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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: cleggy on 24 March 2013, 16:35:12
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Team Orders :-........................... Bullmuck >:(
Horner & Brawn talk :- ................ Bullmuck ;D
What is the similarity historically between the crap performance of Williams & McLaren? Sam Michaels >:(
No longer a sport but a joke >:(
As a long term fan and marshall I will no longer watch this circus >:(
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Bet you do!
Team orders, seems fair enough to me.
Despite team orders plenty of incidents and overtaking. Even some humour ;D
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Team Orders :-........................... Bullmuck >:(
Horner & Brawn talk :- ................ Bullmuck ;D
What is the similarity historically between the crap performance of Williams & McLaren? Sam Michaels >:(
No longer a sport but a joke >:(
As a long term fan and marshall I will no longer watch this circus >:(
i always thought it was about raching not team orders :y :y
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Nice to see alonso not finishing
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Bet you do!
Team orders, seems fair enough to me.
Despite team orders plenty of incidents and overtaking. Even some humour ;D
You know me too well ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D but I'll still moan about team orders IT IS A RACE, may the best MAN win :y
bigtimecube.. you are bias against probably the best driver even tho' he's a Spaniard
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Bet you do!
Team orders, seems fair enough to me.
Despite team orders plenty of incidents and overtaking. Even some humour ;D
You know me too well ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D but I'll still moan about team orders IT IS A RACE, may the best MAN win :y
bigtimecube.. you are bias against probably the best driver even tho' he's a Spaniard
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May the best man win is SPORT
Team orders is BUSINESS.
It's a sad fact of life, but as soon as you allow big money into sport......then SPORT and fair play no longer exist.
Nothing personal you understand, It's just business. :-\ :-\ :(
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May the best man win is SPORT
Team orders is BUSINESS.
It's a sad fact of life, but as soon as you allow big money into sport......then SPORT and fair play no longer exist.
Nothing personal you understand, It's just business. :-\ :-\ :(
Team orders have been around long before the advent of high finance in motor sport:
"Such orders were legal and accepted historically in motor racing. In the early years of the Formula One World Championship it was even legal for a driver to give up his car during the race to the team leader if his car had broken down. In 1955 the Mercedes team asked Juan Manuel Fangio to let his teammate Stirling Moss win his home grand prix at Silverstone. Fangio obliged, refusing to attack Moss in the closing stages of the race and coming home second less than a second behind [2] The 1964 season saw a dramatic finale in which Lorenzo Bandini moved over to John Surtees during the Mexican Grand Prix, allowing Surtees to get the necessary points to beat Graham Hill to the World Championship."
:P
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Well, if I was Mark Webber then after today the only wheels Vettel would be using would be on a mobility scooter >:( ;D ;D ;D
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Vettell showed his true colours today imo.He cheated on his own team mate.Im no lover of team orders,I think they are bad for pure racing,but he was given them befor the race and apparently didnt argue (as he probably presumed he would be the one to benefit).
The important fact is that Webber believed that once past a certain point in the race the team orders would kick in,so he was victim of an unfair attack.He wasnt expecting it to happen,so was defensively weak.
Im sure he has quietly obeyed this order quite a few times in the past,thus helping Vettell to win his world championships.
Vettell is yet another arrogant,selfish cheat from the same mould as Scumacher (but with a lot less intelligence).
Red Bull need to handle this situation very carefully,with an eye on history.
At the 1982 San Marino GP at Imola,most teams didnt turn up due to the war between FISA/FOCA.The Ferraris of Villenueve and Pironi were leading the race and at a certain point the same team orders as today should have kicked in.
Villenueve had always argued against this,as he was a pure racer through and through.He believed that anyone who was given the privilige of driving an F1 car should drive it at the absolute maximum every corner of every lap,unless they had a healthy lead in a race.
Enzo Ferrari told him he understood and respected his point of view,but he owned the cars and if they had a commanding one two position in a race,he wanted them brought home without taking risks.
Well past the point of bringing the cars home,Pironi overtook Villenueve for the lead.Villenueve assumed that this was to put on a good show for the home crowd,as there wasnt much entertainment for them due to most of the teams not turning up.The lead swapped a few times but on the last lap when Villenueve tried to retake the lead,he assumed he would be waved through but Pironi blocked him every way he could.Pironi won the race and Vilenueve was livid.He vowed he would never speak to Pironi again as long as he lived,and he didnt.
When they went to Zolder a fortnight later,Villenueve was just as angry as when he had left Imola.He was in a very bad frame of mind when qualifying started and was killed in a horrific crash before it finished.
This incident has been borne in mind by teams and drivers in F1 since and they have tried to avoid it happening again.
Rene Arnoux puled a similar trick on his Ferrari team mate (Prost) a few years later.Ferrari paid him to sit at home watching the races on TV until his contract ran out,and therefore effectively finished his career.Enzo wasnt a man who would let anyone think they were bigger than him or his team.I very much doubt Christian Horner is cut from the same cloth somehow.
Ron Dennis was very worried it would happen again with Prost and Senna,and it nearly did.
I dont think Vettell has enough of a sense of history (or indeed right & wrong) to appreciate what he did today unfortunately.
In an ideal (sporting) world,the team should suspend him from the next GP imo,but hes far too petulant and theres far too much money involved for that to happen these days I would imagine.
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Yep and remember that as a German, he has protection from on high ;)
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Which Webber proudly announced during his podium interview. :y ;D
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Which Webber proudly announced during his podium interview. :y ;D
Yep and when the guy in question was interviewed he waffled like mad ::)
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Yep.Red Bull have announced that Vettells interviews will likely contain more horse shit than Tescos burgers contain horse meat.What a nobhead. ::)
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Vettell showed his true colours today imo.He cheated on his own team mate.Im no lover of team orders,I think they are bad for pure racing,but he was given them befor the race and apparently didnt argue (as he probably presumed he would be the one to benefit).
The important fact is that Webber believed that once past a certain point in the race the team orders would kick in,so he was victim of an unfair attack.He wasnt expecting it to happen,so was defensively weak.
Im sure he has quietly obeyed this order quite a few times in the past,thus helping Vettell to win his world championships.
Vettell is yet another arrogant,selfish cheat from the same mould as Scumacher (but with a lot less intelligence).
Red Bull need to handle this situation very carefully,with an eye on history.
At the 1982 San Marino GP at Imola,most teams didnt turn up due to the war between FISA/FOCA.The Ferraris of Villenueve and Pironi were leading the race and at a certain point the same team orders as today should have kicked in.
Villenueve had always argued against this,as he was a pure racer through and through.He believed that anyone who was given the privilige of driving an F1 car should drive it at the absolute maximum every corner of every lap,unless they had a healthy lead in a race.
Enzo Ferrari told him he understood and respected his point of view,but he owned the cars and if they had a commanding one two position in a race,he wanted them brought home without taking risks.
Well past the point of bringing the cars home,Pironi overtook Villenueve for the lead.Villenueve assumed that this was to put on a good show for the home crowd,as there wasnt much entertainment for them due to most of the teams not turning up.The lead swapped a few times but on the last lap when Villenueve tried to retake the lead,he assumed he would be waved through but Pironi blocked him every way he could.Pironi won the race and Vilenueve was livid.He vowed he would never speak to Pironi again as long as he lived,and he didnt.
When they went to Zolder a fortnight later,Villenueve was just as angry as when he had left Imola.He was in a very bad frame of mind when qualifying started and was killed in a horrific crash before it finished.
This incident has been borne in mind by teams and drivers in F1 since and they have tried to avoid it happening again.
Rene Arnoux puled a similar trick on his Ferrari team mate (Prost) a few years later.Ferrari paid him to sit at home watching the races on TV until his contract ran out,and therefore effectively finished his career.Enzo wasnt a man who would let anyone think they were bigger than him or his team.I very much doubt Christian Horner is cut from the same cloth somehow.
Ron Dennis was very worried it would happen again with Prost and Senna,and it nearly did.
I dont think Vettell has enough of a sense of history (or indeed right & wrong) to appreciate what he did today unfortunately.
In an ideal (sporting) world,the team should suspend him from the next GP imo,but hes far too petulant and theres far too much money involved for that to happen these days I would imagine.
he only done what he supposed to . and that was race . and not follow a rule dont overtake when told not to . that f1 is gone boring :y ;D
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Vettell showed his true colours today imo.He cheated on his own team mate.Im no lover of team orders,I think they are bad for pure racing,but he was given them befor the race and apparently didnt argue (as he probably presumed he would be the one to benefit).
The important fact is that Webber believed that once past a certain point in the race the team orders would kick in,so he was victim of an unfair attack.He wasnt expecting it to happen,so was defensively weak.
Im sure he has quietly obeyed this order quite a few times in the past,thus helping Vettell to win his world championships.
Vettell is yet another arrogant,selfish cheat from the same mould as Scumacher (but with a lot less intelligence).
Red Bull need to handle this situation very carefully,with an eye on history.
At the 1982 San Marino GP at Imola,most teams didnt turn up due to the war between FISA/FOCA.The Ferraris of Villenueve and Pironi were leading the race and at a certain point the same team orders as today should have kicked in.
Villenueve had always argued against this,as he was a pure racer through and through.He believed that anyone who was given the privilige of driving an F1 car should drive it at the absolute maximum every corner of every lap,unless they had a healthy lead in a race.
Enzo Ferrari told him he understood and respected his point of view,but he owned the cars and if they had a commanding one two position in a race,he wanted them brought home without taking risks.
Well past the point of bringing the cars home,Pironi overtook Villenueve for the lead.Villenueve assumed that this was to put on a good show for the home crowd,as there wasnt much entertainment for them due to most of the teams not turning up.The lead swapped a few times but on the last lap when Villenueve tried to retake the lead,he assumed he would be waved through but Pironi blocked him every way he could.Pironi won the race and Vilenueve was livid.He vowed he would never speak to Pironi again as long as he lived,and he didnt.
When they went to Zolder a fortnight later,Villenueve was just as angry as when he had left Imola.He was in a very bad frame of mind when qualifying started and was killed in a horrific crash before it finished.
This incident has been borne in mind by teams and drivers in F1 since and they have tried to avoid it happening again.
Rene Arnoux puled a similar trick on his Ferrari team mate (Prost) a few years later.Ferrari paid him to sit at home watching the races on TV until his contract ran out,and therefore effectively finished his career.Enzo wasnt a man who would let anyone think they were bigger than him or his team.I very much doubt Christian Horner is cut from the same cloth somehow.
Ron Dennis was very worried it would happen again with Prost and Senna,and it nearly did.
I dont think Vettell has enough of a sense of history (or indeed right & wrong) to appreciate what he did today unfortunately.
In an ideal (sporting) world,the team should suspend him from the next GP imo,but hes far too petulant and theres far too much money involved for that to happen these days I would imagine.
[/quote]he only done what he supposed to . and that was race . and not follow a rule dont overtake when told not to . that f1 is gone boring :y ;D
ok for you bet you watched it live on sky :D :D :D
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My expectation of the conversation in the Red Bull Hospitality after the race
"Geday mate here's a tinny. Next time you pull a stunt like that, MATE, I will shove the next one up your a*** and make sure you never win a race again. Get me ;)"
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So when his ozzie mate switches the tables I think we should all cheer.
Or was it just a case off move over buddy, Suzy here I come........... :P
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Strange, No mention of Hamilton ???
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Was great to see him get on the podium.Making much better use of the Merc than old Scummy did. :y
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Was great to see him get on the podium.Making much better use of the Merc than old Scummy did. :y
i agree :y hamilton done good i think ..he is a good driver and a fighter
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Was great to see him get on the podium.Making much better use of the Merc than old Scummy did. :y
i agree :y hamilton done good i think ..he is a good driver and a fighter
and the fact that he drove into the mclaren pit box ;D
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Was great to see him get on the podium.Making much better use of the Merc than old Scummy did. :y
i agree :y hamilton done good i think ..he is a good driver and a fighter
and the fact that he drove into the mclaren pit box ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Strange, No mention of Hamilton ???
who wants to >:( >:(
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Was great to see him get on the podium.Making much better use of the Merc than old Scummy did. :y
i agree :y hamilton done good i think ..he is a good driver and a fighter
and the fact that he drove into the mclaren pit box ;D
Yep,that was funny,as for Webber/Vettel I hope next time Mark is told to hold station behind Vettel he returns the favour ::)
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Strange, No mention of Hamilton ???
who wants to >:( >:(
Nicole forgives him for diving in the wrong pit.
After all. Hes no James Hunt.
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Strange, No mention of Hamilton ???
who wants to >:( >:(
Is it because he's black ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Strange, No mention of Hamilton ???
who wants to >:( >:(
Is it because he's black ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
no always to cocky . a dangerous ;D ;D
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Strange, No mention of Hamilton ???
who wants to >:( >:(
Is it because he's black ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
no always to cocky . a dangerous ;D ;D
You find the need to laugh when defining him as dangerous? ::)
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Strange, No mention of Hamilton ???
who wants to >:( >:(
Is it because he's black ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D
no always to cocky . a dangerous ;D ;D
You find the need to laugh when defining him as dangerous? ::)
always has been
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Crap.
Maldonardo is dangerous.Scumacher was the most dangerous driver to ever sit in an F1 car.
Hamilton isnt dangerous.Never has been.
Feel free to post specific examples Ralf. ;)
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Crap.
Maldonardo is dangerous.Scumacher was the most dangerous driver to ever sit in an F1 car.
Hamilton isnt dangerous.Never has been.
Feel free to post specific examples Ralf. ;)
That Lotus French muppet is also quite dangerous, think it was 7 races last year where he caused incidents on the first lap? :o
One very serious, nearly taking off Alonso's head :o
As Albs says Ralf, lets have a specific example, one race, one over-take/corner where Lewis was dangerous? All I've ever seen from him was some brilliant over-taking moves when needed.
As for the last race, Webber dialled down his engine and was looking after tyres, as per team instructions. If he had known Vettles intent, I suspect he would have put the hammer down much earlier. Used to like Vettle, thought he came across as a like-able chap, but he is becoming more and more like Scumacker ever race :(
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And I bet Vettel gets up early to nick the best sunbeds :D :D
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i see the anti german feeling is alive and well ;D ;D
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i see the anti german feeling is alive and well ;D ;D
Yeah why not. Bloody crouts. ;D ;D
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krauts i believe is the term,not crouts :y
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krauts i believe is the term,not crouts :y
Rolf won't notice. ;)
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yes as i thought :y :y
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krauts i believe is the term,not crouts :y
Rolf won't notice. ;)
he did but used to it now :y :y
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krauts i believe is the term,not crouts :y
Rolf won't notice. ;)
he did but used to it now :y :y
Grown a sense of humour Rolf? ;)
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krauts i believe is the term,not crouts :y
Rolf won't notice. ;)
he did but used to it now :y :y
Grown a sense of humour Rolf? ;)
Do Germans even know what that is? :)
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krauts i believe is the term,not crouts :y
Rolf won't notice. ;)
he did but used to it now :y :y
Grown a sense of humour Rolf? ;)
no got thick skined had it for years so dont bother me now ;D ;D
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krauts i believe is the term,not crouts :y
Rolf won't notice. ;)
he did but used to it now :y :y
Grown a sense of humour Rolf? ;)
Do Germans even know what that is? :)
more than the english do :y
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krauts i believe is the term,not crouts :y
Rolf won't notice. ;)
he did but used to it now :y :y
Grown a sense of humour Rolf? ;)
no got thick skined had it for years so dont bother me now ;D ;D
You started it. ::)
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Don't mention the war. ;D ;D
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Being typical German though, asked to provide exact proof. (Of Lewis being dangerous)
He has avoided the question ;)
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Could have been an even better race ::)
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Don't mention the war. ;D ;D
A Prawn Goebbels, A Hermann Goering and Two Colditz Salads :)
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Being typical German though, asked to provide exact proof. (Of Lewis being dangerous)
He has avoided the question ;)
being typical english anti german . i got plenty of proof , but don't know how to put it on here . not being a computer nerd .when my friend comes down he can put it on here for me .you just have to wait :y :y
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Being typical German though, asked to provide exact proof. (Of Lewis being dangerous)
He has avoided the question ;)
being typical english anti german . i got plenty of proof , but don't know how to put it on here . not being a computer nerd .when my friend comes down he can put it on here for me .you just have to wait :y :y
Why do you need to be a computer nerd? If he has "always been" dangerous, surely you can tell us of a race circuit and year? And who he was dangerous against?
No? ::)
He maybe a little over rated, but I've never seen him do anything dangerous on race days ;)
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Being typical German though, asked to provide exact proof. (Of Lewis being dangerous)
He has avoided the question ;)
being typical english anti german . i got plenty of proof , but don't know how to put it on here . not being a computer nerd .when my friend comes down he can put it on here for me .you just have to wait :y :y
Why do you need to be a computer nerd? If he has "always been" dangerous, surely you can tell us of a race circuit and year? And who he was dangerous against?
No? ::)
He maybe a little over rated, but I've never seen him do anything dangerous on race days ;)
but you being english wont see anything wrong with glory boy . you got blinkers on .like most of his fans ;D ;D
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Yet again skipping question, any chance of some proof yet?
I personally don't like Alonso, he's an arrogant little git in my opinion. But, he is a hugely talented driver, last years F2012 far proved that, he also is a fantastic racer when he is up front. Like to see some more action between him & Kimi.
There is a difference between not liking someone & attacking them for something they are not.
You used to call Lewis a clown driver did you not? If so, he's a clown doing a better job in the same car than Schumaker did ;)
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Yet again skipping question, any chance of some proof yet?
I personally don't like Alonso, he's an arrogant little git in my opinion. But, he is a hugely talented driver, last years F2012 far proved that, he also is a fantastic racer when he is up front. Like to see some more action between him & Kimi.
There is a difference between not liking someone & attacking them for something they are not.
You used to call Lewis a clown driver did you not? If so, he's a clown doing a better job in the same car than Schumaker did ;)
why dont you just sod of tunnie .me and you dont like each other >:( >:( >:(
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Yet again skipping question, any chance of some proof yet?
I personally don't like Alonso, he's an arrogant little git in my opinion. But, he is a hugely talented driver, last years F2012 far proved that, he also is a fantastic racer when he is up front. Like to see some more action between him & Kimi.
There is a difference between not liking someone & attacking them for something they are not.
You used to call Lewis a clown driver did you not? If so, he's a clown doing a better job in the same car than Schumaker did ;)
why dont you just sod of tunnie .me and you dont like each other >:( >:( >:(
I've attempted to help you many times such as your Sky install. Why the aggression?
I see instead of providing evidence to your statement, we are off on a tangent again.
So you resort to personal abuse do you? Ah I see :-X
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Yet again skipping question, any chance of some proof yet?
I personally don't like Alonso, he's an arrogant little git in my opinion. But, he is a hugely talented driver, last years F2012 far proved that, he also is a fantastic racer when he is up front. Like to see some more action between him & Kimi.
There is a difference between not liking someone & attacking them for something they are not.
You used to call Lewis a clown driver did you not? If so, he's a clown doing a better job in the same car than Schumaker did ;)
why dont you just sod of tunnie .me and you dont like each other >:( >:( >:(
I've attempted to help you many times such as your Sky install. Why the aggression?
I see instead of providing evidence to your statement, we are off on a tangent again.
So you resort to personal abuse do you? Ah I see :-X
as i said earlier if you read it. i am getting the proof together it just takes time on how many times it was :y :y
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Could have been an even better race ::)
yes if they let rosberg past him , was told to stay behind which he didn't like one bit :y :y
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Can't beat a bit of Tom and Jerry. ;D
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Can't beat a bit of Tom and Jerry. ;D
I thought it was starting to get a bit more like Punch 'n Judy in here, myself..
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Can't beat a bit of Tom and Jerry. ;D
;D ;D ;D
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I certainly can't remember any occasion when Hamilton was dangerous and await the proof with interest ???
Unlike Schumacher, Vettel or Grosjean and others >:( >:(
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Meanwhile back to the thread.
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/formula-one-launches-race-unfixing-probe-2013032663802
I particularly like the line "Kind of like Wacky Races but with odder drivers, more ridiculous-looking cars and lots of girls who look like hookers.”
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Webber was right Vettel is protected >:(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/21967790
"They shook hands" YEAH RIGHT ;D ;D
Anyone fancy a bit of spread betting, teams orders do seem to make a little side bet interesting, or is it just not Cricket ::)