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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: Nickbat on 22 December 2013, 17:02:52
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How long before they reverse this policy decision, I wonder?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100251611/muslim-checkout-staff-can-refuse-to-sell-pork-and-alcohol-says-ms-this-will-backfire/ (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100251611/muslim-checkout-staff-can-refuse-to-sell-pork-and-alcohol-says-ms-this-will-backfire/)
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Crazy. ???
If true, then this really is political correctness gone mad. >:(
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I'd suggest then that the young Muslim girl gets herself A N Other job well away from pigs & booze >:(
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It's beyond stupidity, you couldn't make it up. M&S are already losing sales on clothing so, if they want to cut their own throats, I could certainly live without them.
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Id insist she was replaced , fek moving to another till :( Ridiculous
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It's astounding that people will take on a job knowing full well what it entails, and then say that they can't or won't do part of it for whatever reason. :o
It's also astounding that a company will give a job to someone who can't or won't do it properly. :o
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Makes, perfect long term sense to me, for when Muslims are the majority in the UK and you are the minority and this day will arrive quicker than you think. They are just looking ahead. >:( >:( >:( >:(
They are obviously hoping, as Churchill put it, to be one of the last the crocodiles eat. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Enjoy, listening to music, looking at women's faces, drinking alcohol and your alarm clock waking you up in the morning, not your call to prayers, as these will soon be distant memories. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Agreed Rods... It will be sooner than we think!
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There are certain people within all races who will take a job,that they can easily do,they then refuse to do part or all of it,and claim "its against there religion" the company is normally to scared to to anything about it due to bad PR, or the fear of a compo claim for wrongful dismissal,etc public sector being the worst offenders.
but i bet the lady in questions family sell,handle pork based products in there shop, fast food outlet..
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Here we go again!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Change in politics and polices generally will only happen if YOU - US - allow it to happen. If YOU and I turn our back on our Christian beliefs, or simply a secular democratic state.
For those who fear so much, and stir up so much concern, then my advice is start voting at every election; go to church if that helps, or simply voice your concerns to your political representative, and vote against those who do not carry out your, and other peoples, wishes. Don't give your business to any establishment, like M&S, that give you cause to raise your blood pressure, as I boycott Tesco for my personal reasons!
But remember, what you wish for may not turn into what you want. Germany (and yes, here I go again, quoting the history of the greatest threat to mankind and our culture) when Hitler took control to rid society of Jews and Communists in particular, passing laws to ban Jewish establishments and taking away Jewish freedoms to allow the population to attack the same without penalty. Is this what you want to happen against all who are non-Christian in our country?
I have deliberately stopped posting politically motivated threads on this CAR FORUM in respect of TB and other's wishes to keep unhappy aspects of real political life not associated with motor vehicles, away from it. But still these highly emotive threads, designed to raise the blood pressure of people, are appearing on this Forum.
Come on, if you feel really strongly politically about an event, or a series of events and stories, then post on a political forum, or, as stated, raise it in political circles.
In short keep this scare mongering about something YOU can change away from the OOF PLEASE!!
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Here we go again!! ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Change in politics and polices generally will only happen if YOU - US - allow it to happen. If YOU and I turn our back on our Christian beliefs, or simply a secular democratic state.
For those who fear so much, and stir up so much concern, then my advice is start voting at every election; go to church if that helps, or simply voice your concerns to your political representative, and vote against those who do not carry out your, and other peoples, wishes. Don't give your business to any establishment, like M&S, that give you cause to raise your blood pressure, as I boycott Tesco for my personal reasons!
But remember, what you wish for may not turn into what you want. Germany (and yes, here I go again, quoting the history of the greatest threat to mankind and our culture) when Hitler took control to rid society of Jews and Communists in particular, passing laws to ban Jewish establishments and taking away Jewish freedoms to allow the population to attack the same without penalty. Is this what you want to happen against all who are non-Christian in our country?
I have deliberately stopped posting politically motivated threads on this CAR FORUM in respect of TB and other's wishes to keep unhappy aspects of real political life not associated with motor vehicles, away from it. But still these highly emotive threads, designed to raise the blood pressure of people, are appearing on this Forum.
Come on, if you feel really strongly politically about an event, or a series of events and stories, then post on a political forum, or, as stated, raise it in political circles.
In short keep this scare mongering about something YOU can change away from the OOF PLEASE!!
Lizzie, until I am told not to, I shall continue to post news items I wish to share. If I AM told not to, I shall leave the forum.
However, I shall not be told by you what I can and cannot post. >:(
Merry Christmas.
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I don't see this thread as 'politics'.
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I don't see this thread as 'politics'.
Correct .. its not "politics" .. it's a blatant (and rather pathetic) attempt to stir up ill feeling towards Muslims ... nothing more and nothing less ...
and once folk realise the purpose and ignore such posts, in their entirety, the better, as with no audience there can be no reaction, and the posts will dry up as pointless.
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I don't see this thread as 'politics'.
Correct .. its not "politics" .. it's a blatant (and rather pathetic) attempt to stir up ill feeling towards Muslims ... nothing more and nothing less ...
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Is it? I thought it was about a member of staff at the supermarket dictating what she would or wouldn't serve a customer. And if that's right, she's in the wrong job.
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I don't see this thread as 'politics'.
Correct .. its not "politics" .. it's a blatant (and rather pathetic) attempt to stir up ill feeling towards Muslims ... nothing more and nothing less ...
and once folk realise the purpose and ignore such posts, in their entirety, the better, as with no audience there can be no reaction, and the posts will dry up as pointless.
Exactly Entwood! :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
It is one reason who so many good members have left this Forum, and I for one, who usually is a politically animal, is fed up with it! >:( >:(
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I don't see this thread as 'politics'.
Correct .. its not "politics" .. it's a blatant (and rather pathetic) attempt to stir up ill feeling towards Muslims ... nothing more and nothing less ...
and once folk realise the purpose and ignore such posts, in their entirety, the better, as with no audience there can be no reaction, and the posts will dry up as pointless.
It is not a "pathetic" attempt to stir up ill feeling towards Muslims — it is merely a post to share the thought that M&S may have a rather large PR problem on their hands.
I appreciate that may be a bit hard for you to understand, so maybe you should just carry on your bullying. >:(
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I don't see this thread as 'politics'.
Correct .. its not "politics" .. it's a blatant (and rather pathetic) attempt to stir up ill feeling towards Muslims ... nothing more and nothing less ...
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Is it? I thought it was about a member of staff at the supermarket dictating what she would or wouldn't serve a customer. And if that's right, she's in the wrong job.
No Andy, it is politics by other means. An attempt to stir up political hatred, because at the base of it IS politics, just as has been done so often in our history with millions losing their lives.
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I don't see this thread as 'politics'.
Correct .. its not "politics" .. it's a blatant (and rather pathetic) attempt to stir up ill feeling towards Muslims ... nothing more and nothing less ...
and once folk realise the purpose and ignore such posts, in their entirety, the better, as with no audience there can be no reaction, and the posts will dry up as pointless.
It is not a "pathetic" attempt to stir up ill feeling towards Muslims — it is merely a post to share the thought that M&S may have a rather large PR problem on their hands.
I appreciate that may be a bit hard for you to understand, so maybe you should just carry on your bullying. >:(
Interesting viewpoint given your previous post ...
[big snip]
However, I shall not be told by you what I can and cannot post. >:(
Merry Christmas.
Do I detect a note of hypocrisy ???
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I don't see this thread as 'politics'.
Correct .. its not "politics" .. it's a blatant (and rather pathetic) attempt to stir up ill feeling towards Muslims ... nothing more and nothing less ...
and once folk realise the purpose and ignore such posts, in their entirety, the better, as with no audience there can be no reaction, and the posts will dry up as pointless.
It is not a "pathetic" attempt to stir up ill feeling towards Muslims — it is merely a post to share the thought that M&S may have a rather large PR problem on their hands.
I appreciate that may be a bit hard for you to understand, so maybe you should just carry on your bullying. >:(
Ah right, here now comes the personal insults! If someone cannot accept what you say, the insults start. This is EXACTLY what has happened in the past with this type of thread on a CAR FORUM (and yes I have done the same in the past - but it IS in the past)!!
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and there was me thinking that this section of the forum was a "General Discussion Area" not necessarily associated with the motoring world??
Learnt something new tonight ::)
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This is good. Haven't had a lively discussion in ages :y
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I don't see this thread as 'politics'.
Correct .. its not "politics" .. it's a blatant (and rather pathetic) attempt to stir up ill feeling towards Muslims ... nothing more and nothing less ...
and once folk realise the purpose and ignore such posts, in their entirety, the better, as with no audience there can be no reaction, and the posts will dry up as pointless.
It is not a "pathetic" attempt to stir up ill feeling towards Muslims — it is merely a post to share the thought that M&S may have a rather large PR problem on their hands.
I appreciate that may be a bit hard for you to understand, so maybe you should just carry on your bullying. >:(
Ah right, here now comes the personal insults! If someone cannot accept what you say, the insults start. This is EXACTLY what has happened in the past with this type of thread on a CAR FORUM (and yes I have done the same in the past - but it IS in the past)!!
Stating that my posts represent "pathetic attempts" and are "pointless" are insults. I merely pointed out that I am being bullied for posting something you don't want posted. >:( >:( >:(
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and there was me thinking that this section of the forum was a "General Discussion Area" not necessarily associated with the motoring world??
Learnt something new tonight ::)
The admins made it clear two years ago what was acceptable in the "General Discussion Area" and emotive political issues was deemed to be out of favour with them as emotions ran too high. The GDA was even temporarily suspended to let people, including me, cool down and reconsider what they posted. :y :y
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That angry smiley looks pathetically cross-eyed. Can't we have a proper one......with a gun....or a knife?
Can we? Can we? Pleeeaase.
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That angry smiley looks pathetically cross-eyed. Can't we have a proper one......with a gun....or a knife?
Can we? Can we? Pleeeaase.
Trust you Steve!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;)
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I don't see this thread as 'politics'.
Correct .. its not "politics" .. it's a blatant (and rather pathetic) attempt to stir up ill feeling towards Muslims ... nothing more and nothing less ...
and once folk realise the purpose and ignore such posts, in their entirety, the better, as with no audience there can be no reaction, and the posts will dry up as pointless.
The irony here of course, is that had Lizzie not totally over reacted, this thread would have received a few grumblings about political correctness gone mad, and it would have fizzled out! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Instead we have.... HANDBAGS!!!!! :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
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Winter tyre thread anyone...
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I don't see this thread as 'politics'.
Correct .. its not "politics" .. it's a blatant (and rather pathetic) attempt to stir up ill feeling towards Muslims ... nothing more and nothing less ...
and once folk realise the purpose and ignore such posts, in their entirety, the better, as with no audience there can be no reaction, and the posts will dry up as pointless.
The irony here of course, is that had Lizzie not totally over reacted, this thread would have received a few grumblings about political correctness gone mad, and it would have fizzled out! ::) ::) ::) ::)
Instead we have.... HANDBAGS!!!!! :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y :y
No, sorry Sir Tiger, but I am not over reacting as this type of thread is once again becoming more common. As I stated there are other avenues for raising such issues of "discontent", which this is the start of, and can start a real "hate" campaign. We do not need it on a Car Forum as I thought had been agreed two years ago.
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I stand by what I said Lizzie. :)
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Winter tyre thread anyone...
I've got my Winter Sport 3Ds on the 2.2 ::)
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Winter tyre thread anyone...
I've got my Winter Sport 3Ds on the 2.2 ::)
Any good?
If my next work hack is going to be diesel, I might as well go completely left field ;D
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I gather then, Lizzie...by you shouting CAR FORUM in your posts...you don't wan't anything posted, unless its about cars :)
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Back to the topic though, what was the aim? To draw attention to fact of Muslims in work?
That they should not be there? ???
That they should not have the choice?
Stir up things?
This along with constant "Dave" bashing at every opportunity, it gets tiresome. :(
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Winter tyre thread anyone...
I've got my Winter Sport 3Ds on the 2.2 ::)
Any good?
If my next work hack is going to be diesel, I might as well go completely left field ;D
Bloody good, excellent traction in -18 Austrian snow.
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Back to the topic though, what was the aim? To draw attention to fact of Muslims in work?
That they should not be there? ???
That they should not have the choice?
Stir up things?
This along with constant "Dave" bashing at every opportunity, it gets tiresome. :(
Dave the Muslim? He deserves everything he gets.
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Winter tyre thread anyone...
I've got my Winter Sport 3Ds on the 2.2 ::)
Any good?
If my next work hack is going to be diesel, I might as well go completely left field ;D
Bloody good, excellent traction in -18 Austrian snow.
What? You've been to Austria Tunnie? You kept that quiet.
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In order to present a balanced point...
If I worked as a check out assistant, and became carnivore, could I refuse to sell vegetables?
Discuss...
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In order to present a balanced point...
If I worked as a check out assistant, and became carnivore, could I refuse to sell vegetables?
Discuss...
No.
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In order to present a balanced point...
If I worked as a check out assistant, and became carnivore, could I refuse to sell vegetables?
Discuss...
Would you eat the customers?
That wouldn't be good for business you know.
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In order to present a balanced point...
If I worked as a check out assistant, and became carnivore, could I refuse to sell vegetables?
Discuss...
Would you eat the customers?
That wouldn't be good for business you know.
I hadn't considered that... surely better than the offerings at the Mc Donalds staff canteen ;D
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In order to present a balanced point...
If I worked as a check out assistant, and became carnivore, could I refuse to sell vegetables?
Discuss...
No.
Is that 'No I couldn't refuse' or 'No I won't discuss' :-\
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In order to present a balanced point...
If I worked as a check out assistant, and became carnivore, could I refuse to sell vegetables?
Discuss...
No.
Is that 'No I couldn't refuse' or 'No I won't discuss' :-\
No you couldn't refuse. :P
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It's the thin end of the wedge and believe me it won't stop there.
I understand that some muslim shop girls are already refusing to serve scouse Daewoo owners. :P :P :P
I mean, whatever next. ;D ;D
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In order to present a balanced point...
If I worked as a check out assistant, and became carnivore, could I refuse to sell vegetables?
Discuss...
No.
Is that 'No I couldn't refuse' or 'No I won't discuss' :-\
No you couldn't refuse. :P
;D
That's alright then :y For a moment I thought that I might have to set the Thought Police on you...
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It's the thin end of the wedge and believe me it won't stop there.
I understand that some muslim shop girls are already refusing to serve scouse Daewooo owners. :P :P :P
I mean, whatever next. ;D ;D
I think that was more to do with soiling himself in the dairy aisle, rather than being scouse... could be wrong though :-\
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It's the thin end of the wedge and believe me it won't stop there.
I understand that some muslim shop girls are already refusing to serve scouse Daewoo owners. :P :P :P
I mean, whatever next. ;D ;D
Where can you buy a scouse Daewoo owner?
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It's the thin end of the wedge and believe me it won't stop there.
I understand that some muslim shop girls are already refusing to serve scouse Daewoo owners. :P :P :P
I mean, whatever next. ;D ;D
Where can you buy a scouse Daewoo owner?
Wakefield, apparently. :P
Cheap too, so I've heard..... :o ;D
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It's the thin end of the wedge and believe me it won't stop there.
I understand that some muslim shop girls are already refusing to serve scouse Daewoo owners. :P :P :P
I mean, whatever next. ;D ;D
Where can you buy a scouse Daewoo owner?
Wakefield, apparently. :P
There's only me, and I'm not for sale. So there.
Well.....maybe for..... ;D
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Anyway, this is a car forum. Does anyone know anything interesting about cars?
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Yes. Did you know that you can put special tyres on them that will grip in snow and ice?? :o :o :o
How cool is that!!! 8) 8) 8)
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Anyway, this is a car forum. Does anyone know anything interesting about cars?
They need constant maintenance?? ;D ;D
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Anyway, this is a car forum. Does anyone know anything interesting about cars?
They need constant maintenance?? ;D ;D
I believe certain models do. ;D
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Yes. Did you know that you can put special tyres on them that will grip in snow and ice?? :o :o :o
How cool is that!!! 8) 8) 8)
Ice? Very cool.
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We've got four binmen, us :y
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Yes. Did you know that you can put special tyres on them that will grip in snow and ice?? :o :o :o
How cool is that!!! 8) 8) 8)
Ice? Very cool.
Air con working well then??? 8)
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Oh dear. We may have gone slightly off thread here I think.
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Oh dear. We may have gone slightly off thread here I think.
To quote Special Agent Gibbs...Ya think McGee? ::)
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What was it about again? Ah, yes..M&S. I particularly like their pork chops and champagne.
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What was it about again? Ah, yes..M&S. I particularly like their pork chops and champagne.
Hmmm food....
Anyone for curry :y
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What was it about again? Ah, yes..M&S. I particularly like their pork chops and champagne.
Hmmm food....
Anyone for curry :y
Not Tunnie, he's too tired. ;D
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What was it about again? Ah, yes..M&S. I particularly like their pork chops and champagne.
Hmmm food....
Anyone for curry :y
Not Tunnie, he's too tired. ;D
Talking of which, you've got ten minutes to clean your teeth and get into bed...
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What was it about again? Ah, yes..M&S. I particularly like their pork chops and champagne.
Hmmm food....
Anyone for curry :y
Not Tunnie, he's too tired. ;D
Talking of which, you've got ten minutes to clean your teeth and get into bed...
I can stay up late tonight. No school tomorrow. Now I can see what I'm missing. :y
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What was it about again? Ah, yes..M&S. I particularly like their pork chops and champagne.
Hmmm food....
Anyone for curry :y
Not Tunnie, he's too tired. ;D
Talking of which, you've got ten minutes to clean your teeth and get into bed...
I can stay up late tonight. No school tomorrow. Now I can see what I'm missing. :y
Bugger, I was hoping you hadn't noticed... ::)
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What was it about again? Ah, yes..M&S. I particularly like their pork chops and champagne.
Hmmm food....
Anyone for curry :y
Not Tunnie, he's too tired. ;D
Talking of which, you've got ten minutes to clean your teeth and get into bed...
I can stay up late tonight. No school tomorrow. Now I can see what I'm missing. :y
Bugger, I was hoping you hadn't noticed... ::)
You're safe. My battery is almost flat ;D
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Keep airing these topics, like I will Nick as it is very important for a healthy democracy, the bigger the personal insults the more they have to hide in my view, from us and society as a whole. Freedom and freedom of speech is largely lost in the UK and EU land as a result of not standing up for these rights enough, which are fortunately guaranteed in that bastion of democracy the USA. I find it ironic that those that purport to stand up to human rights the most, actually do the most to restrict and destroy them for us all, through thought, speech and deed, but most of all the law as soon as it does not co-inside with their views. It very much reminds me of the old USSR especially Eastern Germany and the Stasi.
All too often they like to compare us with the Nazis, but like to brush under the carpet what Stalin did as he was a 'good socialist', whose views the majority of these people tend to agree with and are trying to impose on all of us. Personally, I find all intolerant political and religious dictatorships repulsive abominations. They all suffer from the same corrupt flaws of a supreme leader or leadership and a small elite who dictate to the many on how they MUST live their lives.
A free, just society can only be formed by consensus of ALL views, as this shapes what the majority find acceptable normals of behaviour in that society, which is what they seek to deny to us all. This is why IMO most modern western societies have lost their way and are increasingly artificial and IMO sick societies where this small vocal section of opinion makers consider their views the only views, on what is almost always IME the wrong view.
The human rights act makes the rights of the peodophile more important than the innocence of a child, the humans rights of certain religions and their beliefs to kill us and destroy a society are more important than the protection of our muddle our way through British way of life. In this country, we are no longer all the same in the eyes of the law.
I know who the real Nazis are and it is not you or me, where we are both libertarians, who believe in personal liberty, but also the respect and responsibilities to society and our fellow human beings that goes with it. :y :y :y :y
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Truly noble thoughts, Rod. Unless, of course, the admins are politically correct, in which case, goodbye. ;D
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Well said Rod ;)
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It is not wrong to love your way of life, and try to protect it. To resent change, and strive to keep the status quo. To fear the unknown.
This has nothing to do with religion or racism, despite people trying to label it as such. It is merely a desire for your children to be prosperous and safe, and for their lives to be governed by people with their interests at heart.
People who come to our country and denounce our way of life, refuse to follow our rules and learn our language should simply be sent home. No drama, no violence, just goodbye...don't come back.
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^^^^ 100% agree
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Rods.. nice diatribe .... but factually about as accurate as the Daily Fail .....
No-one has impinged your or Nicks "right to speech" ... Lizzie suggests there is a "better" place for such posts, I suggest ignoring such posts as they will then die a natural death - which is what I believe they deserve.....
Neither of us state you can't post those views.... but apparently ... by not agreeing with you, ie .. holding a different viewpoint .. we are now Nazis/Stasi etc etc ....
The hypocrisy of your statement is amazing ... you cry out for the right to hold a view .. yet deny others the right to a different view...
Like many "libertarians" .. you actually only want one view .. your own .....
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One thing I wonder is this....and please don't take this as trying to stir up emotions and cause trouble. Im certainly not well versed in politics like some clearly are on here...
It is a genuine question....
How long will it be before there are enough Muslims with the vote in this country to elect a Muslim politician all the way to becoming prime minister? Can't help but feel our way of life could change big time then.
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Saw the same story on facebook before it was mentioned on here, ignored it there too....... ;) ;)
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How long will it be before there are enough Muslims with the vote in this country to elect a Muslim politician all the way to becoming prime minister? Can't help but feel our way of life could change big time then.
The short answer is a long time, but theoretically possible. ;)
If Scotland becomes independent however it could happen a lot quicker there, as the Scottish government will try and boost the population by encouraging immigration, to stimulate the economy attract more EU cash! :o :)
Provided the EU let Scotland stay in or rejoin that is. ;D
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Saw the same story on facebook before it was mentioned on here, ignored it there too....... ;) ;)
You havn't though..... ::) ;D
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Saw the same story on facebook before it was mentioned on here, ignored it there too....... ;) ;)
You havn't though..... ::) ;D
A small technicality............ :P :P :-*
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How long will it be before there are enough Muslims with the vote in this country to elect a Muslim politician all the way to becoming prime minister? Can't help but feel our way of life could change big time then.
The short answer is a long time, but theoretically possible. ;)
If Scotland becomes independent however it could happen a lot quicker there, as the Scottish government will try and boost the population by encouraging immigration, to stimulate the economy attract more EU cash! :o :)
Provided the EU let Scotland stay in or rejoin that is. ;D
Scottish first minister..Angus McPatel.
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Well said, Rod. :y :y
I am pleased that, at least for now, I can post on topics which I believe to be of interest.
:y :y
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I suggest ignoring such posts as they will then die a natural death - which is what I believe they deserve.....
Pity you didn't instead of calling it "pathetic". ::) ::) ::) ::)
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I suggest ignoring such posts as they will then die a natural death - which is what I believe they deserve.....
Pity you didn't instead of calling it "pathetic". ::) ::) ::) ::)
Thing is Nick, you insist on contributing absolutely opps all else.
...and I don't buy the odd top gear or aviation post just to give an excuse to stick a thorn in everyone's side once a week in the vain hope you won't appear obsessed.
It's become your reason to exist. We'd all like to see you join in. But no...
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I suggest ignoring such posts as they will then die a natural death - which is what I believe they deserve.....
Pity you didn't instead of calling it "pathetic". ::) ::) ::) ::)
Thing is Nick, you insist on contributing absolutely opps all else.
...and I don't buy the odd top gear or aviation post just to give an excuse to stick a thorn in everyone's side once a week in the vain hope you won't appear obsessed.
It's become your reason to exist. We'd all like to see you join in. But no...
That's crap and you know it. >:( >:( >:( >:(
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A long time before we get a Muslim prime minister. But are we all not aware of Muslims being elected to local councils by weight of numbers. Lizzie always trots out the same old story about WW2. But honestly, I often wonder how many of those brave boys would go so readily to defend 'THEIR country' if they could see it today?? I totally uphold the right to free speech, and hear all around me views and opinions such as expressed on such threads as these. I truly feel an enormous amount of British people feel this way, but they are either fearful of expressing it, or as mentioned in this thread, are 'shut up'. Oooops! Nothing to do with selling Pork.. :-[
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I suggest ignoring such posts as they will then die a natural death - which is what I believe they deserve.....
Pity you didn't instead of calling it "pathetic". ::) ::) ::) ::)
Thing is Nick, you insist on contributing absolutely opps all else.
...and I don't buy the odd top gear or aviation post just to give an excuse to stick a thorn in everyone's side once a week in the vain hope you won't appear obsessed.
It's become your reason to exist. We'd all like to see you join in. But no...
That's crap and you know it. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Well go and prove me wrong. ;)
I predict, two or three boys toys threads, some replies to ukip or Fail topics, never ever stepping outside gen chat never mind a post on omegas, followed by, a Topic on stirring up bad feeling. Again!
Go ahead, prove me wrong. :)
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I suggest ignoring such posts as they will then die a natural death - which is what I believe they deserve.....
Pity you didn't instead of calling it "pathetic". ::) ::) ::) ::)
Thing is Nick, you insist on contributing absolutely opps all else.
...and I don't buy the odd top gear or aviation post just to give an excuse to stick a thorn in everyone's side once a week in the vain hope you won't appear obsessed.
It's become your reason to exist. We'd all like to see you join in. But no...
That's crap and you know it. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Well go and prove me wrong. ;)
I predict, two or three boys toys threads, some replies to ukip or Fail topics, never ever stepping outside gen chat never mind a post on omegas, followed by, a Topic on stirring up bad feeling. Again!
Go ahead, prove me wrong. :)
And the 'I am never drinking again' thread......... ;) ;)
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I suggest ignoring such posts as they will then die a natural death - which is what I believe they deserve.....
Pity you didn't instead of calling it "pathetic". ::) ::) ::) ::)
Thing is Nick, you insist on contributing absolutely opps all else.
...and I don't buy the odd top gear or aviation post just to give an excuse to stick a thorn in everyone's side once a week in the vain hope you won't appear obsessed.
It's become your reason to exist. We'd all like to see you join in. But no...
That's crap and you know it. >:( >:( >:( >:(
Well go and prove me wrong. ;)
I predict, two or three boys toys threads, some replies to ukip or Fail topics, never ever stepping outside gen chat never mind a post on omegas, followed by, a Topic on stirring up bad feeling. Again!
Go ahead, prove me wrong. :)
Just go away and get a life, you bully. >:( >:( >:(
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One thing I wonder is this....and please don't take this as trying to stir up emotions and cause trouble. Im certainly not well versed in politics like some clearly are on here...
It is a genuine question....
How long will it be before there are enough Muslims with the vote in this country to elect a Muslim politician all the way to becoming prime minister? Can't help but feel our way of life could change big time then.
Rods.. nice diatribe .... but factually about as accurate as the Daily Fail .....
No-one has impinged your or Nicks "right to speech" ... Lizzie suggests there is a "better" place for such posts, I suggest ignoring such posts as they will then die a natural death - which is what I believe they deserve.....
Neither of us state you can't post those views.... but apparently ... by not agreeing with you, ie .. holding a different viewpoint .. we are now Nazis/Stasi etc etc ....
The hypocrisy of your statement is amazing ... you cry out for the right to hold a view .. yet deny others the right to a different view...
Like many "libertarians" .. you actually only want one view .. your own .....
Not true, you are quite entitled to your opinions and the right to state them at no point did I say otherwise, in fact I emphasised "ALL" I disagree with some of your views like you do mine, but that does not mean you do not have the right to hold or express them and I'm certainly not going to make unsavory implications or insult you for doing so.
I'm not going to get into you did this or they did that type of discussion as I feel it is bad for the public image of the forum. But, I will stand by what I said of people playing the Nazi card etc as it has happened more than once on here in a way that no view apart from theirs is a valid one and to hold and anything other to that implies that you are a Nazi, which I find objectionable and I'm quite prepared to stand up and say so.
On the rights to freedom of speech, there is much that cannot be said in public, Many statements that might be in bad taste will get your collar felt by the police these days, and it was in this context that my freedom of speech comment was made. There are certain words used of here in the context of caravans that could get people into trouble, as recent news headlines have shown. Fortunately, in America it is an enshrined right in their constitution, we are not that lucky.
We have seen the racism card played all too often in national politics when people want to discuss very real practical day-to-day problems being caused by unchecked mass migration and IMO this is in the same vein.
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It is not wrong to love your way of life, and try to protect it. To resent change, and strive to keep the status quo. To fear the unknown.
This has nothing to do with religion or racism, despite people trying to label it as such. It is merely a desire for your children to be prosperous and safe, and for their lives to be governed by people with their interests at heart.
People who come to our country and denounce our way of life, refuse to follow our rules and learn our language should simply be sent home. No drama, no violence, just goodbye...don't come back.
WELL SAID :y :y
As for M&S just sack the member of staff who refuses to serve a customer with the goods the company sell... SIMPLES :y
As for muslims they can all freak off ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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What a load of ballcocks over a story that was completely over-hyped!
It wasn't "Policy" as quoted (surprise, surprise!) but just something that one member of staff interpreted incorrectly ::)
Oh well... Same reaction here as elsewhere for me... Must have been a slow news day! ;)
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Rods.. nice diatribe .... but factually about as accurate as the Daily Fail .....
No-one has impinged your or Nicks "right to speech" ... Lizzie suggests there is a "better" place for such posts, I suggest ignoring such posts as they will then die a natural death - which is what I believe they deserve.....
Neither of us state you can't post those views.... but apparently ... by not agreeing with you, ie .. holding a different viewpoint .. we are now Nazis/Stasi etc etc ....
The hypocrisy of your statement is amazing ... you cry out for the right to hold a view .. yet deny others the right to a different view...
Like many "libertarians" .. you actually only want one view .. your own .....
Nicely put Entwood :y :y :y :y
I am in full support of democratic discussion IN THE RIGHT AREANA and especially where your opinion counts, where it could make a real difference.
With freedom comes responsibility; the inherent right to that freedom comes with the onus not to hurt the freedom of others. In my opinion this thread is a thinly veiled attempt to stir up the Muslims v. The rest of us emotions. Yes, I agree with the thought by some that this thread was probably best to ignore due to the lack of any real substance. But this is not the first Muslim v the rest of us thread,and it is part of a drip, drip, drip unconscious campaign to ridicule / devalue another religion. As I have repeatedly stated, in history this has transpired all too often and caused the death and terrible suffering to millions. In my opinion no religion is worth that, but let us respect the belief of others within our a GREAT democracy which we CAN defend from any threats by way of democratic processes away from a simple car forum. This Forum is primarily about cars, with the added benefit of being able to discuss the funny, sad, historical, etc, etc, aspects of life. It is not a vehicle to promote or drum up /stir up feelings of hate, racial or religious, even in the veiled attempt this post was. No, when we come onto the forum we want to leave that we'll alone, out there in the real world, not here on our peaceful and often funny (thanks to characters like Steve / Stemo) site.
There are other areana's for all that where the really serious political commentators can let vent to their thoughts and observations. It is all as simple as that!!
Now, what was that about tyres? Or shall we talk more about Bus nostalgia? ;D ;D :y :y
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Well bugger me with a fish fork....this thread went pear shaped quite quickly. ::)
Why do folk get so uptight when it comes to politics? I have a view. You guys have a view. They may differ widely. Just agree to disagree :)
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Well bugger me with a fish fork....this thread went pear shaped quite quickly. ::)
Why do folk get so uptight when it comes to politics? I have a view. You guys have a view. They may differ widely. Just agree to disagree :)
Whatever takes your fancy Steve :o :o,seriously though I agree,politics don't interest me so I don't read them,I only read this as I saw that Nick had jumped ship :(
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So, it wasn't a "policy" at all .. it was what happened to an un-named customer ... and I wonder why it got all the publicity it did .... me .. a cynic ?? never
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25488259
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Well bugger me with a fish fork....this thread went pear shaped quite quickly. ::)
Why do folk get so uptight when it comes to politics? I have a view. You guys have a view. They may differ widely. Just agree to disagree :)
Whatever takes your fancy Steve :o :o,seriously though I agree,politics don't interest me so I don't read them,I only read this as I saw that Nick had jumped ship :(
;D ;D ;D
That's the only reason I read it tbh. I figured something heavy must have gone down. :-X
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So, it wasn't a "policy" at all .. it was what happened to an un-named customer ... and I wonder why it got all the publicity it did .... me .. a cynic ?? never
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25488259
No cynics here Nige... ::)
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Whatever the aspects of the thread the forum has lost a long standing member as he felt bullied by members who didn't like what he posted. :(
My feelings are that we should be able to talk or get outraged about whatever we like in this section, as long as it's decent, legal and dosn't set out to attack or offend anyone. ??? If people don't like certain topics don't read them and don't post on those types of thread, it's quite simple. :)
Nickbat's departure is a very sad day for the forum in my opinion. :( :( :(
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I thought the original post was just highlighting news of the stupidity of either some minority of people or a well known store.
I don't believe for one second the Op ever intended to stir hatred of any kind. Hatred is only stirred when others who may not like such posts then insult the Op over his post in one form or another.
If you don't like such posts, ignore them and let them run their natural course. JMHO.
I wish no ill to anyone who has posted on this topic and hope that it is not blown so far out that we become a divided forum, we're all deserving better.
Merry Christmas all. :)
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Posts 9 and 10 seem to sum it up :-\
If the original post was not intended to rile, why react so vehemently to Lizzies response, itself inflammatory...
It is difficult to bite your tongue sometimes, as we all know only too well, but if you choose to take exception to someone elses reaction, then perhaps a moment to consider that reaction is well advised ...
Anyhoo, Peace and Goodwill to all :-*
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On numerous occasions .. not just this thread but others, the minute Nick's views were challenged in any forthright manner, he played the "I'm being bullied" card. That in itself says lots to me about his "requirements" of "debate".
Always a shame to see someone leave, but if you can't accept a differing view to your own ....
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On numerous occasions .. not just this thread but others, the minute Nick's views were challenged in any forthright manner, he played the "I'm being bullied" card. That in itself says lots to me about his "requirements" of "debate".
Always a shame to see someone leave, but if you can't accept a differing view to your own ....
Quite. Join in the public hanging, or your a bully. Oh the irony ;D
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On numerous occasions .. not just this thread but others, the minute Nick's views were challenged in any forthright manner, he played the "I'm being bullied" card. That in itself says lots to me about his "requirements" of "debate".
Always a shame to see someone leave, but if you can't accept a differing view to your own ....
Quite. Join in the public hanging, or your a bully. Oh the irony ;D
As with everything else, a simple matter of perspective ::)
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Q defending post from Albs. ::)
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The original link was to a Fail article, which would suggest that the origin/fabric of the story would be somewhat embellished either through poor reporting and researching of the facts or even a deliberate attempt to make a mountain out of a molehill. Today's news suggests that it was a very different occurrence than what was originally reported. Thus the OP's view was based on a falsity. He was also rather entrenched and seemed somewhat touchy to any other point of view being expressed. The fact he used the word bully when it is quite clear that no one was treating him that way suggests something else rather than the alternate opinions expressed on the thread (unless there were PMs going on that we won't know about)
Many, myself included, are tired of the threads which simmer with hate and intolerance toward others which are often fuelled by inaccurate facts or articles by those with vested interests. It is not the subject(s) which cause the problems but the ways in which they are expressed, by a minority. I have seen and experienced first-hand where that hate can go and what it can do to others.
Some people talk of Christian values but I wonder how many of those who use them as a yardstick to measure our current way of life go to Church at all, let alone just the big days such as later on this week. Also understand that in the early days Christians were a horrid beast by today's standards and were guilty of the most awful atrocities toward mankind. And if you want to talk about Christmas, let's not forget that it's date was chosen by scholars to be near the Winter Solstice so that it was more palatable to Pagans who were being forced to convert. I understand that Jesus' real birthdate is somewhat later in the year. I used to consider myself a Christian and I was a regular Church-goer but faced with the intolerance and inequalities it exalts, I could no longer associate myself with behaviour which contradicted what I was taught about being a good Christian. I am in the process of educating myself properly about other religions so that I can understand what is fact and fiction in the headlines and tripe we get fed.
This is a car forum, with a large side of banter, provided free by a group of volunteers who go out of their way to make this place what it is (even when errant gas bottles get in the way). Personally, when I see such threads and knowing that they are going to go on and on....all I can think about is the poor OOF disc space capacity.
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Whatever the aspects of the thread the forum has lost a long standing member as he felt bullied by members who didn't like what he posted. :(
My feelings are that we should be able to talk or get outraged about whatever we like in this section, as long as it's decent, legal and dosn't set out to attack or offend anyone. ??? If people don't like certain topics don't read them and don't post on those types of thread, it's quite simple. :)
Nickbat's departure is a very sad day for the forum in my opinion. :( :( :(
It wasn't just because of this thread, although it was the final straw.In the past people have got hot under the collar,spat their dummy,then calmed down and remembered there was so many more good reasons to be a part of OOF then bad ones.
The situation now for quite few long standing members is pretty much the reverse, which is why they either leave or just don't participate any more.
Nick told me last week that there were three people left who made it worthwhile for him to stay here,but he knows that one of those is planning on leaving in the next week or so.
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As posted by Entwood, this was basically a whole load of 'dangle berries', just made to stir up ill feelings. I still don't get the objective of the thread, other than to hope people post hatred against them and their beliefs. Along with Dave bashing, I'm not protecting him or saying he is brilliant, he's not. But doing a damn site better than the last mob, I also notice there was never one thread of praise, just always there to kick people when they are down. :(
As for the supermarket thing, I worked at Tesco many, many years ago. I was 16, as such, I could not sell booze. (i had to be 18)
So i was only put on till as a last resort, if mega busy or understaffed, as I had to ask for someone 18+ to process booze through the till for me. I suspect it's same with Muslim staff, tills only as last resort, other tasks to be done.
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Whatever the aspects of the thread the forum has lost a long standing member as he felt bullied by members who didn't like what he posted. :(
My feelings are that we should be able to talk or get outraged about whatever we like in this section, as long as it's decent, legal and dosn't set out to attack or offend anyone. ??? If people don't like certain topics don't read them and don't post on those types of thread, it's quite simple. :)
Nickbat's departure is a very sad day for the forum in my opinion. :( :( :(
It wasn't just because of this thread, although it was the final straw.In the past people have got hot under the collar,spat their dummy,then calmed down and remembered there was so many more good reasons to be a part of OOF then bad ones.
The situation now for quite few long standing members is pretty much the reverse, which is why they either leave or just don't participate any more.
Nick told me last week that there were three people left who made it worthwhile for him to stay here,but he knows that one of those is planning on leaving in the next week or so.
I think, like some do he will be back. So not overly concerned he's left. Hopefully on return he will join in more, its all anyone wanted at the end of the day.
As you say, the world continues to turn, regardless of politics, religion and controversy. The trick is, to enjoy some of it while we're here.
Happy Christmas to everyone. :)
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Whatever the aspects of the thread the forum has lost a long standing member as he felt bullied by members who didn't like what he posted. :(
My feelings are that we should be able to talk or get outraged about whatever we like in this section, as long as it's decent, legal and dosn't set out to attack or offend anyone. ??? If people don't like certain topics don't read them and don't post on those types of thread, it's quite simple. :)
Nickbat's departure is a very sad day for the forum in my opinion. :( :( :(
It wasn't just because of this thread, although it was the final straw.In the past people have got hot under the collar,spat their dummy,then calmed down and remembered there was so many more good reasons to be a part of OOF then bad ones.
The situation now for quite few long standing members is pretty much the reverse, which is why they either leave or just don't participate any more.
Nick told me last week that there were three people left who made it worthwhile for him to stay here,but he knows that one of those is planning on leaving in the next week or so.
I find your post somewhat fascinating, honestly, no cynicism or sarcasm intended at all.
You imply that Nick posted, on a forum with perhaps 50 odd regular users and a smattering of "visitors", purely for the benefit of 3 others ???
Or are you saying that he believed that 3 others agreed with his point of view ??
Either way ... it does, IMHO, show that he posted purely and simply to make/force a reaction for his own ends, as he "knew" that the majority disagreed with him ... but his posts always tried to imply that he "spoke for the majority" .... again, IMHO, further proving either dishonesty of intention, or downright hypocrisy.
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Surely this has run long enough now,time for locking perhaps as whats done is done ???
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The original link was to a Fail article, which would suggest that the origin/fabric of the story would be somewhat embellished either through poor reporting and researching of the facts or even a deliberate attempt to make a mountain out of a molehill. Today's news suggests that it was a very different occurrence than what was originally reported. Thus the OP's view was based on a falsity. He was also rather entrenched and seemed somewhat touchy to any other point of view being expressed. The fact he used the word bully when it is quite clear that no one was treating him that way suggests something else rather than the alternate opinions expressed on the thread (unless there were PMs going on that we won't know about)
Many, myself included, are tired of the threads which simmer with hate and intolerance toward others which are often fuelled by inaccurate facts or articles by those with vested interests. It is not the subject(s) which cause the problems but the ways in which they are expressed, by a minority. I have seen and experienced first-hand where that hate can go and what it can do to others.
Some people talk of Christian values but I wonder how many of those who use them as a yardstick to measure our current way of life go to Church at all, let alone just the big days such as later on this week. Also understand that in the early days Christians were a horrid beast by today's standards and were guilty of the most awful atrocities toward mankind. And if you want to talk about Christmas, let's not forget that it's date was chosen by scholars to be near the Winter Solstice so that it was more palatable to Pagans who were being forced to convert. I understand that Jesus' real birthdate is somewhat later in the year. I used to consider myself a Christian and I was a regular Church-goer but faced with the intolerance and inequalities it exalts, I could no longer associate myself with behaviour which contradicted what I was taught about being a good Christian. I am in the process of educating myself properly about other religions so that I can understand what is fact and fiction in the headlines and tripe we get fed.
This is a car forum, with a large side of banter, provided free by a group of volunteers who go out of their way to make this place what it is (even when errant gas bottles get in the way). Personally, when I see such threads and knowing that they are going to go on and on....all I can think about is the poor OOF disc space capacity.
Exactly one of my points that I expressed in different words Guffer :y :y Religion has only caused conflict that has cost the lives of millions, and often it has been started by a few spouting off discriminatory remarks (yes, like my - sorry- over used comparisons with Hitler and the Jews) that have led to mass hysteria and hatred. The Crusades into the middle East nearly one thousand years ago by the Christians - and I am a proud Christian - were another example I am ashamed to say of such an affair that led to pain, suffering and great death over what?!
This thread was the final straw for me - and I suspect others - that kept on about the Muslims v. the rest of us in an inflammatory, but often very intelligently subtle way. I could not keep quiet any longer after months of basically ignoring such threads after I thought the Forum had changed dramatically two years ago. To stay silent is dangerous in any democracy, but I just wish |I could have argued against the original theme of the thread in another more suitable arena, away from a simple, and usually now humorous and enlightened OOF. :) :)
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All religion is shite...in my opinion, of course. ;D
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All religion is shite...in my opinion, of course. ;D
+1.
Science has the most logical answer as to how we got here. My opinion of course :)
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All religion is shite...in my opinion, of course. ;D
Horlicks you say? ;D
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All religion is shite...in my opinion, of course. ;D
Horlicks you say? ;D
Exactly.
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The original link was to a Fail article, which would suggest that the origin/fabric of the story would be somewhat embellished either through poor reporting and researching of the facts or even a deliberate attempt to make a mountain out of a molehill. Today's news suggests that it was a very different occurrence than what was originally reported. Thus the OP's view was based on a falsity.
The original link was to The Telegraph not The Daily Mail and by today's news that you refer to I assume the link to the BBC that Entwood provided. The BBC puts a different slant on the story but dosn't contradict The Telegraph and I havn't seen any statement from M&S denying that they had such a policy towards Muslim staff. ::)
There was little attempt to discuss and debate this issue. Nickbat didn't go because people disagreed with him, he's gone because people tried to censor him. :(
The overreaction and snide remarks were out of line, and if certain members who don't like such threads had ignored it, then it probably would have fizzled out after 10 or 15 posts or so. Instead they have caused a good old rumpus and a lot of bad feeling!! :o :o :o
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From the horses mouth...
http://corporate.marksandspencer.com/media/press_releases/mands-statement (http://corporate.marksandspencer.com/media/press_releases/mands-statement)
:y
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The original link was to a Fail article, which would suggest that the origin/fabric of the story would be somewhat embellished either through poor reporting and researching of the facts or even a deliberate attempt to make a mountain out of a molehill. Today's news suggests that it was a very different occurrence than what was originally reported. Thus the OP's view was based on a falsity.
The original link was to The Telegraph not The Daily Mail and by today's news that you refer to I assume the link to the BBC that Entwood provided. The BBC puts a different slant on the story but dosn't contradict The Telegraph and I havn't seen any statement from M&S denying that they had such a policy towards Muslim staff. ::)
There was little attempt to discuss and debate this issue. Nickbat didn't go because people disagreed with him, he's gone because people tried to censor him. :(
The overreaction and snide remarks were out of line, and if certain members who don't like such threads had ignored it, then it probably would have fizzled out after 10 or 15 posts or so. Instead they have caused a good old rumpus and a lot of bad feeling!! :o :o :o
Ill concern over which paper it was. It was shoddy reporting either way, not something you see often with the torygraph tbh.
Check Sky news out too they reported in a similar vein to the BBC on the subject. Or are they pushing for a socialist agenda as well?
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FFS is this playground,bitch fight still going. It will end up on bebo at this rate. :)
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FFS is this playground,bitch fight still going. It will end up on bebo at this rate. :)
What's bebo?
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Its a pre cursor to arse book,that all the kids use to use,and bitch and bully each other after the playground and school went home.....
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terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired
That is all ::)
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terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired
That is all ::)
Not surprised... plenty more sleepless nights to come ::) enjoy all of them :y
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Shhhhh everybody....teacher's 'ere ;D
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Shhhhh everybody....teacher's 'ere ;D
:-X ;D
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I take it Nickbat has left Oof :-\
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I take it Nickbat has left Oof :-\
......and it's all your fault, Mr Emd..... :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D
Don't worry though because in the immortal words of AS............He'll be back. ;D
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I take it Nickbat has left Oof :-\
......and it's all your fault, Mr Emd..... :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D
Don't worry though because in the immortal words of AS............He'll be back. ;D
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I take it Nickbat has left Oof :-\
......and it's all your fault, Mr Emd..... :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D
Don't worry though because in the immortal words of AS............He'll be back. ;D
I would be very surprised indeed if he came back.
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I take it Nickbat has left Oof :-\
......and it's all your fault, Mr Emd..... :P :P :P ;D ;D ;D
Don't worry though because in the immortal words of AS............He'll be back. ;D
I would be very surprised indeed if he came back.
I'd be equally surprised if he didn't. ;)
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Toys. Spat. Pram ::)
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Wow, how did I miss this? OP posts something, then gets a slightly vociferous response. This results in calling everyone else a bully and then leaving the forum.
Seriously I thought this was an adult forum.
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We have had a 'hint' can we not just let this die away please............. ;) ;)
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The original link was to a Fail article, which would suggest that the origin/fabric of the story would be somewhat embellished either through poor reporting and researching of the facts or even a deliberate attempt to make a mountain out of a molehill. Today's news suggests that it was a very different occurrence than what was originally reported. Thus the OP's view was based on a falsity.
The original link was to The Telegraph not The Daily Mail and by today's news that you refer to I assume the link to the BBC that Entwood provided. The BBC puts a different slant on the story but dosn't contradict The Telegraph and I havn't seen any statement from M&S denying that they had such a policy towards Muslim staff. ::)
There was little attempt to discuss and debate this issue. Nickbat didn't go because people disagreed with him, he's gone because people tried to censor him. :(
The overreaction and snide remarks were out of line, and if certain members who don't like such threads had ignored it, then it probably would have fizzled out after 10 or 15 posts or so. Instead they have caused a good old rumpus and a lot of bad feeling!! :o :o :o
Ill concern over which paper it was. It was shoddy reporting either way, not something you see often with the torygraph tbh.
Check Sky news out too they reported in a similar vein to the BBC on the subject. Or are they pushing for a socialist agenda as well?
Sorry - Torygraph, dailyfail - evil
bbc - not evil