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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Kate on 28 February 2013, 19:21:04
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Hi all.
I've just looked at my last two gas statements and got a real shock. Since the 4th December I've used nearly £250 worth of gas.
Do you think I have a problem with my boiler?
The meter readings are: 4th December 6881, 21st Jan 6975, 21st Feb 7093, today 7125.
I have an imperial meter. The boiler is a Worcester Bosch 25Si and I have 2kw gas fire and a gas cooker.
I'm really worried about this as I can't afford to pay this amount.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. :y
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It depends how long you have it on for and at what temperature you have the thermostat
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Mine £180 and it's only used for heating everything else is electric and its only on from 6pm until 10pm Monday to Sunday and sometimes in the day on a Sunday when we're at home
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Mine £180 and it's only used for heating everything else is electric and its only on from 6pm until 10pm Monday to Sunday and sometimes in the day on a Sunday when we're at home
Thanks Pete. Is that for 10 weeks?
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For the same period mines about £200. Two bed semi, gas ch and hot water.
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Mine £180 and it's only used for heating everything else is electric and its only on from 6pm until 10pm Monday to Sunday and sometimes in the day on a Sunday when we're at home
Thanks Pete. Is that for 10 weeks?
Yep. Forgot to add that it does the hot water as well ;)
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For the same period mines about £200. Two bed semi, gas ch and hot water.
Thanks. Mine doesn't seem too bad then.
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Does anyone know how much a 24kw boiler uses an hour if it's on full?
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For the same period mines about £200. Two bed semi, gas ch and hot water.
Thanks. Mine doesn't seem too bad then.
It's going to get worse, Kate. I can't see any way, given the parlous state of our generating capacity, that we can survive without importing most of our fuel.
The weather will get warmer soon but, take my advice, get some money put away for next winter.
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Try and pay it monthly, that way they work the bill out over the year, you still pay the same but it's the same each month rather that an expensive winter and cheap summer ;)
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I do pay monthly. I was worried that they would put the payments up as I'm only paying £114 a month for both.
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http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3466925
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mine was £ 200 for 10 weeks...daylight robbery :y
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I'm trying to minimise using the central heating at the moment.
Does anyone know whether calor gas heaters are cheap to run?
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I'm trying to minimise using the central heating at the moment.
Does anyone know whether calor gas heaters are cheap to run?
No Kate, they will cost a lot more to heat the flat...... ;)
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I'm trying to minimise using the central heating at the moment.
Does anyone know whether calor gas heaters are cheap to run?
No Kate, they will cost a lot more to heat the flat...... ;)
And they stink.
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I'm trying to minimise using the central heating at the moment.
Does anyone know whether calor gas heaters are cheap to run?
damned expensive !! especially using small bottles ... 6kg bottle - £20 ish 13kg bottle £25ish so more than twice the volume for 1/4 more .... 47Kg bottle £70 ish 1kg = 2 litres ish so tabulating:
6kg = 12 litre at £20 = £1.67 a litre
12 Kg = 24 litres at £25 = £1.05 a litre
47 kg = 94 litres at £70 = £0.74 a litre
yet at an autogas pump I currently pay £0:73.68 but that INCLUDES the additional Road Fuel Duty of £0.33 /kg or 16p a litre .. so the true cost of the LPG I use is about £0.58 a litre
Compare that to the price of a 6Kg bottle .. and then swear very loudly .. :(
Further calculations can be done on using calorific values against cost/litre .. but it is somewhat disheartening .. :(
Your gas supply is decidedly cheaper in the long term..... IMHO
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I'm trying to minimise using the central heating at the moment.
Does anyone know whether calor gas heaters are cheap to run?
damned expensive !! especially using small bottles ... 6kg bottle - £20 ish 13kg bottle £25ish so more than twice the volume for 1/4 more .... 47Kg bottle £70 ish 1kg = 2 litres ish so tabulating:
6kg = 12 litre at £20 = £1.67 a litre
12 Kg = 24 litres at £25 = £1.05 a litre
47 kg = 94 litres at £70 = £0.74 a litre
yet at an autogas pump I currently pay £0:73.68 but that INCLUDES the additional Road Fuel Duty of £0.33 /kg or 16p a litre .. so the true cost of the LPG I use is about £0.58 a litre
Compare that to the price of a 6Kg bottle .. and then swear very loudly .. :(
Further calculations can be done on using calorific values against cost/litre .. but it is somewhat disheartening .. :(
Your gas supply is decidedly cheaper in the long term..... IMHO
I hope not E, Caravan (Static) is open soon and I have 2 bottles, 1 that needs replacing, iirc we were paying £54 at the back end of last year.... ;)
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I'm trying to minimise using the central heating at the moment.
Does anyone know whether calor gas heaters are cheap to run?
No Kate, they will cost a lot more to heat the flat...... ;)
Thanks Mike.
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I'm trying to minimise using the central heating at the moment.
Does anyone know whether calor gas heaters are cheap to run?
damned expensive !! especially using small bottles ... 6kg bottle - £20 ish 13kg bottle £25ish so more than twice the volume for 1/4 more .... 47Kg bottle £70 ish 1kg = 2 litres ish so tabulating:
6kg = 12 litre at £20 = £1.67 a litre
12 Kg = 24 litres at £25 = £1.05 a litre
47 kg = 94 litres at £70 = £0.74 a litre
yet at an autogas pump I currently pay £0:73.68 but that INCLUDES the additional Road Fuel Duty of £0.33 /kg or 16p a litre .. so the true cost of the LPG I use is about £0.58 a litre
Compare that to the price of a 6Kg bottle .. and then swear very loudly .. :(
Further calculations can be done on using calorific values against cost/litre .. but it is somewhat disheartening .. :(
Your gas supply is decidedly cheaper in the long term..... IMHO
I hope not E, Caravan (Static) is open soon and I have 2 bottles, 1 that needs replacing, iirc we were paying £54 at the back end of last year.... ;)
I was quoted £69.99 including delivery for a 47Kg last week ... and supposedly that was a "special deal" as I am (was) a regular customer :(
EDIT
google found this .. :(
http://www.stowmarketcaravans.co.uk/calor_gas.html
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I'm trying to minimise using the central heating at the moment.
Does anyone know whether calor gas heaters are cheap to run?
damned expensive !! especially using small bottles ... 6kg bottle - £20 ish 13kg bottle £25ish so more than twice the volume for 1/4 more .... 47Kg bottle £70 ish 1kg = 2 litres ish so tabulating:
6kg = 12 litre at £20 = £1.67 a litre
12 Kg = 24 litres at £25 = £1.05 a litre
47 kg = 94 litres at £70 = £0.74 a litre
yet at an autogas pump I currently pay £0:73.68 but that INCLUDES the additional Road Fuel Duty of £0.33 /kg or 16p a litre .. so the true cost of the LPG I use is about £0.58 a litre
Compare that to the price of a 6Kg bottle .. and then swear very loudly .. :(
Further calculations can be done on using calorific values against cost/litre .. but it is somewhat disheartening .. :(
Your gas supply is decidedly cheaper in the long term..... IMHO
I hope not E, Caravan (Static) is open soon and I have 2 bottles, 1 that needs replacing, iirc we were paying £54 at the back end of last year.... ;)
I was quoted £69.99 including delivery for a 47Kg last week ... and supposedly that was a "special deal" as I am (was) a regular customer :(
Well, we will find out soon, if it is that dear think I will buy swmbo a blanket...... :D :D :D
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Bloody Nora!
I pay £36 a month for Gas -
7yr old property, 2 Bed, Gas Central Heating, Gas for Hot Water, Gas Hob.
I suppose the £36 is an average over the year though..... Summer is obviously much cheaper than Winter for Gas usage.
I have just last week had my annual statement, and I'm £5.36 in credit on actual values (proper meter readings submitted by me every 3 months).
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My house is really old and doesn't have double glazing.
I guess that makes it cost more to heat.
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My house is really old and doesn't have double glazing.
I guess that makes it cost more to heat.
It certainly will. If you own, it might be worth having a chat with one of the local Double Glazing installers. You can get good Government grants to have this done, along with Cavity wall insulation (if you even have cavities) and loft insulation, not to mention Grade A boilers for silly money.
Even if you rent, get on the case of the landlord and get him/her to get it sorted.
Even if it costs you a few quid, a loan to cover the cost may work out (monthly) less than the energy bills!
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My boiler went out years ago.
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Ours went tit's up in Sept/Oct :'( and I've refused to call anyone out. :-\
A couple of extra woolies has saved about £600......(Oil boiler) :y :y
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I'm trying to minimise using the central heating at the moment.
Does anyone know whether calor gas heaters are cheap to run?
damned expensive !! especially using small bottles ... 6kg bottle - £20 ish 13kg bottle £25ish so more than twice the volume for 1/4 more .... 47Kg bottle £70 ish 1kg = 2 litres ish so tabulating:
6kg = 12 litre at £20 = £1.67 a litre
12 Kg = 24 litres at £25 = £1.05 a litre
47 kg = 94 litres at £70 = £0.74 a litre
yet at an autogas pump I currently pay £0:73.68 but that INCLUDES the additional Road Fuel Duty of £0.33 /kg or 16p a litre .. so the true cost of the LPG I use is about £0.58 a litre
Compare that to the price of a 6Kg bottle .. and then swear very loudly .. :(
Further calculations can be done on using calorific values against cost/litre .. but it is somewhat disheartening .. :(
Your gas supply is decidedly cheaper in the long term..... IMHO
I hope not E, Caravan (Static) is open soon and I have 2 bottles, 1 that needs replacing, iirc we were paying £54 at the back end of last year.... ;)
I was quoted £69.99 including delivery for a 47Kg last week ... and supposedly that was a "special deal" as I am (was) a regular customer :(
EDIT
google found this .. :(
http://www.stowmarketcaravans.co.uk/calor_gas.html
In October we were quoted £58 for each 47 KG propane. We agreed on five for £250. Still far too expensive, but the best offer available. It's always worth shopping around.
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I'm lucky if I use £5 a week(card meter) but saying that I never put heating on and it's only used for hot water
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:o :o Think we are just over £200 per month for gas and electric, 3 bed 30's semi, Me, swmbo, Miss Vamps and 2 young men who can't take the hint...... ::) ::) ::) And all the equipment, baths and showers that go with it...... :-X :-X :-X
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Exchanged contracts on 9-11-2012. Asked the vendors if they would put the heating on programme to come on 2 hours in the morning and 4 in the evening. Actually moved in on 13-11-2012. Bill from E-on. £131:00... Our supplier took over middle of December, total payable to E-on. £230:00. Something tells me that the meter reading before we took residence was slightly under what it should have been ??
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Large open plan 4 bed detached house, double glazed and well insulated, gas central heating and cooking, all normal electrical items including washing machine, 6 tvs, 3 hifi systems, 6 computers etc, sto for £136/month for gas & elec, currently £190 in credit plus the government kindly gives me £200 to help with heating bills. Thats for me, my partner and our daughter (when she's not at uni), plus 9 dogs. As I'm now retired I'm home most days and we certainly don't skimp on heating. Thats from EON btw.
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who said reverse the meter :-X we pay close on £200 a month from eon for elec and gas 1930s semi and theres only me wifey and doggy mind you wifey has about 10 showers a day doggy dont wash becuase hes a minger and the washing machine is always on always, sure its empty half the time ::) ::)
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Thanks for all the comments.
I feel a lot better about it now. :y
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I pay about £250/quarter in the winter (that covered the end of October to near end of Feb) for gas (gas ch, gas water, 1970s 4 bed detached with no cavity insulation, precious little loft insulation but 2 year old double glazing) and £190 for electricity..
Much less in the summer when the place is like a greenhouse thanks to all the south facing windows!
I've been looking at cavity insulation for ages now but, sadly, everywhere has told me I 'probably' can't have it as the pointing is raked out to a depth of ~1.5cm in places - not to mention there is literally no pointing (I can poke a stick into the cavity!) on parts of the back of the house :-\ Plus there are sections of wall ("architectural features") that are rendered single brick rather than cavity.. damned 1970s architects.
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About £140 a month for Gas and Electic on a four bed detached house with cavity wall insulation (plus thermal blocks etc), good loft insulation, A rated windows/doors, insulated floors etc.
An older boiler though (as old as the hosue but still working ok and not a great deal less effecient than a modern one)
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who said reverse the meter :-X we pay close on £200 a month from eon for elec and gas 1930s semi and theres only me wifey and doggy mind you wifey has about 10 showers a day doggy dont wash becuase hes a minger and the washing machine is always on always, sure its empty half the time ::) ::)
Howdedodat ;D
£100 a month here for gas and electric but heating never on all the time , only when we get frostbite but we wear thick jumpers :(
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I pay about £250/quarter in the winter (that covered the end of October to near end of Feb) for gas (gas ch, gas water, 1970s 4 bed detached with no cavity insulation, precious little loft insulation but 2 year old double glazing) and £190 for electricity..
Much less in the summer when the place is like a greenhouse thanks to all the south facing windows!
I've been looking at cavity insulation for ages now but, sadly, everywhere has told me I 'probably' can't have it as the pointing is raked out to a depth of ~1.5cm in places - not to mention there is literally no pointing (I can poke a stick into the cavity!) on parts of the back of the house :-\ Plus there are sections of wall ("architectural features") that are rendered single brick rather than cavity.. damned 1970s architects.
:o :o :o that sounds worrying ......rendered single brick sounds odd are you sure its not 1870s
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:o :o :o that sounds worrying ......rendered single brick sounds odd are you sure its not 1870s
Very sure - it was built in 1970 when they bulldozed Bracknell Forest and threw up what is now essentially Bracknell 'new town' ;)
To be fair it might be rendered blockwork with a smaller cavity - the best example I have is below, but in another area of the house the rendered area in set back in about 3/4" from the brickwork and on the interior the plasterboard (it's dot & dab indoors) is also recessed back in about 3/4" from the rest of the wall, making that area in total about 1 1/2" thinner and considerably colder than the rest of the wall..
I haven't tried drilling through to see if there's a cavity in there yet, though ;D
But yeah, the fact that the pointing is disintegrating on the weathered side of the house (it's very sandy) is a worry.. it's just a shame that re-pointing work is so expensive :(
[edit] Forgot the picture :-[ This is where I had the odd 'slit' kitchen window taken out, made narrower and deeper and the area to the left of it re-rendered:
(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/27690_425325831203_6275339_n.jpg)
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If you think re-pointing is expensive, get some northern lads down. They will live in their van, steal the materials locally and work for a pint of bitter and a sausage roll.
Oh...but you'll have to feed their whippets too.
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aye but dont get t scoucers in, or they will spend the morning arguing over a can of special brew then fight eachother in the afternoon then pinch the sand and cement you just brought for the job, dey dont do dat do dey, the miggys safe though they like megan s :o :o calm don
pointings not that difficult just boring as hell thats why brickies charge so much for it :y
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Pointing is easy, invest in a caulking gun and mortar rake and do a bit every evening.
Soon be done and if the mortar is soft then raking it out will be easy.
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Pointing is easy, invest in a caulking gun and mortar rake and do a bit every evening.
Soon be done and if the mortar is soft then raking it out will be easy.
That's probably the way it'll go - given the cost of having a professional come in and do it.. the only thing putting me off are the horror stories elsewhere of using the wrong mortar mix etc etc.. More googling for me, I reckon!
Some of the existing stuff comes out with fingers, let alone a mortar rake :-[
'course there's the other problem of me being a fat git and ladders having a weight limit :-[ :-[ :-[
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Get the ready mixed motar in bags , just add water :y Then H&S goggles gloves helmet boots and safety harness :(
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just use something to gauge the mix ie small bucket trowel 4 sand 1 cement but do get the sand from builders merchants proper building sand wickes stuff is shite more like silver sand gives you a really sloppy mix ditto ready mixed stuff. and invest in some plastisizer to add to the mix makes it workable for longer or use fairy liquid :y
once youve done a bit its only going to get better dont make the mix to wet or point the joints to early
you will have the time of your life ;D ;D :y
probably loads of videos on utube
you can get a pointing gun as dtm said never used one so dont know if they are any good :y
or have a pointing barbeque in the summer ;D ;D
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who said reverse the meter :-X we pay close on £200 a month from eon for elec and gas 1930s semi and theres only me wifey and doggy mind you wifey has about 10 showers a day doggy dont wash becuase hes a minger and the washing machine is always on always, sure its empty half the time ::) ::)
Yep, and the tumble dryer going much of the weekend and a few sessions during the week........ ::) ::)
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I've got one of these.....
http://pointmaster.co.uk/?gclid=CPrpsOC23LUCFW_KtAod9C8ASg
.... and it's pretty good!! You do get the odd blockage though, but as Lovepoint says if you use plasticizer it makes the mix more 'workable' :y
Don't use B&Q sand either, it's red and like clay!! Utter shite!! :(
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I've got one of these.....
http://pointmaster.co.uk/?gclid=CPrpsOC23LUCFW_KtAod9C8ASg
.... and it's pretty good!! You do get the odd blockage though, but as Lovepoint says if you use plasticizer it makes the mix more 'workable' :y
Don't use B&Q sand either, it's red and like clay!! Utter shite!! :(
;D ;D ;D ;D your not funny shagger hayes ;D ;D ;D :y
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Do brickies still use bucket handles for pointing ::)
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old brickies yes ;D ;D lack of metal buckets but there ar loads of different tools for it can even use a garden hose pipe :o