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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: feeutfo on 29 January 2013, 22:49:54
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Our old neighbour text me earlier.
He fitted new winter tyres to the rear of his wife's Lexus is300. She is an excellent driver. Safe, precise, can catch a slide, doesn't speed, track days on bikes and cars in fast groups etc.
She rang him today to demand they be removed, temp at 12 c according to her cars dash display.
Nearly spun the car.
They've been on 3 weeks
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::) ;D
please tell her to use on all 4 tyres :y
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Our old neighbour text me earlier.
He fitted new winter tyres to the rear of his wife's Lexus is300. She is an excellent driver. Safe, precise, can catch a slide, doesn't speed, track days on bikes and cars in fast groups etc.
She rang him today to demand they be removed, temp at 12 c according to her cars dash display.
Nearly spun the car.
They've been on 3 weeks
SWMBO is always right! ::) ::)
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::) ;D
please tell her to use on all 4 tyres :y
Best tyres go on the rear cem. So she is correct. Summer tyres all round at 13c. As a winter tyre expert in uk weather, I thought you of all people should know that. :D ;D
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Our old neighbour text me earlier.
He fitted new winter tyres to the rear of his wife's Lexus is300. She is an excellent driver. Safe, precise, can catch a slide, doesn't speed, track days on bikes and cars in fast groups etc.
She rang him today to demand they be removed, temp at 12 c according to her cars dash display.
Nearly spun the car.
They've been on 3 weeks
SWMBO is always right! ::) ::)
No argument from me. ;)
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::) ;D
please tell her to use on all 4 tyres :y
Best tyres go on the rear cem. So she is correct. Summer tyres all round at 13c. As a winter tyre expert in uk weather, I thought you of all people should know that. :D ;D
winter and summer tyres can not be mixed.. if you do, its your risk..
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::) ;D
please tell her to use on all 4 tyres :y
Best tyres go on the rear cem. So she is correct. Summer tyres all round at 13c. As a winter tyre expert in uk weather, I thought you of all people should know that. :D ;D
winter and summer tyres can not be mixed.. if you do, its your risk..
I'd expect under steer below a cirtain temp/temps reversed. But no. She was quite happy in Snow, with primacy on the front.
They are now concerned how the tires will store, given the out of range heat cycles.
The fact they are on rear axle only is an easy get out though. ;)
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Thats the second story I have heard of rear tyres only being winter and spinning out. Were they Chinese clones?
Must suggest that getting a full good quality set is the right thing to do.
Tunnie seems to have had a reasonable experience on the winter tyres in real winter weather.
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::) ;D
please tell her to use on all 4 tyres :y
Best tyres go on the rear cem. So she is correct. Summer tyres all round at 13c. As a winter tyre expert in uk weather, I thought you of all people should know that. :D ;D
winter and summer tyres can not be mixed.. if you do, its your risk..
I'd expect under steer below a cirtain temp/temps reversed. But no. She was quite happy in Snow, with primacy on the front.
They are now concerned how the tires will store, given the out of range heat cycles.
The fact they are on rear axle only is an easy get out though. ;)
different tyres on front and rear different grip levels .. no surprise .. been there done that in the past.. soon you learn..
they can be stored in a dark place..
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::) ;D
please tell her to use on all 4 tyres :y
Best tyres go on the rear cem. So she is correct. Summer tyres all round at 13c. As a winter tyre expert in uk weather, I thought you of all people should know that. :D ;D
winter and summer tyres can not be mixed.. if you do, its your risk..
I'd expect under steer below a cirtain temp/temps reversed. But no. She was quite happy in Snow, with primacy on the front.
They are now concerned how the tires will store, given the out of range heat cycles.
The fact they are on rear axle only is an easy get out though. ;)
different tyres on front and rear different grip levels .. no surprise .. been there done that in the past.. soon you learn..
they can be stored in a dark place..
So she would have spun at much lower speed if winters all round? That's comforting? ;D
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Thats the second story I have heard of rear tyres only being winter and spinning out. Were they Chinese clones?
Must suggest that getting a full good quality set is the right thing to do.
Tunnie seems to have had a reasonable experience on the winter tyres in real winter weather.
Didn't get the model of the winters, but they are Michelin.
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::) ;D
please tell her to use on all 4 tyres :y
Best tyres go on the rear cem. So she is correct. Summer tyres all round at 13c. As a winter tyre expert in uk weather, I thought you of all people should know that. :D ;D
winter and summer tyres can not be mixed.. if you do, its your risk..
I'd expect under steer below a cirtain temp/temps reversed. But no. She was quite happy in Snow, with primacy on the front.
They are now concerned how the tires will store, given the out of range heat cycles.
The fact they are on rear axle only is an easy get out though. ;)
different tyres on front and rear different grip levels .. no surprise .. been there done that in the past.. soon you learn..
they can be stored in a dark place..
So she would have spun at much lower speed if winters all round? That's comforting? ;D
what a conclusion.. hats off ;D
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::) ;D
please tell her to use on all 4 tyres :y
Best tyres go on the rear cem. So she is correct. Summer tyres all round at 13c. As a winter tyre expert in uk weather, I thought you of all people should know that. :D ;D
winter and summer tyres can not be mixed.. if you do, its your risk..
I'd expect under steer below a cirtain temp/temps reversed. But no. She was quite happy in Snow, with primacy on the front.
They are now concerned how the tires will store, given the out of range heat cycles.
The fact they are on rear axle only is an easy get out though. ;)
different tyres on front and rear different grip levels .. no surprise .. been there done that in the past.. soon you learn..
they can be stored in a dark place..
So she would have spun at much lower speed if winters all round? That's comforting? ;D
what a conclusion.. hats off ;D
Google logic filter. :y
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Thats the second story I have heard of rear tyres only being winter and spinning out. Were they Chinese clones?
Must suggest that getting a full good quality set is the right thing to do.
Tunnie seems to have had a reasonable experience on the winter tyres in real winter weather.
Didn't get the model of the winters, but they are Michelin.
Retract that quickly or TB will have a fit!
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::) ;D
please tell her to use on all 4 tyres :y
Best tyres go on the rear cem. So she is correct. Summer tyres all round at 13c. As a winter tyre expert in uk weather, I thought you of all people should know that. :D ;D
winter and summer tyres can not be mixed.. if you do, its your risk..
I'd expect under steer below a cirtain temp/temps reversed. But no. She was quite happy in Snow, with primacy on the front.
They are now concerned how the tires will store, given the out of range heat cycles.
The fact they are on rear axle only is an easy get out though. ;)
different tyres on front and rear different grip levels .. no surprise .. been there done that in the past.. soon you learn..
they can be stored in a dark place..
So she would have spun at much lower speed if winters all round? That's comforting? ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Thats the second story I have heard of rear tyres only being winter and spinning out. Were they Chinese clones?
Must suggest that getting a full good quality set is the right thing to do.
Tunnie seems to have had a reasonable experience on the winter tyres in real winter weather.
Didn't get the model of the winters, but they are Michelin.
Retract that quickly or TB will have a fit!
Bit late to worry about that I think. ;)
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I have all season front & back on my car ...... had no problems in the snow ::) ::)
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I have all season front & back on my car ...... had no problems in the snow ::) ::)
And for the other 51 weeks of the year? ::)
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I have all season front & back on my car ...... had no problems in the snow ::) ::)
But you do have 4 wheel drive......... :D :D :D
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I have all season front & back on my car ...... had no problems in the snow ::) ::)
But you do have 4 wheel drive......... :D :D :D
I left that bit out! ;D ;D ;D
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I have all season front & back on my car ...... had no problems in the snow ::) ::)
And for the other 51 weeks of the year? ::)
I'm working on making my car float to reduce tyre wear ....... almost £500 for 2 bits of rubber is taking the pi$$ ??? ;D ;D
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I have all season front & back on my car ...... had no problems in the snow ::) ::)
But you do have 4 wheel drive......... :D :D :D
I left that bit out! ;D ;D ;D
:D :D :D Had no problems myself funnily enough..... :y :y
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I have all season front & back on my car ...... had no problems in the snow ::) ::)
And for the other 51 weeks of the year? ::)
I'm working on making my car float to reduce tyre wear ....... almost £500 for 2 bits of rubber is taking the pi$$ ??? ;D ;D
What you got on :o I can get 4 tyres for the Jeep, via supplying garage for about half that, no VAT to pay...... :) :)
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I have all season front & back on my car ...... had no problems in the snow ::) ::)
And for the other 51 weeks of the year? ::)
I'm working on making my car float to reduce tyre wear ....... almost £500 for 2 bits of rubber is taking the pi$$ ??? ;D ;D
What you got on :o I can get 4 tyres for the Jeep, via supplying garage for about half that, no VAT to pay...... :) :)
255/50/19 W rated ...... mentioned in the 'balance weights' thread ;) ;) They were only £470-odd really ::). It's only money, you can't take it with you. :y :y
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Never get that lot through the purly gates anyway. ;D
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I have all season front & back on my car ...... had no problems in the snow ::) ::)
And for the other 51 weeks of the year? ::)
I'm working on making my car float to reduce tyre wear ....... almost £500 for 2 bits of rubber is taking the pi$$ ??? ;D ;D
What you got on :o I can get 4 tyres for the Jeep, via supplying garage for about half that, no VAT to pay...... :) :)
255/50/19 W rated ...... mentioned in the 'balance weights' thread ;) ;) They were only £470-odd really ::). It's only money, you can't take it with you. :y :y
No wonder Beanz are so expensive....... :D :D :D
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Never get that lot through the purly gates anyway. ;D
No harm in trying ..... ;D ;D
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No wonder Beanz are so expensive....... :D :D :D
Apparently they do well in times of hardship ...... Beanz on toast is good for you :y :y :y :y
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No wonder Beanz are so expensive....... :D :D :D
Apparently they do well in times of hardship ...... Beanz on toast is good for you :y :y :y :y
Funnily enough I had Beans on toast for tea today.... :y :y No spelling mistake..... :P :P
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Funnily enough I had Beans on toast for tea today.... :y :y No spelling mistake..... :P :P
You're letting the side down Mike .... how do you expect me to pay the remnants of my mortgage if you don't buy Beanz with a Z :y :y :y :y
as an aside ...... ::)
A work mate & I had a motor & gearbox to change. Found said motor gearbox, unbolted it, found a spark to disconnect it electrically (multi-skilled is a dirty word ::))
A long story later, we refitted the same unit to get product out of the cooker. We only burnt £11000 of product! ??? ???
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Yep dangerous to fit winter tyres to rear and summer to front - should fit either 4 x summer or 4 x winter. Ignorance rules ok ::) And cem is right :y
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Yep dangerous to fit winter tyres to rear and summer to front - should fit either 4 x summer or 4 x winter. Ignorance rules ok ::) And cem is right :y
I thought that this was the case. A bloke at work was quite pleased with his winter tyres at just the front of his VW transporter/van ...... I didn't think it was worth the discussion ;D
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Its the same as fitting new suspension parts to one side only - just common sense really
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I have all season front & back on my car ...... had no problems in the snow ::) ::)
And for the other 51 weeks of the year? ::)
I'm working on making my car float to reduce tyre wear ....... almost £500 for 2 bits of rubber is taking the pi$$ ??? ;D ;D
:o
Thought mine where bad on 18s :(
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Does sound like there's a pitiful level of grip on the winter tyres if they have unbalanced the car that much. Put them all round and the car will be balanced but cornering and stopping distances compromised for most of the UK winter. Doesn't sound like a great plan to me.
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Last year (and this year) I ran winters from late October to late March, no problems spinning out or lighting the rears up (unless it's pouring with rain and I go from 0 to WOT with a significant amount of steering lock on exiting a junction) in temperatures from -5C to +15C..
I'd posit she's either bought knock off tyres or has no idea how to drive.
Next.
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Agreed - but guess its a combination of an unbalanced car and poor driving ability
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Worked ok at the correct temp for winters. As you might expect. Trouble appears to be that the correct temp only lasted 2 weeks.
After 3 weeks since fitting they have to come off. And as Kev suggests, clearly the grip level is markedly different from summer tyres at that temp.
If the rear lost grip, the front would have too if winters all round at the same temp.
As said sooooo many times before. We just don't get the weather to justify winters.
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Last year (and this year) I ran winters from late October to late March, no problems spinning out or lighting the rears up (unless it's pouring with rain and I go from 0 to WOT with a significant amount of steering lock on exiting a junction) in temperatures from -5C to +15C..
I'd posit she's either bought knock off tyres or has no idea how to drive.
Next.
I didn't see them purchased so they could be, but he did say new.
And she can drive, trust me. Rare I know. She's a proper petrol head.
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I would add, as we have the same car, the tc is pretty good, it was corner speed that upset it by the sound of it. And that corner speed was at line astern speeds in rush hour on a motorway roundabout.
Other traffic had no problem. I asked similar questions, albeit more.... Carefully. ;D
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Have worked in Sweden, Finland and travelled extensively in Denmark. Law in Sweden says for Swedish registered cars a set (thats 4) winter tyres must be fitted from 1 December - 31 March (irrespective of weather conditions). Similar in Finland and Denmark. At the end of the day these guys are well experienced in the use of winter tyres - and the relevant point is fit a set (not 2) irrespective of weather conditions (ie temperature) from 1/12 tp 31/3. End of ;)
Your mates wifes issues are because of only fitting 2 winter tyres (unbalanced car) and poor driving ability.
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Have worked in Sweden, Finland and travelled extensively in Denmark. Law in Sweden says for Swedish registered cars a set (thats 4) winter tyres must be fitted from 1 December - 31 March (irrespective of weather conditions). Similar in Finland and Denmark. At the end of the day these guys are well experienced in the use of winter tyres - and the relevant point is fit a set (not 2) irrespective of weather conditions (ie temperature) from 1/12 tp 31/3. End of ;)
Your mates wifes issues are because of only fitting 2 winter tyres (unbalanced car) and poor driving ability.
It's s good job we don't live in those two country's then, aye. ;)
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And how does driving ability affect tyre grip? Btw?
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In the winter of 1985/86 (it was a long time ago & I can't remember ::)) in Aalborg, the taxi drivers drove in the snow as though it was a beautiful summer's day ...... but they had studded tyres on their Mercs.
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Have worked in Sweden, Finland and travelled extensively in Denmark. Law in Sweden says for Swedish registered cars a set (thats 4) winter tyres must be fitted from 1 December - 31 March (irrespective of weather conditions). Similar in Finland and Denmark. At the end of the day these guys are well experienced in the use of winter tyres - and the relevant point is fit a set (not 2) irrespective of weather conditions (ie temperature) from 1/12 tp 31/3. End of ;)
Your mates wifes issues are because of only fitting 2 winter tyres (unbalanced car) and poor driving ability.
It's s good job we don't live in those two country's then, aye. ;)
Learn to count - 3 countries ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::)
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And how does driving ability affect tyre grip? Btw?
Go on a police skid pan (or on the London Transport skid pan) and drive cars (buses) running bald tyres on a mixture of water/oil/detergent and you're learn to drive at speed with almost no tyre grip. Try it - I have (including the buses!), and then talk about driving ability affecting tyre grip. Driving ability is about retaining control with little tyre grip ::)
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Have worked in Sweden, Finland and travelled extensively in Denmark. Law in Sweden says for Swedish registered cars a set (thats 4) winter tyres must be fitted from 1 December - 31 March (irrespective of weather conditions). Similar in Finland and Denmark. At the end of the day these guys are well experienced in the use of winter tyres - and the relevant point is fit a set (not 2) irrespective of weather conditions (ie temperature) from 1/12 tp 31/3. End of ;)
Your mates wifes issues are because of only fitting 2 winter tyres (unbalanced car) and poor driving ability.
It's s good job we don't live in those two country's then, aye. ;)
Learn to count - 3 countries ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::)
Count? ??? He's still trying to smell spell! ::)
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Have worked in Sweden, Finland and travelled extensively in Denmark. Law in Sweden says for Swedish registered cars a set (thats 4) winter tyres must be fitted from 1 December - 31 March (irrespective of weather conditions). Similar in Finland and Denmark. At the end of the day these guys are well experienced in the use of winter tyres - and the relevant point is fit a set (not 2) irrespective of weather conditions (ie temperature) from 1/12 tp 31/3. End of ;)
Your mates wifes issues are because of only fitting 2 winter tyres (unbalanced car) and poor driving ability.
It's s good job we don't live in those two country's then, aye. ;)
Learn to count - 3 countries ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::) ::)
Count? ??? He's still trying to smell spell! ::)
;D ;D ;D ;D :y
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And how does driving ability affect tyre grip? Btw?
Go on a police skid pan (or on the London Transport skid pan) and drive cars (buses) running bald tyres on a mixture of water/oil/detergent and you're learn to drive at speed with almost no tyre grip. Try it - I have (including the buses!), and then talk about driving ability affecting tyre grip. Driving ability is about retaining control with little tyre grip ::)
;D so let me get this right, your saying, weather you realise it or not, that the better driver you are, the more grip you have in your tyres.
That's pretty ignorant even for you. ;D
Now, if she had lost the car in a spin, you might have an argument on the second point, but as she caught it without issue, and has been on more sporting events, driving courses and track days than anyone I know, I'd day she's more competent than you. ;D
Oh, and attention span apportioned according to relevance of post, btw.
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And how does driving ability affect tyre grip? Btw?
Go on a police skid pan (or on the London Transport skid pan) and drive cars (buses) running bald tyres on a mixture of water/oil/detergent and you're learn to drive at speed with almost no tyre grip. Try it - I have (including the buses!), and then talk about driving ability affecting tyre grip. Driving ability is about retaining control with little tyre grip ::)
;D so let me get this right, your saying, weather you realise it or not, that the better driver you are, the more grip you have in your tyres.
That's pretty ignorant even for you. ;D
Now, if she had lost the car in a spin, you might have an argument on the second point, but as she caught it without issue, and has been on more sporting events, driving courses and track days than anyone I know, I'd day she's more competent than you. ;D
Oh, and attention span apportioned according to relevance of post, btw.
Is that a pun or a mis-spelling ;D ;D ;D ;D
You didn't get it right - thats not what i was saying - just goes to reinforce your lack of understanding on this subject.
As to her competance compared to mine, sporting events, driving courses and track days mean nothing. You are not aware of my driving history or competance - you are effectively saying you have seen a bigger dog than me without any information as to what I have seen.
For your information I spent a number of years actively competing in motor sport - rallying (MGB, TR4 and Cooper S), racing - saloons (cooper "S"), sports (Ferrari Dino), Formula Ford and Formula 3. Have driven diverse vehicles from a Chiefton Tank, Le Mans winning GT40, to a Williams Formula 1 car. No doubt, despite my advanced years, but with my experience, I could still scare the proverbial out of your competant friend by driving safely but quickly on a race track. ;)
I won't be posting on this topic any more - you can now continue to flog a dead horse in my absence Mr Pixie ;D ;D
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Sounds like she's touched your nerve already ;D
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For your information I spent a number of years actively competing in motor sport - rallying (MGB, TR4 and Cooper S), racing - saloons (cooper "S"), sports (Ferrari Dino), Formula Ford and Formula 3. Have driven diverse vehicles from a Chiefton Tank, Le Mans winning GT40, to a Williams Formula 1 car. No doubt, despite my advanced years, but with my experience, I could still scare the proverbial out of your competant friend by driving safely but quickly on a race track. ;)
I won't be posting on this topic any more - you can now continue to flog a dead horse in my absence Mr Pixie ;D ;D
OMG! Was your original licence printed on papyrus? ::) ::) ;)
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Sniff sniff....
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This thread needs more info like what was she doing when the back went, braking, cornering, braking and cornering, accelerating? Was it dry or wet? What make model tyres were they and were they the standard size? Were the previous ones worn low? Are the front ones worn low? It would be useful to know all of that before deciding winter tyres are dangerous.
Eg If it was dry and her fronts were very worn and she cornered at speed the back would slide more than she would be used to with old worn backs, even if the new ones were not winter tyres. Worn tyres grip better in the dry.
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Don't know the tyre pressures either. But they are more than clued up enough to check that stuff.
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This thread needs more info like what was she doing when the back went, braking, cornering, braking and cornering, accelerating? Was it dry or wet? What make model tyres were they and were they the standard size? Were the previous ones worn low? Are the front ones worn low? It would be useful to know all of that before deciding winter tyres are dangerous.
Eg If it was dry and her fronts were very worn and she cornered at speed the back would slide more than she would be used to with old worn backs, even if the new ones were not winter tyres. Worn tyres grip better in the dry.
Irrespective of the above ..... she was right! ::)
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I've driven winters in double digits warm temp wise. Not issues, how on earth could it nearly spin the car?
I will be leaving mine on for another month or so, as in snow/slush they are mightly impressive.
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Worked ok at the correct temp for winters. As you might expect. Trouble appears to be that the correct temp only lasted 2 weeks.
After 3 weeks since fitting they have to come off. And as Kev suggests, clearly the grip level is markedly different from summer tyres at that temp.
If the rear lost grip, the front would have too if winters all round at the same temp.
As said sooooo many times before. We just don't get the weather to justify winters.
these tyres work well until 20 celcius.. and without doubt I can choose a winter tyre that can stop and corner like your contis head to head.. I wish I was there :)
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interesting posts here.
just to add my $0.02 in..... we fit budget tyres all round and have had no problem in the snow LOL! :y
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interesting posts here.
just to add my $0.02 in..... we fit budget tyres all round and have had no problem in the snow LOL! :y
sooner or later ::)
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Last year (and this year) I ran winters from late October to late March, no problems spinning out or lighting the rears up (unless it's pouring with rain and I go from 0 to WOT with a significant amount of steering lock on exiting a junction) in temperatures from -5C to +15C..
I'd posit she's either bought knock off tyres or has no idea how to drive.
Next.
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All that was needed was a little diesel spill on that corner and it wouldn't have mattered what tyres were fitted ???
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interesting posts here.
just to add my $0.02 in..... we fit budget tyres all round and have had no problem in the snow LOL! :y
sooner or later ::)
to be fair cem, i try not to drive much in the snow irrespective of what tyre i had fitted anyway so it doesnt matter to me. and i drive ridiculously slow anyway so no point for me :y
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All that was needed was a little diesel spill on that corner and it wouldn't have mattered what tyres were fitted ???
you have right.. here , diesels outnumber all others here, many of them throw small unburned particles from exhaust which cover my cars hood and the crowded roads .. so brake distances increase at the least.. :(
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I would add, as we have the same car, the tc is pretty good, it was corner speed that upset it by the sound of it. And that corner speed was at line astern speeds in rush hour on a motorway roundabout.
Other traffic had no problem. I asked similar questions, albeit more.... Carefully. ;D
Because they had the correct tyres on. ::)
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Using summer tyres on one axle and winter tyres on the other is blatantly asking for trouble. Nothing sensible about it.
As for winter tyres being useless at warmer temperatures, my mum forgot to remove her winter set last summer and had no issues, she drives a RWD 2.8 Merc.
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When I first got my saloon it had winter tyres on it and I chose to continue running them after April. They broke traction easily but no more so than cheapo budget summer tyres ::)
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interesting posts here.
just to add my $0.02 in..... we fit budget tyres all round and have had no problem in the snow LOL! :y
sooner or later ::)
Says who? Not all budget tyres are made of horsepoo ::)
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interesting posts here.
just to add my $0.02 in..... we fit budget tyres all round and have had no problem in the snow LOL! :y
sooner or later ::)
Says who? Not all budget tyres are made of horsepoo ::)
who said that.. but they are not designed for snow.. 2+2 :)
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ive got winter tyres on my rangie and they are light years better than summer tyres in the slush and ice.have all you winter tyre haters by any chance got wing wang el cheapo liquorice winter tyres on?
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ive got winter tyres on my rangie and they are light years better than summer tyres in the slush and ice.have all you winter tyre haters by any chance got wing wang el cheapo liquorice winter tyres on?
Nope, just no snow ;)
But as you say, another excuse to put another range of cheap shite tyres in the market, we do not need. :y
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These people have some for sale ;D
http://www.mud-club.com/index.php?topic=82266.0 (http://www.mud-club.com/index.php?topic=82266.0)
My tyres, as Lazydocker can testify, are M+S rated and work well in the wintry conditions that we occasionally get here. They also cost about half what some people have paid for allegedly superior (based on reviews) tyres :y
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These people have some for sale ;D
http://www.mud-club.com/index.php?topic=82266.0 (http://www.mud-club.com/index.php?topic=82266.0)
My tyres, as Lazydocker can testify, are M+S rated and work well in the wintry conditions that we occasionally get here. They also cost about half what some people have paid for allegedly superior (based on reviews) tyres :y
Agreed, they are a good find for the omega Al. :)
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I'm about to go out to pick up some shopping and it must be 10ºC out there.
I'm leaving the winter tyres on.
I'll let you all know if I fly off the road and die ;) :y
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Here's hoping you get back in one piece, no point killing yourself over a tyre review :y
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I'm about to go out to pick up some shopping and it must be 10ºC out there.
I'm leaving the winter tyres on.
I'll let you all know if I fly off the road and die ;) :y
Apparently you'll be fine, but if you had summer tyres on the front, well, that's a killer. ;D
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Don't know the tyre pressures either. But they are more than clued up enough to check that stuff.
Yes forgot that one. In fact that was probably it, overinflated on dry road (did they squeal?). Sort of thing many a tyre seller would do (overinflate, not squeal ;)).
Alternatively, if it was wet, they would have slid if underinflated (leaking past rim seals most likely if alloys) . You can be fully clued up but unless you test the pressure you will not know until you feel it. Even a visual inspection may not reveal 30% underinflation.
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The only issue here appears to be, the wrong tyres fitted to the rear axle.
Pressures ok, no puncture.
The only other possible thought was dusty road covered salt. It was dry.
However, again, other cars coped.
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if some people from snowy countries read this thread (ı'm sure they read) laughing with their ars* .. macho men+summer tyre vs winter tyre on snow ;D For those who dont have the budget its ok.. keep the car at home.. else :-X
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this year up to now only 14 days was snowy .. but I checked the cars in job few cars were on summers nearly all had winter or all season tyres..
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The only issue here appears to be, the wrong tyres fitted to the rear axle.
Pressures ok, no puncture.
The only other possible thought was dusty road covered salt. It was dry.
However, again, other cars coped.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW08ivHU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW08ivHU)
I don't think we'll ever know then. Is is stretching it a bit to conclude winter tyres are dangerous.
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I'm back. I tried my best to throw it off the road as it's +10C out there and the only time I found the limit of grip was throwing it into a hard bend off a roundabout at 15mph faster than I'd normally take it (I.e. considerably faster than the other people there)..
When I got home I realised that was just because that tyre was 10psi low and the scrub marks were evident on the sidewall where I'd cornered hard enough to roll it off the tread blocks and onto a part of the tyre with no grip.
No way would it slide at "normal" speeds or acceleration rates, much less if I was just keeping up with traffic.
That matches my experience in warmer weather, even though these tyres have already lived through a (mild) winter in 2011/12 and since October.. Even if these were only on the back axle you'd have to be driving like a complete tool and much much faster than average traffic to get into trouble.
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I'm back. I tried my best to throw it off the road as it's +10C out there and the only time I found the limit of grip was throwing it into a hard bend off a roundabout at 15mph faster than I'd normally take it (I.e. considerably faster than the other people there)..
When I got home I realised that was just because that tyre was 10psi low and the scrub marks were evident on the sidewall where I'd cornered hard enough to roll it off the tread blocks and onto a part of the tyre with no grip.
No way would it slide at "normal" speeds or acceleration rates, much less if I was just keeping up with traffic.
That matches my experience in warmer weather, even though these tyres have already lived through a (mild) winter in 2011/12 and since October.. Even if these were only on the back axle you'd have to be driving like a complete tool and much much faster than average traffic to get into trouble.
telling that winter tyres not safe above 10 celcius is whole crap.. millions of cars in europe is travelling with them until april ;D
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winter tyres are perfectly safe in summer,they just wear faster thats all.
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It is third hand info, to be fair. But that's what was said. :)
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if some people from snowy countries read this thread (ı'm sure they read) laughing with their ars* .. macho men+summer tyre vs winter tyre on snow ;D For those who dont have the budget its ok.. keep the car at home.. else :-X
Cem you probably know I'm the usually the first to mess about with these things if there's an advantage to be had. I fully accept their performance to be as you say in winter conditions. I ACCEPT WHAT TOU SAY.
...but hers the thing, you refuse to accept any other position other than your own, when your a quarter of the way round the planet googling any fact that suits your argument.
If English weather in the south turned consistently for the worse I'd fit them immediately. If I went to EASTERN Europe in winter, I'd fit them immediately.
Western Europe no, uk no, what you refuse accept is that we don't get the weather to warrant winters. 2 or 3 weeks aside, IF it snows. "iF" and if it doesn't, summer tyres will do in cold temp.
Where's Nicbat, vote ukip I say, and good riddance to Euopean Bullshit. ;D
We are not an east European country. Fact! Although I'm sure google will find something for you to suggest otherwise. ;D
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if some people from snowy countries read this thread (ı'm sure they read) laughing with their ars* .. macho men+summer tyre vs winter tyre on snow ;D For those who dont have the budget its ok.. keep the car at home.. else :-X
Cem you probably know I'm the usually the first to mess about with these things if there's an advantage to be had. I fully accept their performance to be as you say in winter conditions. I ACCEPT WHAT YOU SAY.
...but hers the thing, you refuse to accept any other position other than your own, when your a quarter of the way round the planet googling any fact that suits your argument.
If English weather in the south turned consistently for the worse I'd fit them immediately. If I went to EASTERN Europe in winter, I'd fit them immediately.
Western Europe no, uk no, what you refuse accept is that we don't get the weather to warrant winters. 2 or 3 weeks aside, IF it snows. "iF" and if it doesn't, summer tyres will do in cold temp.
Where's Nicbat, vote ukip I say, and good riddance to Euopean Bullshit. ;D
We are not an east European country. Fact! Although I'm sure google will find something for you to suggest otherwise. ;D
yep.. be sure ;D :y
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if some people from snowy countries read this thread (ı'm sure they read) laughing with their ars* .. macho men+summer tyre vs winter tyre on snow ;D For those who dont have the budget its ok.. keep the car at home.. else :-X
Cem you probably know I'm the usually the first to mess about with these things if there's an advantage to be had. I fully accept their performance to be as you say in winter conditions. I ACCEPT WHAT YOU SAY.
...but hers the thing, you refuse to accept any other position other than your own, when your a quarter of the way round the planet googling any fact that suits your argument.
If English weather in the south turned consistently for the worse I'd fit them immediately. If I went to EASTERN Europe in winter, I'd fit them immediately.
Western Europe no, uk no, what you refuse accept is that we don't get the weather to warrant winters. 2 or 3 weeks aside, IF it snows. "iF" and if it doesn't, summer tyres will do in cold temp.
Where's Nicbat, vote ukip I say, and good riddance to Euopean Bullshit. ;D
We are not an east European country. Fact! Although I'm sure google will find something for you to suggest otherwise. ;D
yep.. be sure ;D :y
cem the google bot ;D
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if some people from snowy countries read this thread (ı'm sure they read) laughing with their ars* .. macho men+summer tyre vs winter tyre on snow ;D For those who dont have the budget its ok.. keep the car at home.. else :-X
Cem you probably know I'm the usually the first to mess about with these things if there's an advantage to be had. I fully accept their performance to be as you say in winter conditions. I ACCEPT WHAT YOU SAY.
...but hers the thing, you refuse to accept any other position other than your own, when your a quarter of the way round the planet googling any fact that suits your argument.
If English weather in the south turned consistently for the worse I'd fit them immediately. If I went to EASTERN Europe in winter, I'd fit them immediately.
Western Europe no, uk no, what you refuse accept is that we don't get the weather to warrant winters. 2 or 3 weeks aside, IF it snows. "iF" and if it doesn't, summer tyres will do in cold temp.
Where's Nicbat, vote ukip I say, and good riddance to Euopean Bullshit. ;D
We are not an east European country. Fact! Although I'm sure google will find something for you to suggest otherwise. ;D
yep.. be sure ;D :y
cem the google bot ;D
I had to :-\ otherwise cant do my job.. microsoft chnages every f*ckin thing everyday.. >:(
because they have lots of sad old programmers like me :-\
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Glad you got back safe Aaron :y
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if some people from snowy countries read this thread (ı'm sure they read) laughing with their ars* .. macho men+summer tyre vs winter tyre on snow ;D For those who dont have the budget its ok.. keep the car at home.. else :-X
Cem you probably know I'm the usually the first to mess about with these things if there's an advantage to be had. I fully accept their performance to be as you say in winter conditions. I ACCEPT WHAT YOU SAY.
...but hers the thing, you refuse to accept any other position other than your own, when your a quarter of the way round the planet googling any fact that suits your argument.
If English weather in the south turned consistently for the worse I'd fit them immediately. If I went to EASTERN Europe in winter, I'd fit them immediately.
Western Europe no, uk no, what you refuse accept is that we don't get the weather to warrant winters. 2 or 3 weeks aside, IF it snows. "iF" and if it doesn't, summer tyres will do in cold temp.
Where's Nicbat, vote ukip I say, and good riddance to Euopean Bullshit. ;D
We are not an east European country. Fact! Although I'm sure google will find something for you to suggest otherwise. ;D
yep.. be sure ;D :y
cem the google bot ;D
I had to :-\ otherwise cant do my job.. microsoft chnages every f*ckin thing everyday.. >:(
because they have lots of sad old programmers like me :-\
<cem mode on>
I prescribe sticking to first hand experience when it comes to omegas .
Best way to learn. Buy an omega elite with over 60k miles, knackered bushes, poor set up, and soggy suspension, fit falkens.... Then make the bastard thing drive in a straight line.
Each fault corrected will be fealt in the way the car drives, then you'll know what works.
;D
<cem mode off>
We are in a learning curve, and we are stuck. Google wont help, as the fault doesn't fit the known rules.
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if some people from snowy countries read this thread (ı'm sure they read) laughing with their ars* .. macho men+summer tyre vs winter tyre on snow ;D For those who dont have the budget its ok.. keep the car at home.. else :-X
Cem you probably know I'm the usually the first to mess about with these things if there's an advantage to be had. I fully accept their performance to be as you say in winter conditions. I ACCEPT WHAT YOU SAY.
...but hers the thing, you refuse to accept any other position other than your own, when your a quarter of the way round the planet googling any fact that suits your argument.
If English weather in the south turned consistently for the worse I'd fit them immediately. If I went to EASTERN Europe in winter, I'd fit them immediately.
Western Europe no, uk no, what you refuse accept is that we don't get the weather to warrant winters. 2 or 3 weeks aside, IF it snows. "iF" and if it doesn't, summer tyres will do in cold temp.
Where's Nicbat, vote ukip I say, and good riddance to Euopean Bullshit. ;D
We are not an east European country. Fact! Although I'm sure google will find something for you to suggest otherwise. ;D
yep.. be sure ;D :y
cem the google bot ;D
I had to :-\ otherwise cant do my job.. microsoft chnages every f*ckin thing everyday.. >:(
because they have lots of sad old programmers like me :-\
<cem mode on>
I prescribe sticking to first hand experience when it comes to omegas .
Best way to learn. Buy an omega elite with over 60k miles, knackered bushes, poor set up, and soggy suspension, fit falkens.... Then make the bastard thing drive in a straight line.
Each fault corrected will be fealt in the way the car drives, then you'll know what works.
;D
<cem mode off>
We are in a learning curve, and we are stuck. Google wont help, as the fault doesn't fit the known rules.
;D I have learned in the hardest way like you explained ..
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if some people from snowy countries read this thread (ı'm sure they read) laughing with their ars* .. macho men+summer tyre vs winter tyre on snow ;D For those who dont have the budget its ok.. keep the car at home.. else :-X
Cem you probably know I'm the usually the first to mess about with these things if there's an advantage to be had. I fully accept their performance to be as you say in winter conditions. I ACCEPT WHAT YOU SAY.
...but hers the thing, you refuse to accept any other position other than your own, when your a quarter of the way round the planet googling any fact that suits your argument.
If English weather in the south turned consistently for the worse I'd fit them immediately. If I went to EASTERN Europe in winter, I'd fit them immediately.
Western Europe no, uk no, what you refuse accept is that we don't get the weather to warrant winters. 2 or 3 weeks aside, IF it snows. "iF" and if it doesn't, summer tyres will do in cold temp.
Where's Nicbat, vote ukip I say, and good riddance to Euopean Bullshit. ;D
We are not an east European country. Fact! Although I'm sure google will find something for you to suggest otherwise. ;D
yep.. be sure ;D :y
cem the google bot ;D
I had to :-\ otherwise cant do my job.. microsoft chnages every f*ckin thing everyday.. >:(
because they have lots of sad old programmers like me :-\
<cem mode on>
I prescribe sticking to first hand experience when it comes to omegas .
Best way to learn. Buy an omega elite with over 60k miles, knackered bushes, poor set up, and soggy suspension, fit falkens.... Then make the bastard thing drive in a straight line.
Each fault corrected will be fealt in the way the car drives, then you'll know what works.
;D
<cem mode off>
We are in a learning curve, and we are stuck. Google wont help, as the fault doesn't fit the known rules.
;D I have learned in the hardest way like you explained ..
Yet you have not one helpful post.
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if some people from snowy countries read this thread (ı'm sure they read) laughing with their ars* .. macho men+summer tyre vs winter tyre on snow ;D For those who dont have the budget its ok.. keep the car at home.. else :-X
Cem you probably know I'm the usually the first to mess about with these things if there's an advantage to be had. I fully accept their performance to be as you say in winter conditions. I ACCEPT WHAT YOU SAY.
...but hers the thing, you refuse to accept any other position other than your own, when your a quarter of the way round the planet googling any fact that suits your argument.
If English weather in the south turned consistently for the worse I'd fit them immediately. If I went to EASTERN Europe in winter, I'd fit them immediately.
Western Europe no, uk no, what you refuse accept is that we don't get the weather to warrant winters. 2 or 3 weeks aside, IF it snows. "iF" and if it doesn't, summer tyres will do in cold temp.
Where's Nicbat, vote ukip I say, and good riddance to Euopean Bullshit. ;D
We are not an east European country. Fact! Although I'm sure google will find something for you to suggest otherwise. ;D
yep.. be sure ;D :y
cem the google bot ;D
I had to :-\ otherwise cant do my job.. microsoft chnages every f*ckin thing everyday.. >:(
because they have lots of sad old programmers like me :-\
<cem mode on>
I prescribe sticking to first hand experience when it comes to omegas .
Best way to learn. Buy an omega elite with over 60k miles, knackered bushes, poor set up, and soggy suspension, fit falkens.... Then make the bastard thing drive in a straight line.
Each fault corrected will be fealt in the way the car drives, then you'll know what works.
;D
<cem mode off>
We are in a learning curve, and we are stuck. Google wont help, as the fault doesn't fit the known rules.
;D I have learned in the hardest way like you explained ..
Yet you have not one helpful post.
I have a whole thread dedicated for you , shared lots of posts , told you that you cant solve without equipment and still you are ignoring my all writings..
sorry but you are more stubborn than me.. go on as you wish..
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if some people from snowy countries read this thread (ı'm sure they read) laughing with their ars* .. macho men+summer tyre vs winter tyre on snow ;D For those who dont have the budget its ok.. keep the car at home.. else :-X
Cem you probably know I'm the usually the first to mess about with these things if there's an advantage to be had. I fully accept their performance to be as you say in winter conditions. I ACCEPT WHAT YOU SAY.
...but hers the thing, you refuse to accept any other position other than your own, when your a quarter of the way round the planet googling any fact that suits your argument.
If English weather in the south turned consistently for the worse I'd fit them immediately. If I went to EASTERN Europe in winter, I'd fit them immediately.
Western Europe no, uk no, what you refuse accept is that we don't get the weather to warrant winters. 2 or 3 weeks aside, IF it snows. "iF" and if it doesn't, summer tyres will do in cold temp.
Where's Nicbat, vote ukip I say, and good riddance to Euopean Bullshit. ;D
We are not an east European country. Fact! Although I'm sure google will find something for you to suggest otherwise. ;D
yep.. be sure ;D :y
cem the google bot ;D
I had to :-\ otherwise cant do my job.. microsoft chnages every f*ckin thing everyday.. >:(
because they have lots of sad old programmers like me :-\
<cem mode on>
I prescribe sticking to first hand experience when it comes to omegas .
Best way to learn. Buy an omega elite with over 60k miles, knackered bushes, poor set up, and soggy suspension, fit falkens.... Then make the bastard thing drive in a straight line.
Each fault corrected will be fealt in the way the car drives, then you'll know what works.
;D
<cem mode off>
We are in a learning curve, and we are stuck. Google wont help, as the fault doesn't fit the known rules.
;D I have learned in the hardest way like you explained ..
Yet you have not one helpful post.
I have a whole thread dedicated for you , shared lots of posts , told you that you cant solve without equipment and still you are ignoring my all writings..
sorry but you are more stubborn than me.. go on as you wish..
You said no equipment exists to test tram lining, yes!
I mean that IS what you said, right?
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if some people from snowy countries read this thread (ı'm sure they read) laughing with their ars* .. macho men+summer tyre vs winter tyre on snow ;D For those who dont have the budget its ok.. keep the car at home.. else :-X
Cem you probably know I'm the usually the first to mess about with these things if there's an advantage to be had. I fully accept their performance to be as you say in winter conditions. I ACCEPT WHAT YOU SAY.
...but hers the thing, you refuse to accept any other position other than your own, when your a quarter of the way round the planet googling any fact that suits your argument.
If English weather in the south turned consistently for the worse I'd fit them immediately. If I went to EASTERN Europe in winter, I'd fit them immediately.
Western Europe no, uk no, what you refuse accept is that we don't get the weather to warrant winters. 2 or 3 weeks aside, IF it snows. "iF" and if it doesn't, summer tyres will do in cold temp.
Where's Nicbat, vote ukip I say, and good riddance to Euopean Bullshit. ;D
We are not an east European country. Fact! Although I'm sure google will find something for you to suggest otherwise. ;D
yep.. be sure ;D :y
cem the google bot ;D
I had to :-\ otherwise cant do my job.. microsoft chnages every f*ckin thing everyday.. >:(
because they have lots of sad old programmers like me :-\
<cem mode on>
I prescribe sticking to first hand experience when it comes to omegas .
Best way to learn. Buy an omega elite with over 60k miles, knackered bushes, poor set up, and soggy suspension, fit falkens.... Then make the bastard thing drive in a straight line.
Each fault corrected will be fealt in the way the car drives, then you'll know what works.
;D
<cem mode off>
We are in a learning curve, and we are stuck. Google wont help, as the fault doesn't fit the known rules.
;D I have learned in the hardest way like you explained ..
Yet you have not one helpful post.
I have a whole thread dedicated for you , shared lots of posts , told you that you cant solve without equipment and still you are ignoring my all writings..
sorry but you are more stubborn than me.. go on as you wish..
You said no equipment exists to test tram lining, yes!
I mean that IS what you said, right?
do you want to test tyres for comparison or do you want to see which tyre suitable for omega or do you want to measure tramlining ?
which one ?
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and let me ask you a question : how many percent of UK roads have grooves or some traces that it causes tramlining..
here less than 1%.. I dont even care about it.. ;D
and how many snowy days in percentage have UK ? so if you ignore the second why not ignore the first also?
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if some people from snowy countries read this thread (ı'm sure they read) laughing with their ars* .. macho men+summer tyre vs winter tyre on snow ;D For those who dont have the budget its ok.. keep the car at home.. else :-X
Cem you probably know I'm the usually the first to mess about with these things if there's an advantage to be had. I fully accept their performance to be as you say in winter conditions. I ACCEPT WHAT YOU SAY.
...but hers the thing, you refuse to accept any other position other than your own, when your a quarter of the way round the planet googling any fact that suits your argument.
If English weather in the south turned consistently for the worse I'd fit them immediately. If I went to EASTERN Europe in winter, I'd fit them immediately.
Western Europe no, uk no, what you refuse accept is that we don't get the weather to warrant winters. 2 or 3 weeks aside, IF it snows. "iF" and if it doesn't, summer tyres will do in cold temp.
Where's Nicbat, vote ukip I say, and good riddance to Euopean Bullshit. ;D
We are not an east European country. Fact! Although I'm sure google will find something for you to suggest otherwise. ;D
yep.. be sure ;D :y
cem the google bot ;D
I had to :-\ otherwise cant do my job.. microsoft chnages every f*ckin thing everyday.. >:(
because they have lots of sad old programmers like me :-\
<cem mode on>
I prescribe sticking to first hand experience when it comes to omegas .
Best way to learn. Buy an omega elite with over 60k miles, knackered bushes, poor set up, and soggy suspension, fit falkens.... Then make the bastard thing drive in a straight line.
Each fault corrected will be fealt in the way the car drives, then you'll know what works.
;D
<cem mode off>
We are in a learning curve, and we are stuck. Google wont help, as the fault doesn't fit the known rules.
;D I have learned in the hardest way like you explained ..
Yet you have not one helpful post.
I have a whole thread dedicated for you , shared lots of posts , told you that you cant solve without equipment and still you are ignoring my all writings..
sorry but you are more stubborn than me.. go on as you wish..
You said no equipment exists to test tram lining, yes!
I mean that IS what you said, right?
do you want to test tyres for comparison or do you want to see which tyre suitable for omega or do you want to measure tramlining ?
which one ?
ok I'll play along.
Which tyre is suitable for omega.
But to be more specific, which tyre of all that are available tram lines the least. If the that tyre still tramlines. Bye bye omega. Because the problem can't be solved.
Now answer my question, please. :)
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and let me ask you a question : how many percent of UK roads have grooves or some traces that it causes tramlining..
here less than 1%.. I dont even care about it.. ;D
and how many snowy days in percentage have UK ? so if you ignore the second why not ignore the first also?
99% don't know which side of the road to drive in cem. All things are relative.
And I'd give you the second one if we had more than a week of snow, and actually only3 days of snow on the road. (So far)
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and let me ask you a question : how many percent of UK roads have grooves or some traces that it causes tramlining..
here less than 1%.. I dont even care about it.. ;D
and how many snowy days in percentage have UK ? so if you ignore the second why not ignore the first also?
99% don't know which side of the road to drive in cem. All things are relative.
And I'd give you the second one if we had more than a week of snow, and actually only3 days of snow on the road. (So far)
you dont tell the reason why you dont ignore the first.. :(
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do you want to test tyres for comparison or do you want to see which tyre suitable for omega or do you want to measure tramlining ?
which one ?
ok I'll play along.
Which tyre is suitable for omega.
thats the point where your mistake begin.. if tyre producers built different tyres for every car where will this end.. very rarely they will prepare a tyre specific for a car.. in that case no one tyre will be a complete match for that chasis.. test results prooved that a million times.. instead of car specific design tyre producers built their tyres for road conditions.. wet & dry & snowy.. so their compounds reflect the options of tyre maker..
But to be more specific, which tyre of all that are available tram lines the least. If the that tyre still tramlines. Bye bye omega. Because the problem can't be solved.
Chris, even the most expensive cars will tramline.. look in BMW, Audi forums.. lots of pages discussing that subject for a solution ..
and most of their solution is to go and buy another brand set ;D
Now answer my question, please.
You said no equipment exists to test tram lining, yes ?
Yes..there is no equipment to measure tramlining directly although this device can be built.. but instead techs measure the components of tramlining which cause it.. and try to cure it like WIM do.. and thats a more simple solution.. (they play with Toe)
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Cem when you have fitted sc3 mo and TT, used them for their life and insured the car is fault free and set up correctly, then you can talk with experience.
Extra toe does help, slightly. Agreed.
-
and let me ask you a question : how many percent of UK roads have grooves or some traces that it causes tramlining..
here less than 1%.. I dont even care about it.. ;D
and how many snowy days in percentage have UK ? so if you ignore the second why not ignore the first also?
99% don't know which side of the road to drive in cem. All things are relative.
And I'd give you the second one if we had more than a week of snow, and actually only3 days of snow on the road. (So far)
you dont tell the reason why you dont ignore the first.. :(
because you haven't experienced it in a bad enough case, or you drive like miss daisy. ;)
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Cem when you have fitted sc3 mo and TT, used them for their life and insured the car is fault free and set up correctly, then you can talk with experience.
Extra toe does help, slightly. Agreed.
;D ;D ;D ;D do you know how many tyres I buy and install for my friends yearly ;D
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and let me ask you a question : how many percent of UK roads have grooves or some traces that it causes tramlining..
here less than 1%.. I dont even care about it.. ;D
and how many snowy days in percentage have UK ? so if you ignore the second why not ignore the first also?
99% don't know which side of the road to drive in cem. All things are relative.
And I'd give you the second one if we had more than a week of snow, and actually only3 days of snow on the road. (So far)
you dont tell the reason why you dont ignore the first.. :(
because you haven't experienced it in a bad enough case, or you drive like miss daisy. ;)
neither..
-
and let me ask you a question : how many percent of UK roads have grooves or some traces that it causes tramlining..
here less than 1%.. I dont even care about it.. ;D
and how many snowy days in percentage have UK ? so if you ignore the second why not ignore the first also?
99% don't know which side of the road to drive in cem. All things are relative.
And I'd give you the second one if we had more than a week of snow, and actually only3 days of snow on the road. (So far)
you dont tell the reason why you dont ignore the first.. :(
because you haven't experienced it in a bad enough case, or you drive like miss daisy. ;)
neither..
Well, you do have Goodyear Eagle F1 iirc, so can we finally say that's a useful post cem?
In that Goodyears don't tramline?
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Cem when you have fitted sc3 mo and TT, used them for their life and insured the car is fault free and set up correctly, then you can talk with experience.
Extra toe does help, slightly. Agreed.
;D ;D ;D ;D do you know how many tyres I buy and install for my friends yearly ;D
how many have omegas?
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Cem when you have fitted sc3 mo and TT, used them for their life and insured the car is fault free and set up correctly, then you can talk with experience.
Extra toe does help, slightly. Agreed.
;D ;D ;D ;D do you know how many tyres I buy and install for my friends yearly ;D
how many have omegas?
2 .. but there are bigger cars smaller cars for the whole tyre range..
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Cem when you have fitted sc3 mo and TT, used them for their life and insured the car is fault free and set up correctly, then you can talk with experience.
Extra toe does help, slightly. Agreed.
;D ;D ;D ;D do you know how many tyres I buy and install for my friends yearly ;D
how many have omegas?
2 .. but there are bigger cars smaller cars for the whole tyre range..
So you have f1's
What did the other two omegas fit?
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Cem when you have fitted sc3 mo and TT, used them for their life and insured the car is fault free and set up correctly, then you can talk with experience.
Extra toe does help, slightly. Agreed.
;D ;D ;D ;D do you know how many tyres I buy and install for my friends yearly ;D
how many have omegas?
2 .. but there are bigger cars smaller cars for the whole tyre range..
So you have f1's
What did the other two omegas fit?
they have used different brands bridgestones,kumho,hankook etc etc..
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Cem when you have fitted sc3 mo and TT, used them for their life and insured the car is fault free and set up correctly, then you can talk with experience.
Extra toe does help, slightly. Agreed.
;D ;D ;D ;D do you know how many tyres I buy and install for my friends yearly ;D
how many have omegas?
2 .. but there are bigger cars smaller cars for the whole tyre range..
So you have f1's
What did the other two omegas fit?
they have used different brands bridgestones,kumho,hankook etc etc..
And? Results? And which models? :)
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Cem when you have fitted sc3 mo and TT, used them for their life and insured the car is fault free and set up correctly, then you can talk with experience.
Extra toe does help, slightly. Agreed.
;D ;D ;D ;D do you know how many tyres I buy and install for my friends yearly ;D
how many have omegas?
2 .. but there are bigger cars smaller cars for the whole tyre range..
So you have f1's
What did the other two omegas fit?
they have used different brands bridgestones,kumho,hankook etc etc..
And? Results? And which models? :)
they are not F1 drivers ;D they choose tyres to have longer life or cheaper brands..
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Cem when you have fitted sc3 mo and TT, used them for their life and insured the car is fault free and set up correctly, then you can talk with experience.
Extra toe does help, slightly. Agreed.
;D ;D ;D ;D do you know how many tyres I buy and install for my friends yearly ;D
how many have omegas?
2 .. but there are bigger cars smaller cars for the whole tyre range..
So you have f1's
What did the other two omegas fit?
they have used different brands bridgestones,kumho,hankook etc etc..
And? Results? And which models? :)
they are not F1 drivers ;D they choose tyres to have longer life or cheaper brands..
You don't know!
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but if you ask for Conti and Micheline pilot sports (they are installed on mostly BMW series 5 or 7) I didnt hear any complaint..
except 7 series for relatively shorter life..
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but if you ask for Conti and Micheline pilot sports (they are installed on mostly BMW series 5 or 7) I didnt hear any complaint..
except 7 series for relatively shorter life..
Pointless post. Go buy a Beemer. ;)
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but if you ask for Conti and Micheline pilot sports (they are installed on mostly BMW series 5 or 7) I didnt hear any complaint..
except 7 series for relatively shorter life..
Pointless post. Go buy a Beemer. ;)
why you dont ;D
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but if you ask for Conti and Micheline pilot sports (they are installed on mostly BMW series 5 or 7) I didnt hear any complaint..
except 7 series for relatively shorter life..
Pointless post. Go buy a Beemer. ;)
why you dont ;D
Because they suit you so well. Cem. ;D
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but if you ask for Conti and Micheline pilot sports (they are installed on mostly BMW series 5 or 7) I didnt hear any complaint..
except 7 series for relatively shorter life..
Pointless post. Go buy a Beemer. ;)
why you dont ;D
Because they suit you so well. Cem. ;D
One friend programmer (woman) bought a brand new 525d last week.. nice car.. but not for me..
but imo BMW may well suit you as bimmer groups mostly discuss tramlining ;D ;D :y
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Bothered?
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but if you ask for Conti and Micheline pilot sports (they are installed on mostly BMW series 5 or 7) I didnt hear any complaint..
except 7 series for relatively shorter life..
Pointless post. Go buy a Beemer. ;)
why you dont ;D
Because they suit you so well. Cem. ;D
One friend programmer (woman) bought a brand new 525d last week.. nice car.. but not for me..
but imo BMW may well suit you as bimmer groups mostly discuss tramlining ;D ;D :y
which proves the point. Useless info.
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Can I just say. This friend of yours may be a very good driver, but certainly having differential grip on the 2 axles wont help anyone.
In fact on a previous car I had, having two different brands on the 2 axles would set the TC/ESP off on a constant basis. It was a known problem on the forums with an easy cure. Go for the same make of tyre all around.
Lastly, why do you attribute the spin to the winter tyres? If the car has poor grip on any axle and it looses traction, then the car will spin off. The fact that other cars didn't maybe due to the fact that they are different cars, FWD maybe, dont have differential grip, weren't driving like an idiot, oil patch etc etc.
I drove all of 2010 on winter tyres on my Focus ST because I was too lazy to get it changed. They were Cooper weathermasters, not a premium brand at all. And other than slightly mushier handling, a bit more noise and slightly more wear, I had no issues. I certainly didnt die or loose control or even slip or slide around. This was throughout the summer months.
Currently London temps are around 6-9 deg C. I have driven both my Elites to work over the last week. One has SC3's, 2 yrs old the other has Dunlop Winter 3Ds 24 months old. Both have been through 2 lots of changes and storage. Both cars have had WIM setup. SC3s break traction, the Dunlops dont. Same driver, similar style of driving, same route, similar temps. And not a drop of snow to be seen. My personal choice is the Dunlop, just feels more secure and planted. You could take that as real world experience or ignore it if you wish.
BTW I dont have tramlining issues unless the road surface is poor.
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And how does driving ability affect tyre grip? Btw?
Go on a police skid pan (or on the London Transport skid pan) and drive cars (buses) running bald tyres on a mixture of water/oil/detergent and you're learn to drive at speed with almost no tyre grip. Try it - I have (including the buses!), and then talk about driving ability affecting tyre grip. Driving ability is about retaining control with little tyre grip ::)
;D so let me get this right, your saying, weather you realise it or not, that the better driver you are, the more grip you have in your tyres.
That's pretty ignorant even for you. ;D
Now, if she had lost the car in a spin, you might have an argument on the second point, but as she caught it without issue, and has been on more sporting events, driving courses and track days than anyone I know, I'd day she's more competent than you. ;D
Oh, and attention span apportioned according to relevance of post, btw.
Is that a pun or a mis-spelling ;D ;D ;D ;D
You didn't get it right - thats not what i was saying - just goes to reinforce your lack of understanding on this subject.
As to her competance compared to mine, sporting events, driving courses and track days mean nothing. You are not aware of my driving history or competance - you are effectively saying you have seen a bigger dog than me without any information as to what I have seen.
For your information I spent a number of years actively competing in motor sport - rallying (MGB, TR4 and Cooper S), racing - saloons (cooper "S"), sports (Ferrari Dino), Formula Ford and Formula 3. Have driven diverse vehicles from a Chiefton Tank, Le Mans winning GT40, to a Williams Formula 1 car. No doubt, despite my advanced years, but with my experience, I could still scare the proverbial out of your competant friend by driving safely but quickly on a race track. ;)
I won't be posting on this topic any more - you can now continue to flog a dead horse in my absence Mr Pixie ;D ;D
Totally agree as smooth driving means you can push much harder. Sliding friction is about 65% of static friction. In this thread are some examples of static v sliding friction for tyres and a very interesting table from Finland on braking distances for different tyres and abs v non-abs.
http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/5359-Motion-friction-vs-static-friction-and-where-are-the-coefficient-values-from (http://isiforums.net/f/showthread.php/5359-Motion-friction-vs-static-friction-and-where-are-the-coefficient-values-from)
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if some people from snowy countries read this thread (ı'm sure they read) laughing with their ars* .. macho men+summer tyre vs winter tyre on snow ;D For those who dont have the budget its ok.. keep the car at home.. else :-X
Cem you probably know I'm the usually the first to mess about with these things if there's an advantage to be had. I fully accept their performance to be as you say in winter conditions. I ACCEPT WHAT TOU SAY.
...but hers the thing, you refuse to accept any other position other than your own, when your a quarter of the way round the planet googling any fact that suits your argument.
If English weather in the south turned consistently for the worse I'd fit them immediately. If I went to EASTERN Europe in winter, I'd fit them immediately.
Western Europe no, uk no, what you refuse accept is that we don't get the weather to warrant winters. 2 or 3 weeks aside, IF it snows. "iF" and if it doesn't, summer tyres will do in cold temp.
Where's Nicbat, vote ukip I say, and good riddance to Euopean Bullshit. ;D
We are not an east European country. Fact! Although I'm sure google will find something for you to suggest otherwise. ;D
Oh yes you would.
I think France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands, parts of Germany are considered to be Western Europe. ;) I would also add that this winter so far has been relatively mild, but there also appears to be no consistency in the weather anymore. Marseille had snow in 2009, :o - first time in years. But places like the Ardennes in Belgium, the Eifel in Germany, areas of the Lorraine in France regularly see temps of -10 during winter. In the Ardennes + Eifel, -15 is quite normal in winter.
Oh .... and having winter tyres on all four corners is the law.
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if some people from snowy countries read this thread (ı'm sure they read) laughing with their ars* .. macho men+summer tyre vs winter tyre on snow ;D For those who dont have the budget its ok.. keep the car at home.. else :-X
Cem you probably know I'm the usually the first to mess about with these things if there's an advantage to be had. I fully accept their performance to be as you say in winter conditions. I ACCEPT WHAT TOU SAY.
...but hers the thing, you refuse to accept any other position other than your own, when your a quarter of the way round the planet googling any fact that suits your argument.
If English weather in the south turned consistently for the worse I'd fit them immediately. If I went to EASTERN Europe in winter, I'd fit them immediately.
Western Europe no, uk no, what you refuse accept is that we don't get the weather to warrant winters. 2 or 3 weeks aside, IF it snows. "iF" and if it doesn't, summer tyres will do in cold temp.
Where's Nicbat, vote ukip I say, and good riddance to Euopean Bullshit. ;D
We are not an east European country. Fact! Although I'm sure google will find something for you to suggest otherwise. ;D
Oh yes you would.
I think France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands, parts of Germany are considered to be Western Europe. ;) I would also add that this winter so far has been relatively mild, but there also appears to be no consistency in the weather anymore. Marseille had snow in 2009, :o - first time in years. But places like the Ardennes in Belgium, the Eifel in Germany, areas of the Lorraine in France regularly see temps of -10 during winter. In the Ardennes + Eifel, -15 is quite normal in winter.
Oh .... and having winter tyres on all four corners is the law.
Pedant! ;D
Your over playing it, I have said and a agree, where there's a need, I'd fit them. Be happy. ;)
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if some people from snowy countries read this thread (ı'm sure they read) laughing with their ars* .. macho men+summer tyre vs winter tyre on snow ;D For those who dont have the budget its ok.. keep the car at home.. else :-X
Cem you probably know I'm the usually the first to mess about with these things if there's an advantage to be had. I fully accept their performance to be as you say in winter conditions. I ACCEPT WHAT TOU SAY.
...but hers the thing, you refuse to accept any other position other than your own, when your a quarter of the way round the planet googling any fact that suits your argument.
If English weather in the south turned consistently for the worse I'd fit them immediately. If I went to EASTERN Europe in winter, I'd fit them immediately.
Western Europe no, uk no, what you refuse accept is that we don't get the weather to warrant winters. 2 or 3 weeks aside, IF it snows. "iF" and if it doesn't, summer tyres will do in cold temp.
Where's Nicbat, vote ukip I say, and good riddance to Euopean Bullshit. ;D
We are not an east European country. Fact! Although I'm sure google will find something for you to suggest otherwise. ;D
Oh yes you would.
I think France, Belgium, Luxembourg, Netherlands, parts of Germany are considered to be Western Europe. ;) I would also add that this winter so far has been relatively mild, but there also appears to be no consistency in the weather anymore. Marseille had snow in 2009, :o - first time in years. But places like the Ardennes in Belgium, the Eifel in Germany, areas of the Lorraine in France regularly see temps of -10 during winter. In the Ardennes + Eifel, -15 is quite normal in winter.
Oh .... and having winter tyres on all four corners is the law.
Pedant! ;D
Your over playing it, I have said and a agree, where there's a need, I'd fit them. Be happy. ;)
;D
Happy? Oh, yes. Happy you agree ;) Really I am. ;)
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::) ;D
please tell her to use on all 4 tyres :y
Best tyres go on the rear cem. So she is correct. Summer tyres all round at 13c. As a winter tyre expert in uk weather, I thought you of all people should know that. :D ;D
winter and summer tyres can not be mixed.. if you do, its your risk..
I'd expect under steer below a cirtain temp/temps reversed. But no. She was quite happy in Snow, with primacy on the front.
They are now concerned how the tires will store, given the out of range heat cycles.
The fact they are on rear axle only is an easy get out though. ;)
different tyres on front and rear different grip levels .. no surprise .. been there done that in the past.. soon you learn..
they can be stored in a dark place..
So she would have spun at much lower speed if winters all round? That's comforting? ;D
Sounds like the best tyres were on the front (at 13 degC)
With four winter tyres on the fronts would have turned to jelly at the same time as the rears, the steering would have felt awful and she might have had the sense to ease of the throttle. ::)
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I've never had winter tyres on any of my cars, excluding a 7 Series BMW that had one Pirelli SOTTOZERO on. I've never crashed in the snow *touch wood*, and have on most occasions been driving around with budget tyres on. I honestly find, if you drive to the road conditions you'll be ok. No doubting the fact winter tyres must help, although I wouldn't buy them personally.
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Well "Winter tyres dangerous" I find difficult to accept from my experience which is:-
Had them on Migsy since I put her on the road to replace Miggy (beginning of Dec)
Since then Migsy's done 3000mls which includes 7 journeys to the East coast (round trip of appox 140 mls
Return trip I do as rule very late evening on fairly traffic free roads under I think the term is spirited driving conditions
During this time the roads have been I would say varied from wintry to dry
I can omly say that during this time I've found them to be excellent at road holding in all conditions so long as common sense is used
This has inspired a great deal of confidence in me
I find it difficult to come to terms that winter tyres are unsafe
Possibly some are
I think like all tyres it may depend on which tyres they are
Migsy at present has 15" VX Steel wheels with 195 65 R15 Michelin Alpin tyres on
These will be comeing off in a few weeks time
Can't wait as their not pleasing to the eye
But I think their possibly safer on winter/icey roads
And the steelies are much more able to resist potholes
And cheaper to replace if damaged
Migsy will then have Miggy's 18" Sportstars on
Yippee can't wait :y :y
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Well "Winter tyres dangerous" I find difficult to accept from my experience which is:-
Had them on Migsy since I put her on the road to replace Miggy (beginning of Dec)
Since then Migsy's done 3000mls which includes 7 journeys to the East coast (round trip of appox 140 mls
Return trip I do as rule very late evening on fairly traffic free roads under I think the term is spirited driving conditions
During this time the roads have been I would say varied from wintry to dry
I can omly say that during this time I've found them to be excellent at road holding in all conditions so long as common sense is used
This has inspired a great deal of confidence in me
I find it difficult to come to terms that winter tyres are unsafe
Possibly some are
I think like all tyres it may depend on which tyres they are
Migsy at present has 15" VX Steel wheels with 195 65 R15 Michelin Alpin tyres on
These will be comeing off in a few weeks time
Can't wait as their not pleasing to the eye
But I think their possibly safer on winter/icey roads
And the steelies are much more able to resist potholes
And cheaper to replace if damaged
Migsy will then have Miggy's 18" Sportstars on
Yippee can't wait :y :y
Winter tyres per se are not dangerous so agree with you - and glad you are pleased with yours - but I bet you fitted 4 of them ;) Remember those countries that legislate their use state all 4 tyres, irrespective of climatic conditions over a fixed time period!
Its mixing 2 summers and 2 winters which is stupid and potentially dangerous by unbalancing car under certain conditions. There's a load of crap been posted about performance temperatures (ok at one temp but not at +1 deg C etc) - thats also rubbish. If you run winters at higher ambient temperatures you will lose a bit of grip compared to summers, but the main issue will be one of rapid wear, as someone stated aove.
I know I said I wouldn't post on this topic again, but sorry couldn't resist it ;)
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Well "Winter tyres dangerous" I find difficult to accept from my experience which is:-
Had them on Migsy since I put her on the road to replace Miggy (beginning of Dec)
Since then Migsy's done 3000mls which includes 7 journeys to the East coast (round trip of appox 140 mls
Return trip I do as rule very late evening on fairly traffic free roads under I think the term is spirited driving conditions
During this time the roads have been I would say varied from wintry to dry
I can omly say that during this time I've found them to be excellent at road holding in all conditions so long as common sense is used
This has inspired a great deal of confidence in me
I find it difficult to come to terms that winter tyres are unsafe
Possibly some are
I think like all tyres it may depend on which tyres they are
Migsy at present has 15" VX Steel wheels with 195 65 R15 Michelin Alpin tyres on
These will be comeing off in a few weeks time
Can't wait as their not pleasing to the eye
But I think their possibly safer on winter/icey roads
And the steelies are much more able to resist potholes
And cheaper to replace if damaged
Migsy will then have Miggy's 18" Sportstars on
Yippee can't wait :y :y
Winter tyres per se are not dangerous so agree with you - and glad you are pleased with yours - but I bet you fitted 4 of them ;) Remember those countries that legislate their use state all 4 tyres, irrespective of climatic conditions over a fixed time period!
Its mixing 2 summers and 2 winters which is stupid and potentially dangerous by unbalancing car under certain conditions. There's a load of crap been posted about performance temperatures (ok at one temp but not at +1 deg C etc) - thats also rubbish. If you run winters at higher ambient temperatures you will lose a bit of grip compared to summers, but the main issue will be one of rapid wear, as someone stated aove.
I know I said I wouldn't post on this topic again, but sorry couldn't resist it ;)
So not "that" stupid then. ::)
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Well "Winter tyres dangerous" I find difficult to accept from my experience which is:-
Had them on Migsy since I put her on the road to replace Miggy (beginning of Dec)
Since then Migsy's done 3000mls which includes 7 journeys to the East coast (round trip of appox 140 mls
Return trip I do as rule very late evening on fairly traffic free roads under I think the term is spirited driving conditions
During this time the roads have been I would say varied from wintry to dry
I can omly say that during this time I've found them to be excellent at road holding in all conditions so long as common sense is used
This has inspired a great deal of confidence in me
I find it difficult to come to terms that winter tyres are unsafe
Possibly some are
I think like all tyres it may depend on which tyres they are
Migsy at present has 15" VX Steel wheels with 195 65 R15 Michelin Alpin tyres on
These will be comeing off in a few weeks time
Can't wait as their not pleasing to the eye
But I think their possibly safer on winter/icey roads
And the steelies are much more able to resist potholes
And cheaper to replace if damaged
Migsy will then have Miggy's 18" Sportstars on
Yippee can't wait :y :y
Winter tyres per se are not dangerous so agree with you - and glad you are pleased with yours - but I bet you fitted 4 of them ;) Remember those countries that legislate their use state all 4 tyres, irrespective of climatic conditions over a fixed time period!
Its mixing 2 summers and 2 winters which is stupid and potentially dangerous by unbalancing car under certain conditions. There's a load of crap been posted about performance temperatures (ok at one temp but not at +1 deg C etc) - thats also rubbish. If you run winters at higher ambient temperatures you will lose a bit of grip compared to summers, but the main issue will be one of rapid wear, as someone stated aove.
I know I said I wouldn't post on this topic again, but sorry couldn't resist it ;)
So not "that" stupid then. ::)
Stupid to mix them - would you mix suspension parts? Probably not I guess as thats also stupid
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Well "Winter tyres dangerous" I find difficult to accept from my experience which is:-
Had them on Migsy since I put her on the road to replace Miggy (beginning of Dec)
Since then Migsy's done 3000mls which includes 7 journeys to the East coast (round trip of appox 140 mls
Return trip I do as rule very late evening on fairly traffic free roads under I think the term is spirited driving conditions
During this time the roads have been I would say varied from wintry to dry
I can omly say that during this time I've found them to be excellent at road holding in all conditions so long as common sense is used
This has inspired a great deal of confidence in me
I find it difficult to come to terms that winter tyres are unsafe
Possibly some are
I think like all tyres it may depend on which tyres they are
Migsy at present has 15" VX Steel wheels with 195 65 R15 Michelin Alpin tyres on
These will be comeing off in a few weeks time
Can't wait as their not pleasing to the eye
But I think their possibly safer on winter/icey roads
And the steelies are much more able to resist potholes
And cheaper to replace if damaged
Migsy will then have Miggy's 18" Sportstars on
Yippee can't wait :y :y
Winter tyres per se are not dangerous so agree with you - and glad you are pleased with yours - but I bet you fitted 4 of them ;) Remember those countries that legislate their use state all 4 tyres, irrespective of climatic conditions over a fixed time period!
Its mixing 2 summers and 2 winters which is stupid and potentially dangerous by unbalancing car under certain conditions. There's a load of crap been posted about performance temperatures (ok at one temp but not at +1 deg C etc) - thats also rubbish. If you run winters at higher ambient temperatures you will lose a bit of grip compared to summers, but the main issue will be one of rapid wear, as someone stated aove.
I know I said I wouldn't post on this topic again, but sorry couldn't resist it ;)
So not "that" stupid then. ::)
Stupid to mix them - would you mix suspension parts? Probably not I guess as thats also stupid
I might if I didn't know any better. ::) which wouldn't make me stupid.
It's a bit like "who want to be a million air" you either know the answers, or you don't. Well, passed the first round anyway. ;D
Lets face it, the weather and temp cought her out. It wasn't winter tyre weather that day, and it wasn't summer tyre weather the day before perhaps. Your right though, it wouldn't have happened if she had summer tyres on the back. ...that particular day.
I don't know exactly what happened beyond the details given , as I wasn't there. But to say with such certainty what did happen and that the owner is stupid because she's female and has no throttle control on one hand, then say it completely unbalances the car to fit odd tyres per axle, because it will only loose "a bit" of grip. Doesn't really add up, does it! ::)
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Well "Winter tyres dangerous" I find difficult to accept from my experience which is:-
Had them on Migsy since I put her on the road to replace Miggy (beginning of Dec)
Since then Migsy's done 3000mls which includes 7 journeys to the East coast (round trip of appox 140 mls
Return trip I do as rule very late evening on fairly traffic free roads under I think the term is spirited driving conditions
During this time the roads have been I would say varied from wintry to dry
I can omly say that during this time I've found them to be excellent at road holding in all conditions so long as common sense is used
This has inspired a great deal of confidence in me
I find it difficult to come to terms that winter tyres are unsafe
Possibly some are
I think like all tyres it may depend on which tyres they are
Migsy at present has 15" VX Steel wheels with 195 65 R15 Michelin Alpin tyres on
These will be comeing off in a few weeks time
Can't wait as their not pleasing to the eye
But I think their possibly safer on winter/icey roads
And the steelies are much more able to resist potholes
And cheaper to replace if damaged
Migsy will then have Miggy's 18" Sportstars on
Yippee can't wait :y :y
Winter tyres per se are not dangerous so agree with you - and glad you are pleased with yours - but I bet you fitted 4 of them ;) Remember those countries that legislate their use state all 4 tyres, irrespective of climatic conditions over a fixed time period!
Its mixing 2 summers and 2 winters which is stupid and potentially dangerous by unbalancing car under certain conditions. There's a load of crap been posted about performance temperatures (ok at one temp but not at +1 deg C etc) - thats also rubbish. If you run winters at higher ambient temperatures you will lose a bit of grip compared to summers, but the main issue will be one of rapid wear, as someone stated aove.
I know I said I wouldn't post on this topic again, but sorry couldn't resist it ;)
So not "that" stupid then. ::)
Stupid to mix them - would you mix suspension parts? Probably not I guess as thats also stupid
I might if I didn't know any better. ::) which wouldn't make me stupid.
It's a bit like "who want to be a million air" you either know the answers, or you don't. Well, passed the first round anyway. ;D
Lets face it, the weather and temp cought her out. It wasn't winter tyre weather that day, and it wasn't summer tyre weather the day before perhaps. Your right though, it wouldn't have happened if she had summer tyres on the back. ...that particular day.
I don't know exactly what happened beyond the details given , as I wasn't there. But to say with such certainty what did happen and that the owner is stupid because she's female and has no throttle control on one hand, then say it completely unbalances the car to fit odd tyres per axle, because it will only loose "a bit" of grip. Doesn't really add up, does it! ::)
Millionaire :)
Says it all really - no more to add.
You can have the last word now as always ::)
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"It's a new puta mate"
Seeing as you obviously where there, we'll have to bow to your superior opinion. Won't we.
Just my opinion, not an arrogant view. ::) ;D
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1"It's a new puta mate"
2Seeing as you obviously where there, we'll have to bow to your superior opinion. Won't we.
3Just my opinion, not an arrogant view. ::) ;D
1 - WTF? ???
2 - WTF - translate ???
3 - Pot kettle black with regards to arrogance ;)
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Oh dear! ;D
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Oh dear! ;D
See you got the last word then ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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there's now a new compromise thread, we could all politely agree that all season tyres are the answer :-X Or the invention of Satan 8).
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there's now a new compromise thread, we could all politely agree that all season tyres are the answer :-X Or the invention of Satan 8).
Agree? I think not ;D
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???
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interestingly I see this misleading thread running still which already borned dead..
this is an international forum and many people from everywhere reading these things :(
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Yep, people will keep bumping it. ;)
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To state "winter tyres dangerous" from one driver's 'almost' slip on one occasion, is not very sound thinking.
One might almost conclude that the point of the thread is more to do with trolling, and attacking other members' views, than anything to do with tyres. ::)
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To state "winter tyres dangerous" from one driver's 'almost' slip on one occasion, is not very sound thinking.
One might almost conclude that the point of the thread is more to do with trolling, and attacking other members' views, than anything to do with tyres. ::)
exactly :y
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;D oh I see, cem speaks and all must agree, no truth, no honesty. It would be silly not to post a problem relating to winter tyres. Members need to know.
The outcome would appear to be, don't mix tyres per axle, and all will be fine. Apparently.
It's not something I'll need to look into personally, unless uk climate takes a turn for the worse, but those who do might be interested.
It's happened to another member here too. :(
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To state "winter tyres dangerous" from one driver's 'almost' slip on one occasion, is not very sound thinking.
One might almost conclude that the point of the thread is more to do with trolling, and attacking other members' views, than anything to do with tyres. ::)
exactly :y
Not at all. Although Kim Jong cem wouldn't approve of a different opinion to his own obviously. ;D
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;D oh I see, cem speaks and all must agree, no truth, no honesty. It would be silly not to post a problem relating to winter tyres. Members need to know.
The outcome would appear to be, don't mix tyres per axle, and all will be fine. Apparently.
It's not something I'll need to look into personally, unless uk climate takes a turn for the worse, but those who do might be interested.
It's happened to another member here too. :(
Who also had mixed tyre sets with one of them being part worns. See a pattern emerging?
Imagine Elite rear suspension with MV6 front suspension on the same car. And they slip off the road. Naturally blame the Elite suspension for being terrible?
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just alittle something to add to the pot,my employer and his wife have bmw,s an as they are well balenced are crap in snow and ice the last two years i had winter tyres fitted to both some bargain appolo,s on one and some expensive michilins on the other and they are superb the appolo,s have worn slightly more than michlins. a local taxi man i know fitted winter tyres to the front of his volvo to save money i did warn him he didnt listen as he had been driving since adam was young enyway he spun it out.lesson learnt.
i leave the steinmetz at home and use my jeep when it snows lol