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Title: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 28 June 2013, 21:17:29
not sure if environmentle discussions are allowed, admin, feel free to delete.  I don't want to start an argument which from memory, there used to be.....

but

Just watched The One Show from Glastonbury and the man from Greenpeace explained that used cooking oil and waste wood was powering the site........

thats ok then... ( but a load of swollocks )

The energy used to create the real snow wasnt being wasted in any way whatsoever, was it?, even if it was from a renewable source.

it really gets my goat ...
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: albitz on 28 June 2013, 21:20:26
you mean Glastoncorporate ? :)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 June 2013, 21:29:22
Try your local MP.

What do you expect to achieve by moaning on here about it? ...serious question. :)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 28 June 2013, 21:41:10
Interesting answer  ???  serious reply

a debate

an opportunity to highlight the ridiculous that might otherwise be accepted as reality

sorry, i'll shut up

Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 28 June 2013, 21:44:08
No don't shut up, you've every right to start a discussion on here about what ever you like!  ::)

It's called general discussion for a reason!!  :y
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 28 June 2013, 21:49:59
Thank you, and, thats the very reason that this forum was created ( now that is going back a bit )

Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Jusme on 28 June 2013, 21:52:54
+1.... :y At least you are not just wittering on about anything at all just to increase your postcount...
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 28 June 2013, 21:56:59
So back on topic....  ::)

I wonder what the CO2 emissions of Glastonbury are?   :-\ 

I bet it's colossal when you consider all the generators, beer and falafel farts and hot air spouted by the commentators.....  :D  ;D

Right on Maan!!  8)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 June 2013, 21:58:48
Interesting answer  ???  serious reply

a debate

an opportunity to highlight the ridiculous that might otherwise be accepted as reality

sorry, i'll shut up


Shut if you wish, or continue if you wish. Whatever makes you >HAPPY< :y
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 June 2013, 22:02:20
+1.... :y At least you are not just wittering on about anything at all just to increase your postcount...
Witter and waffle all you like, but ffs cheer up, misery guts.  :P
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 June 2013, 22:03:32
So back on topic....  ::)

I wonder what the CO2 emissions of Glastonbury are?   :-\ 

I bet it's colossal when you consider all the generators, beer and falafel farts and hot air spouted by the commentators.....  :D  ;D

Right on Maan!!  8)
;D sprouts? No way :D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 28 June 2013, 22:09:19
Thank you, and, thats the very reason that this forum was created ( now that is going back a bit )

Ah, yes Mike, the old times when we could happily discuss anything. These days we're not allowed to air any opinions on our government or society for fear of upsetting the non-political. ::) ::)

On topic, though, that wretched Greenpeace banner across the front of the stage makes me want to switch off straightaway. You're quite right to point out the hypocrisy, though. The message they give out is that it's OK to waste energy as long as it's "renewable". ::)

Cobblers. ;)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 28 June 2013, 22:11:25
I'd quite like to go to Glastonbury one day, but I don't think I've got the energy!!!  :-\  ;D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 28 June 2013, 22:12:11
Thank you, and, thats the very reason that this forum was created ( now that is going back a bit )

Ah, yes Mike, the old times when we could happily discuss anything. These days we're not allowed to air any opinions on our government or society for fear of upsetting the non-political. ::) ::)

On topic, though, that wretched Greenpeace banner across the front of the stage makes me want to switch off straightaway. You're quite right to point out the hypocrisy, though. The message they give out is that it's OK to waste energy as long as it's "renewable". ::)

Cobblers. ;)
:y
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 June 2013, 22:12:57
Thank you, and, thats the very reason that this forum was created ( now that is going back a bit )

Ah, yes Mike, the old times when we could happily discuss anything. These days we're not allowed to air any opinions on our government or society for fear of upsetting the non-political. ::) ::)

On topic, though, that wretched Greenpeace banner across the front of the stage makes me want to switch off straightaway. You're quite right to point out the hypocrisy, though. The message they give out is that it's OK to waste energy as long as it's "renewable". ::)

Cobblers. ;)

Really? If only.
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 28 June 2013, 22:17:40
So back on topic....  ::)

I wonder what the CO2 emissions of Glastonbury are?   :-\ 

I bet it's colossal when you consider all the generators, beer and falafel farts and hot air spouted by the commentators.....  :D  ;D

Right on Maan!!  8)

Strangely enough, there isn't much info available relating to this.  I would estimate through, that electricity consumption alone, it must be in the hundreds of MWs
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 28 June 2013, 22:21:33
Mike,
On the subject of energy and, specifically fracking, I found this interesting:

Fracking with Marmite. ;) ;D ;D

http://www.nohotair.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3021:you-ll-love-or-hate-this-fracking-additive&catid=203&Itemid=417 (http://www.nohotair.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3021:you-ll-love-or-hate-this-fracking-additive&catid=203&Itemid=417)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 28 June 2013, 22:22:26
Thank you, and, thats the very reason that this forum was created ( now that is going back a bit )

Ah, yes Mike, the old times when we could happily discuss anything. These days we're not allowed to air any opinions on our government or society for fear of upsetting the non-political. ::) ::)

On topic, though, that wretched Greenpeace banner across the front of the stage makes me want to switch off straightaway. You're quite right to point out the hypocrisy, though. The message they give out is that it's OK to waste energy as long as it's "renewable". ::)

Cobblers. ;)

Really? If only.
Were you a member in a different name back in 2006?
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 28 June 2013, 22:22:38
Thank you, and, thats the very reason that this forum was created ( now that is going back a bit )

Ah, yes Mike, the old times when we could happily discuss anything. These days we're not allowed to air any opinions on our government or society for fear of upsetting the non-political. ::) ::)

On topic, though, that wretched Greenpeace banner across the front of the stage makes me want to switch off straightaway. You're quite right to point out the hypocrisy, though. The message they give out is that it's OK to waste energy as long as it's "renewable". ::)

Cobblers. ;)

Really? If only.

Before your time, Mr Gixer. I was here just after the forum opened.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 28 June 2013, 22:29:11
Mike,
On the subject of energy and, specifically fracking, I found this interesting:

Fracking with Marmite. ;) ;D ;D

http://www.nohotair.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3021:you-ll-love-or-hate-this-fracking-additive&catid=203&Itemid=417 (http://www.nohotair.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3021:you-ll-love-or-hate-this-fracking-additive&catid=203&Itemid=417)
lol good read

wind turbines

Birdwatchers flock to see rare bird, then watch it killed by a wind turbine

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/28/birdwatchers-flock-to-see-rare-bird-then-watch-it-killed-by-wind-turbine/#ixzz2XY4n1lbD
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 June 2013, 22:36:19
FYI, for those that have been away, hadn't noticed, or are trying to drag the place down.... For a few months after Xmas, this section was the most utterly miserable place imaginable, full of whinge and moan threads like this. The lack of humour, on subjects such as this, and hence infecting others had completely vanished.

If admin input is to be believed, and I do believe it rightly or wrongly, then the place was not far of closure completely as a result.


...anyway, lets hope we can get back to the humour and light hearted ways of old, as you so rightly elude to . :y
(The topic as such wont matter a toss then I guess?)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 June 2013, 22:37:46
Thank you, and, thats the very reason that this forum was created ( now that is going back a bit )

Ah, yes Mike, the old times when we could happily discuss anything. These days we're not allowed to air any opinions on our government or society for fear of upsetting the non-political. ::) ::)

On topic, though, that wretched Greenpeace banner across the front of the stage makes me want to switch off straightaway. You're quite right to point out the hypocrisy, though. The message they give out is that it's OK to waste energy as long as it's "renewable". ::)

Cobblers. ;)

Really? If only.

Before your time, Mr Gixer. I was here just after the forum opened.  ;) ;)
And? ;D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 28 June 2013, 22:40:40
FYI, for those that have been away, hadn't noticed, or are trying to drag the place down.... For a few months after Xmas, this section was the most utterly miserable place imaginable, full of whinge and moan threads like this. The lack of humour, on subjects such as this, and hence infecting others had completely vanished.

If admin input is to be believed, and I do believe it rightly or wrongly, then the place was not far of closure completely as a result.


...anyway, lets hope we can get back to the humour and light hearted ways of old, as you so rightly elude to . :y
(The topic as such wont matter a toss then I guess?)
OK ???
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 28 June 2013, 22:41:10
hey, that got me another post :y
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 28 June 2013, 22:41:42
wait a minute, so did that  :o
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 June 2013, 22:42:10
FYI, for those that have been away, hadn't noticed, or are trying to drag the place down.... For a few months after Xmas, this section was the most utterly miserable place imaginable, full of whinge and moan threads like this. The lack of humour, on subjects such as this, and hence infecting others had completely vanished.

If admin input is to be believed, and I do believe it rightly or wrongly, then the place was not far of closure completely as a result.


...anyway, lets hope we can get back to the humour and light hearted ways of old, as you so rightly elude to . :y
(The topic as such wont matter a toss then I guess?)
OK ???
Apologies, went off on one there.

I'll shut up now. ;) ;D :y
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 28 June 2013, 22:43:20
at this rate, my post count is going to go through the roof.  285 since 2006 and however many in the last hour......
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 28 June 2013, 22:44:10
FYI, for those that have been away, hadn't noticed, or are trying to drag the place down.... For a few months after Xmas, this section was the most utterly miserable place imaginable, full of whinge and moan threads like this. The lack of humour, on subjects such as this, and hence infecting others had completely vanished.

If admin input is to be believed, and I do believe it rightly or wrongly, then the place was not far of closure completely as a result.


...anyway, lets hope we can get back to the humour and light hearted ways of old, as you so rightly elude to . :y
(The topic as such wont matter a toss then I guess?)

In your opinion. ::) ::)

Your view is that this should only be for laughs and that serious subjects should not be discussed.

I don't share that view. It should be a reasonable mixture of the light-hearted and serious.

Calling this thread full of "whinge and moan" is insulting to Miked who, before your time, organised a trip round a power station for OOf members.

If you don't like a thread, don't read it.  >:(
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 June 2013, 22:45:29
FYI, for those that have been away, hadn't noticed, or are trying to drag the place down.... For a few months after Xmas, this section was the most utterly miserable place imaginable, full of whinge and moan threads like this. The lack of humour, on subjects such as this, and hence infecting others had completely vanished.

If admin input is to be believed, and I do believe it rightly or wrongly, then the place was not far of closure completely as a result.


...anyway, lets hope we can get back to the humour and light hearted ways of old, as you so rightly elude to . :y
(The topic as such wont matter a toss then I guess?)

In your opinion. ::) ::)

Your view is that this should only be for laughs and that serious subjects should not be discussed.

I don't share that view. It should be a reasonable mixture of the light-hearted and serious.

Calling this thread full of "whinge and moan" is insulting to Miked who, before your time, organised a trip round a power station for OOf members.

If you don't like a thread, don't read it.  >:(
See !
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 28 June 2013, 22:46:28
FYI, for those that have been away, hadn't noticed, or are trying to drag the place down.... For a few months after Xmas, this section was the most utterly miserable place imaginable, full of whinge and moan threads like this. The lack of humour, on subjects such as this, and hence infecting others had completely vanished.

If admin input is to be believed, and I do believe it rightly or wrongly, then the place was not far of closure completely as a result.


...anyway, lets hope we can get back to the humour and light hearted ways of old, as you so rightly elude to . :y
(The topic as such wont matter a toss then I guess?)

In your opinion. ::) ::)

Your view is that this should only be for laughs and that serious subjects should not be discussed.

I don't share that view. It should be a reasonable mixture of the light-hearted and serious.

Calling this thread full of "whinge and moan" is insulting to Miked who, before your time, organised a trip round a power station for OOf members.

If you don't like a thread, don't read it.  >:(
See !
theres another lol, they are like busses ....
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Vamps on 28 June 2013, 22:46:31
Pull up a chair, can someone pass the popcorn?.............. ::) ::)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 June 2013, 22:47:23
at this rate, my post count is going to go through the roof.  285 since 2006 and however many in the last hour......
Can I interst you in a magic tree avatar btw.

Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 28 June 2013, 22:48:48
Mike,
On the subject of energy and, specifically fracking, I found this interesting:

Fracking with Marmite. ;) ;D ;D

http://www.nohotair.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3021:you-ll-love-or-hate-this-fracking-additive&catid=203&Itemid=417 (http://www.nohotair.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3021:you-ll-love-or-hate-this-fracking-additive&catid=203&Itemid=417)
lol good read

wind turbines

Birdwatchers flock to see rare bird, then watch it killed by a wind turbine

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/28/birdwatchers-flock-to-see-rare-bird-then-watch-it-killed-by-wind-turbine/#ixzz2XY4n1lbD

Unbelievable, Mike. This wind turbine mania has a lot to answer for.  >:( >:(
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 June 2013, 22:51:53
Pull up a chair, can someone pass the popcorn?.............. ::) ::)
(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-basic/popcorn.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 28 June 2013, 22:52:06
Calling this thread full of "whinge and moan" is insulting to Miked who, before your time, organised a trip round a power station for OOf members.
:y

By the way, I'm still working there.  If there is an interest, you could all ( well most ) of you have another look round.  Its changed somewhat and is a bit of a building site at the moment.
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: SIR Philbutt on 28 June 2013, 22:54:56

I have just checked (again) the forum guidelines. Last updated 2008

To Quote

"General Posting
Keep posts relevant, short, and on topic, especially on Help threads, and meeting organisation threads.  General Chat is the only area where we expect things will go off at a tangent!"


So I cannot see any reason for being apologetic about this thread topic until this is specific about what is and is not to be censored allowed.

Hmmmmm let me think  ??? Newbies can post what they like until someone tells them about what is not specified as allowed. Perhaps I need an alias account as well  :-\ ::)

And all this Glastonbury being green b locks is just the broadcaster ensuring it meets it's quota on ensuring government policy is seen to be goooood  ::)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 28 June 2013, 23:10:48
Calling this thread full of "whinge and moan" is insulting to Miked who, before your time, organised a trip round a power station for OOf members.
:y

By the way, I'm still working there.  If there is an interest, you could all ( well most ) of you have another look round.  Its changed somewhat and is a bit of a building site at the moment.

 ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 June 2013, 23:13:37
Calling this thread full of "whinge and moan" is insulting to Miked who, before your time, organised a trip round a power station for OOf members.
:y

By the way, I'm still working there.  If there is an interest, you could all ( well most ) of you have another look round.  Its changed somewhat and is a bit of a building site at the moment.

 ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Wahaay, somebody cheered Nicbat up. :y ;D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 28 June 2013, 23:17:52
Calling this thread full of "whinge and moan" is insulting to Miked who, before your time, organised a trip round a power station for OOf members.
:y

By the way, I'm still working there.  If there is an interest, you could all ( well most ) of you have another look round.  Its changed somewhat and is a bit of a building site at the moment.

 ;) ;) ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Wahaay, somebody cheered Nicbat up. :y ;D
theres another, yay...
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Jusme on 28 June 2013, 23:18:10
Witter and waffle all you like, but ffs cheer up, misery guts. Some people do not need to become a 'legend in their own......mind'. But I suppose posting 332 posts in 22 days would NOT involve any 'witter or waffle'...  :-\
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 28 June 2013, 23:23:32
Mike,
On the subject of energy and, specifically fracking, I found this interesting:

Fracking with Marmite. ;) ;D ;D

http://www.nohotair.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3021:you-ll-love-or-hate-this-fracking-additive&catid=203&Itemid=417 (http://www.nohotair.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3021:you-ll-love-or-hate-this-fracking-additive&catid=203&Itemid=417)
lol good read

wind turbines

Birdwatchers flock to see rare bird, then watch it killed by a wind turbine

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/28/birdwatchers-flock-to-see-rare-bird-then-watch-it-killed-by-wind-turbine/#ixzz2XY4n1lbD

Unbelievable, Mike. This wind turbine mania has a lot to answer for.  >:( >:(
(Reuters) - Britain's risk of electricity blackouts by 2015 is more serious than previously thought, regulator Ofgem warned on Thursday.

The country's spare electricity supply margin could fall as low as 2 percent in 2015/16, down from around 14 percent currently.

Last year Ofgem gave an estimate of 4 percent.


couple that with non thermal renewables coming online, we all need to start sourcing some reasonable gen sets.  Has anyone got any recomendations???
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 June 2013, 23:25:00
Witter and waffle all you like, but ffs cheer up, misery guts. Some people do not need to become a 'legend in their own......mind'. But I suppose posting 332 posts in 22 days would NOT involve any 'witter or waffle'...  :-\
24,000 in 4(?) years ? Yeah loads. ;)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 28 June 2013, 23:29:15
Mike,
On the subject of energy and, specifically fracking, I found this interesting:

Fracking with Marmite. ;) ;D ;D

http://www.nohotair.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3021:you-ll-love-or-hate-this-fracking-additive&catid=203&Itemid=417 (http://www.nohotair.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3021:you-ll-love-or-hate-this-fracking-additive&catid=203&Itemid=417)
lol good read

wind turbines

Birdwatchers flock to see rare bird, then watch it killed by a wind turbine

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/28/birdwatchers-flock-to-see-rare-bird-then-watch-it-killed-by-wind-turbine/#ixzz2XY4n1lbD

Unbelievable, Mike. This wind turbine mania has a lot to answer for.  >:( >:(
(Reuters) - Britain's risk of electricity blackouts by 2015 is more serious than previously thought, regulator Ofgem warned on Thursday.

The country's spare electricity supply margin could fall as low as 2 percent in 2015/16, down from around 14 percent currently.

Last year Ofgem gave an estimate of 4 percent.


couple that with non thermal renewables coming online, we all need to start sourcing some reasonable gen sets.  Has anyone got any recomendations???

Michael Fallon: "I can assure you, the lights are not going to go out"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23093581 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23093581)

It's like "Read my lips, no more taxes".  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: SIR Philbutt on 28 June 2013, 23:32:33
Mike,
On the subject of energy and, specifically fracking, I found this interesting:

Fracking with Marmite. ;) ;D ;D

http://www.nohotair.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3021:you-ll-love-or-hate-this-fracking-additive&catid=203&Itemid=417 (http://www.nohotair.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3021:you-ll-love-or-hate-this-fracking-additive&catid=203&Itemid=417)
lol good read

wind turbines

Birdwatchers flock to see rare bird, then watch it killed by a wind turbine

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/28/birdwatchers-flock-to-see-rare-bird-then-watch-it-killed-by-wind-turbine/#ixzz2XY4n1lbD

Unbelievable, Mike. This wind turbine mania has a lot to answer for.  >:( >:(
(Reuters) - Britain's risk of electricity blackouts by 2015 is more serious than previously thought, regulator Ofgem warned on Thursday.

The country's spare electricity supply margin could fall as low as 2 percent in 2015/16, down from around 14 percent currently.

Last year Ofgem gave an estimate of 4 percent.


couple that with non thermal renewables coming online, we all need to start sourcing some reasonable gen sets.  Has anyone got any recomendations???

Good place to start Machine Mart (http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/categories/search/generators) Also saw a 3KVA Petrol at Costco  for £390, good price. Dont forget to save your/get old car batteries so you can wire up for 12v. Any other "prepper" advice you will have to PM me  ;) ;) ;D ;D  :-X
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Kevin Wood on 28 June 2013, 23:35:40
Michael Fallon: "I can assure you, the lights are not going to go out"

Says a career politician educated in Classics and Ancient history. What do the engineers know, after all? ::)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 28 June 2013, 23:36:40
Michael Fallon: "I can assure you, the lights are not going to go out"

Says a career politician educated in Classics and Ancient history. What do the engineers know, after all? ::)

Spot on Kev!  ;) ;D ;D :y
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: SIR Philbutt on 28 June 2013, 23:38:47
Michael Fallon: "I can assure you, the lights are not going to go out"

Says a career politician educated in Classics and Ancient history. What do the engineers know, after all? ::)

Thing is that most will actually believe him and think everything will be alright - until the lights go out  ::)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: albitz on 28 June 2013, 23:39:12
Thank you, and, thats the very reason that this forum was created ( now that is going back a bit )

Ah, yes Mike, the old times when we could happily discuss anything. These days we're not allowed to air any opinions on our government or society for fear of upsetting the non-political. ::) ::)

On topic, though, that wretched Greenpeace banner across the front of the stage makes me want to switch off straightaway. You're quite right to point out the hypocrisy, though. The message they give out is that it's OK to waste energy as long as it's "renewable". ::)

Cobblers. ;)

Like this example ?...........how times/attitudes/atmosphere have changed in the interim.

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=35681.0

From what Ive read recently and heard on the radio today,it seems that some kind of power restrictions will happen in the next three or four years unless something drastic happens.How the hell will we ever be an internationally competitive country again when we are hamstrung by this type of thing ?
Of course we know where this all came from,but that's gong back to the elephant in the room. ;)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Vamps on 28 June 2013, 23:39:16
So, how long does it take to 'fire up' a mothballed power station? surely it can't be 'very' mothballed if is has to say in a state of readiness....... :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: albitz on 28 June 2013, 23:43:27
Im pretty sure it would be illegal to fire them up again Mike. ;)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 28 June 2013, 23:48:01
Thank you, and, thats the very reason that this forum was created ( now that is going back a bit )

Ah, yes Mike, the old times when we could happily discuss anything. These days we're not allowed to air any opinions on our government or society for fear of upsetting the non-political. ::) ::)

On topic, though, that wretched Greenpeace banner across the front of the stage makes me want to switch off straightaway. You're quite right to point out the hypocrisy, though. The message they give out is that it's OK to waste energy as long as it's "renewable". ::)

Cobblers. ;)

Like this example ?...........how times/attitudes.atmosphere have changed in the interim.

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=35681.0

Good spot, Albitz!

The good old days, when we could post such threads in the knowledge that we would have incisive, witty, intellectual, apposite, contradictory (and sarcastic) responses.

These days, we get the "Don't post whingeing threads response".

Ho hum.

Tempora mutantur
.

 ;)  ;D ;D   
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 28 June 2013, 23:49:26
Im pretty sure it would be illegal to fire them up again Mike. ;)

Only against EU laws. ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: albitz on 28 June 2013, 23:50:18
Ah,that elephant in the room I mentioned. ::)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 28 June 2013, 23:50:39
Yeah, took a while to find, and the humour input came from elsewhere ;D

All for Nuclear me.
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Vamps on 29 June 2013, 00:45:41
Watching it now, looks like a lot of energy being used to me, I do hope it is balancing its carbon footprint - there is no way all that energy is being provided by some wood and old cooking oil; surely, if they can do that then why have we a problem?...... ;) ;)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: SIR Philbutt on 29 June 2013, 00:54:53
What ever happened about that guy who was building some kind of efficient hydrogen power generators in what looked like a container. Thought I had a link but cant find it.  :-[
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 29 June 2013, 01:02:15
He was probably snuffed out by Big oil/gas/Russians/Saudis/Qataris/Texans....  :-\  Take your pick...  ::)

Just thought I'd add a little conspiracy into the mix...  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: SIR Philbutt on 29 June 2013, 01:14:15
He was probably snuffed out by Big oil/gas/Russians/Saudis/Qataris/Texans....  :-\  Take your pick...  ::)

Just thought I'd add a little conspiracy into the mix...  ;)  ;D

I guessed the same - and I think they removed my link as well  :D :D :D ;)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: cnj on 29 June 2013, 07:32:57
the guy building/playing with the hydrogen was probably taken out by hmrc for not paying enough taxes. anyway for a renewable source of energy, how about trying to tap all the excess energy that comes from school playgrounds, also if they put turbines in Westminster, just think of all the hot air that would create enough electricity to at least bolster the national grid !!
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: bigboykarl on 29 June 2013, 09:05:08
the guy building/playing with the hydrogen was probably taken out by hmrc for not paying enough taxes. anyway for a renewable source of energy, how about trying to tap all the excess energy that comes from school playgrounds, also if they put turbines in Westminster, just think of all the hot air that would create enough electricity to at least bolster the national grid !!

well thats rubbish because everybody knows if you own a power company you can make £1.7 billion and pay no tax
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: bigboykarl on 29 June 2013, 09:07:28
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10147138/Utility-companies-avoiding-1-billion-of-tax-a-year-as-households-struggle-says-Tory-MP.html

forgot the link.... :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

keep your stories coming nickbat because i love them...mainstream media doesn't touch what you post and imformation is power
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 29 June 2013, 09:59:02
Mike,
On the subject of energy and, specifically fracking, I found this interesting:

Fracking with Marmite. ;) ;D ;D

http://www.nohotair.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3021:you-ll-love-or-hate-this-fracking-additive&catid=203&Itemid=417 (http://www.nohotair.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3021:you-ll-love-or-hate-this-fracking-additive&catid=203&Itemid=417)
lol good read

wind turbines

Birdwatchers flock to see rare bird, then watch it killed by a wind turbine

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/28/birdwatchers-flock-to-see-rare-bird-then-watch-it-killed-by-wind-turbine/#ixzz2XY4n1lbD

Unbelievable, Mike. This wind turbine mania has a lot to answer for.  >:( >:(
(Reuters) - Britain's risk of electricity blackouts by 2015 is more serious than previously thought, regulator Ofgem warned on Thursday.

The country's spare electricity supply margin could fall as low as 2 percent in 2015/16, down from around 14 percent currently.

Last year Ofgem gave an estimate of 4 percent.


couple that with non thermal renewables coming online, we all need to start sourcing some reasonable gen sets.  Has anyone got any recomendations???

Michael Fallon: "I can assure you, the lights are not going to go out"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23093581 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23093581)

It's like "Read my lips, no more taxes".  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D It would be funny if it wasn't so worrying
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 29 June 2013, 09:59:54
Michael Fallon: "I can assure you, the lights are not going to go out"

Says a career politician educated in Classics and Ancient history. What do the engineers know, after all? ::)

Spot on Kev!  ;) ;D ;D :y
:y
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 29 June 2013, 10:00:09
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10147138/Utility-companies-avoiding-1-billion-of-tax-a-year-as-households-struggle-says-Tory-MP.html

forgot the link.... :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

keep your stories coming nickbat because i love them...mainstream media doesn't touch what you post and imformation is power
:y
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 29 June 2013, 10:04:47

keep your stories coming nickbat because i love them...mainstream media doesn't touch what you post and imformation is power


+1  :y :y :y
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: TheBoy on 29 June 2013, 10:43:38
No (legal) discussion is discouraged here.

However, a small minority jump on certain threads to push their own political agendas, and god forbid if you disagree with them. General chat became a place where only a few dared venture, and only if they supported certain popularist views (as if you didn't, you'd be made to feel unwelcome). Fortunately, we have begun to pull away from that, and sanity has started to return.

We are NOT a media outlet for UKIP, or any other party, despite what some seem to believe.

So, we welcome serious debate, try to keep the political views out, and certainly trying to ram your own political views down other people's necks will not be tolerated.

Hope that makes sense, and clarifies.
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: SIR Philbutt on 29 June 2013, 12:08:26
Thanks for that TB and certainly does clarify the forum's position.

May I again suggest that this is inserted into the guidelines for more global viewing and not just those that get this far down this particular thread. This would benefit newbies and those that like to make sure we all follow the forum rules and guides.  :y

This position is completely understandable and will be supported by all , BUT, (and there is always one) as is always quite vigorously pointed out on here mainstream broadcasters and media have their own agenda's and policy with regard to missinforming the public on most matters. Where do you go to get the none mainstream opinion, that in a lot of cases was here  :o :o :o

I personally have found it interesting and informative to read and contribute to a good cross section, sometimes controversial, of views and positions on what is going on out there and believe it did contribute the the overall "spirit of OOF" in some way and hope that this does not dilute that to much.

Love the fun stuff as well, as you know

Phil

 :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X from now on - on this subject  ;)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 29 June 2013, 12:51:03
Thanks for that TB and certainly does clarify the forum's position.

May I again suggest that this is inserted into the guidelines for more global viewing and not just those that get this far down this particular thread. This would benefit newbies and those that like to make sure we all follow the forum rules and guides.  :y

This position is completely understandable and will be supported by all , BUT, (and there is always one) as is always quite vigorously pointed out on here mainstream broadcasters and media have their own agenda's and policy with regard to missinforming the public on most matters. Where do you go to get the none mainstream opinion, that in a lot of cases was here  :o :o :o

I personally have found it interesting and informative to read and contribute to a good cross section, sometimes controversial, of views and positions on what is going on out there and believe it did contribute the the overall "spirit of OOF" in some way and hope that this does not dilute that to much.

Love the fun stuff as well, as you know

Phil

 :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X from now on - on this subject  ;)
Check the gen chat board in the few months after Xmas. The post dates at various points continually covered 3 days in places. I've never seen that before on Oof.

Almost always by late evening the board was full of post from that day, and often covered half page 2 as well.

The spirit of Oof clearly suffered during that period. The place was dead.
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Rods2 on 29 June 2013, 16:51:23
Humans cannot survive without sufficient energy. The expansion of our brains and the energy they need (well some of us anyway  ::) ) means that we evolved to need to breakdown food quickly to supply enough energy, particularly in colder climates. We must cook food to survive as a species we cannot survive on raw food.

Where we need less energy and food in the summer we can eat a bigger percentage of raw stuff like fruit and salad, but in the winter we need more energy rich stuff like beef stew and dumplings, curries and pies.  :y :y :y

Cold weather is bad for most animals with higher mortality rates, which includes humans with at least 20,000 more deaths per month during the winter than the summer in the UK. If you want to live longer retire to somewhere hot or spend the winter months in a hot climate.  :y :y :y For humans hot weather like where we evolved in Africa good, cold weather bad.

So we need to make sure we avoid another ice age by heating the planet up as much as possible. An ice age will predominantly affect the northern hemisphere and destroy our civilization.  :( This is a basic civil duty for all of us.  ;)

All societies need cheap energy and lots of it to survive. We cannot grow and produce food without energy for farm machinery, fertilisers, pesticides and distribution. All other functions in society are dependent upon lots of cheap energy.  ;)

The UK used to be a mainly wooded country, but us humans put paid to that where we need the wood for our cooking fires and when the wood ran out we found coal was a good substitute and town gas from coal as an easily distributed energy source.  :y :y :y That 18th century novelty electricity has proven to be an even better cheaper form of energy distribution. We also found a great easily moved high-density form of energy, yes oil. Even better we found a better use for nuclear technology than blowing each other up by using it to generate cheap electricity. And the world was good, transport was good, gas-guzzling 3.0l Miggys were good and everybody was happy.  :) :) :) :) :y :y :y Well not quite. Anarchists, were fed up with knitting yogurt, and hugging trees now what could they do to win power and control everybody. Humans have four fundamental needs: Water hmmmmmm, no the plebs can collect it when it falls out of the sky, but we can restrict it, make monopoly suppliers, who will restrict supplies and make very expensive and outrageously profitable, food, hmmmmmm, they can grow that on any land they own, Shelter, hmmmmmmm well we already have planning laws to make it as difficult and expensive as possible to own any of that. Energy, hmmmmmmm, got it everybody needs that and they can't produce it themselves. Evil plan is hatched. :( :( :( :(

Produce scare stories, that many sheeple will believe, restrict it, tax it and make people guilty if they use any of it. This is why we are, where we are, with energy policy today.  :( :( :(

It is all about control, control of me, you and your families. Politicians have not been slow to jump on the bandwagon and make films, scare stories and very profitable subsidized business for themselves and their families. Yeo, Lord Denham, Cameron, Clegg, failed US presidential candidates and many others are all benefitting at our expense. So, don't play their games and dance to their propaganda and tunes.  :y

The world has plenty of resources and sources of energy to last us thousands of years, as one runs out we will develop the next viable technology for more cheap energy and move on to the next, we must to survive.  :y :y :y :y Once you understand all of this, you will be a much happier person, by enjoying life and ignoring the evil controlling anarchists ;) :y :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 29 June 2013, 17:01:38
All prety obvious really (well, to some of us) ::)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 29 June 2013, 19:23:47
I had a pretty major operation a couple of years ago and in the couple of days that followed I was 'away with the fairies'....  ::)

Anyway during this time I had a 'vision' that basically showed me the solution to the world energy crisis!!  :o  :y  It was blindingly simple and meant that everyone could produce their own energy cheaply and independently in their back yard and there would be no need for big energy companies as their services would be redundant!  :y  It was an epiphany!!!  8)

Unfortunately when I came round I couldn't remember a damn thing!!!  :-[  :'(  Morphine is wonderful stuff though....  ;D  :y
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: miked on 29 June 2013, 20:49:10
The world has plenty of resources and sources of energy to last us thousands of years, as one runs out we will develop the next viable technology for more cheap energy and move on to the next, we must to survive.  :y :y :y :y Once you understand all of this, you will be a much happier person, by enjoying life and ignoring the evil controlling anarchists ;) :y :) :) :) :)

This may well be the case but taking a shorter term engineers view, buy a generator...
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Rods2 on 29 June 2013, 21:50:25
The world has plenty of resources and sources of energy to last us thousands of years, as one runs out we will develop the next viable technology for more cheap energy and move on to the next, we must to survive.  :y :y :y :y Once you understand all of this, you will be a much happier person, by enjoying life and ignoring the evil controlling anarchists ;) :y :) :) :) :)

This may well be the case but taking a shorter term engineers view, buy a generator...

I'm in the process of moving to the Ukraine 50% of their electricity is generated using nuclear power. The rest by coal, gas and hydro.  :y :y :y If I was staying in the UK then I would get a 5kw generator. I may get one in the Ukraine, where power cuts are more common in bad weather than in the UK.
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Shackeng on 29 June 2013, 22:08:22
Humans cannot survive without sufficient energy. The expansion of our brains and the energy they need (well some of us anyway  ::) ) means that we evolved to need to breakdown food quickly to supply enough energy, particularly in colder climates. We must cook food to survive as a species we cannot survive on raw food.

Where we need less energy and food in the summer we can eat a bigger percentage of raw stuff like fruit and salad, but in the winter we need more energy rich stuff like beef stew and dumplings, curries and pies.  :y :y :y

Cold weather is bad for most animals with higher mortality rates, which includes humans with at least 20,000 more deaths per month during the winter than the summer in the UK. If you want to live longer retire to somewhere hot or spend the winter months in a hot climate.  :y :y :y For humans hot weather like where we evolved in Africa good, cold weather bad.

So we need to make sure we avoid another ice age by heating the planet up as much as possible. An ice age will predominantly affect the northern hemisphere and destroy our civilization.  :( This is a basic civil duty for all of us.  ;)

All societies need cheap energy and lots of it to survive. We cannot grow and produce food without energy for farm machinery, fertilisers, pesticides and distribution. All other functions in society are dependent upon lots of cheap energy.  ;)

The UK used to be a mainly wooded country, but us humans put paid to that where we need the wood for our cooking fires and when the wood ran out we found coal was a good substitute and town gas from coal as an easily distributed energy source.  :y :y :y That 18th century novelty electricity has proven to be an even better cheaper form of energy distribution. We also found a great easily moved high-density form of energy, yes oil. Even better we found a better use for nuclear technology than blowing each other up by using it to generate cheap electricity. And the world was good, transport was good, gas-guzzling 3.0l Miggys were good and everybody was happy.  :) :) :) :) :y :y :y Well not quite. Anarchists, were fed up with knitting yogurt, and hugging trees now what could they do to win power and control everybody. Humans have four fundamental needs: Water hmmmmmm, no the plebs can collect it when it falls out of the sky, but we can restrict it, make monopoly suppliers, who will restrict supplies and make very expensive and outrageously profitable, food, hmmmmmm, they can grow that on any land they own, Shelter, hmmmmmmm well we already have planning laws to make it as difficult and expensive as possible to own any of that. Energy, hmmmmmmm, got it everybody needs that and they can't produce it themselves. Evil plan is hatched. :( :( :( :(

Produce scare stories, that many sheeple will believe, restrict it, tax it and make people guilty if they use any of it. This is why we are, where we are, with energy policy today.  :( :( :(

It is all about control, control of me, you and your families. Politicians have not been slow to jump on the bandwagon and make films, scare stories and very profitable subsidized business for themselves and their families. Yeo, Lord Denham, Cameron, Clegg, failed US presidential candidates and many others are all benefitting at our expense. So, don't play their games and dance to their propaganda and tunes.  :y

The world has plenty of resources and sources of energy to last us thousands of years, as one runs out we will develop the next viable technology for more cheap energy and move on to the next, we must to survive.  :y :y :y :y Once you understand all of this, you will be a much happier person, by enjoying life and ignoring the evil controlling anarchists ;) :y :) :) :) :)


??? A typo surely. ???
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Rods2 on 29 June 2013, 22:23:22
Electricity was a popular novelty in the late 1700's with entertainers using the "Leyden Jar", which was the first capacitor.

Here is a brief timeline on electricity:

http://inventors.about.com/od/timelines/a/electricity_timeline.htm (http://inventors.about.com/od/timelines/a/electricity_timeline.htm)

This is an important lesson for those that complain about money spend on fundamental research as we just don't know what the next big invention will be and how it will affect humanity. In the early 1960's the laser was invented and was a solution looking for a problem. Now they are used for high speed communications, reading and storing data (CDs/DVDs) and a million and one other applications.
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 29 June 2013, 22:36:42
No (legal) discussion is discouraged here.

However, a small minority jump on certain threads to push their own political agendas, and god forbid if you disagree with them. General chat became a place where only a few dared venture, and only if they supported certain popularist views (as if you didn't, you'd be made to feel unwelcome). Fortunately, we have begun to pull away from that, and sanity has started to return.

We are NOT a media outlet for UKIP, or any other party, despite what some seem to believe.

So, we welcome serious debate, try to keep the political views out, and certainly trying to ram your own political views down other people's necks will not be tolerated.

Hope that makes sense, and clarifies.

How odd.  :o

Can't see any political views mentioned in this thread.

Must go to Specsavers.  ;)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: SIR Philbutt on 30 June 2013, 02:12:43
No (legal) discussion is discouraged here..........



How odd.  :o

Can't see any political views mentioned in this thread.

Must go to Specsavers.  ;)

Think this might have been in response to the OP original statement #1 - and my post  #35 - it's all about me you know  :D

Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 30 June 2013, 02:33:31
If some people had nothing to moan about, they'd bloody moan... (Sigh)

There's actually no point conversing with the polotics clique, they read what they want to read, reguardless of what's actually said anyway.



I would add though, I actually rarely disagree with them. Things is I rarely disagree with them an awfull lot. Several times a day in fact. After I've seen it on the news, the papers, web sites blah blah bloody blah.

Your right guys. :y now for the love of god, move on. ;D

Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Rods2 on 30 June 2013, 21:08:10
If some people had nothing to moan about, they'd bloody moan... (Sigh)

There's actually no point conversing with the polotics clique, they read what they want to read, reguardless of what's actually said anyway.



I would add though, I actually rarely disagree with them. Things is I rarely disagree with them an awfull lot. Several times a day in fact. After I've seen it on the news, the papers, web sites blah blah bloody blah.

Your right guys. :y now for the love of god, move on. ;D

If this topic does not interest you, stop reading and do something different!

The nights are now drawing in, so be prepared, go and start a winter tyre thread!  :P :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 30 June 2013, 21:57:17
If some people had nothing to moan about, they'd bloody moan... (Sigh)

There's actually no point conversing with the polotics clique, they read what they want to read, reguardless of what's actually said anyway.



I would add though, I actually rarely disagree with them. Things is I rarely disagree with them an awfull lot. Several times a day in fact. After I've seen it on the news, the papers, web sites blah blah bloody blah.

Your right guys. :y now for the love of god, move on. ;D

If this topic does not interest you, stop reading and do something different!

The nights are now drawing in, so be prepared, go and start a winter tyre thread!  :P :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D ;D
And let the rot set in again, I think not.

As has been said, if we're using that defence, that there's nothing in the guidelines that says I have to read or not, reply or not.

However, there is a general opinion on balance within this particular...society/community/membership, whatever, that's not happy at the utterly miserable, clique, unfriendly and repetitive nature of gen chat early this year, and at various points before. Those views are drawn from politics and more so the miserable and closed minded approach of those members generally speaking. (Rather than the actual particular subject itself per say IMO.)

I have to admit, and hand those members ammunition on a plate probably, that my approach to it has changed as I've understood the problem better. What can I say, we are learning etc...?

I never used to agree on the subject of politics being devicive on here..., as members here are saying, it should be aloud... Or at least be able to discuss it collectively. Fact is though, unless you agree, your not welcome and that grudge is heald for ever.

Its poisonous. Devicive, and undermines the forum. Or at least that's what I've come to learn so far. Interesting how others react when treated the same though. 


( above is not related to this thread per say, as, as it turns out, and as Nicbat says, its not particularly political, but the subject came up as a result of it)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 30 June 2013, 23:01:57
I think we need to examine matters a little more closely.

Miserable or not, one must face facts. Society is changing and that affects us all. Whether it is vehicle-related (e.g. increased taxation on cars, the fitting of tracker devices for all new vehicles - mooted by the EU, etc.), or related to our own personal lives ("bedroom tax", energy costs/shortages, unemployment, etc.), these issues are growing in importance.

Of course, we all like a good laugh and joke with our online friends, but we also like to have the opportunity to discuss and voice our opinions. Of course, that can be divisive, but the world is becoming more divisive. Witness the violence in Egypt, Pakistan and Syria. Witness the general strikes in Greece and the protests in Italy. I love my Omega and am pleased to receive advice and help with its maintenance but, more importantly, I have a family and two young children and they are infinitely more important than my car.

Divisiveness does not necessarily cause long-term problems, though. For example, Cem is a socialist - I am not; Cem is a conspiracy theorist - I am not (though tempted to become one!!). We have great arguments about 9/11 and capitalism, yet I respect his views and I know that being a part of the OOF community he would come to my aid if the chips were down as I would come to his.

I want the world to be a better place for my children, but I believe that our current political classes are heading us in the opposite direction - in many cases for their own personal gain. If I can make just one "friend" on the forum see that and help to change course, then that I feel I have contributed to the solution and not been part of the problem. 

It's about being adults and respecting others' views whilst still "campaigning" for what one believes is best for the future.  :y 

P.S. Read my strapline about being governed by inferiors!!!  :y
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 30 June 2013, 23:18:40
Whoops, made a mistake whilst editing. Sorry, nothing to add.  :-[
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 30 June 2013, 23:23:49
If the same approach was taken with religion the forum would be long gone, I'm almost certain.

Campaigning, preaching... Beating over the head, whatever the subject, in a gentle way still hurts, its just takes longer to notice.

You've (as a faction) never noticed when I've agreed with your views, and taken offence when I've disagreed (sometimes any response is better than none at all ;D )

I'm accused of obsessing on bushes and handling, possibly in the same way you obsess on "campaigning", the difference being relevance to the audience IMO.

The opposite equivalent of that would be if you where a member on political forum, and I continually posted in gen chat there, without variation on car handling. Yes it may be of interest to some members but the vast majority interested in the subject for which that forum exists, polotics, would soon get stuffed off with it. ESP if i and my group excluded the views of all others and took over the section.
 The sole contribution I'd be making would be to eventually irritate a good portion of that membership with no interest or input anywhere else.

Its not as if you have the decency to break your car now and again so we can help you out ;D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 30 June 2013, 23:29:46
If the same approach was taken with religion the forum would be long gone, I'm almost certain.

Campaigning, preaching... Beating over the head, whatever the subject, in a gentle way still hurts, its just takes longer to notice.

You've (as a faction) never noticed when I've agreed with your views, and taken offence when I've disagreed (sometimes any response is better than none at all ;D )

I'm accused of obsessing on bushes and handling, possibly in the same way you obsess on "campaigning", the difference being relevance to the audience IMO.

The opposite equivalent of that would be if you where a member on political forum, and I continually posted in gen chat there, without variation on car handling. Yes it may be of interest to some members but the vast majority interested in the subject for which that forum exists, polotics, would soon get stuffed off with it. ESP if i and my group excluded the views of all others and took over the section.
 The sole contribution I'd be making would be to eventually irritate a good portion of that membership with no interest or input anywhere else.

Its not as if you have the decency to break your car now and again so we can help you out ;D

A subjective view, not an objective one. In other words, it's a guess!  ;) ;D

I would rather say that the majority of folks on here have a view on the way society is heading and, party politics aside, it is nevertheless a political issue.  :y
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 30 June 2013, 23:32:20
Whoops, made a mistake whilst editing. Sorry, nothing to add.  :-[
Nik, why would I read it again, and again, and again. Your right by the way.


Now, having agreed with you, what about my views? And the rest of the membership not interested in polotics every day after its been in the media ALL day long already.

We're all aware of what your saying, and its repeated to us, again generally speaking as if we're idiots that lived under the stairs all our lives.

It would be unfair to say there's isn't genuine interest occasionally, some of your stuff (as a faction) is very interesting and informative, but everything in moderation as they say. ;)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 30 June 2013, 23:34:09
Whoops, made a mistake whilst editing. Sorry, nothing to add.  :-[
Nik, why would I read it again, and again, and again. Your right by the way.


Now, having agreed with you, what about my views? And the rest of the membership not interested in polotics every day after its been in the media ALL day long already.

We're all aware of what your saying, and its repeated to us, again generally speaking as if we're idiots that lived under the stairs all our lives.

It would be unfair to say there's isn't genuine interest occasionally, some of your stuff (as a faction) is very interesting and informative, but everything in moderation as they say. ;)

Express them. It's what a forum is all about.
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 30 June 2013, 23:35:26
If the same approach was taken with religion the forum would be long gone, I'm almost certain.

Campaigning, preaching... Beating over the head, whatever the subject, in a gentle way still hurts, its just takes longer to notice.

You've (as a faction) never noticed when I've agreed with your views, and taken offence when I've disagreed (sometimes any response is better than none at all ;D )

I'm accused of obsessing on bushes and handling, possibly in the same way you obsess on "campaigning", the difference being relevance to the audience IMO.

The opposite equivalent of that would be if you where a member on political forum, and I continually posted in gen chat there, without variation on car handling. Yes it may be of interest to some members but the vast majority interested in the subject for which that forum exists, polotics, would soon get stuffed off with it. ESP if i and my group excluded the views of all others and took over the section.
 The sole contribution I'd be making would be to eventually irritate a good portion of that membership with no interest or input anywhere else.

Its not as if you have the decency to break your car now and again so we can help you out ;D

A subjective view, not an objective one. In other words, it's a guess!  ;) ;D

I would rather say that the majority of folks on here have a view on the way society is heading and, party politics aside, it is nevertheless a political issue.  :y

Cheap, very very cheap. Any eejit can put bits out and be pedantic. Dance around it all you like, your ignoring the jist, which speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 30 June 2013, 23:36:26
Whoops, made a mistake whilst editing. Sorry, nothing to add.  :-[
Nik, why would I read it again, and again, and again. Your right by the way.


Now, having agreed with you, what about my views? And the rest of the membership not interested in polotics every day after its been in the media ALL day long already.

We're all aware of what your saying, and its repeated to us, again generally speaking as if we're idiots that lived under the stairs all our lives.

It would be unfair to say there's isn't genuine interest occasionally, some of your stuff (as a faction) is very interesting and informative, but everything in moderation as they say. ;)

Express them. It's what a forum is all about.
exactly, I do, others do, and what do we get in return.

Read TB's post for the result.
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: albitz on 30 June 2013, 23:40:17
I still think the simplest,easiest solution is to give politics its own sticky,the same as jokes have,and then those who want to get involved can do so,and those who don't can very easily ignore it.
Seemples really. After all,iirc the vote on the subject was very evenly split,with a small majority in favour of allowing it to stay ?  :-\
To put another perspective on the observations already posted. Once the "political" (in the broader sense) threads disappeared from genchat,it initially became what I can only describe as resembling the facebook page of a gay teenager.Then we had the air freshener thing again,which to me was another pretty contrived attempt at reintroducing the fun element.
It failed miserably imo.We cant turn back the clock. The days of side splitting hilarity are gone and they aint coming back unfortunately.
It was those particular people at that particular time.It was spontaneous which is why it was so hilarious,but you cant recreate something like that unfortunately.
Now,imo its settled down into mediocrity.The occasional thread of some interest,but almost no debate or discussion which will stimulate the mind or provoke thought.
My view of course,which undoubtedly be the polar opposite of some others.
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 30 June 2013, 23:40:54
Whoops, made a mistake whilst editing. Sorry, nothing to add.  :-[
Nik, why would I read it again, and again, and again. Your right by the way.


Now, having agreed with you, what about my views? And the rest of the membership not interested in polotics every day after its been in the media ALL day long already.

We're all aware of what your saying, and its repeated to us, again generally speaking as if we're idiots that lived under the stairs all our lives.

It would be unfair to say there's isn't genuine interest occasionally, some of your stuff (as a faction) is very interesting and informative, but everything in moderation as they say. ;)

Express them. It's what a forum is all about.
exactly, I do, others do, and what do we get in return.

Read TB's post for the result.

Huh? As I read it, your views on politics are there shouldn't be any views on politics.

That's helpful. ::)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 30 June 2013, 23:44:58
Polar opposite on the result of the poll as well.

Maybe another moan to admin, on the sticky subject this time. ;)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: 05omegav6 on 30 June 2013, 23:45:58
As and when the lights go out, I shall simply go and sit in the car to watch tv and charge my phone. If it's cold, I might even put the seat heater on...
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: albitz on 30 June 2013, 23:47:53
Polar opposite on the result of the poll as well.

Maybe another moan to admin, on the sticky subject this time. ;)

Que ??  ???
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 30 June 2013, 23:48:19
I still think the simplest,easiest solution is to give politics its own sticky,the same as jokes have,and then those who want to get involved can do so,and those who don't can very easily ignore it.
Seemples really. After all,iirc the vote on the subject was very evenly split,with a small majority in favour of allowing it to stay ?  :-\
To put another perspective on the observations already posted. Once the "political" (in the broader sense) threads disappeared from genchat,it initially became what I can only describe as resembling the facebook page of a gay teenager.Then we had the air freshener thing again,which to me was another pretty contrived attempt at reintroducing the fun element.
It failed miserably imo.We cant turn back the clock. The days of side splitting hilarity are gone and they aint coming back unfortunately.
It was those particular people at that particular time.It was spontaneous which is why it was so hilarious,but you cant recreate something like that unfortunately.
Now,imo its settled down into mediocrity.The occasional thread of some interest,but almost no debate or discussion which will stimulate the mind or provoke thought.
My view of course,which undoubtedly be the polar opposite of some others.

Spot on, Albs.

Even if just for a trial period, it would give a real indication of how much the OOF fraternity want to discuss serious issues.  :y :y :y
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 30 June 2013, 23:52:36
Whoops, made a mistake whilst editing. Sorry, nothing to add.  :-[
Nik, why would I read it again, and again, and again. Your right by the way.


Now, having agreed with you, what about my views? And the rest of the membership not interested in polotics every day after its been in the media ALL day long already.

We're all aware of what your saying, and its repeated to us, again generally speaking as if we're idiots that lived under the stairs all our lives.

It would be unfair to say there's isn't genuine interest occasionally, some of your stuff (as a faction) is very interesting and informative, but everything in moderation as they say. ;)

Express them. It's what a forum is all about.
exactly, I do, others do, and what do we get in return.

Read TB's post for the result.

Huh? As I read it, your views on politics are there shouldn't be any views on politics.

That's helpful. ::)
Indeed, as you read it. Now go read what's actually there.

Your not getting away with it this time, as said, my views are very similar. Preaching though, there is no need. Even working best way according to your(factions) take on the readership, your irritating half the audience on your own admission.

Not that you'll read that as its written of course.


You might argue that a concidered acceptable level of polotics to some, could equal zero in your(factions) eyes. True enough there I suppose.
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 30 June 2013, 23:54:16
I still think the simplest,easiest solution is to give politics its own sticky,the same as jokes have,and then those who want to get involved can do so,and those who don't can very easily ignore it.
Seemples really. After all,iirc the vote on the subject was very evenly split,with a small majority in favour of allowing it to stay ?  :-\
To put another perspective on the observations already posted. Once the "political" (in the broader sense) threads disappeared from genchat,it initially became what I can only describe as resembling the facebook page of a gay teenager.Then we had the air freshener thing again,which to me was another pretty contrived attempt at reintroducing the fun element.
It failed miserably imo.We cant turn back the clock. The days of side splitting hilarity are gone and they aint coming back unfortunately.
It was those particular people at that particular time.It was spontaneous which is why it was so hilarious,but you cant recreate something like that unfortunately.
Now,imo its settled down into mediocrity.The occasional thread of some interest,but almost no debate or discussion which will stimulate the mind or provoke thought.
My view of course,which undoubtedly be the polar opposite of some others.

Spot on, Albs.

Even if just for a trial period, it would give a real indication of how much the OOF fraternity want to discuss serious issues.  :y :y :y
I'd vote for that. Good work Albs. :)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Nickbat on 30 June 2013, 23:55:10
Whoops, made a mistake whilst editing. Sorry, nothing to add.  :-[
Nik, why would I read it again, and again, and again. Your right by the way.


Now, having agreed with you, what about my views? And the rest of the membership not interested in polotics every day after its been in the media ALL day long already.

We're all aware of what your saying, and its repeated to us, again generally speaking as if we're idiots that lived under the stairs all our lives.

It would be unfair to say there's isn't genuine interest occasionally, some of your stuff (as a faction) is very interesting and informative, but everything in moderation as they say. ;)

Express them. It's what a forum is all about.
exactly, I do, others do, and what do we get in return.

Read TB's post for the result.

Huh? As I read it, your views on politics are there shouldn't be any views on politics.

That's helpful. ::)
Indeed, as you read it. Now go read what's actually there.

Your not getting away with it this time, as said, my views are very similar. Preaching though, there is no need. Even working best way according to your(factions) take on the readership, your irritating half the audience on your own admission.

Not that you'll read that as its written of course.


You might argue that a concidered acceptable level of polotics to some, could equal zero in your(factions) eyes. True enough there I suppose.


..and you're irritating the other half!! We've got it sown up, Gixer, old chum.  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 30 June 2013, 23:55:54
Come on, NEXT.

I'm enjoying this, as Maggie would say. ;D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 30 June 2013, 23:57:31
Whoops, made a mistake whilst editing. Sorry, nothing to add.  :-[
Nik, why would I read it again, and again, and again. Your right by the way.


Now, having agreed with you, what about my views? And the rest of the membership not interested in polotics every day after its been in the media ALL day long already.

We're all aware of what your saying, and its repeated to us, again generally speaking as if we're idiots that lived under the stairs all our lives.

It would be unfair to say there's isn't genuine interest occasionally, some of your stuff (as a faction) is very interesting and informative, but everything in moderation as they say. ;)

Express them. It's what a forum is all about.
exactly, I do, others do, and what do we get in return.

Read TB's post for the result.

Huh? As I read it, your views on politics are there shouldn't be any views on politics.

That's helpful. ::)
Indeed, as you read it. Now go read what's actually there.

Your not getting away with it this time, as said, my views are very similar. Preaching though, there is no need. Even working best way according to your(factions) take on the readership, your irritating half the audience on your own admission.

Not that you'll read that as its written of course.


You might argue that a concidered acceptable level of polotics to some, could equal zero in your(factions) eyes. True enough there I suppose.


..and you're irritating the other half!! We've got it sown up, Gixer, old chum.  ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D
Your owed about 4years of preaching the way I see it. ;D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: 05omegav6 on 01 July 2013, 00:03:51
Having read the post you just summarized Nickbat, the suggestion is not that there should be no political discussion, merely that it should be reduced in volume so as not overwhelm Gen Diss :-\

If you want to change the world, a happy go lucky car forum is the wrong place. Writing to your MP/MEP would be more effective. If you already do that, and you really feel the need to tell someone, then simply post summat along the lines of...

'I heard/saw/read about XYZ, and felt it important enough to write to ABC about it and just thought it worthy of mention'. That anyone interested in that particular item can go off and research it for themselves and draw their own conclusions free of prejudice.

It is quite frustrating to read four or five 'stories' in the paper on a Saturday, all telling the same story from five different authors, when I saw them on the MSN home page two days earlier when I checked my emails. Then on Sunday and Monday they get repeated here, having been posted by the same few people.

Speaking for myself, if I wanted to read the same dross day in day out I would join Facebook and Twitter and have the Daily Mail streamed to my phone.
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 July 2013, 00:14:33
Having read the post you just summarized Nickbat, the suggestion is not that there should be no political discussion, merely that it should be reduced in volume so as not overwhelm Gen Diss :-\

If you want to change the world, a happy go lucky car forum is the wrong place. Writing to your MP/MEP would be more effective. If you already do that, and you really feel the need to tell someone, then simply post summat along the lines of...

'I heard/saw/read about XYZ, and felt it important enough to write to ABC about it and just thought it worthy of mention'. That anyone interested in that particular item can go off and research it for themselves and draw their own conclusions free of prejudice.

It is quite frustrating to read four or five 'stories' in the paper on a Saturday, all telling the same story from five different authors, when I saw them on the MSN home page two days earlier when I checked my emails. Then on Sunday and Monday they get repeated here, having been posted by the same few people.

Speaking for myself, if I wanted to read the same dross day in day out I would join Facebook and Twitter and have the Daily Mail streamed to my phone.

Without wanting to sound facetious at all...       Spot on Al. :y
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: albitz on 01 July 2013, 00:15:26
Polar opposite on the result of the poll as well.

Maybe another moan to admin, on the sticky subject this time. ;)

Result of poll 53.2% voted to allow Politics. 46.8% voted against. Is that the 4th one this weekend ? I cant keep up. ;D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Vamps on 01 July 2013, 00:20:15
Having read the post you just summarized Nickbat, the suggestion is not that there should be no political discussion, merely that it should be reduced in volume so as not overwhelm Gen Diss :-\

If you want to change the world, a happy go lucky car forum is the wrong place. Writing to your MP/MEP would be more effective. If you already do that, and you really feel the need to tell someone, then simply post summat along the lines of...

'I heard/saw/read about XYZ, and felt it important enough to write to ABC about it and just thought it worthy of mention'. That anyone interested in that particular item can go off and research it for themselves and draw their own conclusions free of prejudice.

It is quite frustrating to read four or five 'stories' in the paper on a Saturday, all telling the same story from five different authors, when I saw them on the MSN home page two days earlier when I checked my emails. Then on Sunday and Monday they get repeated here, having been posted by the same few people.

Speaking for myself, if I wanted to read the same dross day in day out I would join Facebook and Twitter and have the Daily Mail streamed to my phone.

Without wanting to sound facetious at all...       Spot on Al. :y

Why bother posting on here then if it is not for you? I ignore what I don't want to read, I find it really hard to comprehend this, members complaining, I mostly ignore the politics, certainly don't get into discussion if I am not interested in the subject matter..... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Steve B on 01 July 2013, 00:22:55
If some people had nothing to moan about, they'd bloody moan... (Sigh)

There's actually no point conversing with the polotics clique, they read what they want to read, reguardless of what's actually said anyway.



I would add though, I actually rarely disagree with them. Things is I rarely disagree with them an awfull lot. Several times a day in fact. After I've seen it on the news, the papers, web sites blah blah bloody blah.

Your right guys. :y now for the love of god, move on. ;D
Well i agree with this sentence
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: SIR Philbutt on 01 July 2013, 00:30:07

.........

Why bother posting on here then if it is not for you? I ignore what I don't want to read, I find it really hard to comprehend this, members complaining, I mostly ignore the politics, certainly don't get into discussion if I am not interested in the subject matter..... ::) ::)

Thing is none of this is about politics or debate/agreement/disagreement on a certain issue such as green energy at Glastonbury.
It's about who can have the last word on whatever the subject is. Sorry but that's how I see it
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: 05omegav6 on 01 July 2013, 00:31:10
Should I not have posted then? Just because I'm not in the political clique, it doesn't prevent me, or anyone else for that matter, from either having an opinion or from voicing it.
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 01 July 2013, 00:32:26
To be honest I can't see what all the hoo haa is all about.  ::)  If you don't like the look of a thread don't read it simple!!  ::)

If certain members want to pontificate on tyres, the EU or custard then that's fine by me and I may or may not look at that thread or comment on it.  We all like chatting about different stuff. That's life both here and in the real world!  ::)

Live and let live folks!!  :) Life is just too damn short to get worked up about stuff like this!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 July 2013, 00:33:26
Reading between the lines, and early threads on oof in the early years the pattern seems quite similar.

Polotics clique post as normal, the main stream members joined in to try and lighten the mood for fear a mass depression undoing all the hard work they did building the forum, and succeeded.

As time goes on the clique continue, and main stream members at the time gradually get worn down and give up trying to keep things on track and light hearted. To the point they really can't be bothered with the same old dross every day(generally speaking) and leave them to it.
Some moved on, some of those as a direct result of the polotics/missery, some refuse to post in gen chat anymore, some suggest closing the section altogether. Downward spiral into the depths of the daily mails plug hole until the place is dead as a door nail.

Me, why stick my neck out, risk a ban and upsetting people? Because if it continues, there will BE NO FORUM AT ALL, if admins comments are to be believed.

Therefor there is absolutely nothing to loose from my point of view. Just after Xmas this was not a place I wanted to be, as said. I had the phone numbers of the friends I'd made here, there was no point posting on oof. Nobody could be bothered. Christ, we spent more time discussing the polotics issue than anything else outside oof anyway.

So, what's to loose...? (Q admin ban ;D )
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 July 2013, 00:36:14
Polar opposite on the result of the poll as well.

Maybe another moan to admin, on the sticky subject this time. ;)

Result of poll 53.2% voted to allow Politics. 46.8% voted against. Is that the 4th one this weekend ? I cant keep up. ;D
Yeah your right actually, can i borrow a sunbraro? ;D

last I looked it was Tother way about. The poll is still open so obviously there's been votes since. Damn! ;D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Vamps on 01 July 2013, 00:37:01
Reading between the lines, and early threads on oof in the early years the pattern seems quite similar.

Polotics clique post as normal, the main stream members joined in to try and lighten the mood for fear a mass depression undoing all the hard work they did building the forum, and succeeded.

As time goes on the clique continue, and main stream members at the time gradually get worn down and give up trying to keep things on track and light hearted. To the point they really can't be bothered with the same old dross every day(generally speaking) and leave them to it.
Some moved on, some of those as a direct result of the polotics/missery, some refuse to post in gen chat anymore, some suggest closing the section altogether. Downward spiral into the depths of the daily mails plug hole until the place is dead as a door nail.

Me, why stick my neck out, risk a ban and upsetting people? Because if it continues, there will BE NO FORUM AT ALL, if admins comments are to be believed.

Therefor there is absolutely nothing to loose from my point of view. Just after Xmas this was not a place I wanted to be, as said. I had the phone numbers of the friends I'd made here, there was no point posting on oof. Nobody could be bothered. Christ, we spent more time discussing the polotics issue than anything else outside oof anyway.

So, what's to loose...? (Q admin ban ;D )

And were quick enough to come back..... :D :D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 July 2013, 00:40:08
Reading between the lines, and early threads on oof in the early years the pattern seems quite similar.

Polotics clique post as normal, the main stream members joined in to try and lighten the mood for fear a mass depression undoing all the hard work they did building the forum, and succeeded.

As time goes on the clique continue, and main stream members at the time gradually get worn down and give up trying to keep things on track and light hearted. To the point they really can't be bothered with the same old dross every day(generally speaking) and leave them to it.
Some moved on, some of those as a direct result of the polotics/missery, some refuse to post in gen chat anymore, some suggest closing the section altogether. Downward spiral into the depths of the daily mails plug hole until the place is dead as a door nail.

Me, why stick my neck out, risk a ban and upsetting people? Because if it continues, there will BE NO FORUM AT ALL, if admins comments are to be believed.

Therefor there is absolutely nothing to loose from my point of view. Just after Xmas this was not a place I wanted to be, as said. I had the phone numbers of the friends I'd made here, there was no point posting on oof. Nobody could be bothered. Christ, we spent more time discussing the polotics issue than anything else outside oof anyway.

So, what's to loose...? (Q admin ban ;D )

And were quick enough to come back..... :D :D
Some where quite stubborn buggers it has to be said. ;)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 July 2013, 00:41:03
Polar opposite on the result of the poll as well.

Maybe another moan to admin, on the sticky subject this time. ;)

Result of poll 53.2% voted to allow Politics. 46.8% voted against. Is that the 4th one this weekend ? I cant keep up. ;D
Yeah your right actually, can i borrow a sunbraro? ;D

last I looked it was Tother way about. The poll is still open so obviously there's been votes since. Damn! ;D
Actually, I sense a conspiracy coming on. :-\ ;)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 01 July 2013, 00:42:13
Who are the so called 'mainstream' members then?  :-\

I seem to remember a while back there was a big falling out, accusations of cliques forming, and members throwing toys out of prams etc etc...   ::)  Were these the 'mainstream'?  ???   ::)   :-\
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 July 2013, 00:44:49
Who are the so called 'mainstream' members then?  :-\

I seem to remember a while back there was a big falling out, accusations of cliques forming, and members throwing toys out of prams etc etc...   ::)  Were these the 'mainstream'?  ???   ::)   :-\
They weren't on the admin team then.
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: albitz on 01 July 2013, 00:48:57
Lets not forget that this thread was started by a long standing (albeit rarely posting) member,who has a particular interest in engineering in general and its use in energy production in particular. His posts and activities in this field were formerly welcomed and considered to be of benefit to the forum. It went badly wrong with the first reply,and then downhill after that.A pause for thought and contemplation,followed by an apology offered with a tinge of genuine humility could have saved yet another 7 pages or so of navel gazing.
He seemed genuinely bewildered by the reply,and I would imagine will be even more bewildered if he pops back and reads what has become of his thread. ;)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Sir Tigger KC on 01 July 2013, 00:53:16
Who are the so called 'mainstream' members then?  :-\

I seem to remember a while back there was a big falling out, accusations of cliques forming, and members throwing toys out of prams etc etc...   ::)  Were these the 'mainstream'?  ???   ::)   :-\
They weren't on the admin team then.

 ;D ;D ;D Well that's all right then!  ;D ;D ;D

I know one thing though.... this thread has generated enough hot air to power bloody Glastonbury!!!  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: Steve B on 01 July 2013, 00:54:41
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Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 July 2013, 01:03:38
Lets not forget that this thread was started by a long standing (albeit rarely posting) member,who has a particular interest in engineering in general and its use in energy production in particular. His posts and activities in this field were formerly welcomed and considered to be of benefit to the forum. It went badly wrong with the first reply,and then downhill after that.A pause for thought and contemplation,followed by an apology offered with a tinge of genuine humility could have saved yet another 7 pages or so of navel gazing.
He seemed genuinely bewildered by the reply,and I would imagine will be even more bewildered if he pops back and reads what has become of his thread. ;)
Ah yes, the old naval gazing line, so how self centred is the politics clique exactly? Hmmm?

Remember, the underlying problem though. Oh wait, that would have to be akowledged first. ::)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: 05omegav6 on 01 July 2013, 01:11:39
Anyone own this?

 http://gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/natural-science/_more2005/_more03/elephant-African-savannah-in-Addo-Elephant-Park-Eastern-Cape-South-Africa-35-JR.jpg  (http://gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/natural-science/_more2005/_more03/elephant-African-savannah-in-Addo-Elephant-Park-Eastern-Cape-South-Africa-35-JR.jpg)

 ::)
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: albitz on 01 July 2013, 01:13:45
The "politics clique" is an invention of your imaginiation in response to the accusation a long time ago that a clique existed within OOF.
It doesn't exist.Simple as that. Of all the people who would be deemed to be members of the politics clique,I have only ever communicated with one of them via PM or any other method,for example. Its a case of say it often enough and people will accept it as true,which I would guess half a dozen people (at most) have. ;)
The underlying problem,is subjective. Different people have different views as to what the problems (if any) are. ;)
I would suggest though,rereading the main point of my post.It may have been a bit blunt but it wasn't a points scoring exercise.It was a serious point. :y
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 July 2013, 01:17:56
Who are the so called 'mainstream' members then?  :-\

I seem to remember a while back there was a big falling out, accusations of cliques forming, and members throwing toys out of prams etc etc...   ::)  Were these the 'mainstream'?  ???   ::)   :-\
They weren't on the admin team then.

 ;D ;D ;D Well that's all right then!  ;D ;D ;D

Can't get anymore main stream than that surely?

Let me ask you, do you believe the forum would continue in its current form with gen chat as it was? If you do I understand your point off view, but if not your not making any sense.
There's alot involved running Oof, an awful lot if you have a job as well, which they do. Why would you run a forum you didn't enjoy using yourself, again, as TB's post?

Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: chrisgixer on 01 July 2013, 01:23:47
The "politics clique" is an invention of your imaginiation in response to the accusation a long time ago that a clique existed within OOF.
It doesn't exist.Simple as that. Of all the people who would be deemed to be members of the politics clique,I have only ever communicated with one of them via PM or any other method,for example. Its a case of say it often enough and people will accept it as true,which I would guess half a dozen people (at most) have. ;)
The underlying problem,is subjective. Different people have different views as to what the problems (if any) are. ;)
I would suggest though,rereading the main point of my post.It may have been a bit blunt but it wasn't a points scoring exercise.It was a serious point. :y
D
Are you Hez bollar(?) or something? Refusing to recognise the admin state?

On its previous course the forum would close. I firmly believe that anyway. No income from parts through here, no customers. Dealing with ebay instead. You of all people should be concerned about that surely?

Of maybe you don't believe it? Fine, but don't cock it up for others aye.  >:(
Title: Re: Glastenbury Energy
Post by: TheBoy on 01 July 2013, 11:06:08
Bickering isn't helping, boys and girls. Thats aimed at everybody and nobody in particular.

Who ever said that there was no politics involved (Nickbat?), please reread the early part of the thread. Granted, maybe not particularly mentioned, but more than implied, which is why I chipped in earlier.

Whoever implied no politics clique (Albs?) - when H21 posted the thread about politics, the amount of PM activity dramatically increased. Without knowing the content, I can't say why, but it would be coincidental, would it not? I imagined it would be along the lines of "General Discussion will be like the Mary Celeste" - which we knew it it would be, having been overrun by those pushing their own agendas, and not allowing other viewpoints. The whole section became a very hostile place for anyone not a member of the OOF Branch of UKIP. BUT it would be worth it if those who had always not been allowed in that section would be able to post topics without having other peoples' views forcibly rammed down their necks.

Whoever suggested the postcount thing was contrived (Albs?) - you are incorrect. Or if it was, nobody told me (either before or after the event). It would appear some people, clearly not including me, got some light hearted entertainment from the tree thing.



Personally, I do not want to see censoring, but that relies on everybody playing by the rules. As we will never, in any walk of life, have everybody playing by the rules all the time, and element of censorship. Its a sad fact of life. Unlike many other similar sites, OOF was always conceived to have a tiny moderation team with very little moderation required, and an (almost) anything goes attitude to posts, as long as its legal. Over the years, we've had to tweak things, but we're mostly still at that original view on things. BUT we do require people of play along.

So please reread my original post I made on this thread, and digest. Thank you.


Miked - sorry your post turned in to this, unfortauntely you stumbled upon a delicate (wider) subject that has caused a very corrosive divide in OOF.  :'(