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Title: BT Affinity
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 19 February 2013, 16:36:36
I have just been upgraded to BT Affinity and the speed of my PC, and BT Vision when on I-Players, is amazing.

I now click and the link is there.  I enter a post and it goes straight on.  No delay, no buffering, and with free anytime calls I have saved on my overall BT bill! :y :y :y :y :y :y

Has anyone else on here got such a result by going BT Affinity? ???

Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: tunnie on 19 February 2013, 16:39:29
You mean infinity  ;D

It's fast, but I'm used to Cable Internet speeds anyway.
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: geoffr70 on 19 February 2013, 16:41:04
It's great for publicly calling someone a criminal too, that's really fast.
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: STMO123 on 19 February 2013, 16:42:17
It's great for iplayer too, that way you don't need a tv licence. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 19 February 2013, 16:46:38
It's great for iplayer too, that way you don't need a tv licence. ;D ;D ;D

You stirrer Steve! ::) ::) ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: Gaffers on 19 February 2013, 17:18:55
It has so far taken BT (Openreach) 17 months to run a power cable about 400m in order to get my distribution box switching to fibre.  To say I am pissed off about the subject is an understatement.  Despite direct comms with the engineer I have yet to receive a decent explanation as to why. 

To plagiarize an admin's turn of phrase; the Openreach team in NE Hants are nothing but a bunch of useless inbred, docile, incompetent breaktards   >:(
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: TheBoy on 19 February 2013, 17:26:42
To plagiarize an admin's turn of phrase; the Openreach team in NE Hants are nothing but a bunch of useless inbred, docile, incompetent breaktards   >:(
Would it surprise you to know the OR are taking on ex-services people faster than the government can get rid of them....   ....and the local mgrs are unimpressed with them, though its probably a difficult transistion.


LZ - OOF runs from a FTTC line (what BT Retail call Infinity) provided by Zen Internet, and I have a BT Business Infinity line here as well. Cloud based computing now works like its supposed to, and is completely different to ADSL based services from that perspective.
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 19 February 2013, 17:29:34
To plagiarize an admin's turn of phrase; the Openreach team in NE Hants are nothing but a bunch of useless inbred, docile, incompetent breaktards   >:(
Would it surprise you to know the OR are taking on ex-services people faster than the government can get rid of them....   ....and the local mgrs are unimpressed with them, though its probably a difficult transistion.


LZ - OOF runs from a FTTC line (what BT Retail call Infinity) provided by Zen Internet, and I have a BT Business Infinity line here as well. Cloud based computing now works like its supposed to, and is completely different to ADSL based services from that perspective.

Thanks for that info TB :y :y
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: Gaffers on 19 February 2013, 17:30:18
To plagiarize an admin's turn of phrase; the Openreach team in NE Hants are nothing but a bunch of useless inbred, docile, incompetent breaktards   >:(
Would it surprise you to know the OR are taking on ex-services people faster than the government can get rid of them....   ....and the local mgrs are unimpressed with them, though its probably a difficult transistion.

Actually I knew that already, but what did OR expect when employing a bunch of ex-scalybacks who are experienced in used technology from the 70's/80's?

This is not directed at you personally so please dont take it to heart but I honestly cannot understand the delay.  6 months I could have put up with but 17 is taking the proverbial.
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: TheBoy on 19 February 2013, 17:41:26
To plagiarize an admin's turn of phrase; the Openreach team in NE Hants are nothing but a bunch of useless inbred, docile, incompetent breaktards   >:(
Would it surprise you to know the OR are taking on ex-services people faster than the government can get rid of them....   ....and the local mgrs are unimpressed with them, though its probably a difficult transistion.

Actually I knew that already, but what did OR expect when employing a bunch of ex-scalybacks who are experienced in used technology from the 70's/80's?

This is not directed at you personally so please dont take it to heart but I honestly cannot understand the delay.  6 months I could have put up with but 17 is taking the proverbial.
I ain't OR (or BT for that matter), so no worry about taking it to heart. However, I do have close ties in, so know whats going on. In addition to my professional links, I've just spent 5 days in Iceland with an OR manager  :-X

Ex-services may be useless struggling with the transision out of the forces, but are cheap, and obedient, and cheap. Oh, and cheap ;)


Although a delay like that is more likely to things outside OR's control, based on my experiences.
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: aaronjb on 19 February 2013, 17:54:45
To plagiarize an admin's turn of phrase; the Openreach team in NE Hants are nothing but a bunch of useless inbred, docile, incompetent breaktards   >:(
Would it surprise you to know the OR are taking on ex-services people faster than the government can get rid of them....   ....and the local mgrs are unimpressed with them, though its probably a difficult transistion.

Actually I knew that already, but what did OR expect when employing a bunch of ex-scalybacks who are experienced in used technology from the 70's/80's?

This is not directed at you personally so please dont take it to heart but I honestly cannot understand the delay.  6 months I could have put up with but 17 is taking the proverbial.

A friend of mine just moved into a swanky new development in greater London which is cabled for FTTP (and listed on BT's own site as an FTTP development) .. slight problem that nobody can tell him (or the developers) when BT plan on hooking that fibre up to anything. Oh, and there's no copper on the development either so he's not entirely sure he can have any kind of phone line ;D

So.. look on the bright side ;) ;D
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: Marks DTM Calib on 19 February 2013, 17:55:07
Are they still sticking to the power/comms separation rules in the duct runs.

I can see exactly why it's taken so long because if there is anything out of the norm then it's a mare (blame the legal lot!)
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: VXL V6 on 19 February 2013, 18:08:29
To plagiarize an admin's turn of phrase; the Openreach team in NE Hants are nothing but a bunch of useless inbred, docile, incompetent breaktards   >:(
Would it surprise you to know the OR are taking on ex-services people faster than the government can get rid of them....   ....and the local mgrs are unimpressed with them, though its probably a difficult transistion.

Actually I knew that already, but what did OR expect when employing a bunch of ex-scalybacks who are experienced in used technology from the 70's/80's?

This is not directed at you personally so please dont take it to heart but I honestly cannot understand the delay.  6 months I could have put up with but 17 is taking the proverbial.

A friend of mine just moved into a swanky new development in greater London which is cabled for FTTP (and listed on BT's own site as an FTTP development) .. slight problem that nobody can tell him (or the developers) when BT plan on hooking that fibre up to anything. Oh, and there's no copper on the development either so he's not entirely sure he can have any kind of phone line ;D

So.. look on the bright side ;) ;D

Hmmm, with our developments we always install Cat6 to all areas and get BT to adopt the wiring so they only have to punch down a link to the DP when a subscriber requests a line. Of course the problem we keep facing is that various BT regions will only pull the most minimal (20 Pair usually) cable to the DP, despite the properties having between 30 - 150 rooms.

Oh and we take around 8 pairs for EFM, DSL's, lift lines etc  ;D
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 19 February 2013, 18:23:54
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D my thread is getting very technical! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)

It has suddenly gone from English to some strange electronic langauge ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: tunnie on 19 February 2013, 18:25:01
... and you have still to get its retail product name right  ;D
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: TheBoy on 19 February 2013, 18:25:06
Keep up at the back, LZ
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: TheBoy on 19 February 2013, 18:26:29
... and you have still to get its retail product name right  ;D
Indeed, LZ, its "BT Infinity", ie, supposed to show its without limits.
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 19 February 2013, 18:27:52
... and you have still to get its retail product name right  ;D

Oh dear Tunnie; I am thinking of my Housing Association!! :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: tunnie on 19 February 2013, 18:28:17
... and you have still to get its retail product name right  ;D
Indeed, LZ, its "BT Infinity", ie, supposed to show its without limits.

I did mention it in first response  ::)

Problem with that though, is what about next gen? Errr Infinity +? Or Infinity 2?  ;D
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: VXL V6 on 19 February 2013, 18:29:43
... and you have still to get its retail product name right  ;D
Indeed, LZ, its "BT Infinity", ie, supposed to show its without limits.

I did mention it in first response  ::)

Problem with that though, is what about next gen? Errr Infinity +? Or Infinity 2?  ;D

22CN  ::)
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: TheBoy on 19 February 2013, 18:29:57
... and you have still to get its retail product name right  ;D
Indeed, LZ, its "BT Infinity", ie, supposed to show its without limits.

I did mention it in first response  ::)

Problem with that though, is what about next gen? Errr Infinity +? Or Infinity 2?  ;D
The current 76/19Mbps service is often nicknamed Infinity 2 ;D
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: TheBoy on 19 February 2013, 18:30:38
... and you have still to get its retail product name right  ;D
Indeed, LZ, its "BT Infinity", ie, supposed to show its without limits.

I did mention it in first response  ::)

Problem with that though, is what about next gen? Errr Infinity +? Or Infinity 2?  ;D

22CN  ::)
Yeah, because I doubt they'll get 21CN working in the 21st century ;D
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 19 February 2013, 18:35:07
One thing that I do understand, or perhaps I don't, is that I expected the Open Reach engineer to replace the copper wire inside my home with fibre optic.  But he said they do not; the fibre optic cable goes as far as the box on the corner of our street, then is copper from there.

He said I would get top speed as though the exchange was alongside my home.

As I say I am pleased with the results, but rather surprised the FO cable is used to replace all the copper.

Any comments? ;)
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: VXL V6 on 19 February 2013, 18:40:55
One thing that I do understand, or perhaps I don't, is that I expected the Open Reach engineer to replace the copper wire inside my home with fibre optic.  But he said they do not; the fibre optic cable goes as far as the box on the corner of our street, then is copper from there.

He said I would get top speed as though the exchange was alongside my home.

As I say I am pleased with the results, but rather surprised the FO cable is used to replace all the copper.

Any comments? ;)

Yep, the technology is FTTC or 'Fibre to the Cabinet'
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: STMO123 on 19 February 2013, 18:50:58
Ok. Another one. Why do you need 250v to the cab?
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: TheBoy on 19 February 2013, 18:55:24
One thing that I do understand, or perhaps I don't, is that I expected the Open Reach engineer to replace the copper wire inside my home with fibre optic.  But he said they do not; the fibre optic cable goes as far as the box on the corner of our street, then is copper from there.

He said I would get top speed as though the exchange was alongside my home.

As I say I am pleased with the results, but rather surprised the FO cable is used to replace all the copper.

Any comments? ;)
Yup, you have FTTC - Fibre to the Cabinet (green box on corner), then using copper from there to your house. FTTP - Fibre to the Premises - is fibre all the way to house.

With FTTC, it matters not where the serving exchange is (mine isn't my local exchange in Brackley, but Banbury exchange 12 miles away), but the length of cable between the cabinet and your house (and the quality/condition of that cable).
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: TheBoy on 19 February 2013, 18:56:22
Ok. Another one. Why do you need 250v to the cab?
FTTC is a technology where the DSLAM is not in the serving exchange, but in the local street cabinet. The DSLAM requires power.
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: Lizzie_Zoom on 19 February 2013, 18:57:00
One thing that I do understand, or perhaps I don't, is that I expected the Open Reach engineer to replace the copper wire inside my home with fibre optic.  But he said they do not; the fibre optic cable goes as far as the box on the corner of our street, then is copper from there.

He said I would get top speed as though the exchange was alongside my home.

As I say I am pleased with the results, but rather surprised the FO cable is used to replace all the copper.

Any comments? ;)
Yup, you have FTTC - Fibre to the Cabinet (green box on corner), then using copper from there to your house. FTTP - Fibre to the Premises - is fibre all the way to house.

With FTTC, it matters not where the serving exchange is (mine isn't my local exchange in Brackley, but Banbury exchange 12 miles away), but the length of cable between the cabinet and your house (and the quality/condition of that cable).

Interesting!! :o :o ;)
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: TheBoy on 19 February 2013, 19:00:53
but the length of cable between the cabinet and your house (and the quality/condition of that cable).
Also on the take-up of neighbours - the crosstalk interference increases with the number of VDSL circuits within a cable, which reduces SNR, which causes more downsyncs, which the BRASs get to know about, which lowers your IP profile...
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: STMO123 on 19 February 2013, 19:03:03
Ok. Another one. Why do you need 250v to the cab?
FTTC is a technology where the DSLAM is not in the serving exchange, but in the local street cabinet. The DSLAM requires power.
So the multiplexer is in the cab? Hmmmmmm.... :-\
Are they hard to break into? ;D
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: Elite Pete on 19 February 2013, 19:08:36
The Pikeys won't be happy with all this OF being used instead of copper cabling  ::)
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: Gaffers on 19 February 2013, 19:09:20
Sometimes I just want to run an extension cable to our cabinet with a note to the engineers 'Power issue solved, now connect me MoFos!'  ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: STMO123 on 19 February 2013, 19:10:07
The Pikeys won't be happy with all this OF being used instead of copper cabling  ::)
It's FO, Pete. It's ok, we won't be offended. ;D
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: Gaffers on 19 February 2013, 19:11:59
The Pikeys won't be happy with all this OF being used instead of copper cabling  ::)
It's FO, Pete. It's ok, we won't be offended. ;D

It's ok, he's had one too many appletinis..........that's one appletini but the way ::)
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: STMO123 on 19 February 2013, 19:14:20
The Pikeys won't be happy with all this OF being used instead of copper cabling  ::)
It's FO, Pete. It's ok, we won't be offended. ;D

It's ok, he's had one too many appletinis..........that's one appletini but the way ::)
His wife will be home by now. Nice cuppa tea I reckon.
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: TheBoy on 19 February 2013, 19:15:31
Ok. Another one. Why do you need 250v to the cab?
FTTC is a technology where the DSLAM is not in the serving exchange, but in the local street cabinet. The DSLAM requires power.
So the multiplexer is in the cab? Hmmmmmm.... :-\
Are they hard to break into? ;D
Yup and No, in that order.
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: Elite Pete on 19 February 2013, 19:15:48
The Pikeys won't be happy with all this OF being used instead of copper cabling  ::)
It's FO, Pete. It's ok, we won't be offended. ;D

It's ok, he's had one too many appletinis..........that's one appletini but the way ::)
His wife will be home by now. Nice cuppa tea I reckon.

Ouck Fff :P
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: STMO123 on 19 February 2013, 19:17:03
The Pikeys won't be happy with all this OF being used instead of copper cabling  ::)
It's FO, Pete. It's ok, we won't be offended. ;D

It's ok, he's had one too many appletinis..........that's one appletini but the way ::)
His wife will be home by now. Nice cuppa tea I reckon.

Ouck Fff :P
;D ;D :y
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: Elite Pete on 19 February 2013, 19:19:01
The Pikeys won't be happy with all this OF being used instead of copper cabling  ::)
It's FO, Pete. It's ok, we won't be offended. ;D

It's ok, he's had one too many appletinis..........that's one appletini but the way ::)
His wife will be home by now. Nice cuppa tea I reckon.

Ouck Fff :P
;D ;D :y

I really should leave myself alone ::)
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: ozzycat on 19 February 2013, 20:32:46
a quick question wich is the best company for fibre we arnt geting it till next year but it would be nice to know :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: BT Affinity
Post by: Vamps on 19 February 2013, 21:30:53
I have just been upgraded to BT Affinity and the speed of my PC, and BT Vision when on I-Players, is amazing.

I now click and the link is there.  I enter a post and it goes straight on.  No delay, no buffering, and with free anytime calls I have saved on my overall BT bill! :y :y :y :y :y :y

Has anyone else on here got such a result by going BT Affinity? ???

We got it a few months ago, the old BT Internet was terrible, we live in a small village and I could not previously even get BT Vision, not that I have it not, but it shows how poor ours was, noticed a huge difference and apparently the X-box thingy is much much better..... :y :y