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Chat Area => General Car Chat => Topic started by: omegod on 04 November 2013, 08:13:26
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I do around 4-5 k a year and mostly round town so the 2.2 auto isn't making much sense with an average of 23 mpg so I was wondering what a 2.2 dti or 2.5 diesel manual/auto would realistically get ? I was thinking of an old xantia/306/405 run on veg oil but would prefer the comfort of the mig if feasible.
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2.5td auto will be really bad around town, remember that any small outlay can take considerable time to get back in fuel savings.
LPG'ing my 2.2, cost around £700, I needed to do just under 10k miles to pay the cost back. Going from an effective 30ish mpg to 50+ mpg.
So if you spend £700 on swapping your car, remember it will take around 2 years before you will start to make any money back :y
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Diesel Omega,I would guess mid thirties around town ? Xantia/306/cavalier/merc 190d etc on veg oil - depends on how you source it. If you get it free,as some people do,then pretty much infinite mpg.If you pay 50p per litre (which is the going rate for good quality oil), then 100mpg (equivalent) is a good estimate.
My Cavalier does 40mpg at 45p per litre. Its been worth its weight in gold to me,but its now very tatty cosmetically,so is going to be replaced by the Merc I bought yesterday.
If the Merc turns out to be a really good reliable example then the Omega will also be going next spring,and I wll save the cost of two lots of tax,ins,MOT etc.
P.S. If your buying a car to run on veg oil, make sure it has a Bosch pump. Other types of pumps usually aren't strong enough to pump veg oil. :y
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2.5TD auto will manage about 15-20mpg around town. Awful combination for below national speed limit speeds.
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2.5TD auto will manage about 15-20mpg around town. Awful combination for below national speed limit speeds.
Yup, that's about what my old one used to make.. cripplingly appalling fuel economy from the slush box & straight-6 combination.
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Cheers so far, any real world manual 2.2 dti figures? Veg would be sourced at 98p per litre from Makro and slightly diluted by pump diesel.
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Veggie oil is £15.99 for 20 litres in Costco at the moment, so that's 80p a litre. :y
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That's hideously expensive. ;D
Either canvass local restuarants to get if free or very chep,or buy it off fleabay etc. for around 50ppl. Then run it through bag filters into a bucket,thn in your tank. ;)
PM sent.
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Veggie oil is £15.99 for 20 litres in Costco at the moment, so that's 80p a litre. :y
LPG is 69p litre ;D
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I do around 4-5 k a year and mostly round town so the 2.2 auto isn't making much sense with an average of 23 mpg so I was wondering what a 2.2 dti or 2.5 diesel manual/auto would realistically get ? I was thinking of an old xantia/306/405 run on veg oil but would prefer the comfort of the mig if feasible.
Mid 20's in my TD auto on local runs of 6 miles and return, stopped for some time in between, so engine cold starting each 6 miles. :y
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My old 2.5TD Manual Estate would do 33 to 35 MPG in and out of London all day long, and that was with tools, heavy stuff on board and Ladders and Steps on the Roof, same deal on a run around 37 to 42.
If empty on a run 40 to 50 Mpg, would probably have another one if I could find a late 2.5TD Manual Estate with the right spec and colour, very thin line on MPG between a TD and V6 with LPG IMHO.
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33 purely locally, 40 spirited cross-country, 44 motorway cruising, 25.5 towing the caravan with 540-litre roof-top box.
Non-chipped with manual 'box, so very pleased! :y :y :y
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I had a 2.5TD auto PFL saloon from new for a couple of years. Over 60k it averaged 36mpg ........
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That's hideously expensive. ;D
Either canvass local restuarants to get if free or very chep,or buy it off fleabay etc. for around 50ppl. Then run it through bag filters into a bucket,thn in your tank. ;)
PM sent.
Granted, but it's easy! ;) Straight off the shelf and in the tank, no mess, no faff, no fuss and I'm still saving money!! :y
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Diesel Omega,I would guess mid thirties around town ? Xantia/306/cavalier/merc 190d etc on veg oil - depends on how you source it. If you get it free,as some people do,then pretty much infinite mpg.If you pay 50p per litre (which is the going rate for good quality oil), then 100mpg (equivalent) is a good estimate.
My Cavalier does 40mpg at 45p per litre. Its been worth its weight in gold to me,but its now very tatty cosmetically,so is going to be replaced by the Merc I bought yesterday.
If the Merc turns out to be a really good reliable example then the Omega will also be going next spring,and I wll save the cost of two lots of tax,ins,MOT etc.
P.S. If your buying a car to run on veg oil, make sure it has a Bosch pump. Other types of pumps usually aren't strong enough to pump veg oil. :y
Yet another one for the Daily Mail rich list. ::) ::) ::) ;)
Which Merc, Albs........SLS or C63?...... ::) ::) ::) :)
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Diesel Omega,I would guess mid thirties around town ? Xantia/306/cavalier/merc 190d etc on veg oil - depends on how you source it. If you get it free,as some people do,then pretty much infinite mpg.If you pay 50p per litre (which is the going rate for good quality oil), then 100mpg (equivalent) is a good estimate.
My Cavalier does 40mpg at 45p per litre. Its been worth its weight in gold to me,but its now very tatty cosmetically,so is going to be replaced by the Merc I bought yesterday.
If the Merc turns out to be a really good reliable example then the Omega will also be going next spring,and I wll save the cost of two lots of tax,ins,MOT etc.
P.S. If your buying a car to run on veg oil, make sure it has a Bosch pump. Other types of pumps usually aren't strong enough to pump veg oil. :y
Yet another one for the Daily Mail rich list. ::) ::) ::) ;)
Which Merc, Albs........SLS or C63?...... ::) ::) ::) :)
A C reg 190 d manual with windey windows in matt maroon :y
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Diesel Omega,I would guess mid thirties around town ? Xantia/306/cavalier/merc 190d etc on veg oil - depends on how you source it. If you get it free,as some people do,then pretty much infinite mpg.If you pay 50p per litre (which is the going rate for good quality oil), then 100mpg (equivalent) is a good estimate.
My Cavalier does 40mpg at 45p per litre. Its been worth its weight in gold to me,but its now very tatty cosmetically,so is going to be replaced by the Merc I bought yesterday.
If the Merc turns out to be a really good reliable example then the Omega will also be going next spring,and I wll save the cost of two lots of tax,ins,MOT etc.
P.S. If your buying a car to run on veg oil, make sure it has a Bosch pump. Other types of pumps usually aren't strong enough to pump veg oil. :y
Yet another one for the Daily Mail rich list. ::) ::) ::) ;)
Which Merc, Albs........SLS or C63?...... ::) ::) ::) :)
A C reg 190 d manual with windey windows in matt maroon :y
:( :( :( :(He won't pull pussy in that. ::) ::) ::) ;)
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15-20mpg around town :o my disco 1 gets 29mpg.
Why not get a golf gt tdi with the PD engine I get around 37mpg around town. :y
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Diesel Omega,I would guess mid thirties around town ? Xantia/306/cavalier/merc 190d etc on veg oil - depends on how you source it. If you get it free,as some people do,then pretty much infinite mpg.If you pay 50p per litre (which is the going rate for good quality oil), then 100mpg (equivalent) is a good estimate.
My Cavalier does 40mpg at 45p per litre. Its been worth its weight in gold to me,but its now very tatty cosmetically,so is going to be replaced by the Merc I bought yesterday.
If the Merc turns out to be a really good reliable example then the Omega will also be going next spring,and I wll save the cost of two lots of tax,ins,MOT etc.
P.S. If your buying a car to run on veg oil, make sure it has a Bosch pump. Other types of pumps usually aren't strong enough to pump veg oil. :y
Yet another one for the Daily Mail rich list. ::) ::) ::) ;)
Which Merc, Albs........SLS or C63?...... ::) ::) ::) :)
A C reg 190 d manual with windey windows in matt maroon :y
An H reg 190 D manual with electric windows in gunmetal (ish) metallic grey. :)
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Diesel Omega,I would guess mid thirties around town ? Xantia/306/cavalier/merc 190d etc on veg oil - depends on how you source it. If you get it free,as some people do,then pretty much infinite mpg.If you pay 50p per litre (which is the going rate for good quality oil), then 100mpg (equivalent) is a good estimate.
My Cavalier does 40mpg at 45p per litre. Its been worth its weight in gold to me,but its now very tatty cosmetically,so is going to be replaced by the Merc I bought yesterday.
If the Merc turns out to be a really good reliable example then the Omega will also be going next spring,and I wll save the cost of two lots of tax,ins,MOT etc.
P.S. If your buying a car to run on veg oil, make sure it has a Bosch pump. Other types of pumps usually aren't strong enough to pump veg oil. :y
Yet another one for the Daily Mail rich list. ::) ::) ::) ;)
Which Merc, Albs........SLS or C63?...... ::) ::) ::) :)
A C reg 190 d manual with windey windows in matt maroon :y
An H reg 190 D manual with electric windows in gunmetal (ish) metallic grey. :)
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What a quality motor, I ran this 2.0 tank for a few years and would rip your hand off for a decent 190D but just don't see them anymore
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Theres still a few around,but if they are in A1 condition they make very strong money.The one I just bought has a few none mechanical issues and high miles,but nothing I cant sort,and they are built like tanks and go on forever if looked after. I got it for very little money,so Im a happy man.
Will post up some pics when Ive tidied it up a bit. :y
2.5 engine and manual box is apparently a rare combination,and it has a Cosworth half leather interior,AMG alloys (which need a refurb) and a nice boot spoiler. Shame about the huge dent in he rear door,but a spare door (in the wrong colour) came with the car. :)
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Is that the 5 cylinder Albs? ???
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Diesel Omega,I would guess mid thirties around town ? Xantia/306/cavalier/merc 190d etc on veg oil - depends on how you source it. If you get it free,as some people do,then pretty much infinite mpg.If you pay 50p per litre (which is the going rate for good quality oil), then 100mpg (equivalent) is a good estimate.
My Cavalier does 40mpg at 45p per litre. Its been worth its weight in gold to me,but its now very tatty cosmetically,so is going to be replaced by the Merc I bought yesterday.
If the Merc turns out to be a really good reliable example then the Omega will also be going next spring,and I wll save the cost of two lots of tax,ins,MOT etc.
P.S. If your buying a car to run on veg oil, make sure it has a Bosch pump. Other types of pumps usually aren't strong enough to pump veg oil. :y
Yet another one for the Daily Mail rich list. ::) ::) ::) ;)
Which Merc, Albs........SLS or C63?...... ::) ::) ::) :)
A C reg 190 d manual with windey windows in matt maroon :y
An H reg 190 D manual with electric windows in gunmetal (ish) metallic grey. :)
Smart 8)
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Is that the 5 cylinder Albs? ???
Yep. :y
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Diesel Omega,I would guess mid thirties around town ? Xantia/306/cavalier/merc 190d etc on veg oil - depends on how you source it. If you get it free,as some people do,then pretty much infinite mpg.If you pay 50p per litre (which is the going rate for good quality oil), then 100mpg (equivalent) is a good estimate.
My Cavalier does 40mpg at 45p per litre. Its been worth its weight in gold to me,but its now very tatty cosmetically,so is going to be replaced by the Merc I bought yesterday.
If the Merc turns out to be a really good reliable example then the Omega will also be going next spring,and I wll save the cost of two lots of tax,ins,MOT etc.
P.S. If your buying a car to run on veg oil, make sure it has a Bosch pump. Other types of pumps usually aren't strong enough to pump veg oil. :y
Yet another one for the Daily Mail rich list. ::) ::) ::) ;)
Which Merc, Albs........SLS or C63?...... ::) ::) ::) :)
A C reg 190 d manual with windey windows in matt maroon :y
An H reg 190 D manual with electric windows in gunmetal (ish) metallic grey. :)
Smart 8)
No, a proper Mercedes. :D ;D
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Is that the 5 cylinder Albs? ???
Yep. :y
They're great motors, nothing fancy just a good solid diesel lump!! It's what my C250 has. :y
Not going to teach my Granny how to suck eggs ::), but when I started to run mine on veggie, all the seals on the plastic fuel pipes around the injector pump popped and I had to replace them, then the seal on the solenoid on the injector pump went so I replaced that, and then the seals on the delivery valves on the injector pump went so had to replace them too.... ::) Basically the seals were old and brittle and couldn't cope with the higher pressures that the veggie oil produces. That was my take on it anyway. :-\
Just thought I give a little 'heads up' :)
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The previous owner ran it on veggie for 4 years,so hopefully any niggles will have been sorted.Im in contact with him via the veggie oil forum,so will ask if he had any problems.Cheers. :y
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Veggie oil is £15.99 for 20 litres in Costco at the moment, so that's 80p a litre. :y
LPG is 69p litre ;D
71.9p in deepest Brakkers this morning. Guess the cold weather is setting in...
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Veggie oil is £15.99 for 20 litres in Costco at the moment, so that's 80p a litre. :y
LPG is 69p litre ;D
71.9p in deepest Brakkers this morning. Guess the cold weather is setting in...
69p at Bp spencers wood, not including the 5p avg off a litre loyalty card. ;)
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Veggie oil is £15.99 for 20 litres in Costco at the moment, so that's 80p a litre. :y
LPG is 69p litre ;D
71.9p in deepest Brakkers this morning. Guess the cold weather is setting in...
69p at Bp spencers wood, not including the 5p avg off a litre loyalty card. ;)
(Although ring them first if using them, they've had a problem with a leaking holding tank)
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Veggie oil is £15.99 for 20 litres in Costco at the moment, so that's 80p a litre. :y
LPG is 69p litre ;D
71.9p in deepest Brakkers this morning. Guess the cold weather is setting in...
69p at Bp spencers wood, not including the 5p avg off a litre loyalty card. ;)
T'was 69.9p in Brakkers on Tues, and its that time of year. Suspect it will be close to 80p within 8 weeks...
Trouble with that Spencer's Wood place is its too far out of the way if I were doing your commute... ...although that depends on how much cheaper/available it is elsewhere obviously. The one at Towcester used to be cheap for me, but wasn't worth the 20m round trip. Obviously, though, Brakkers BP is heavy on tyres.
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Oh, gixer, I would add if you're in Oxford, the BP in Cowley does that same loyalty scheme :y. Though I'm suspicious of the pumps that seem to be able to get 72l into my tank, plus one of the pumps has been missing the rubber guard for about a year ;D
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LPG is around 78p/litre here :-\
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Currently around 71p here. From empty the local pumps usually squeeze between 58L and 59.9L into my 60L tank - allegedly. ::)
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Its been 65.9p for a while around here, went up yesterday to 69.9p, suppose this is the start of the Xmas increase where LPG starts to get its demand this time of year (oil / gas heating)
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Bovvered ? Not in the slightest. :D ;D
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Bovvered ? Not in the slightest. :D ;D
You say that Albs, but the UK Tax system is really going to screw you over on recycled Veg Oil as a Diesel replacement next year, bad news for you guys Im afraid, read here -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/_Massive_clamp_down_on_Veggie_Oil_for Diesel_Drivers_next_year_UK (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=119149.new#new0)
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Far cough. You had me worried then. :P ;D ;D
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Bovvered ? Not in the slightest. :D ;D
You say that Albs, but the UK Tax system is really going to screw you over on recycled Veg Oil as a Diesel replacement next year, bad news for you guys Im afraid, read here -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/_Massive_clamp_down_on_Veggie_Oil_for Diesel_Drivers_next_year_UK (http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/index.php?topic=119149.new#new0)
;D, you're a wicked man ;D