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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: OmegaAnglesey on 05 February 2013, 22:47:54
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Hi all.
Sorry if this has already been discussed but I thought it best to open a fresh thread.
Would I be gaining enough from a 2002 2.2i GLS Auto Saloon to move to a 2000 2.5 V6 ELITE Auto Saloon ?
I must admit I like the sound the 2.5/3.0 make over the 2.6/3.2 very much.
Is the 2.5 V6 a reliable engine overall say compared to the 2.2i (obviously if maintained) ?
Is there much more oomph gain , better for overtaking, 0-60 difference etc...
Thanks in advance.
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Probably not a lot of difference on paper, but you should always have more cylinders than doors on any car! ;) ;)
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well cared for 2.5 is good-3.0 have head gasket problems-Personally prefer 2.5 mine done 242055m so far and purrs like a kitten- :y Also 2.5 more common to get :y
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Hi all.
Sorry if this has already been discussed but I thought it best to open a fresh thread.
Would I be gaining enough from a 2002 2.2i GLS Auto Saloon to move to a 2000 2.5 V6 ELITE Auto Saloon ?
I must admit I like the sound the 2.5/3.0 make over the 2.6/3.2 very much.
Is the 2.5 V6 a reliable engine overall say compared to the 2.2i (obviously if maintained) ?
Is there much more oomph gain , better for overtaking, 0-60 difference etc...
Thanks in advance.
for better overtaking, 0-60 difference manuals are a better choice.. I drive the 2.5 auto for years and hated.. but after converting to manual I like the car ;D
ps: also a short ratio differential and 3.0 cams helps..
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... manuals are a better choice.. I drive the 2.5 auto for years and hated.. but after converting to manual I like the car ;D
I want to be in control ........ (http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSAF2gw1XH5_tmKvJc_47Vmp3ea06a2LBfAfuQ81a9eMdGyqKxCPQ)
;) ;) ;)
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Hi all.
Sorry if this has already been discussed but I thought it best to open a fresh thread.
Would I be gaining enough from a 2002 2.2i GLS Auto Saloon to move to a 2000 2.5 V6 ELITE Auto Saloon ?
I must admit I like the sound the 2.5/3.0 make over the 2.6/3.2 very much.
Is the 2.5 V6 a reliable engine overall say compared to the 2.2i (obviously if maintained) ?
Is there much more oomph gain , better for overtaking, 0-60 difference etc...
Thanks in advance.
for better overtaking, 0-60 difference manuals are a better choice.. I drive the 2.5 auto for years and hated.. but after converting to manual I like the car ;D
ps: also a short ratio differential and 3.0 cams helps..
I've had 2 manual Omega's in the past and ever since trying an Auto i felt it suited the Car better. no doubt a manual is more Fun overall.
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Hi all.
Sorry if this has already been discussed but I thought it best to open a fresh thread.
Would I be gaining enough from a 2002 2.2i GLS Auto Saloon to move to a 2000 2.5 V6 ELITE Auto Saloon ?
I must admit I like the sound the 2.5/3.0 make over the 2.6/3.2 very much.
Is the 2.5 V6 a reliable engine overall say compared to the 2.2i (obviously if maintained) ?
Is there much more oomph gain , better for overtaking, 0-60 difference etc...
Thanks in advance.
for better overtaking, 0-60 difference manuals are a better choice.. I drive the 2.5 auto for years and hated.. but after converting to manual I like the car ;D
I got manual saloon -heavy clutch made my thigh ache(motorbike prang) so easier for me+auto quicker from standstill-+ look at cost of dmf clutch kit :'( :'(
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I've had 2 manual Omega's in the past and ever since trying an Auto i felt it suited the Car better. no doubt a manual is more Fun overall.
A V6 auto will drive nicer than a 4 pot auto ...... more grunt :y
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No luxury saloon should have more pedals than feet ... seeemples :)
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I've had 2 manual Omega's in the past and ever since trying an Auto i felt it suited the Car better. no doubt a manual is more Fun overall.
A V6 auto will drive nicer than a 4 pot auto ...... more grunt :y
+1 :y
No luxury saloon should have more pedals than feet ... seeemples :)
+1 :y
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Would I be gaining enough from a 2002 2.2i GLS Auto Saloon to move to a 2000 2.5 V6 ELITE Auto Saloon ?
I must admit I like the sound the 2.5/3.0 make over the 2.6/3.2 very much.
Coming from a GLS to an Elite will provide big improvements without even considering the engine.
I've had and driven a 3.0, 2.5 and 2.6's and they all make the same basic v6 noise, only difference comes from the back box tone.
I'd guess any four cylinder engine would need to be worked very hard to move the weight of an Omega.
Reliability of the engines is not really an issue with a 10 year old Vx. motor more to do with how it's been treated, even a 1.6 should do 150,000 if serviced (and thrashed) regularly!
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... manuals are a better choice.. I drive the 2.5 auto for years and hated.. but after converting to manual I like the car ;D
I want to be in control ........ (http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSAF2gw1XH5_tmKvJc_47Vmp3ea06a2LBfAfuQ81a9eMdGyqKxCPQ)
;) ;) ;)
more than a second 0-60 difference is not something to throw up.. ;)
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One thing I'd like to clear up does anyone think the 2.5/3.0 sound much better than the 2.6/3.2 or is this just my imagination playing tricks ?
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I'd say there's a significant performance difference between 2.5 and 2.2, especially if the 2.2 is auto, which really takes the edge off the 4 pot. There is another significant difference going up to a 3.0 from the 2.5. If you're going auto, then the bigger engine will always be better.
All the V6s are pretty much of a muchness in terms of reliability, etc. IMHO As said, there was a phase around 1998/9 where 3.0s tend to spring coolant leaks from the rear of the head gasket, and around 2001 there was a batch of dodgy valve stem oil seals on the 2.6. These are minor issues that have affected relatively few cars, in my opinion. Get one that has been looked after and you should have few issues up to 200K and beyond. There are differences in the ancillaries between 2.5/3.0 and 2.6/3.2 but overall, some changes for the better, some for the worse - probably not a lot in it.
As engines go, the V6s are pretty solid, by my reckoning. They get a bad reputation for access to some parts being awkward but once you know your way round one they are fine.
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Personally prefer 2.5 mine done 242055m so far and purrs like a kitten
My 3.0 preferred to roar. :y
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2.5 has single outlet tailpipe so not as throaty as 3.0 twin outlet tailpipe but you can swap tailpipes ;)
Had Kevins 3.2 here Saturday-sounded like mine TBH :y
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Hi all.
Sorry if this has already been discussed but I thought it best to open a fresh thread.
Would I be gaining enough from a 2002 2.2i GLS Auto Saloon to move to a 2000 2.5 V6 ELITE Auto Saloon ?
I must admit I like the sound the 2.5/3.0 make over the 2.6/3.2 very much.
Is the 2.5 V6 a reliable engine overall say compared to the 2.2i (obviously if maintained) ?
Is there much more oomph gain , better for overtaking, 0-60 difference etc...
Thanks in advance.
for better overtaking, 0-60 difference manuals are a better choice.. I drive the 2.5 auto for years and hated.. but after converting to manual I like the car ;D
I got manual saloon -heavy clutch made my thigh ache(motorbike prang) so easier for me+auto quicker from standstill-+ look at cost of dmf clutch kit :'( :'(
Yeah, the manual setup on the Omega is not the best, sadly. Clutch pedal feels like it has your knee up around your ear before it starts biting. ;D The throw on the gearstick is a bit long for my liking too.
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One thing I'd like to clear up does anyone think the 2.5/3.0 sound much better than the 2.6/3.2 or is this just my imagination playing tricks ?
Maybe psychological because some may think four cats restricts the sound compared to two on the earlier cars?
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Personally prefer 2.5 mine done 242055m so far and purrs like a kitten
My 3.0 preferred to roar. :y
not at idle or you got problems :y
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Hi all.
Sorry if this has already been discussed but I thought it best to open a fresh thread.
Would I be gaining enough from a 2002 2.2i GLS Auto Saloon to move to a 2000 2.5 V6 ELITE Auto Saloon ?
I must admit I like the sound the 2.5/3.0 make over the 2.6/3.2 very much.
Is the 2.5 V6 a reliable engine overall say compared to the 2.2i (obviously if maintained) ?
Is there much more oomph gain , better for overtaking, 0-60 difference etc...
Thanks in advance.
for better overtaking, 0-60 difference manuals are a better choice.. I drive the 2.5 auto for years and hated.. but after converting to manual I like the car ;D
I got manual saloon -heavy clutch made my thigh ache(motorbike prang) so easier for me+auto quicker from standstill-+ look at cost of dmf clutch kit :'( :'(
auto has no chance against manual and you dont have to use dmf..
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Hi all.
Sorry if this has already been discussed but I thought it best to open a fresh thread.
Would I be gaining enough from a 2002 2.2i GLS Auto Saloon to move to a 2000 2.5 V6 ELITE Auto Saloon ?
I must admit I like the sound the 2.5/3.0 make over the 2.6/3.2 very much.
Is the 2.5 V6 a reliable engine overall say compared to the 2.2i (obviously if maintained) ?
Is there much more oomph gain , better for overtaking, 0-60 difference etc...
Thanks in advance.
for better overtaking, 0-60 difference manuals are a better choice.. I drive the 2.5 auto for years and hated.. but after converting to manual I like the car ;D
I got manual saloon -heavy clutch made my thigh ache(motorbike prang) so easier for me+auto quicker from standstill-+ look at cost of dmf clutch kit :'( :'(
Yeah, the manual setup on the Omega is not the best, sadly. Clutch pedal feels like it has your knee up around your ear before it starts biting. ;D The throw on the gearstick is a bit long for my liking too.
yep..pedal travel is long.. I felt it much more when I change cars.. but you get used to it..
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yep..pedal travel is long.. I felt it much more when I change cars.. but you get used to it..
I do wonder if it could be improved. I guess clutch needs a different diameter master cylinder or moving the pivot point (or just a shorter pedal perhaps?).
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Hi all.
Sorry if this has already been discussed but I thought it best to open a fresh thread.
Would I be gaining enough from a 2002 2.2i GLS Auto Saloon to move to a 2000 2.5 V6 ELITE Auto Saloon ?
I must admit I like the sound the 2.5/3.0 make over the 2.6/3.2 very much.
Is the 2.5 V6 a reliable engine overall say compared to the 2.2i (obviously if maintained) ?
Is there much more oomph gain , better for overtaking, 0-60 difference etc...
Thanks in advance.
for better overtaking, 0-60 difference manuals are a better choice.. I drive the 2.5 auto for years and hated.. but after converting to manual I like the car ;D
I got manual saloon -heavy clutch made my thigh ache(motorbike prang) so easier for me+auto quicker from standstill-+ look at cost of dmf clutch kit :'( :'(
auto has no chance against manual and you dont have to use dmf..
standard ;) and i got auto + manual-Auto definitely quicker of the mark :y got 3.0 manual/2.5 auto
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Hi all.
Sorry if this has already been discussed but I thought it best to open a fresh thread.
Would I be gaining enough from a 2002 2.2i GLS Auto Saloon to move to a 2000 2.5 V6 ELITE Auto Saloon ?
I must admit I like the sound the 2.5/3.0 make over the 2.6/3.2 very much.
Is the 2.5 V6 a reliable engine overall say compared to the 2.2i (obviously if maintained) ?
Is there much more oomph gain , better for overtaking, 0-60 difference etc...
Thanks in advance.
for better overtaking, 0-60 difference manuals are a better choice.. I drive the 2.5 auto for years and hated.. but after converting to manual I like the car ;D
I got manual saloon -heavy clutch made my thigh ache(motorbike prang) so easier for me+auto quicker from standstill-+ look at cost of dmf clutch kit :'( :'(
auto has no chance against manual and you dont have to use dmf..
standard ;) and i got auto + manual-Auto definitely quicker of the mark :y got 3.0 manual/2.5 auto
an auto using half clutch while.. forget it..
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I do wonder if it could be improved. I guess clutch needs a different diameter master cylinder or moving the pivot point (or just a shorter pedal perhaps?).
Yes! Just bin the left hand pedal. :y :y
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auto has no chance against manual and .....
but we are talking about a 1750kg saloon, not a 'pocket rocket' ....... who cares? ::) ::) ;) :y
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The 2.5 manual i had was nice , 3.0 auto just suits the omega much better imo and not made of chocolate ;)
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yep..pedal travel is long.. I felt it much more when I change cars.. but you get used to it..
I do wonder if it could be improved. I guess clutch needs a different diameter master cylinder or moving the pivot point (or just a shorter pedal perhaps?).
never tought about it.. probably.. :-\
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auto has no chance against manual and .....
but we are talking about a 1750kg saloon, not a 'pocket rocket' ....... who cares? ::) ::) ;) :y
Andy , I have used both on the same car..may be something personal but I never choose slowest option ;D
ps: nowadays there are some serious projects on clit :-X
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Andy , I have used both on the same car..may be something personal but I never choose slowest option ;D
The auto/manual 'debate' is a personal thing, but many people don't give an auto a chance & judge it by a quick drive of a friend's car ...... get themselves confused when they try pressing pedals that they don't have & then vow they'll never drive another auto car again. IMHO the manual Omega is horrible to drive (based on a short drive of a 2.5TD) and is more suited to 2 pedals. :y :y
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Don't think i mentioned the Manual gearbox in my original post. :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D
for better overtaking, 0-60 difference manuals are a better choice.. I drive the 2.5 auto for years and hated.. but after converting to manualThe 2.5 manualHi all.
Sorry if this has already been discussed but I thought it best to open a fresh thread.
Would I be gaining enough from a 2002 2.2i GLS Auto Saloon to move to a 2000 2.5 V6 ELITE Auto Saloon ?
I must admit I like the sound the 2.5/3.0 make over the 2.6/3.2 very much.
Is the 2.5 V6 a reliable engine overall say compared to the 2.2i (obviously if maintained) ?
Is there much more oomph gain , better for overtaking, 0-60 difference etc...
Thanks in advance.
for better overtaking, 0-60 difference manuals are a better choice.. I drive the 2.5 auto for years and hated.. but after converting to manual I like the car ;D
I got manual saloon -heavy clutch made my thigh ache(motorbike prang) so easier for me+auto quicker from standstill-+ look at cost of dmf clutch kit :'( :'(
Yeah, the manual setup on the Omega is not the best, sadly. Clutch pedal feels like it has your knee up around your ear before it starts biting. ;D The throw on the gearstick is a bit long for my liking too.
i had was nice , 3.0 auto just suits the omega much better imo and not made of chocolate ;)
Only joking, better be off to bed. Night all. :)
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Andy , I have used both on the same car..may be something personal but I never choose slowest option ;D
The auto/manual 'debate' is a personal thing, but many people don't give an auto a chance & judge it by a quick drive of a friend's car ...... get themselves confused when they try pressing pedals that they don't have & then vow they'll never drive another auto car again. IMHO the manual Omega is horrible to drive (based on a short drive of a 2.5TD) and is more suited to 2 pedals. :y :y
never driven a td.. so cant comment.. but after driving many autos including friends bimmers I promised myself.. no more autos.. :-\
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.... I promised myself.. no more autos.. :-\
If I ever buy another manual car, it'll either be very special or very cheap :y :y :y
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2.5 on the German race track by the sounds of the auto box it was sounding confused at times like it thought it was a manual ;D ;D
http://youtu.be/nVGYL_FZt1c
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I had a 2.5 manual with 3.0l cams. The long travel clutch and gearbox didnt bother me and that was coming from a car with short throw box. It doesnt take long to get used to it.But I'm with Andy B. I'm no hotshot driver, don't have a need to heel/toe and don't care about being in control or the 1s in takes to reach 60mph.
OmegaMan, get a 3.2. You'll get used to the power of the 2.5 very quickly and regret not buying a bigger engine where the power will be MORE noticable and take longer to get used to
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The 2.5 and 3.0 certainly appear to have some advantages with respect to fuel consumption and idle smoothness.
The manual will return better mpg to if your doing long runs every day. (note I have owned both manual and auto)
Also, the 2.5 is a little easier to work on due to the shorter plenum (not much in it), for me it was always the best of the V6's as an all rounder.
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I'd say there's a significant performance difference between 2.5 and 2.2, especially if the 2.2 is auto, which really takes the edge off the 4 pot. There is another significant difference going up to a 3.0 from the 2.5. If you're going auto, then the bigger engine will always be better.
All the V6s are pretty much of a muchness in terms of reliability, etc. IMHO As said, there was a phase around 1998/9 where 3.0s tend to spring coolant leaks from the rear of the head gasket, and around 2001 there was a batch of dodgy valve stem oil seals on the 2.6. These are minor issues that have affected relatively few cars, in my opinion. Get one that has been looked after and you should have few issues up to 200K and beyond. There are differences in the ancillaries between 2.5/3.0 and 2.6/3.2 but overall, some changes for the better, some for the worse - probably not a lot in it.
As engines go, the V6s are pretty solid, by my reckoning. They get a bad reputation for access to some parts being awkward but once you know your way round one they are fine.
Nice info. :y You're too about this huh... :D
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Having owned both 2.2 auto and 2.5 auto - i prefer the 2.5. Economy wise there is absolutely nothing in it and you get better acceleration (not flyboy style but purely to join dual carriageways / motorways / etc..)
The engine bay is more tricky to work on but you soon learn the basics.
I would go for a 2.5 over a 2.2
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I had a 2.5 manual with 3.0l cams. The long travel clutch and gearbox didnt bother me and that was coming from a car with short throw box. It doesnt take long to get used to it.But I'm with Andy B. I'm no hotshot driver, don't have a need to heel/toe and don't care about being in control or the 1s in takes to reach 60mph.
OmegaMan, get a 3.2. You'll get used to the power of the 2.5 very quickly and regret not buying a bigger engine where the power will be MORE noticeable and take longer to get used to
If i could i would in a heartbeat, But in the 4 or so years i've been looking (on and off like not 24/7 :D ) The ones i've come across have been severely abused hammered or just plain falling apart or just too expensive. And I'm just getting tired looking for one as its kinda depressing going say 360 miles then seen the car in such bad shape when the seller says mint. As said in another thread I have been considering a Volvo S60 T5 as a replacement altogether if nothing turns up soon. :-\
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I've just spotted this 2.6 Elite, 2 question.. 1. To me the rear looks a little high and 2. Why hasn't it got a boot spoiler ?
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/omegaelite_zpsb702ce44.png)
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I have a 3.2 auto elite and 2.2 manual, by far I prefer the 2.2.
I don't like the V6 DBW idle, it's very rough. My 2.2 has a smoother idle, less engine noise around town, less of a drone. Cloth seats at winter are far nicer, yes leather has heaters but still not the same.
Yes 3.2 has more power, goes much better. Think it's because I've had my 2.2 for close to 8 years now, I'm quite attached to it.
I've always wanted 3.2 Elite to have Bose, HIDs and such, I've just yet to bond with it.
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prefer a v6 against a 4 pot any day what you lose on econemy you gain on the smoothness and torque of the motor
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i like my 2.5. not very fast but it's nice and smooth