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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: rockhound on 06 September 2013, 20:48:30
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Purchased a lovely 530 M SPORT last night 09 plate all the toys , took it for a test drive and all was good , drove it home the 200 miles and was perfect, got into the car today and selected drive and had a very loud vibration from what seems by the gear selector, pull off and vibration stops , stopped a bit up the road and it was back , any ideas guys ? now i know this is not a BMW forum but ther are some of the cleverest people ive ever known on this site with a wealth of knowledge about most cars so im just throwing it out there
Thanks
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Is the autobox fluid level OK?
Seem to recall these use the 6 speed zf unit.
The straight six is the only BMW engine to have in my opinion
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Does it come with indicators ;D
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Might be worth lifting it up and putting it on axle stands and having a good nose around the selector area from underneath.
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There are a few posts on bimmerfest forum regarding this. Might be worth a scan through some old posts to see if they found a cure. :-\
Del may be able to throw some light on it. :-\
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There are a few posts on bimmerfest forum regarding this. Might be worth a scan through some old posts to see if they found a cure. :-\
Del may be able to throw some light on it. :-\
Can you point me in the right direction yz250 , been googling all day and just going around in circles really , cheers mate
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Is the autobox fluid level OK?
Seem to recall these use the 6 speed zf unit.
The straight six is the only BMW engine to have in my opinion
think its a straight 6 :y
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There are a few posts on bimmerfest forum regarding this. Might be worth a scan through some old posts to see if they found a cure. :-\
Del may be able to throw some light on it. :-\
Can you point me in the right direction yz250 , been googling all day and just going around in circles really , cheers mate
This type of post is the sort of thing I'm referring to. :y
http://forums.5series.net/e60-discussion-2/vibrating-stick-shift-normal-e60-118571/
Another similar post
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=651329
And another
http://www.f30post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=710395
Mine have all been autos but I can't say I've ever experienced it. I'm certainly in a position to enquire though. ;) :y
Did you go for the petrol or Diesel engine? Lovely motor whichever you chose. :y
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thanks for that mate , i went for the diesel , drives beautifully but just this bloody loud vibration thing bugging me
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It's not got loose under paneling or a loose engine cover has it? I had a loose panel under a 7 Series once and it gave the most horrible noise. Is it a manual I take it?
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It's not got loose under paneling or a loose engine cover has it? I had a loose panel under a 7 Series once and it gave the most horrible noise. Is it a manual I take it?
Auto mate, nah is seems to come from the centre of the car underneath the gear shift , will put in on ramps tomorrow and hopefully see something
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If you bought it from a Garage take it back....... ;)
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Has it been "chipped" or had engine Ecu mapped?
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Has it been "chipped" or had engine Ecu mapped?
no not as far as i know
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could it be gearbox mount?????
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I've replaced a few torque converters on those gearboxes - does it sound a bit like driving over a cattle grid ?
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finally someone told, autobox is donald :( I didnt want to..
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I've replaced a few torque converters on those gearboxes - does it sound a bit like driving over a cattle grid ?
yeah has that sound , is it expensive or difficult ?
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could it be gearbox mount?????
is that a big job too ?
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Out of interest, how many miles has it done?
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92k
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Just been up a mates house and noticed a little bit of oil dripping out from left side of engine, cant see a lot as under pan cover stopping from seeing but its obviously not a good sign :'( :'(
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Where did you get this car from?
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private sale from ebay
classified listing
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Just been up a mates house and noticed a little bit of oil dripping out from left side of engine, cant see a lot as under pan cover stopping from seeing but its obviously not a good sign :'( :'(
If its engine oil I wouldn't worry too much, the beemers suffer cam cover leaks same as omegas do.
It it's ATF though...
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just an update guys for the ones helping me out here ,
Had the car on ramps today and took covers off to have a lookie and noticed the o/s engine mount bracket has sanpped in half resulting in the engine dropping about 2 inces and leaning on what seems to be the turbo oil feed pipe and kinking the jublie clip and thats where the oil is leaking from , just ordered bracken from the main stealers and looking for somewhere to have it done , bloody cars argggggghhhh
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just an update guys for the ones helping me out here ,
Had the car on ramps today and took covers off to have a lookie and noticed the o/s engine mount bracket has sanpped in half resulting in the engine dropping about 2 inces and leaning on what seems to be the turbo oil feed pipe and kinking the jublie clip and thats where the oil is leaking from , just ordered bracken from the main stealers and looking for somewhere to have it done , bloody cars argggggghhhh
Well that's a result! Keep us updated :y
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Engine mount bracket snapped at 90k/4 years :o
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You want to see some of the failures the constabulary's are having on the beemers.
think Jason.m could tell a few stories,about manchesters one's.
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and if anyone has done one before then please let me know lol
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Did you HPI this car?
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You want to see some of the failures the constabulary's are having on the beemers.
think Jason.m could tell a few stories,about manchesters one's.
Don't get me started!!!
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Did you HPI this car?
full check £30 online
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Did you HPI this car?
full check £30 online
Any reason for asking lol
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Did you HPI this car?
full check £30 online
Any reason for asking lol
Honestly I can't just see a mount cracking at 90k, just can't see it :-\. Show us some pictures of this car anyway :y.
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Nice. Very nice :y
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Spiders, best alloys available for the E60 :y. Lovely looker.
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thanks guys
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just a quick one, i done the full HPI check, All came back ok but i tried to call the seller a few times since to see if he had a spare key as when i picked the car up he said the company he buys from sometimes finds a spare and then he would pass on but the phone is permenetly off or turned off, He has also closed his Ebay account from which i first seen the classified add on , he also had zero feedback and had only opened his account the day before the car was listed , like i said i have had the full works hpi check and even went to a local garage for them to do which they did for £10 and all came back good, just a bit suspicious with him closing of the account on Ebay
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can anything come back and kick me in the ass after all the checks ive done ?
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Yes if it's not the full HPI check with the serial numbers that they request before you purchase the car.
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As said if you didn't put in all numbers before hand the HPI won't cover you. Did you pay by cash or bank transfer, did you get a receipt? Where did you buy it from?
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can anything come back and kick me in the ass after all the checks ive done ?
Yes, if he still has the spare key he can come and steal it from you :(
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Have you cross checked the engine and vin numbers that he gave you with the car!
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My guess would be that the car was cheap enough to be tempting, but not that cheap. What you have said about the the seller would suggest summat seriously amiss :-\ Do you have the sellers address? (a rhetorical question...)
Do you know a friendly copper who could run the Reg and Chassis numbers through the PNC just in case... if that checks out, get the locks changed sharpish, including the remote and transponder codes. If it doesn't check out then you stand a fair chance of losing the car and your money :'(
This thread might turn out to be a textbook guide for 'How not to buy a car' :-\
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yup all number entered into hpi check and all came back ok , paid in cash with receipt
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He also does not have my address , got it from yorkshire and bought from his home address , he gave me the full log book so he does not have my name or address
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yup all number entered into hpi check and all came back ok , paid in cash with receipt
As all the numbers were entered in before you have some sort of recourse should anything be amiss. Although they'd still kick up about it being paid in cash. To be honest, I'd just see how it goes really, a lot of people say they have the spare key when they don't just to help the sale go through. Any help you need feel free to give me a PM if needed. As long as all the number match up properly I wouldn't worry overly. The engine mount still surprises me though.
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cant find a single thing on the internet about changing engine mount brackets on a 2009 530d , anyone want to earn some good money lol
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Do you know a friendly copper who could run the Reg and Chassis numbers through the PNC just in case...
Not going to happen... would be handy though 8)
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Do you know a friendly copper who could run the Reg and Chassis numbers through the PNC just in case...
Not going to happen... would be handy though 8)
Indeed, wave goodbye to the job if it did.
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anyone got any info on the e60 engine mount brackets ? cant find a single write up anywhere,
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Do you know a friendly copper who could run the Reg and Chassis numbers through the PNC just in case...
Not going to happen... would be handy though 8)
Indeed, wave goodbye to the job if it did.
One of my now EX colleagues did something similar a few years ago (note I say EX) Got fired!!!
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This may help
http://bmw.workshop-manuals.com/5_Series_E60/530i_N52_SAL/index.php?id=676
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Thanks Hoody , Its not the mount i want to remove tho its the bracket that the mount is connected too , The one thats connected tot he block, Do you have any info on that as i can see it on the menu to the left of the diagram you posted
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Just click on the blue links :y
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my bad lolol, dont show a lot but thank you for your help , much appreciated
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tried everything i know to get hold of the previous owner of the car by phone but no avail, any ideas guys
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You bought it from his home address, is it worth a drive back?
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i bought it from a guy who bought it at auction so it has the previous keepers address on the v5 not the address that i bought from
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Didn't the receipt have the sellers name and address on it? ::)
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Shall we just cut to the chase, you bought a car, paid cash and there is a problem with it, you have no choice but to live with your decision........ :( :(
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but there is no problem with it , this is just a gut feeling thats bugging me
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anyone near coventry that can go say hi to the previous keeper to put my mind at rest ?
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but there is no problem with it , this is just a gut feeling thats bugging me
I'm confused now.
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To be honest with you, I highly doubt you're going to be getting the spare key, did you get all the service history etc? Does all the mileage match up?
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Hi everyone , i have a new problem :-[ :-[
I dropped the car at BMW today and within 30 mins they called me back saying that the cars ignition does not belong to the car, they checked the key and it belongs to a 535 not my 530 and not the dame year , the guy on the phone said it could be innocent and just be that the car has had a second hand replacement ignition but even tho that brings up questions,
The only positive i can think of is that the guy i bought it from bought it as stolen recovered and a third party not bmw replaced the ignition and then he sold it on to muggins me , I got no problem with the car if thats the case as long as its not dodgy
Do you think this is plausible ?
stressed.com
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Do a HPI check on it. ;)
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all done , came back clear as a bell, done it before i handed the cash over, checked everything, all numbers and ll matched
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Didn't think it is possible to steal one of those without a key or a crane :-\
Sounds like you've bought a big smelly retriever :-\
As a thought, type the reg into the dvla car tax checker and ask mid. Might show up any anomalies...
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I didn't think so Al, but at work we were given some intel & watched a video just to show how easy it was to steal them, it literally took 1 minute. I ain't gonna say how but Bloody hell it was good to watch.
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Now that you mention it, wasn't there a watchdog type program about that :-\
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Yep there was, we got the full fat version of the how to :o :o :o I believe that the same logic can be applied to the BMW Mini too ::)
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I didn't think so Al, but at work we were given some intel & watched a video just to show how easy it was to steal them, it literally took 1 minute. I ain't gonna say how but Bloody hell it was good to watch.
ODB port still active with ignition off, isn't it... ::)
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Hi everyone , i have a new problem :-[ :-[
I dropped the car at BMW today and within 30 mins they called me back saying that the cars ignition does not belong to the car, they checked the key and it belongs to a 535 not my 530 and not the dame year , the guy on the phone said it could be innocent and just be that the car has had a second hand replacement ignition but even tho that brings up questions,
The only positive i can think of is that the guy i bought it from bought it as stolen recovered and a third party not bmw replaced the ignition and then he sold it on to muggins me , I got no problem with the car if thats the case as long as its not dodgy
Do you think this is plausible ?
stressed.com
What is your reg number, PM me it if need be, also the last 7 numbers of your VIN number. BMW's are very complex, anything you do pretty much needs a computer, you won't just be able to put a second hand ignition unit in and it'll work, it would need every single system on the car coded to that key, and genuinely that would take an age. I'm afraid to say it, but genuinely it looks like you've bought a car with one hell of a past.
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Today is a bad news day for me i'm afraid .........Car was stolen and cloned, police impounded the car today and are chasing up with the seller, police officer said it does not look good for getting my money back and the only thing i could possibly do is try and get hold of the insurance company that has paid out the owner of the stolen car and maybe do a deal with them for the title of the car that would have to be put back to all original with the vin numbers and so on
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Ouch!!! :o :'(
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Claim the money back through ebay. Its all over the site now that if you buy something which isn't as decribed,they will get your money back.
Edit.Just checked,its only if you pay via paypal,which Im assuming you didn't ?
A visit accompanied by Billy the bat then. ;)
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My guess would be that the car was cheap enough to be tempting, but not that cheap. What you have said about the the seller would suggest summat seriously amiss :-\ Do you have the sellers address? (a rhetorical question...)
...through PNC... If it doesn't check out then you stand a fair chance of losing the car and your money :'(
This thread might turn out to be a textbook guide for 'How not to buy a car' :-\
Guess it found its way into the computer eventually :-\
Crap news indeed :-\ Caveat Emptor...
If the HPI check was kosher, then should they not be paying you back your cash? Or does it not cover against cloning :-\
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My guess would be that the car was cheap enough to be tempting, but not that cheap. What you have said about the the seller would suggest summat seriously amiss :-\ Do you have the sellers address? (a rhetorical question...)
...through PNC... If it doesn't check out then you stand a fair chance of losing the car and your money :'(
This thread might turn out to be a textbook guide for 'How not to buy a car' :-\
Guess it found its way into the computer eventually :-\
Crap news indeed :-\ Caveat Emptor...
If the HPI check was kosher, then should they not be paying you back your cash? Or does it not cover against cloning :-\
HPI will not cover it if he paid over £3000 in cash :(.
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Bugger :'(
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No cover for a clone which is pointless in having a full check . Any ideas how to get hold of the original owners name of the insurance company , police won't give it out so I'm stuffed
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Doubt ins comoany wil give it to you (data protection act) but it may be available from the DVLA ? :-\
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You'll have to contact DVLA, they should tell you for a small fee.
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MID shows up nothing as its obviously not insured anymore and hasnt been for a while now ! Any ideas guys how i can find out what insurance paid out on the car ?
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Sorry to hear this news. :(
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very bad news :( loosing hard earned cash to thiefs hurts anyone :( :(
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The insurance company own the vehicle now and ive heared from the police officer who has contacted the original owner and he may be interested in purchasing it back :-( Does he have automatic rights to get offered first?
Thanks
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The insurance company own the vehicle now and ive heared from the police officer who has contacted the original owner and he may be interested in purchasing it back :-( Does he have automatic rights to get offered first?
Thanks
As he was the last legitimate owner, I'd suggest he would have first dibs. :-\
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Sorry to hear this, as above as he was the original owner, with insurance now paid out he would have first choice I would have thought.
Reading through it all, the alarm bells would be ringing for me based on some of your earlier posts.
Fact the seller had no feed back is a big concern, and very new account registration, then account going dead after you sold it.
eBay really is full of scumbags these days, I only use it when its for cheapo-crapo items, I'm finding myself avoiding it more and more.
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Sorry to read about all this.
I thought once insurance had paid out then the old owner has no rights to the car. If he is interested I would wonder why. is this some kind of scam involving the original owner as well. If he/she gets it back does it happen again.
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Sorry to read about all this.
I thought once insurance had paid out then the old owner has no rights to the car. If he is interested I would wonder why. is this some kind of scam involving the original owner as well. If he/she gets it back does it happen again.
I hope this is the case as im without a car and very little money left to get another one , The police officer who spoke to the original owner told me he would be interested in buying the car back for Centemental reasons , seems fishy dont it lol
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Sorry to read about all this.
I thought once insurance had paid out then the old owner has no rights to the car. If he is interested I would wonder why. is this some kind of scam involving the original owner as well. If he/she gets it back does it happen again.
I hope this is the case as im without a car and very little money left to get another one , The police officer who spoke to the original owner told me he would be interested in buying the car back for Centemental reasons , seems fishy dont it lol
Not really mate. If MY car was stolen, I'd want it back if it were still in good condition, especially if I've already been paid market value for it.
A car, that I want (because I bought it in the first place) for FREE? Suspicious?????????????????? No - Common Sense.
Likely the owner would have to pay a few hundred pounds to have the car returned to him.... No brainer!
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The vehicle belongs to the insurance company, the previous owner could buy it back, but they would pay whatever the applicable rate for a category X vehicle is.
If they didn't want it, it may be offered to the OP. If not, the vehicle would be sold via Copart. The vehicle will however carry the Cat X marker meaning it's a 'stolen, recovered vehicle'.
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guess im dead in the water then :'( :'(
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Sorry to read about all this.
I thought once insurance had paid out then the old owner has no rights to the car. If he is interested I would wonder why. is this some kind of scam involving the original owner as well. If he/she gets it back does it happen again.
I hope this is the case as im without a car and very little money left to get another one , The police officer who spoke to the original owner told me he would be interested in buying the car back for Centemental reasons , seems fishy dont it lol
Not really mate. If MY car was stolen, I'd want it back if it were still in good condition, especially if I've already been paid market value for it.
A car, that I want (because I bought it in the first place) for FREE? Suspicious? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? No - Common Sense.
Likely the owner would have to pay a few hundred pounds to have the car returned to him.... No brainer!
I have to disagree, why would it be free ? after all the old owner has been paid out. why was the original owner informed the car has been recovered ? why would the insurance company sell it to the original owner, surely they would do whatever recovers the best price for the insurance company.
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agreed, previous owner now has to pay market value, the insurance company will want to re-coup the money. Either via auction or back to the owner.
The owner cannot get a pay-out, then the car back for nothing ::)
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the previous owner has to be informed as he was the last keeper of the vehicle, the police do not contact insurance company's
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So what happened to the seller? Have the Police caught up with him? ???
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What about the money i have spent on the car ? Fitted new brakes all round at a cost of £450, oil change at £45 , filled the car with diesel at £90 purchased engine mount from BMW for £60 thats why it went in the first place for that repair , am i out of pocket for all that too or will they take this into account on the asking price back for the vehicle ?
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You've got more chance of the Police delivering the car back freshly valeted with a bunch of flowers ::)
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Which Police Force is it?
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What about the money i have spent on the car ? Fitted new brakes all round at a cost of £450, oil change at £45 , filled the car with diesel at £90 purchased engine mount from BMW for £60 thats why it went in the first place for that repair , am i out of pocket for all that too or will they take this into account on the asking price back for the vehicle ?
if you have your receipts , you can claim your changed items only (from the original owner when he gets it) but not the car .. because you have paid for a stolen car.. :( the only way to take your money back is to find the person who sells you..
and believe me its not that hard.. if you had a phone call to his mobile number police can back track the areas it has signal.. but if they want to :-\ (not sure how long they keep records so hurry) also they can find who are being called from this number.. I am sure he made some calls to wife or home etc etc.. and it is your right to ask for those numbers from the mobile company (if you have a lawyer)..
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you can take your money back, but it will take time and more money I'm afraid :(
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spoke to insurance company who are not sure if they will offer it to original owner first, not holing my breath
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what kind of price am i looking to hear from the insurance company if they offer me the car back , im guessing its going to classed as a cat D write off, the car in good condition with no history is selling for about 9k
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Only they can answer that :-\
TBH I am surprised that you're still even considering it...
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Stolen recovered cars are usually classed as category X
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what percentage is normally knocked off for a stolen recovered , just so i can be ready when they tell me what they want for it ?
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Have you actually asked them? Assuming they have paid out, they will be looking to get as much back upto that amount as possible.
I imagine it will be more than you have already paid for it, and after the problem getting a key sorted, I suspect you will regret buying it... again :-\
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Did you not think to brake the car for parts when you started to think something was up with it? Would suck if I found out my omega was cloned :(
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Did you not think to brake the car for parts when you started to think something was up with it? Would suck if I found out my omega was cloned :(
Stupid boy ;D That would have left Mr Rockhound having to explain to the insurers why he shouldn't give them any money that he might have earned from dismantling their car ::) suspect it would also make him an accessory to the original theft...
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they want 9700 for it :o :o :o :o
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they want 9700 for it :o :o :o :o
And that surprises you because... ???
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Sounds about right, think you said you paid around £9k for it previously? Which was much lower than it's true value I think?
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but surely a car that need new chassis numbers and vin changed back and also has stolen record against it would de-value it by thousands wouldn't it ?
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but surely a car that need new chassis numbers and vin changed back and also has stolen record against it would de-value it by thousands wouldn't it ?
Irrelevant really ::) they own it, they effectively bought it and that is what they're asking for it ::) my advice, fwiw,
LET IT GO :y
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Did you not think to brake the car for parts when you started to think something was up with it? Would suck if I found out my omega was cloned :(
Oh dear what a silly suggestion ;D ;D ;D ;D
And who in their right mind would go to a lot of trouble to clone an Omega - not worth their while cashwise ::) ::)
To the Op - agree with Al - let it go and unfortunately you have learned an expesive lesson - if its really cheap there is a reason for that - these guys play on "greed"
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called the insurance today and said if i don't want the car back then will they refund me at least the price i have spent on the car, 2 rear calipers and brakes all round , and full service , comes to about £870
No they said as we cant say the car needed the parts you have said, i have all the receipts but are they just taking the piss out of me and trying to fob me off or am i entitled to the money back
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A chat with CAB or similar may be helpful. Plenty of good intent on here,but no one with legal qualifications afaik. ;)
Me - I would be persuing the seller relentlessly. ;)
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Not entitled to a penny ::) I am guessing from the fuss you're making that you borrowed money to buy the car :-\
If it was a secured loan, ie X amount to buy that exact car, then you might have some recourse with the lender, otherwise, that's it... Your stuck with the payments, and as crappy as the whole situation is, try and take some comfort from the fact that you won't make the same mistake again.
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A chat with CAB or similar may be helpful. Plenty of good intent on here,but no one with legal qualifications afaik. ;)
Me - I would be persuing the seller relentlessly. ;)
Absol-bloody-lutley!!!! ::)
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no loan but just cheesed off that the insurance company want to make as much money as possible from the victim of the whole thing, The car re surfaced from my misfortune and even if i had known it was stolen i still would of called the police as i don't want to be caught up in anything to do with it illegally ,
Just seems a shame that the insurance are only interested in making as much possible and not doing the moral thing and giving the loosing guy a bit of a break , thanks for your reply's guys
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the seller is not evaporated .. he is somewhere else..
plus you really can claim your expenses..
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the seller is not evaporated .. he is somewhere else..
plus you really can claim your expenses..
From whom? Did the owner of the car (the insurance company) ask him to spend money on replacing parts :-\
Say you went shopping, and left the car in the supermarket car park. I come along and notice that the discs and pads need changing and all the tyres are bald. So I buy new parts and fit them.
When you come out of the shop, I present you with a bill for £800.
Would you...
1.pay me or 2. tell me to bugger off?
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the seller is not evaporated .. he is somewhere else..
plus you really can claim your expenses..
From whom? Did the owner of the car (the insurance company) ask him to spend money on replacing parts :-\
Say you went shopping, and left the car in the supermarket car park. I come along and notice that the discs and pads need changing and all the tyres are bald. So I buy new parts and fit them.
When you come out of the shop, I present you with a bill for £800.
Would you...
1.pay me or 2. tell me to bugger off?
2. bugger off ;D ;D ;D ;D
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the seller is not evaporated .. he is somewhere else..
plus you really can claim your expenses..
From whom? Did the owner of the car (the insurance company) ask him to spend money on replacing parts :-\
Say you went shopping, and left the car in the supermarket car park. I come along and notice that the discs and pads need changing and all the tyres are bald. So I buy new parts and fit them.
When you come out of the shop, I present you with a bill for £800.
Would you...
1.pay me or 2. tell me to bugger off?
example is irrelevant ::) (lawfully as its a case where laws enter the situation)
of course from the insurance firm! as they are the owner now.. but problem is they will refuse to pay .. in this case question is who you will apply to or call on.. if here I could easily answer that..
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The only likely chance of any refund is if the seller is stood in a Court and ordered to repay the fee..... that'll be a pound a week then! ::)
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Cem the example is not irrelevant as that is basically what the OP has done...
The only detail missing is that he also gave the driver of the car parked next to yours £9000 in exchange for your car, (which is only there because you have gone shopping) ::)
If he finds the person to whom he gave £9000, he can try to claim that back. But he has no claim for the money spent repairing someone elses car that he never owned, and was not instructed to repair ::)
So pray do tell how and why he can claim that back...
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Cem the example is not irrelevant as that is basically what the OP has done...
The only detail missing is that he also gave the driver of the car parked next to yours £9000 in exchange for your car, (which is only there because you have gone shopping) ::)
If he finds the person to whom he gave £9000, he can try to claim that back. But he has no claim for the money spent repairing someone elses car that he never owned, and was not instructed to repair ::)
So pray do tell how and why he can claim that back...
if we were in court here , the judge wont listen to any of that! how I know is another subject.. :)
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think like that , either your own or sombody elses car, you add value to that car without knowing.. and you have the receipts..
and believe me judges and laws mostly (may be not always) have a logic..
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Thanks for clearing that up ::) Not
I'll put you down for 1. ;D
Replacing service items merely helps to maintain the value of a car, it certainly won't enhance it...
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Thanks for clearing that up ::) Not
I'll put you down for 1. ;D
Replacing service items merely helps to maintain the value of a car,
it certainly won't enhance it...
the logic for laws are international Al.. the items you bought are still on the car :)
and according to your logic an unserviced and a serviced car have the same value ;)
part 1 and 2 contradicts
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I'll start with your second first...
Cars depreciate the second they get to their first owner, servicing them merely slows the speed at which the value falls away.
As for him owning the parts ::) yes he paid for them, but he donated them to to the owner of the car when he fitted them.
Your wife owns an ipod. The headphones are a bit tatty, so, without asking, you by some nice new ones. A week later she sells the ipod and new headphones to a man in the market. By your logic, you are entitled to demand the headphones back simply because you paid for them ;D
To quote Vamps from a month or so ago...
Shall we just cut to the chase, you bought a car, paid cash and there is a problem with it, you have no choice but to live with your decision........
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I'll start with your second first...
Cars depreciate the second they get to their first owner, servicing them merely slows the speed at which the value falls away.
As for him owning the parts ::) yes he paid for them, but he donated them to to the owner of the car when he fitted them.
Your wife owns an ipod. The headphones are a bit tatty, so, without asking, you by some nice new ones. A week later she sells the ipod and new headphones to a man in the market. By your logic, you are entitled to demand the headphones back simply because you paid for them ;D
To quote Vamps from a month or so ago...
Shall we just cut to the chase, you bought a car, paid cash and there is a problem with it, you have no choice but to live with your decision........
decide on one of them Al.. does servicing adds to the value of car or not ? :)
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ok.. thats enough.. the op now suffering a problem.. so no need to convert this too a pee contest.. I'm off :y
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Not ::)
A well serviced car simply loses less, not the same thing...
P.s. TTFN :-*
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i will speak to the financial ombudsman in the morning to see if they can clear any of this up as to who owes what and if i can claim any back
Thanks again
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Unfortunately the OP has been burnt. He broke some golden rules and now, very sadly, has to live with the consequences unless he goes and finds the seller.
At the end of the day he gave over his hard earned cash to someone who gave him a car he didn't own in return. Now the person who owns the car has had it back and is willing to sell it at fair market value.
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I'm struggling to understand this thread to be honest. :-\
The OP bought a car which turned out to be stolen, so he has lost the car and his money, including that spent on repairs etc. Here's the thing, all the OP seems worried about is how much he can buy it back from the insurance company for..... :-\
So unless the spare wheel is stuffed with coke. Why? :-\ Also he dosn't seem interested in finding/pursuing/damaging the seller!! :-\
Am I missing something? ::) :-\
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I'm struggling to understand this thread to be honest. :-\
The OP bought a car which turned out to be stolen, so he has lost the car and his money, including that spent on repairs etc. Here's the thing, all the OP seems worried about is how much he can buy it back from the insurance company for..... :-\
So unless the spare wheel is stuffed with coke. Why? :-\ Also he dosn't seem interested in finding/pursuing/damaging the seller!! :-\
Am I missing something? ::) :-\
yes you clearly are, the police are dealing with the seller who has sold a car from a rented property , what do you suggest i do , track him down myself from over 200 miles away ?
The insurance company now own the vehicle and i'm either trying to buy it back at trade price or claim at least what extra i spent on the car on top of what i paid for it to the thief who sold it to me , I still need a car so why not this one if i can get it cheaper than buying from dealer , once again what don't you understand
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I'm struggling to understand this thread to be honest. :-\
The OP bought a car which turned out to be stolen, so he has lost the car and his money, including that spent on repairs etc. Here's the thing, all the OP seems worried about is how much he can buy it back from the insurance company for..... :-\
So unless the spare wheel is stuffed with coke. Why? :-\ Also he dosn't seem interested in finding/pursuing/damaging the seller!! :-\
Am I missing something? ::) :-\
yes you clearly are, the police are dealing with the seller who has sold a car from a rented property , what do you suggest i do , track him down myself from over 200 miles away ?
The insurance company now own the vehicle and i'm either trying to buy it back at trade price or claim at least what extra i spent on the car on top of what i paid for it to the thief who sold it to me , I still need a car so why not this one if i can get it cheaper than buying from dealer , once again what don't you understand
Why should they sell it to you at trade? They have paid out market value for it and that is what they are trying to reclaim from you... If it was your car stolen and they were paying out to you I'm sure you wouldn't accept trade value ::)
Besides, if the polce are dealing with the seller I think I'd get a cheap banger for a while and see if they recover any money for you ::) But if I were in your shoes I'd be up there with a few large, rugby playing friends to ask the theif to repay me :-X
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I'm struggling to understand this thread to be honest. :-\
The OP bought a car which turned out to be stolen, so he has lost the car and his money, including that spent on repairs etc. Here's the thing, all the OP seems worried about is how much he can buy it back from the insurance company for..... :-\
So unless the spare wheel is stuffed with coke. Why? :-\ Also he dosn't seem interested in finding/pursuing/damaging the seller!! :-\
Am I missing something? ::) :-\
yes you clearly are, the police are dealing with the seller who has sold a car from a rented property , what do you suggest i do , track him down myself from over 200 miles away ?
The insurance company now own the vehicle and i'm either trying to buy it back at trade price or claim at least what extra i spent on the car on top of what i paid for it to the thief who sold it to me , I still need a car so why not this one if i can get it cheaper than buying from dealer , once again what don't you understand
I thought in your original post it had a gearbox issue.... ::) ::)
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Must be a bloody good car to justify buying it twice :-\
If you had owned it before it was stolen, I could understand where you're coming from :y
But, you didn't, so God alone knows what other horrors are lurking in it, the fact that you're looking at paying £18k for a five year old five series notwithstanding :-\
I mean so far you've had to replace the brakes all round, had a busted oil pipe, a busted engine mount, have a potentially fatal gearbox fault, had problems getting a new key cut because the cars computer has been messed with and found out that the car was stolen...
I am with Sir Tigger on this :-\
Best bet, buy a cheap runaround to get mobile and move on...
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The person that sold me the car does not live at the address from where i bought the car, so where are you and your rugby friends going to go, look around yorkshire maybe ???
Also the car has now got a stolen recorded marker for life against it as the insurance are required by law to inform DVLA , this reduces the price of the car, also the insurance does not have a forcourt to sell cars from so they sell to the trade at trade prices , im not asking for under trade but for the same price they would possibly get at auction for a car that has been stolen and recovered which is obviously a lot less asking price than for a car with no history, does that make sense ?
How have i paid 18k for the car , will it make any difference if i buy a mercedes for instance , does that then get added on to the cost of the bmw ???
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I'm struggling to understand this thread to be honest. :-\
The OP bought a car which turned out to be stolen, so he has lost the car and his money, including that spent on repairs etc. Here's the thing, all the OP seems worried about is how much he can buy it back from the insurance company for..... :-\
So unless the spare wheel is stuffed with coke. Why? :-\ Also he dosn't seem interested in finding/pursuing/damaging the seller!! :-\
Am I missing something? ::) :-\
yes you clearly are, the police are dealing with the seller who has sold a car from a rented property , what do you suggest i do , track him down myself from over 200 miles away ?
The insurance company now own the vehicle and i'm either trying to buy it back at trade price or claim at least what extra i spent on the car on top of what i paid for it to the thief who sold it to me , I still need a car so why not this one if i can get it cheaper than buying from dealer , once again what don't you understand
So have the Police found the thief/seller? because you don't seem at all bothered by this and it's a slim chance but probably the only one of getting your money back. And yes for the amount you've lost, I'd say 200 miles is no distance at all! ::)
Too be honest if this had happened to me, I'd never want to see the bloody thing again, let alone spending even more cash to have it back. Besides even if the insurance company did sell it to you at trade, it's not going to be that much less anyway... :-\
I'm not having a go or anything, just trying to understand what's going on! ::) ;)
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I'm struggling to understand this thread to be honest. :-\
The OP bought a car which turned out to be stolen, so he has lost the car and his money, including that spent on repairs etc. Here's the thing, all the OP seems worried about is how much he can buy it back from the insurance company for..... :-\
So unless the spare wheel is stuffed with coke. Why? :-\ Also he dosn't seem interested in finding/pursuing/damaging the seller!! :-\
Am I missing something? ::) :-\
yes you clearly are, the police are dealing with the seller who has sold a car from a rented property , what do you suggest i do , track him down myself from over 200 miles away ?
The insurance company now own the vehicle and i'm either trying to buy it back at trade price or claim at least what extra i spent on the car on top of what i paid for it to the thief who sold it to me , I still need a car so why not this one if i can get it cheaper than buying from dealer , once again what don't you understand
So have the Police found the thief/seller? because you don't seem at all bothered by this and it's a slim chance but probably the only one of getting your money back. And yes for the amount you've lost, I'd say 200 miles is no distance at all! ::)
Too be honest if this had happened to me, I'd never want to see the bloody thing again, let alone spending even more cash to have it back. Besides even if the insurance company did sell it to you at trade, it's not going to be that much less anyway... :-\
I'm not having a go or anything, just trying to understand what's going on! ::) ;)
i am bothered but what do you suggest i do about catching the thief and even if i did what do you suggest then ? the guy who sold the car was more than likely not the person who had the money from the deal and more like some idiot who had a few hundred from it for selling it on someone elses behalf
so please tell me what you would do
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You havn't answered my question. Have the police caught the seller/thief? ???
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not as far as i know , they have not told me so i presume not
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A quick search on Autotrader and £9k looks like a good price tbh :y
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A quick search on Autotrader and £9k looks like a good price tbh :y
A good price to entice a buyer to a quick sale ;)
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i give up
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Don't give up!, but in answer to your question. I'd be pestering the police everyday to find out what is happening in their investigation. You must have a crime number and contact, so be a pain in the arse! ::) You've lost a lot of money, are a victim of a crime and have a right to know what's going on! ::)
You have the address where you bought the car from so you can find out who owns the property which is a start and the name of the fella that took your cash although that's probably false. Get on the net, it's amazing what you can find out. Google, facebook, Land Registry, The Phonebook, 192.com, Electoral Roll it's all out there, and yes if needs be go back there knock on a few doors talk to the neighbours! What sort of neighbourhood was it nice? rough? If it's a rough area I doubt anyone will want to know, but if it's nice then people might be quite talkative! ;) To be honest I doubt the police have done very much, especially if they think you're not bothered.... ::)
The other thing I'd do is forget the Beemer and buy a nice cheap car for the time being as Al suggests! How about an Omega? ;)
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Shall we just cut to the chase, you bought a car, paid cash and there is a problem with it, you have no choice but to live with your decision........ :( :(
Why are we running round in circles, sadly OP has been foolish and lost out bigtime, you can talk all you want but that is the bottom line............... :-X
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Shall we just cut to the chase, you bought a car, paid cash and there is a problem with it, you have no choice but to live with your decision........ :( :(
Why are we running round in circles, sadly OP has been foolish and lost out bigtime, you can talk all you want but that is the bottom line............... :-X
TBH, it's starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch :-X I still find it amazing that the OP is grasping at straws... He broke all the rules when buying a car, accepted a load of BS to give reason for the V5 to be wrong and even ignored the warning that an HPI is only good up to £3k cash. It's very sad, but there was a reason that car was so cheap and seemed too good to be true :-X ::)
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Very sorry for the OP, but what also concerns me is that this HPI check appears to be useless at protecting unwary buyers. :o :o :o
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Shall we just cut to the chase, you bought a car, paid cash and there is a problem with it, you have no choice but to live with your decision........ :( :(
Why are we running round in circles, sadly OP has been foolish and lost out bigtime, you can talk all you want but that is the bottom line............... :-X
TBH, it's starting to sound like a Monty Python sketch :-X I still find it amazing that the OP is grasping at straws... He broke all the rules when buying a car, accepted a load of BS to give reason for the V5 to be wrong and even ignored the warning that an HPI is only good up to £3k cash. It's very sad, but there was a reason that car was so cheap and seemed too good to be true :-X ::)
Not only that but it was a brand new eBay account, with zero feedback. Lots of warning signs :(
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so did the seller live at the house? as you cant rent a house these days without refrences etc did you go in the house?i aways ask to use the toilet when buying a car
but as others say chase the police make a noise bug them every day have they passed it to there fraud department
id also do that 200 mile journey and ask around and talk to next door as people don't always talk to the police
I feel for you as loseing that amount of money has got to hard espcilly after doing a hpi check.
good luck
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Very sorry for the OP, but what also concerns me is that this HPI check appears to be useless at protecting unwary buyers. :o :o :o
It clearly states that it's only good for £3k cash ;)
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Channel 109 SKY at the moment. Cops,cars & criminals. Its about cases almost identical to this. A guy who paid £13k for a stolen discovery was asked for a similar amount by the insurance company when he asked if he could buy it from them when they had it seized from him. He offered them £1000 and they accepted it. Got to be worth a try. ;)
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Very sorry for the OP, but what also concerns me is that this HPI check appears to be useless at protecting unwary buyers. :o :o :o
It clearly states that it's only good for £3k cash ;)
Ahhh right, having never used it I assumed it was a Govt. sponsored system to protect buyers. ???
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just an update for the ones that helped me on this, Insurance are going to pay 5k out of the 8 i paid, ended up buying the car back for 6k so well under price for a 2008 535 fully loaded, no record on hpi as already checked so can easily move on if need be and all numbers being changed back by bmw for £300
Thanks
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Not sure how those numbers work :-\ but if you're happy then great :y
Just hope the car behaves itself :-\
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just an update for the ones that helped me on this, Insurance are going to pay 5k out of the 8 i paid, ended up buying the car back for 6k so well under price for a 2008 535 fully loaded, no record on hpi as already checked so can easily move on if need be and all numbers being changed back by bmw for £300
Thanks
I must be stupid but I make this ....
You paid £8000
They paid you £5000
Loss stands at £3000
You buy the car for £6000
Cost stands at £9000
BMW charge £300 to do admin
Costs stands at £9300
and earlier you said you spent £870 on bits for it
so car has actually cost you £10170 ??? plus all the phone calls/letters/hassle ???
But if you are happy ... your call :y :y :y :y :y :y
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I suppose having initially paid out the £8000 with no realistic chance of getting any of it back,shelling out another £2170 and getting to keep the car is the lesser of the two evils.
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Especially given the list of potential faults first time round ::)
It is a smart colour though 8)
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just an update for the ones that helped me on this, Insurance are going to pay 5k out of the 8 i paid, ended up buying the car back for 6k so well under price for a 2008 535 fully loaded, no record on hpi as already checked so can easily move on if need be and all numbers being changed back by bmw for £300
Thanks
I must be stupid but I make this ....
You paid £8000
They paid you £5000
Loss stands at £3000
You buy the car for £6000
Cost stands at £9000
BMW charge £300 to do admin
Costs stands at £9300
and earlier you said you spent £870 on bits for it
so car has actually cost you £10170 ??? plus all the phone calls/letters/hassle ???
But if you are happy ... your call :y :y :y :y :y :y
Unfortunately it seems you are ;D ;D
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Nope, Entwoods adding up is correct using the numbers you have given...
Summat still doesn't add up though, not forgetting the potential gearbox problem :-X
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I think the op has made a mistake .. and no need for underlining it anymore.. :(
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I will make it clear for those who type for the fun of it :y , I bought the car for 8k , it was stolen , 8k gone,
I have just bought a 535d m sport 2008 for 6k and also spent £840 on it servicing it , There is no gearbox issue it was a loose engine mount replaced for £70 Total £6910, Have a look and see what a top of the range 2008 535d msport fully loaded go for, around about 15k on ebay and autotrader and have also popped into a few dealers and asked them what they would sell for , Webuyanycar have offered 11k
I will keep it for a couple of years and still get back my 7k plus more , you cant add into the car 8k that i spent originally as i never owned it , I see the point your trying to make but like i said in a previous post i still have to buy a car, and am technically 3k short but i have made up that on buying a 15k car for 7k
Im not out here to argue with anyone on here but as i see it your talking xxxx
Any questions ?
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Yep ask yourself why your latest 2008 535d £15K car only cost you £7K - did you buy it from the same seller?
Is it HPI cleared or stolen?
Caveat emptor ;) ;)
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Yep ask yourself why your latest 2008 535d £15K car only cost you £7K - did you buy it from the same seller?
Is it HPI cleared or stolen?
Caveat emptor ;) ;)
Same car... I think ::) bought twice from different people...
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Let me just try and get my head around this ???.
You originally went to purchase a 530d, which turned out to be a stolen 535d? The police found out seized the car, then it goes back to the insurance company. So the £8000 or whatever figure you spent this week disappeared? The insurance company say you can have the car back for £9000 (or thereabouts), however they then say you can have it back for £6000? They give you £5000 back, but you paid £870 for parts, BMW want £300 to put everything back to how it should be and the car has cost you about £10,000?
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here we go again ::)
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My brain hurts.
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Yep ask yourself why your latest 2008 535d £15K car only cost you £7K - did you buy it from the same seller?
Is it HPI cleared or stolen?
Caveat emptor ;) ;)
Same car... I think ::) bought twice from different people...
Totally confused now ???
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Don't worry chaps this is OOF not MENSA!! :)
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It's straightforward enough Dbug...
OP paid cash for what he thought was a dirt cheap 530. Turns out it was actually a stolen 535, so the Police very kindly returned it to its rightful owner (the cars insurance company).
OP then bought it, legally, from the insurance company ::)
See, simples :y
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It's straightforward enough Dbug...
OP paid cash for what he thought was a dirt cheap 530. Turns out it was actually a stolen 535, so the Police very kindly returned it to its rightful owner (the cars insurance company).
OP then bought it, legally, from the insurance company ::)
See, simples :y
Thanks for that - wish the op had expressed it so simply - guess he was stressed :)
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My brain hurts.
What brain?
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even more good news , spoke to original keeper today who is in the process of getting his private plate back from the car, the car is only on 43k miles and not the 93000 i bought it on, all checked with online VOSA and all mot matches up ,, The thief obviously had to add miles so that it matched the 2009 car Mot
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Hi mate
I do like the 5 series.
Do you have any foto'sof the car, sounds really nice with the m sport package.
Dean