??
surely if its ina holder, it cant possibly be heald by a hand? thats the point of the law in the first place, no?
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: Andy B on 13 December 2012, 22:54:05
Looks like it's legal to send a text via a CCRT700  ........ have you ever sent a text using it? It takes forever!
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: feeutfo on 13 December 2012, 23:03:44
Looks like it's legal to send a text via a CCRT700  ........ have you ever sent a text using it? It takes forever!
Technophobe. :P

Probably similar to text and Nav input on 2013/15.
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: Terbs on 14 December 2012, 09:26:28
Surely its dangerous to text whatever the device is and whether its hand held or not......distraction?? :)
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: feeutfo on 14 December 2012, 10:50:39
Potentially. .... but legally is another story.

Or at least thats the question I'm asking. Its not texting as such, it's using a hand held device, that's illegal. As I understand it...?
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: Entwood on 14 December 2012, 11:30:03
As I understand it, and I'm probably wrong ... the law does not apply to 2-way radios, so it IS legal to hold a CB mike or a police/fire/ambulance mike ..... 

 ??? ???
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: YZ250 on 14 December 2012, 12:11:57
As I understand it, and I'm probably wrong ... the law does not apply to 2-way radios, so it IS legal to hold a CB mike or a police/fire/ambulance mike ..... 

 ??? ???

It does appear that way as on Top Gear they always emphasise that they are using two-way radio's where the car is not equipped or not suited for hands-free communication.   ???
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: Terbs on 14 December 2012, 12:31:17
When you think about it, using a CB is not really different from talking. Having a hand off the wheel, is no different to changing gear and holding the gearstick for those that use that outdated way ;D You are watching the road whilst on CB, so the brain can multifunction in this case. However, texting, or even poncing around with Sat Nav is a different ball game. You have to 'look' at what you are doing, and 'think' what you are doing, in an entirely different way. And you can't look at a keyboard and suss which key to press whilst watching and thinking about the the road (unless you a boss-eyed) :)
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: joshwyatt on 14 December 2012, 13:02:37
Relevant to the use of 2 way radio's...

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/2695/regulation/2/made

They are exempt, although you would rarely see a police officer using one opposed to the PTT system as fitted in most police vehicles or professional vehicles.
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: Kevin Wood on 14 December 2012, 13:24:43
Relevant to the use of 2 way radio's...

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/2695/regulation/2/made

They are exempt, although you would rarely see a police officer using one opposed to the PTT system as fitted in most police vehicles or professional vehicles.

Yep, has been discussed much in amateur radio circles, too. The use of 2 way radios not being explicitly outlawed, in the same way a handheld mobile phone is, won't prevent a charge of driving without due care and attention.
Title: Re: Texting
Post by: YZ250 on 14 December 2012, 13:25:20
If we are honest about being responsible drivers and using hands-free devices while on the move, we all know that we should ideally only answer an incoming call if absolutely necessary and never make an out-going call whilst on the move, but even the law allows this. Texting and surfing shouldn't even be considered.
I have voice dial and can answer a call from the steering wheel or auto-answer but if I'm honest I still find any phone conversation distracting while I'm driving.
Modern technology means that your mobile can be in your pocket or in another part of the car and can still be used with a kit so there is no need to have access to your mobile at all.  :)