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Omega Help Area => Omega Electrical and Audio Help => Topic started by: Mr.OmegaMan on 08 May 2013, 01:30:45
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Few electrical faults with the Elite, I've only just noticed that the 3.2 has factory fit parking sensors but their not bleeping at all could be many things I suppose, fuse, lose or broken wire, beep speeker faulty etc... Any idea what it could be and if its possible to be a fuse which fuse would it be.. Not really fussed about them but I like things to work (who doesn't ;D)...
And I'm sure it has automatic sensing wipers as there's no variable speed scrolling wheel.. How could I test if it has them is there a activation switch or something and I presume a hosepipe would activate them.. and it's possible if it had a windscreen replacement not the proper type was fitted, ah well i'll play around with things tomorrow.. It's a 2002 on a "51"..
Not an electrical fault but the ashtray is one of those type that doesn't close properly. Just annoying that is.. Shame the 2.2s is perfect.
Funnily enough the electric rear blind works have read many times on OOF these can be a pain..
Thanks
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ashtray may be the clip at rear of it that locks in place, tiny piece of plastic that likes to snap in the shape of a hook, mine went lots of super glue and repaired, to find i had a spare in loft but with 2 omegas im bound to need it sooner or later
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ashtray may be the clip at rear of it that locks in place, tiny piece of plastic that likes to snap in the shape of a hook, mine went lots of super glue and repaired, to find i had a spare in loft but with 2 omegas im bound to need it sooner or later
That will be on the list of things to do :y
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Parking sensors .. if no noise its power, speaker or control box, as the self test circuit will give a series of beeps if it detects something else wrong, like a sensor failure.
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02 year like mine has no rain sensitive wipers, or variable control. Only standard on off or set intermittent! Bit crap really.
Can fit a VW "learning" fuse that learns time you set on interminant, but it's no way near as good as standard adjustable setting on lower models.
Vx really messed up I think on this :(
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02 year like mine has no rain sensitive wipers, or variable control. Only standard on off or set intermittent! Bit crap really.
Can fit a VW "learning" fuse that learns time you set on interminant, but it's no way near as good as standard adjustable setting on lower models.
Vx really messed up I think on this :(
Looks like mine is like yours then :(
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Parking sensors .. if no noise its power, speaker or control box, as the self test circuit will give a series of beeps if it detects something else wrong, like a sensor failure.
fixable easily or :-\
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Parking sensors .. if no noise its power, speaker or control box, as the self test circuit will give a series of beeps if it detects something else wrong, like a sensor failure.
fixable easily or :-\
If it`s the speaker, modify a tweeter ;)
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Can fit a VW "learning" fuse
Known as a VW 99 relay
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Can fit a VW "learning" fuse
Known as a VW 99 relay
Cheers Rob :y
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Can fit a VW "learning" fuse
Known as a VW 99 relay
extremely easy to use as well .. wouldn't be without it now ... :)
flick up for a single sweep, then when the screen just starts to get too wet, up to the intermittent position and leave .. you've just set the time interval, they will keep going at the time between the single sweep and the intermittent selection.
If the rain increases/decreases ... go to off. Repeat the above ... easy peasy .. :)
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VW99 is a PITA.
I think the rain sensing wipers are a PITA as well, just not as much as a pain as VW99.
Possible to retrofit the "proper" earlier type.
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I think the rain sensing wipers are a PITA as well, ......
I've never used auto wipers in Vauxhal of any kind, however I've got quite used to them in my Merc ........ they can be 'temperamental' though - either 2x speed when not needed or slow to wipe when the screen really does need wiping.
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VW99 is a PITA.
I think the rain sensing wipers are a PITA as well, just not as much as a pain as VW99.
Possible to retrofit the "proper" earlier type.
Concur with both sentiments :y
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I think the rain sensing wipers are a PITA as well, ......
I've never used auto wipers in Vauxhal of any kind, however I've got quite used to them in my Merc ........ they can be 'temperamental' though - either 2x speed when not needed or slow to wipe when the screen really does need wiping.
Too anxious on the Omega. And on most other cars I've tried TBH.
In the case of the Omega, it means you have to use those gay aero style wipers to do away with the noise on a dry-ish screen, which leads to a dirty windscreen.
Did I mention I think they are a PITA.
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Wouldn't be without them on the Jag. ;) ;)
Only time they can be a PITA is when the pratt in front turns on his badly aimed washers.
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Wouldn't be without them on the Jag. ;) ;)
Only time they can be a PITA is when the pratt in front turns on his badly aimed washers.
that will be me then ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
fixed them this morning
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VW99 on first use is ok, it's when the rain changes I find it very frustrating to use. The older system was much better for quick adjustments, or spray increases or slow in the rain.
Old style system would be very much preferred on my Elite, as to be honest the VW99 setup is shite for me.
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Think i'll leave the wipers alone for now, at least they work sort of same goes for parking sensors ;D The joys of a V6 elite are becoming clearer the more time I spend with it. Everything is a disaster waiting to happen. On the bright side engine is fine touch wood very thick wood ;D
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Just wait until you DIY work on it, 2.2 is a dream to work on. V6 is errrr, not ;D
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Just wait until you DIY work on it, 2.2 is a dream to work on. V6 is errrr, not ;D
Looks like it needs front discs and pads pulling to the side and juddering when braking hard and a slight knock on the passenger front side when going over bumps, speed humps etc.. Will have to check and do the discs before mot..
Engine looks complicated compared to simple 4 pot 2.2 ;D ..
But the power and sound possibly make it worth while. We'll see though lol
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Just wait until you DIY work on it, 2.2 is a dream to work on. V6 is errrr, not ;D
Looks like it needs front discs and pads pulling to the side and juddering when braking hard and a slight knock on the passenger front side when going over bumps, speed humps etc.. Will have to check and do the discs before mot..
Engine looks complicated compared to simple 4 pot 2.2 ;D ..
But the power and sound possibly make it worth while. We'll see though lol
New discs and pads and droplinks :y Ashtray facia comes off so only need the gubbins :y
You're not wrong on the noise, V6 at full chat is an aural delight 8)
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Just wait until you DIY work on it, 2.2 is a dream to work on. V6 is errrr, not ;D
Looks like it needs front discs and pads pulling to the side and juddering when braking hard and a slight knock on the passenger front side when going over bumps, speed humps etc.. Will have to check and do the discs before mot..
Engine looks complicated compared to simple 4 pot 2.2 ;D ..
But the power and sound possibly make it worth while. We'll see though lol
New discs and pads and droplinks :y Ashtray facia comes off so only need the gubbins :y
You're not wrong on the noise, V6 at full chat is an aural delight 8)
will check the droplinks tomorrow if this wind and rain stops :y ..
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id rather do your list of jobs then the full engine change ive got coming up on my elite due to missis cooking it
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id rather do your list of jobs then the full engine change ive got coming up on my elite due to missis cooking it
:o I wouldn't even entertain the idea of changing an engine or transmission I'd rather just get another Omega but that's eaisier said than done also, Anyway Best of Luck buddy :y
Haven't really got round to mentioning other problems mind ;D
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thanks, i collect new engine sat, should list problems, plenty of us around to help, some wierd and wonderful solutions to problems too
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thanks, i collect new engine sat, should list problems, plenty of us around to help, some wierd and wonderful solutions to problems too
Will do once I figure out what some are, odd things like sunroof open to max then close but it doesn't close fully then goes back to open press the closed position to close fully.
Here's a pic of "Trouble" i'll call this Omega...
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/F061C9F8-F511-49E3-9D5C-E5953F380F03-876-00000077C2CDF8AE_zps00c99067.jpg)
Ah set it too small will upload tomorrow with laptop..
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Went for MOT so I could get an idea what I'm up against, Only failed on one thing to my surprise... Passenger side steering idler or something they garage didn't know the name of it... Fair but of play but not bad thought it would have failed on a list of things ;D
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Went for MOT so I could get an idea what I'm up against, Only failed on one thing to my surprise... Passenger side steering idler or something they garage didn't know the name of it... Fair but of play but not bad thought it would have failed on a list of things ;D
http://www.allgermanparts.co.uk/siteimages/4/8/2/48294/406055/f_1220825.jpg
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Went for MOT so I could get an idea what I'm up against, Only failed on one thing to my surprise... Passenger side steering idler or something they garage didn't know the name of it... Fair but of play but not bad thought it would have failed on a list of things ;D
http://www.allgermanparts.co.uk/siteimages/4/8/2/48294/406055/f_1220825.jpg
Lost your touch Rob? ::) ::) ;) ;)
(http://www.allgermanparts.co.uk/siteimages/4/8/2/48294/406055/f_1220825.jpg)
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Went for MOT so I could get an idea what I'm up against, Only failed on one thing to my surprise... Passenger side steering idler or something they garage didn't know the name of it... Fair but of play but not bad thought it would have failed on a list of things ;D
http://www.allgermanparts.co.uk/siteimages/4/8/2/48294/406055/f_1220825.jpg
Lost your touch Rob? ::) ::) ;) ;)
(http://www.allgermanparts.co.uk/siteimages/4/8/2/48294/406055/f_1220825.jpg)
yeah thanks something like that it was :y
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Best place to buy cheap but decent quality ?
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Don't buy cheap!!!! ::)
Buy the one from AllGermanParts.
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Lemforder from AGP as said.
The LMF and egay £15 ones, if fitted today, would not pass tomoroow's MOT. I can not begin to describe how poor they are.
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Don't buy cheap!!!! ::)
Buy the one from AllGermanParts.
This one i presume :)
http://www.allgermanparts.co.uk/ourshop/prod_1220825-Steering-idler-arm-Original-equipment-Lemforder-14927-01-9195731.html
Do these people deliver quick as i need it within 7 working days 10 max..
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Don't buy cheap!!!! ::)
Buy the one from AllGermanParts.
This one i presume :)
http://www.allgermanparts.co.uk/ourshop/prod_1220825-Steering-idler-arm-Original-equipment-Lemforder-14927-01-9195731.html
Do these people deliver quick as i need it within 7 working days 10 max..
and i presume that the part would cost much more from a local VX :-\ (without TC price don't have it and none on the VX dealers accept them around this way anyway.)
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You presume correctly mate ;)
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Thanks for the link to AGP have just bought it £50.55 delivered :-* :y
http://www.allgermanparts.co.uk/ourshop/prod_1220825-Steering-idler-arm-Original-equipment-Lemforder-14927-01-9195731.html
For a laugh called local VX £190 for the kit or £95 per part :o and no where else sells them so linky very handy ;)
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Thanks for the link to AGP have just bought it £50.55 delivered :-* :y
http://www.allgermanparts.co.uk/ourshop/prod_1220825-Steering-idler-arm-Original-equipment-Lemforder-14927-01-9195731.html
For a laugh called local VX £190 for the kit or £95 per part :o and no where else sells them so linky very handy ;)
:o
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A quick update... ;)
Managed to get the steering idler off without too much bother, and i think while she's in the air I'll do the brakes and an oil change..
a quick question is the oil filter the same type as on 2.2 petrol or different ?
Some pic's..
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/0BCCE2E0-C8FD-421B-A572-7838F1E965D2-2257-0000016479F447CE_zps7b9845b2.jpg) (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/Agemo_Legend/media/0BCCE2E0-C8FD-421B-A572-7838F1E965D2-2257-0000016479F447CE_zps7b9845b2.jpg.html)
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/DE324594-AAC4-4456-A264-63A42E0394FF-2257-000001649BF16AE3_zpse80c0d2d.jpg) (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/Agemo_Legend/media/DE324594-AAC4-4456-A264-63A42E0394FF-2257-000001649BF16AE3_zpse80c0d2d.jpg.html)
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/4ACE5C8C-E914-4729-B2E6-B075DB597A94-2257-0000016496965CBD_zps772bd08b.jpg) (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/Agemo_Legend/media/4ACE5C8C-E914-4729-B2E6-B075DB597A94-2257-0000016496965CBD_zps772bd08b.jpg.html)
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/EF7618CA-D6A9-40F3-8A3C-CFB93D351804-2257-000001648DA3E30B_zpsf6226628.jpg) (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/Agemo_Legend/media/EF7618CA-D6A9-40F3-8A3C-CFB93D351804-2257-000001648DA3E30B_zpsf6226628.jpg.html)
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/3FA8BB34-507B-42C1-8A14-7A9F24B5E899-2257-0000016485C68322_zps1434db10.jpg) (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/Agemo_Legend/media/3FA8BB34-507B-42C1-8A14-7A9F24B5E899-2257-0000016485C68322_zps1434db10.jpg.html)
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That looks like a really good way to bend the chassis rails :o
Discs aren't too clever either ::)
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That looks like a really good way to bend the chassis rails :o
Discs aren't too clever either ::)
It's a tough old thing she'll take it if it knows what's good for it ;D
Aye I'm replacing them, discs and pads from local factors will be around £90-£100 ;)
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Disc and pad set is £100 from VX, don't bother with the factors for anything other than rear discs :y
And be sure to only fit vented discs to the rear :y
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Oh it's this type of oil filter...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-Vauxhall-Sintra-Vectra-Signum-Omega-Corsa-Cartridge-Oil-Filter-9192426-/121024697681?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1c2da25551
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3.2 one certainly looks like that, but about twice what you need to pay for one :-\ Again VX is usually cheaper than factors for all service items, including oil :y
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Disc and pad set is £100 from VX, don't bother with the factors for anything other than rear discs :y
And be sure to only fit vented discs to the rear :y
My local VX are useless most of the time i've got to explain what an Omega is. Plus i need them asap. But will give them a shout tomorrow.
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3.2 one certainly looks like that, but about twice what you need to pay for one :-\
That's Vauxhall official eBay account as well..
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Disc and pad set should be a stock item :y
Why sell stuff over the counter when you can stick it on ebay for twice the money ::)
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Was tempted by these.. But I remembered a post about this some time ago weren't good apparently..
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Omega-B-FL-3-2-V6-Front-Brake-Discs-Drilled-Grooved-11-01-12-03-GPX-004-/140627661437?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item20be0fd27d
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I don't know what's wrong with me i did ask VX for discs and pads just under £125 without VAT. :-\
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I don't know what's wrong with me i did ask VX for discs and pads just under £125 without VAT. :-\
Tell them not to be so tight and sell them to you for the Trade Club price, and while they're at it what discount can they give you for anything else you might need :y
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I don't know what's wrong with me i did ask VX for discs and pads just under £125 without VAT. :-\
Tell them not to be so tight and sell them to you for the Trade Club price, and while they're at it what discount can they give you for anything else you might need :y
Trust me they will not budge on price and TC fat chance. I've bought things from these motor factors for years on many cars all parts have been top notch and quick service :)
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Find a better dealer ;D
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Find a better dealer ;D
Tried pretty much all of them within 80miles all are tight and all useless,
Just kids that have no idea what they're doing working in VX dealers now days (around here at least)
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Doesn't the 3.2 V6 hold around 6 litres of oil I believe when with a new oil filter :-\
Have got plenty of GM oil and will get a GM oil filter :y
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5.5L on a V6 change, oil filter is a paper element and cannot be pre-filled.
So up to the full mark, start, wait minute or so, off, wait for it to settle, then top up accordingly :y
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5.75 litres according to Mr Haynes for 2.5 & 3.0 engines ;)
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A full can then a Newky Brown bottle full was always just about right for my 2.5.
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5.5L on a V6 change, oil filter is a paper element and cannot be pre-filled.
So up to the full mark, start, wait minute or so, off, wait for it to settle, then top up accordingly :y
Thanks for that :y
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5.75 litres according to Mr Haynes for 2.5 & 3.0 engines ;)
Have got a Haynes manual hardly ever use it even when I had a PFL very poorly laid out and it's pretty useless for the FL models on the whole :-\ ...
So it's around in between 5.5L - 5.75L but not 6L :y
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New front discs and pads fitted pretty easy job and sprayed the calipers black after treating them :y
Got the GM oil ready just waiting to get the GM oil filter delivered from Vauxhall Official eBay... Not going to fit the steering idler until the oil is all sorted.
It's coming along slowly, I just want to use it already :)
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Doing the oil today, So it holds between 5.5 - 5.75 Liters of GM oil when also changing the oil filter ...
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Just drained the oil and letting it drip, the oil wasn't too bad but the filter :o was in a hell of a state even had a whole through it and pretty much crumbled in my hands ...
Fitted a new GM one along with the seal :y going to flush some clean oil through the engine to help clear out the old stuff :)
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Everything is now done,
Brake discs and pads front (done)
New steering idler (done)
Oil and oil filter (done)
Drives nicely now, Glides along :)
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Few electrical faults with the Elite, I've only just noticed that the 3.2 has factory fit parking sensors but their not bleeping at all could be many things I suppose, fuse, lose or broken wire, beep speeker faulty etc... Any idea what it could be and if its possible to be a fuse which fuse would it be.. Not really fussed about them but I like things to work (who doesn't ;D)...
And I'm sure it has automatic sensing wipers as there's no variable speed scrolling wheel.. How could I test if it has them is there a activation switch or something and I presume a hosepipe would activate them.. and it's possible if it had a windscreen replacement not the proper type was fitted, ah well i'll play around with things tomorrow.. It's a 2002 on a "51"..
Not an electrical fault but the ashtray is one of those type that doesn't close properly. Just annoying that is.. Shame the 2.2s is perfect.
Funnily enough the electric rear blind works have read many times on OOF these can be a pain..
Thanks
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Back to my original 1st post about the parking sensors i fancy having a go fixing them..
Few questions where is the speaker, control box, fuse etc.. located
Parking sensors .. if no noise its power, speaker or control box, as the self test circuit will give a series of beeps if it detects something else wrong, like a sensor failure.
fixable easily or :-\
If it`s the speaker, modify a tweeter ;)
I'm not sure what you mean Rob by modify a speaker ??? Do you mean replace ?
Parking sensors .. if no noise its power, speaker or control box, as the self test circuit will give a series of beeps if it detects something else wrong, like a sensor failure.
There is no noise of any type when in reverse apart from the engine sound ;D :-*
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Few questions where is the speaker, control box, fuse etc.. located
Speaker should be under headlining near sunroof, control box normally mounted forward of spare wheel well, no fuse, power comes from reverse light circuit.
I'm not sure what you mean Rob by modify a speaker Do you mean replace ?
Tweeter, Yes.
You need a tweeter and it`s plug with a short length of the two wires. Remove Parkpilot speaker, join the two tweeter cables to the Parkpilot speaker cables then remove the resistor from tweeter and solder the two arrowed wires together, wrap tweeter in foam, bit of double-sided tape, position tweeter, plug in, job done.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z257/belisensis/TWEETER.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/belisensis/media/TWEETER.jpg.html)
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z257/belisensis/TWEETCONN.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/belisensis/media/TWEETCONN.jpg.html)
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Few questions where is the speaker, control box, fuse etc.. located
Speaker should be under headlining near sunroof, control box normally mounted forward of spare wheel well, no fuse.
I'm not sure what you mean Rob by modify a speaker Do you mean replace ?
Tweeter, Yes.
You need a tweeter and it`s plug with a short length of the two wires. Remove Parkpilot speaker, join the two tweeter cables to the Parkpilot speaker cables then remove the resistor from tweeter and solder the two arrowed wires together, wrap tweeter in foam, bit of double-sided tape, position tweeter, plug in, job done.
Thanks Rob :y
Any pics of location of speaker or tweeter whatever the little bugger is called, Had a look where that round plastic cap slides off near the sunroof cant see anything like that in there :-\
and where would be the best place to buy the replacement part from..
Is it more likely to be a speaker/tweeter failed going by experience ?
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Any pics of location of speaker or tweeter whatever the little bugger is called, Had a look where that round plastic cap slides off near the sunroof cant see anything like that in there
and where would be the best place to buy the replacement part from..
Is it more likely to be a speaker/tweeter failed going by experience ?
No pics. Locate control box, if passenger side (should be) speaker cable will route behind "C" pillar trim, along headlining trim then should route across to rear of sunroof where "B" pillar (seatbelt) trim is.
No idea where they can be sourced.
Easiest way to determine speaker failure is to strip back the insulation on both wires, wrap another cable to each bare strand and connect the other 2 ends to any old car speaker
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Any pics of location of speaker or tweeter whatever the little bugger is called, Had a look where that round plastic cap slides off near the sunroof cant see anything like that in there
and where would be the best place to buy the replacement part from..
Is it more likely to be a speaker/tweeter failed going by experience ?
No pics. Locate control box, if passenger side (should be) speaker cable will route behind "C" pillar trim, along headlining trim then should route across to rear of sunroof where "B" pillar (seatbelt) trim is.
No idea where they can be sourced.
Easiest way to determine speaker failure is to strip back the insulation on both wires, wrap another cable to each bare strand and connect the other 2 ends to any old car speaker
Will have a better look tomorrow. Maybe someone on OOF scrapping a car will have one to sell :-\
Something like this ?
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/ParkingSensors_zpsc5979232.gif) (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/Agemo_Legend/media/ParkingSensors_zpsc5979232.gif.html)
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Control box, then speaker cable behind C trim runs along edge of headlining behind roof trim then at B pillar 90deg across to rear of sunroof :D Once you`ve traced the cable you`ll be able to see the speaker when pulling down headlining slightly.
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z257/belisensis/OMEGA_zps467d77ff.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/belisensis/media/OMEGA_zps467d77ff.jpg.html)
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Control box, then speaker cable behind C trim runs along edge of headlining behind roof trim then at B pillar 90deg across to rear of sunroof :D Once you`ve traced the cable you`ll be able to see the speaker when pulling down headlining slightly.
Thanks Rob :y
What a palaver for a "tweeter" speaker :D
Well i'm going to have loads of fun stripping The Car tomorrow finding this speaker ;D
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So if i've understood this correctly the speaker isn't under this cover and more towards the passenger side seatbelt/elec sunroof area :y
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/855B6E50-F0AE-4923-82B6-4D4D9A67FC39-2611-00000188877C9AE9_zpsdc8433b2.jpg) (http://s1158.photobucket.com/user/Agemo_Legend/media/855B6E50-F0AE-4923-82B6-4D4D9A67FC39-2611-00000188877C9AE9_zpsdc8433b2.jpg.html)
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Normally around this area
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z257/belisensis/Electric_Sunroof_zps716a03ec.jpg) (http://s190.photobucket.com/user/belisensis/media/Electric_Sunroof_zps716a03ec.jpg.html)
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Thanks Rob :)
Will have a gander tomorrow...
Is there any particular way to remove the roof lining can't say I've removed one from an Omega before..
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C trim off (seatbelt bolt & couple of torx under caps). B pillar top trim off (torx behind oval cap), grab handles, then you should be able to gently prise it down enough to see where the speaker is
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C trim off (seatbelt bolt & couple of torx under caps). B pillar top trim off (torx behind oval cap), grab handles, then you should be able to gently prise it down enough to see where the speaker is
Thanks again :D
You wouldn't happen to have this part that I potentially need Rob ?
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Okay had a quick look in the boot here are my findings...
I presume the bosch fuse is for the park pilot system checked it its fine..
There also is a lose wire next to it not connected to anything ..
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(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/0A3CAE28-4FE1-4B67-B118-74F27DF8C169-3325-000001FF7C0E545A_zps0ae31584.jpg)
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/E27458CF-1880-4BF7-AFC1-87A850115463-3325-000001FF84B2E2B4_zpsa3d0aff5.jpg)
(http://i1158.photobucket.com/albums/p620/Agemo_Legend/EDB6D481-87F6-4824-812A-F31813599D81-3325-000001FF8A3CDB4A_zps9a077934.jpg)
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Normally around this area
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Had a look there nothing put a square piece of black foam padding :-\
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Did look all around couldn't find anything couldn't put camera any closer.
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Have to follow the speaker cable (usually in a braided sheath) back
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Not a fuse, it`s a resistor. The "loose" black connector is for volume control. If connected to that pink plug (wire should be black/white) in pic volume is low, unconnected = high, but in your case sod all at the minute :D
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Not a fuse, it`s a resistor. The "loose" black connector is for volume control. If connected to that pink plug (wire should be black/white) in pic volume is low, unconnected = high, but in your case sod all at the minute :D
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So it's not the speaker but the wire not connected ???
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So it's not the speaker but the wire not connected
Nope. When connected volume is low.
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I give up for today can't find the bloody speaker :( ;D
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I give up for today can't find the bloody speaker :( ;D
Have you ascertained which is the speaker cable at the control box?
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Speaker cables go nowhere near that bunch, go straight from the control box up into the roof, there is a small plug that allows you to disconnect the speakers completely... cables are brown if memory serves.
The resistor is the test connection ... once you get your speakers responding, take the resistor out, then switch on and select reverse ... the tones then tell which, if any, sensors are duff.
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I give up for today can't find the bloody speaker :( ;D
Have you ascertained which is the speaker cable at the control box?
Couldn't get my head in there to see :D
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Why wasn't the speaker near the sunroof then I wonder unless its under that black foam padding which is glued to the roof :-\
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Why wasn't the speaker near the sunroof then I wonder unless its under that black foam padding which is glued to the roof :-\
Don't worry about the factory fit speaker, just fit another one.
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Why wasn't the speaker near the sunroof then I wonder unless its under that black foam padding which is glued to the roof :-\
Don't worry about the factory fit speaker, just fit another one.
Suggested that. I use a modified tweeter and it works a treat, more reliable and a lot easier to source
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Why wasn't the speaker near the sunroof then I wonder unless its under that black foam padding which is glued to the roof :-\
Don't worry about the factory fit speaker, just fit another one.
Suggested that. I use a modified tweeter and it works a treat, more reliable and a lot easier to source
Oh that's what you mean by modified tweeter, Could someone put a link up for one
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Why wasn't the speaker near the sunroof then I wonder unless its under that black foam padding which is glued to the roof :-\
Don't worry about the factory fit speaker, just fit another one.
Suggested that. I use a modified tweeter and it works a treat, more reliable and a lot easier to source
Oh that's what you mean by modified tweeter, Could someone put a link up for one
Reply #65 in this thread. Do you not read all replies or are you just selective ::) ::)
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Personally, I'd just fit any car speaker to the connections in order to see if you actually get any sound at all ... or connect a "noise" source to your existing speaker to check it out ...
Until you KNOW if the speaker is good or bad you can't use it for any form of fault finding .. it might be a perfectly good speaker and you have no power to the box, or the box is duff ..... :(
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Why wasn't the speaker near the sunroof then I wonder unless its under that black foam padding which is glued to the roof :-\
Don't worry about the factory fit speaker, just fit another one.
Suggested that. I use a modified tweeter and it works a treat, more reliable and a lot easier to source
Oh that's what you mean by modified tweeter, Could someone put a link up for one
Reply #65 in this thread. Do you not read all replies or are you just selective ::) ::)
You can lead a horse to water.....
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Why wasn't the speaker near the sunroof then I wonder unless its under that black foam padding which is glued to the roof :-\
Don't worry about the factory fit speaker, just fit another one.
Suggested that. I use a modified tweeter and it works a treat, more reliable and a lot easier to source
Oh that's what you mean by modified tweeter, Could someone put a link up for one
Reply #65 in this thread. Do you not read all replies or are you just selective ::) ::)
I did see the post I just presumed that was a way to fix it :-\ I don't normally attempt to fix issues like these.
Did try and put in reverse with the resistor and without no noise whatsoever.. Can't tell if there are any lose wires where the box is its in a awkward place to see.
Personally, I'd just fit any car speaker to the connections in order to see if you actually get any sound at all ... or connect a "noise" source to your existing speaker to check it out ...
Until you KNOW if the speaker is good or bad you can't use it for any form of fault finding .. it might be a perfectly good speaker and you have no power to the box, or the box is duff ..... :(
Any car speaker can't say I have one lying around would a PC external speaker do ?
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Is there any particular way to remove the roof lining can't say I've removed one from an Omega before..
2 minutes in the maintenance guides would have led you straight to the guide for exactly that.
As has already been implied, one wonders why one bothers :-X
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Is there any particular way to remove the roof lining can't say I've removed one from an Omega before..
2 minutes in the maintenance guides would have led you straight to the guide for exactly that.
As has already been implied, one wonders why one bothers :-X
Indeed.
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Personally, I'd just fit any car speaker to the connections in order to see if you actually get any sound at all ... or connect a "noise" source to your existing speaker to check it out ...
Until you KNOW if the speaker is good or bad you can't use it for any form of fault finding .. it might be a perfectly good speaker and you have no power to the box, or the box is duff ..... :(
Any car speaker can't say I have one lying around would a PC external speaker do ?
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Can't see why not.. all you want is sound not HiFi !! Worth a try IMHO
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Personally, I'd just fit any car speaker to the connections in order to see if you actually get any sound at all ... or connect a "noise" source to your existing speaker to check it out ...
Until you KNOW if the speaker is good or bad you can't use it for any form of fault finding .. it might be a perfectly good speaker and you have no power to the box, or the box is duff ..... :(
Any car speaker can't say I have one lying around would a PC external speaker do ?
Can't see why not.. all you want is sound not HiFi !! Worth a try IMHO
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Will have another go tomorrow to try and find any wires on the passenger side.
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Control box is up in the space behind the spare wheel, between the "skin" for want of a better description, speaker lead is quite long and the plug can be reached without taking the box out, but its only held in with 2 screws anyway ... :)
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Control box is up in the space behind the spare wheel, between the "skin" for want of a better description, speaker lead is quite long and the plug can be reached without taking the box out, but its only held in with 2 screws anyway ... :)
Aye I saw the box used the phone to take pic's of it to see it uploaded one of it on previous page #76 if that's the correct box..
Did take a few pictures of it here's some more.
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Did take the roof padding off around the sunroof area didn't see any wires or anything really apart from some black foam padding squares probably sound proofing :-\. Picture below is of the roof lining down near sunroof can't see much in picture but there was no wires visible anywhere .
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you can see the speaker wire plug there quite easily .. brown wires ... my next act would be to unplug and use a 9v battery across the speaker side and see if you can hear "clicks" as you make/break the connection ... very crude way of testing a speaker ...... :(
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you can see the speaker wire plug there quite easily .. brown wires ... my next act would be to unplug and use a 9v battery across the speaker side and see if you can hear "clicks" as you make/break the connection ... very crude way of testing a speaker ...... :(
The 2 light and dark brows wires in the 2nd / 3rd picture are the parking sensor speaker wires then.
Will try and trace the wires to the speaker hopefully tomorrow.
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you can see the speaker wire plug there quite easily .. brown wires ... my next act would be to unplug and use a 9v battery across the speaker side and see if you can hear "clicks" as you make/break the connection ... very crude way of testing a speaker ...... :(
The 2 light and dark brows wires in the 2nd / 3rd picture are the parking sensor speaker wires then.
Will try and trace the wires to the speaker hopefully tomorrow.
Any further forward with this ???
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you can see the speaker wire plug there quite easily .. brown wires ... my next act would be to unplug and use a 9v battery across the speaker side and see if you can hear "clicks" as you make/break the connection ... very crude way of testing a speaker ...... :(
The 2 light and dark brows wires in the 2nd / 3rd picture are the parking sensor speaker wires then.
Will try and trace the wires to the speaker hopefully tomorrow.
Any further forward with this ???
Haven't had time yet Rob
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Well that's it for now giving up again :P ::)
Been pulling things apart this evening trying to find this thing to no avail..
Unless I can connect a speaker in the boot i'll leave this job till a later date.
Some pics of today's waste of time spent.
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I Appreciate all the help nevertheless.
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Ah this is an X SVO vehicle by the look of that LED lamp. One of the DPG fleet?
Incidently, I may have mentioned this before..... As others may have.
"Don't bother looking for the park sensor speaker, just use another speaker and modify the loom"
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Elite Pete ownd it around late 2007.. Before that an chauffeur car.
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why not just unplug the speaker and test it from the connection you can see... removing it if it works is a tad pointless ???
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why not just unplug the speaker and test it from the connection you can see... removing it if it works is a tad pointless ???
Cant find it otherwise i would test it. Never mind for now not going to be removing the whole roof trim.
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why not just unplug the speaker and test it from the connection you can see... removing it if it works is a tad pointless ???
Cant find it otherwise i would test it. Never mind for now not going to be removing the whole roof trim.
You`ve located the speaker wires, thought it would be a simple task to trace them. :-\
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why not just unplug the speaker and test it from the connection you can see... removing it if it works is a tad pointless ???
Cant find it otherwise i would test it. Never mind for now not going to be removing the whole roof trim.
your picture shows the brown wires and the plug/socket ... just unplug and test !!!
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why not just unplug the speaker and test it from the connection you can see... removing it if it works is a tad pointless ???
Cant find it otherwise i would test it. Never mind for now not going to be removing the whole roof trim.
your picture shows the brown wires and the plug/socket ... just unplug and test !!!
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That plug ??? connect any speaker there to see if they work ?
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either connect any speaker to the ecu side, or a 9v battery to the speaker side and listen for "clicks" as you make/break the connection .. crude but simple way of testing a speaker .. if you hear a noise the speaker works and the problem is elsewhere ....
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either connect any speaker to the ecu side, or a 9v battery to the speaker side and listen for "clicks" as you make/break the connection .. crude but simple way of testing a speaker .. if you hear a noise the speaker works and the problem is elsewhere ....
I think i finally understand your plan now at last :-X sorry.
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(green text should have said or connect speaker here...)
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Ah this is an X SVO vehicle by the look of that LED lamp. One of the DPG fleet?
Incidently, I may have mentioned this before..... As others may have.
"Don't bother looking for the park sensor speaker, just use another speaker and modify the loom"
I'm interested in knowing what SVO / DPG stand for .. And I presume it's not a good thing that its one of these :-\ ..was an ex chauffeurs car and being the elite most likely not ex plod ?
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Ah this is an X SVO vehicle by the look of that LED lamp. One of the DPG fleet?
Incidently, I may have mentioned this before..... As others may have.
"Don't bother looking for the park sensor speaker, just use another speaker and modify the loom"
I'm interested in knowing what SVO / DPG stand for .. And I presume it's not a good thing that its one of these :-\ ..was an ex chauffeurs car and being the elite most likely not ex plod ?
Assume nothing...
Joffs old 3.2 Elite estate, (now in Scotland), was ex Met.
SVO=Special Vehicle Order, any none retail order, possibly MoD, exact spec could depend on original purpose.
DPG=Diplomatic Protection Group, a division of the Met, cars usually red, and usually show V6 Special on the log book.
Does the speedo have a calibration sticker on it?
The red connector blocks on the rear courtesy light are absolutely cack all to do with the park pilot.
Carefully pull that black cable that you found behind the c pillar trim, and you will find the speaker attached to the end of it. You'll need to REMOVE the trims in order to drop that side of the roof lining to be able to remove the speaker.
So as per the guide... grab handles off, passenger sunvisor off, pillar trims off, rear screen trim off. Pop the left hand side of the headlining from the body, and carefull pull it down. The speaker should then
A. Be clearly visible, and
B. Be easily removed.
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Incidently, I may have mentioned this before..... As others may have.
"Don't bother looking for the park sensor speaker, just use another speaker and modify the loom"
Rob G, Reply #7, Page 1 ::)
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Ah this is an X SVO vehicle by the look of that LED lamp. One of the DPG fleet?
Incidently, I may have mentioned this before..... As others may have.
"Don't bother looking for the park sensor speaker, just use another speaker and modify the loom"
I'm interested in knowing what SVO / DPG stand for .. And I presume it's not a good thing that its one of these :-\ ..was an ex chauffeurs car and being the elite most likely not ex plod ?
Assume nothing...
Joffs old 3.2 Elite estate, (now in Scotland), was ex Met.
SVO=Special Vehicle Order, any none retail order, possibly MoD, exact spec could depend on original purpose.
DPG=Diplomatic Protection Group, a division of the Met, cars usually red, and usually show V6 Special on the log book.
Does the speedo have a calibration sticker on it?
The red connector blocks on the rear courtesy light are absolutely cack all to do with the park pilot.
Carefully pull that black cable that you found behind the c pillar trim, and you will find the speaker attached to the end of it. You'll need to REMOVE the trims in order to drop that side of the roof lining to be able to remove the speaker.
So as per the guide... grab handles off, passenger sunvisor off, pillar trims off, rear screen trim off. Pop the left hand side of the headlining from the body, and carefull pull it down. The speaker should then
A. Be clearly visible, and
B. Be easily removed.
Speedo is like any other Omega, Seen an ex plod more finer white lines.
I'll try Entwood's suggestion 1st if no luck might try a more involving job later down the line it's not like their a necessary that must be fixed straight away just annoying they don't work.
:)
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Biggest difference with calibrated speedo is the calibration certificate number just above the trip meter.
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Biggest difference with calibrated speedo is the calibration certificate number just above the trip meter.
Ah it's definitely standard then so not ex police by looks of it. Maybe the Chauffeur company put that rear reading light in the rear then :-\
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Found a speaker off an old radio this should do :y
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Tried 2 different types of speakers nothing happens :-\
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Got it to work just joining new speaker in the boot can hear it fine from there :y
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Got it to work just joining new speaker in the boot can hear it fine from there :y
About time ;D ;D
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Got it to work just joining new speaker in the boot can hear it fine from there :y
About time ;D ;D
Sorry it took so long :-[ ;D
There is like a constant beep sound when in reverse but once you get close to an object they start beeping slowly getting faster as you get closer as they should just wondering is the constant beep if not moving and no objects in the way normal (when in reverse) or an error of some kind ?
I also believe one of the sensors aren't working middle left one but I'm happy that I've more a less fixed it :)
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Got it to work just joining new speaker in the boot can hear it fine from there :y
About time ;D ;D
Sorry it took so long :-[ ;D
There is like a constant beep sound when in reverse but once you get close to an object they start beeping slowly getting faster as you get closer as they should just wondering is the constant beep if not moving and no objects in the way normal (when in reverse) or an error of some kind ?
I also believe one of the sensors aren't working middle left one but I'm happy that I've more a less fixed it :)
:y
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Got it to work just joining new speaker in the boot can hear it fine from there :y
About time ;D ;D
Sorry it took so long :-[ ;D
There is like a constant beep sound when in reverse but once you get close to an object they start beeping slowly getting faster as you get closer as they should just wondering is the constant beep if not moving and no objects in the way normal (when in reverse) or an error of some kind ?
I also believe one of the sensors aren't working middle left one but I'm happy that I've more a less fixed it :)
:y
Thanks Rob :)
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I also believe one of the sensors aren't working middle left one
Reply #1 for self-diagnosis http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=103569.0
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Constant beep means an error ... remove the resistor plug that looks like a fuse .. the one you found earlier .. then switch on and select reverse ... count the beeps ... the number given is the faulty sensor.
As I said way back and rob has referred to .. :)
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Constant beep means an error ... remove the resistor plug that looks like a fuse .. the one you found earlier .. then switch on and select reverse ... count the beeps ... the number given is the faulty sensor.
As I said way back and rob has referred to .. :)
I know which sensor it is its the one on passenger side on the inner side closer to number plate only one that doesn't respond. But will try counting the beeps or make a video :)
Does seem to be ok like it is but would this mean I'd need a new sensor in nocturno blue 20H ?
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Constant beep means an error ... remove the resistor plug that looks like a fuse .. the one you found earlier .. then switch on and select reverse ... count the beeps ... the number given is the faulty sensor.
As I said way back and rob has referred to .. :)
I know which sensor it is its the one on passenger side on the inner side closer to number plate only one that doesn't respond. But will try counting the beeps or make a video :)
Does seem to be ok like it is but would this mean I'd need a new sensor in nocturno blue 20H ?
Bosch sensors are bloody expensive. Can be painted to suit though
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Constant beep means an error ... remove the resistor plug that looks like a fuse .. the one you found earlier .. then switch on and select reverse ... count the beeps ... the number given is the faulty sensor.
As I said way back and rob has referred to .. :)
I know which sensor it is its the one on passenger side on the inner side closer to number plate only one that doesn't respond. But will try counting the beeps or make a video :)
Does seem to be ok like it is but would this mean I'd need a new sensor in nocturno blue 20H ?
Bosch sensors are bloody expensive. Can be painted to suit though
A used one that works would do ?
I'll make a quick video now..
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Constant beep means an error ... remove the resistor plug that looks like a fuse .. the one you found earlier .. then switch on and select reverse ... count the beeps ... the number given is the faulty sensor.
As I said way back and rob has referred to .. :)
I know which sensor it is its the one on passenger side on the inner side closer to number plate only one that doesn't respond. But will try counting the beeps or make a video :)
Does seem to be ok like it is but would this mean I'd need a new sensor in nocturno blue 20H ?
Bosch sensors are bloody expensive. Can be painted to suit though
A used one that works would do ?
I'll make a quick video now..
Here's a video with and without fuse..
It's a boring video so amuse your selfs ;D
http://youtu.be/7u_SR6723b0
The beeping wasn't stopping without the fuse so cut the video short.
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It's like the Twilight Saga this parking sensor thread :D ;D
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Did anyone get a chance to check the video :-\
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u_SR6723b0&feature=youtu.be
Reversed up the drive earlier on when close to the wall they where beeping :D
But once everything was clear there was a constant beep 100% sure nothing in the way ?
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I've had to disconnect the parking sensors they have been more of a pain than their worth especially when their playing up,
All I get when I put it in reverse (either in an open space or in a close parking position) is a constant annoying beep and they only come on sometimes when they feel like it beeping like they should so i can't really trust it as it is. Would replacing the dead bumper sensor cure this ???
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Mine didn't see a bloody great yellow Armco & neither did I :-X (not a word Chris! ::) ;D ;D)
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Mine didn't see a bloody great yellow Armco & neither did I :-X (not a word Chris! ::) ;D ;D)
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The Merc R320 :o Sorry to hear that Andy, Looks like most of it should buff out :-\
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The Merc R320 :o Sorry to hear that Andy, Looks like most of it should buff out :-\
Unfortunately the gouges won't buff out. :(