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Chat Area => General Discussion Area => Topic started by: MR MISTER on 28 December 2013, 18:28:44
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Don't want to start a long discussion which cannot possibly reach a conclusion, but..
I am using my wife's old iPad 2 as she now has a mini. Obviously, I'm still getting used to it but, as far as I can tell, there is very little difference to my toshiba running android.
I really can't see what all the fuss is about. They are both very easy to use and most features are all but identical.
Of course I don't do very techy things with them, but for everyday browsing, calendars, office functions, etc., both are fine.
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As both os's use mobiles and tablets, you mean iOS v android perhaps?
...but, what's the question? Which is best? I think you'll find the best is what people have.
Neither have the functionality of Symbian and the old Nokia smartphones , however aesthetically pleasing both modern os's look these days.
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As both os's use mobiles and tablets, you mean iOS v android perhaps?
...but, what's the question? Which is best? I think you'll find the best is what people have.
Neither have the functionality of Symbian and the old Nokia smartphones , however aesthetically pleasing both modern os's look these days.
Yes I did mean iOS, and there was no question.
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As both os's use mobiles and tablets, you mean iOS v android perhaps?
...but, what's the question? Which is best? I think you'll find the best is what people have.
Neither have the functionality of Symbian and the old Nokia smartphones , however aesthetically pleasing both modern os's look these days.
Yes I did mean iOS, and there was no question.
Talking to yourself again then? ;D
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Don't want to start a long discussion which cannot possibly reach a conclusion, but..
I am using my wife's old iPad 2 as she now has a mini. Obviously, I'm still getting used to it but, as far as I can tell, there is very little difference to my toshiba running android.
I really can't see what all the fuss is about. They are both very easy to use and most features are all but identical.
Of course I don't do very techy things with them, but for everyday browsing, calendars, office functions, etc., both are fine.
Quite right. I think most arguments are based around folk trying to justify spending a lot of money on a shiny object that runs the os.
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Using that Asus MeMo 7HD tablet to type this which is running Android 4.2.2 , Its a great device for £59.00 ... However I'm not finding it as easy to use as my iPhone 5 running iOS7 .... I would image an iPad would be even easier to use still... Probably just need to familiarise myself with android. :)
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Don't want to start a long discussion which cannot possibly reach a conclusion, but..
I am using my wife's old iPad 2 as she now has a mini. Obviously, I'm still getting used to it but, as far as I can tell, there is very little difference to my toshiba running android.
I really can't see what all the fuss is about. They are both very easy to use and most features are all but identical.
Of course I don't do very techy things with them, but for everyday browsing, calendars, office functions, etc., both are fine.
Quite right. I think most arguments are based around folk trying to justify spending a lot of money on a shiny object that runs the os.
...which obviously means CrApple is far better. ;)
Well.... Its a boring conversation so far ;D
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...which obviously means CrApple is far better. ;)
You really need to ease up on the non prescription drugs ;D ;D
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Both have pros and cons. Which is "best" depends on individual circumstance.
For me, thats currently IOS.
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Both have pros and cons. Which is "best" depends on individual circumstance.
For me, thats currently IOS.
The hardware is without doubt very nice, and I don't have any real gripes with iOS.
The only thing that gets my goat is the restrictions Apple place on you with regards what you can do with the hardware that you have already paid for.
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Both have pros and cons. Which is "best" depends on individual circumstance.
For me, thats currently IOS.
The hardware is without doubt very nice, and I don't have any real gripes with iOS.
The only thing that gets my goat is the restrictions Apple place on you with regards what you can do with the hardware that you have already paid for.
And Google and their partners don't? ;)
Thats the nature of things now, walled gardens, and the OS developers will be trying (usually failing miserably) to contain users in that garden...
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Both have pros and cons. Which is "best" depends on individual circumstance.
For me, thats currently IOS.
The hardware is without doubt very nice, and I don't have any real gripes with iOS.
The only thing that gets my goat is the restrictions Apple place on you with regards what you can do with the hardware that you have already paid for.
And Google and their partners don't? ;)
I'm talking about restrictions such as not being able to send a pic via Bluetooth, I really can see no valid reason for Apple to impose such draconian measures in trying to keep their garden locked down to that degree.
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Both have pros and cons. Which is "best" depends on individual circumstance.
For me, thats currently IOS.
The hardware is without doubt very nice, and I don't have any real gripes with iOS.
The only thing that gets my goat is the restrictions Apple place on you with regards what you can do with the hardware that you have already paid for.
And Google and their partners don't? ;)
I'm talking about restrictions such as not being able to send a pic via Bluetooth, I really can see no valid reason for Apple to impose such draconian measures in trying to keep their garden locked down to that degree.
Presumably there's a reason why they can't differentiate between pics, and video with audio? Audio being the copyright issue, I guess? it would be daft to allow free transfer of audio with a product such is iTunes Store available, obviously. AirDrop works, but only to crApple devices.
What bothered me is the basic stuff, like creating a play list in the device. Its possible, but requires you to know the name of every track and create it visually from a list of tracks, rather than as thier played. Play a track >Oh I like that one>Add to favourites or create a new playlist>play another track>and so on. No, you have to remember the track name, go to playlist then find the name by adding from the playlist. Its arse backwards. Or, the finction is available, but only from one end, like sending a contact, you can't go to a conversation in texts and add a contact, you have to go to phone book, select contact, then sent it to the recipient.
iPhone is full of these one sided functions, in addition to the restrictions mentioned above.
Nokia never had any of that bollards. Everything was available, from both ends. But the brain forgets pain quite easily. I have to remind myself of the pain of constantly crashing and locking up Nokias, especially the n900, although that wasn't Symbian, which wasn't far behind on the crashing front either.
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By iphone i mean iOS, of course. ::)
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Both have pros and cons. Which is "best" depends on individual circumstance.
For me, thats currently IOS.
The hardware is without doubt very nice, and I don't have any real gripes with iOS.
The only thing that gets my goat is the restrictions Apple place on you with regards what you can do with the hardware that you have already paid for.
And Google and their partners don't? ;)
I'm talking about restrictions such as not being able to send a pic via Bluetooth, I really can see no valid reason for Apple to impose such draconian measures in trying to keep their garden locked down to that degree.
I can. They don't want files going on via unauthorised means. They are just not very good at preventing it ;D
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Symbian had so few features, and even less that actually worked, that I'd expect those they did get working to work really well...
...but Nokia couldn't ever escape from the fact that Symbian was shite, and they hung on to it for far too long, and that never helped their current situation.
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Symbian had so few features, and even less that actually worked, that I'd expect those they did get working to work really well...
...but Nokia couldn't ever escape from the fact that Symbian was shite, and they hung on to it for far too long, and that never helped their current situation.
Yes we know all that, but your post is all non specific re functionality, which is my point. ::)
All the functions where there on Symbian, but that's all that anyone can say in symbians favour as you rightly say here. Even now crApple are coming out with "new" innovations hailed as [insert your favourite blue sky bs here] that Symbian had 15years ago, the latest that springs to mind is replying after a busied call with a text, saying sorry I'll call later etc. Nokia/Symbian had that oppsing years ago.
Functions man! Functions!
The only improvement I see in 7 is the "multitasking" as apple call it, where the task manager shows the actual screen of the open app above the icon of the app that's open. You might say they copied that from Android though. But allows having an open app page next to another for comparison purposes, usually when the hopeless copy function of copy and paste is too awkward to use. That's the only innovation I see in crApples wonder phone. ...oh, and the software stability of course ;D
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I would also add, the "multitasking" in Apples dictionary has a very different meaning to that of the dictionary everyone else's uses.
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Yes we know all that, but your post is all non specific re functionality, which is my point. ::)
A smartphone that can't do anything isn't anything more than a phone. Symbian's non phone functions mostly didn't work or didn't even exist.
Symbian had 15years ago, the latest that springs to mind is replying after a busied call with a text, saying sorry I'll call later etc. Nokia/Symbian had that oppsing years ago.
11yrs ago, Symbian phones aren't that old. They just felt like it, being so far behind other smartphones of the time. Symbian didn't get touch until 2008, well after everyone else had done it. Symbian were always playing catch-up to Microsoft (initially), then crApple/Google.
Functions man! Functions!
My point exactly, which is why I never bought a Symbian smartphone, despite being a Nokia fan, and always putting Nokia at the top of the list when searching for a new phone, yet always ended up with a Windows device, or latterly, an IOS device
The only improvement I see in 7 is the "multitasking" as apple call it, where the task manager shows the actual screen of the open app above the icon of the app that's open. You might say they copied that from Android though. But allows having an open app page next to another for comparison purposes, usually when the hopeless copy function of copy and paste is too awkward to use. That's the only innovation I see in crApples wonder phone. ...oh, and the software stability of course ;D
Is true multitasking that important on a phone? I'm struggling to think of a use beyond what IOS has had since IOS4, or what Windows had in CE (a form of cooperative multitasking, although more segregated in IOS). I thought coming from a Windows device to IOS3, I would miss the multitasking, but I didn't. Even IOS3 was able to multitask some parts (eg, play music whilst doing anything else).
Even in its current state on IOS6 (as I've not jumped to IOS7 yet, and no plans to), I'd rather it loses some of its multitasking ability, in order to save battery. But others may have different needs, in which case, avoid IOS :)
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No. Smartphone, by definition is able to multi task. Apple choose to restrict even that.
But again, non specific answers from a Microsft fan boy. ::)
I'm with Kev on his view on touch screens to a point. The only reason for touch to exist is screen size, its an oppsing nuisance otherwise. I'm not aware of Symbian ever being touch capable. The n900 was Maemo if that's what you mean? Again, much more multitask capable, but hopelessly utterly totally unreliable.
Your right though re iOS though. Bored with it, will be looking around once this contract is up. See what the Nokias of the time are up to. Bloody Windoze probably. ;D
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I fickin knew I shouldn't have started this thread.
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I fickin knew I shouldn't have started this thread.
Oh come of it, you love to see people argue over the colour of shite. ;D
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No. Smartphone, by definition is able to multi task. Apple choose to restrict even that.
My definition of smartphone is the ability to do stuff other than make calls. Not its ability to multitask. Why is multitasking so important? What is your definition of multitasking, as that may be different to mine. At a technical level, all smartphones multitask to some degree.
But again, non specific answers from a Microsft fan boy. ::)
Not sure what specific answers you wanted? Thought this was a discussion, rather than a help request? Either way, Symbian was behind the times at launch, and never caught up. It was a bit of an old OS to start with, dating to 1980s.
I'm with Kev on his view on touch screens to a point. The only reason for touch to exist is screen size, its an oppsing nuisance otherwise. I'm not aware of Symbian ever being touch capable.
Touchscreen adds a larger screen, but also easier manipulation of what is on screen, for example, zooming, especially since the advent of multitouch, which became popular with the advent of the first iPhone. Done consistent and well, as crApple demonstrated with the original iPhone, it exceeds what is easily possible with physical keys.
(say the boy who touches Linux every day, yet never, ever installs the GUIs ::))
Symbian got touch a little while after crApple and Google demonstrated how out of date Symbian was.
The n900 was Maemo if that's what you mean? Again, much more multitask capable, but hopelessly utterly totally unreliable.
That was an (poor) implementation of Linux.
Your right though re iOS though. Bored with it, will be looking around once this contract is up. See what the Nokias of the time are up to. Bloody Windoze probably. ;D
Thats where we differ. I struggle to get excited about a phone, and certainly do not give a rats tit what badge it has on it. I have a set number of functions it needs to perform well. Currently, only IOS fulfills them, Windows Phone is getting closer, although the more capable Windows phones are following this fad of being bloody enormous, which is not what I want. I think the iPhone 5 is too bloody big.
Yup, new Nokia smartphones will be Windows Phone 8.
Be careful buying purely on specs - we've both fallen foul of this before, you with that crap n900 (which really was utter shite in reality), and me with that HTC Touch Pro (that was equally as crap, only a lot more stable).
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What is your definition of multitasking,
Having the ability to shag the wife while thinking of her best mate ;)
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No. Smartphone, by definition is able to multi task. Apple choose to restrict even that.
My definition of smartphone is the ability to do stuff other than make calls. Not its ability to multitask. Why is multitasking so important? What is your definition of multitasking, as that may be different to mine. At a technical level, all smartphones multitask to some degree.
But again, non specific answers from a Microsft fan boy. ::)
Not sure what specific answers you wanted? Thought this was a discussion, rather than a help request? Either way, Symbian was behind the times at launch, and never caught up. It was a bit of an old OS to start with, dating to 1980s.
I'm with Kev on his view on touch screens to a point. The only reason for touch to exist is screen size, its an oppsing nuisance otherwise. I'm not aware of Symbian ever being touch capable.
Touchscreen adds a larger screen, but also easier manipulation of what is on screen, for example, zooming, especially since the advent of multitouch, which became popular with the advent of the first iPhone. Done consistent and well, as crApple demonstrated with the original iPhone, it exceeds what is easily possible with physical keys.
(say the boy who touches Linux every day, yet never, ever installs the GUIs ::))
Symbian got touch a little while after crApple and Google demonstrated how out of date Symbian was.
The n900 was Maemo if that's what you mean? Again, much more multitask capable, but hopelessly utterly totally unreliable.
That was an (poor) implementation of Linux.
Your right though re iOS though. Bored with it, will be looking around once this contract is up. See what the Nokias of the time are up to. Bloody Windoze probably. ;D
Thats where we differ. I struggle to get excited about a phone, and certainly do not give a rats tit what badge it has on it. I have a set number of functions it needs to perform well. Currently, only IOS fulfills them, Windows Phone is getting closer, although the more capable Windows phones are following this fad of being bloody enormous, which is not what I want. I think the iPhone 5 is too bloody big.
Yup, new Nokia smartphones will be Windows Phone 8.
Be careful buying purely on specs - we've both fallen foul of this before, you with that crap n900 (which really was utter shite in reality), and me with that HTC Touch Pro (that was equally as crap, only a lot more stable).
Oh for fff... Now your just being obstinate. ;D
You know as well as I do the difference of a series 40 phone and a series 60, just for example. Multitasking, means the ability to have multiple applications open at once, yes the iPhone does that, but not to the level of a series 60. Hence the restrictive accusation I made earlier, over and above the walled garden stuff.
Now, pay attention, here's a specific example of that, where iPhone falls flat on its arse in this regard. You receive a voice mail from a call centre or somewhere where the number is withheld. The caller leaves a voice message with the thier number name and extension number on the voice mail. Ok, your busy, driving maybe (q all the retards in the world that think this is illegal with a hands free, but like I said it was a boring conversation anyway ;D) so you don't have a pen and paper, so you want to tap in the number direct to the phones key pad, WHILE the voice mail recording is reading the number out. Right?
Nope, iphone won't do it. Open the keypad and the voice mail cuts out. Don't forget you've not dialed as the number isn't input yet. So the lines not busy.
As that's part of the phone app, which is shite btw, even you have noticed that surely? Yes you can memorise it, but don't tell me you've never miss dialed doing that. And what about the extension number? If the voice mail was audible then just tap that in after the number. Then the persons name is ready in your mind to speak to them. Nope, iPhone requires a pen and paper for voice mail. This is not a "smart"phone. It's far from it.
There's other examples but I can't remember them at the moment. There's too many.
I don't know why your defending your greatest gay product of all time. Its reliable, but that's all. ...actually, safari crashes to the home screen on ipad a lot. So its not as reliable as one might think. More work lost to the ether, unforgivable from any device.
Whatever the n900 was it wasn't Symbian was my point. Which Symbian phone has a touch screen...? I could google it but that's cheating.
Symbian isn't touch capable hence Nokias first touch screen on the n900 had to have a non Symbian os. Afaik.
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To add, true multi tasking means all apps work to their fullest extent, regardless of what the other apps are doing, so they all interact fully.
As above, the phone app doesn't even interact with itself fully re dialling while a voice mail is playing. Poor. Very poor.
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Your phone issue is sod all to do with multitasking, its simply that the phone app on the iPhone is featureless. I'd not noticed before, as I tend to put the number into notes (assuming it was withheld/blocked) or tasks (if time sensitive), then call back at a time convenient to me. However, a quick play does show you can add a call whilst listening to VM, then close the VM call, leaving other one open. A bit naff though. But, as said, the phone app is
shit just about adequate.
I have no loyalties towards crApple. Quite the opposite, as you may have noticed. I use one as it works for me. I'm not tied to any silly contracts, so can change phone tomorrow if I so wished, but currently there is nothing else that meets my needs, except a later gayPhone, and I see little benefit in that.
Multitasking is the capability to run multiple threads (smallest unit of code execution) seemingly simultaneously. Of course the iPhone can multitask, as can just about any other smartphone ever made (I'd have to double check Symbian, I think that could only do cooperative multitasking). It would be a waste of time having multicore chips if the OS couldn't utilise more than one core ;). If I'm out for a walk, I frequently have the iPod app, Map My Walk, the geocaching app and often a navigation app like google maps open all at the same time... ...whilst making a lot of use of Siri (which I've (reluctantly) grown to love, despite its hilarious, frequent cock ups). Thats multitasking.
So, we've established that the iPhone's phone app is shit, which we already knew. We've established that the device can multitask "OK" if coded correctly (some apps just park themselves in the background, but don't execute until they are brought to the foreground). We've also established that some people have rose tinted memories of the piece of junk that was the UK spec'd N series such as the N95, and the totally hopeless N97. (Nokia did eventually release firmware updates to fix a lot of the stability problems, and fix some of the broken features, but UK operators dumped the devices too quickly, hence the updates never came to the UK (officially, obviously there were workarounds)). However, if a N9x meets your needs, you've found your next phone, and won't need an expensive contract :)
Symbian released touch after iPhone and Android were launched. Like Gooseberry, they realised too late that it was a necessity. Can't think of a Nokia phone that used it though. Actually, can't think of any phone that used it. Who would? Surely you'd use the (then free) Android, rather than pay for the lesser capable Symbian, and have higher development costs getting it to work with a device.
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Silly me, N97 had touch...
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N97 came after n900 so Nokia was completely off my radar by then, as I'd moved onto crApple and its stability.
...suggesting the n95 should be my next phone is just reciculous, there's no point conversing if your just going to block every route forward.
1 Blutooth nobbled by apple
2 Phone app shite by apple, ans phone unable to mtask.
3 Fire and forget web page loading restricted
4 No java thanks to apple
5 Web viewing restrcited, some overly graphic site won't load at all crashing safari.
6 Video won't run in the background. (Pointless granted but not legit mtasking)
7 Copy and paste is awfull and won't work between some apps
8 Already loaded pages, say one with a part post, are re loaded again after visiting another tab. Work lost consequently. That really hacks me off! Probably related to 3 above.
9 can load a pic from messages but can't load a message thread to the pic.
10 did I mention safari crashing?
....to name a few. The way forward would be to find an os that fixes these. Is that Android?
First stage of improvement is fault finding. Then we know what to fix. Hence name the specifics mentioned earlier.
All except the java where never a problem for Symbian. It would however crash and cause similar effects and lost work as a result. The n900 especially was atrocious for crashing.
So, what's better the iOS? .....Andyroid? :)
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So, what's better the iOS? .....Andyroid? :)
I'm not sure which (if any) is the better OS, but 90% of the issues you have listed above are not a problem I have ever encountered on any Android powered handset.
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So, what's better the iOS? .....Andyroid? :)
I'm not sure which (if any) is the better OS, but 90% of the issues you have listed above are not a problem I have ever encountered on any Android powered handset.
Sorry that should say "what's better THAN iOS." at the end of my previous post. Whoops.
So that last 10%, what specifically is the problem there with Android? :)
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Dear admin, please can you delete my thread... ;D ;D ;D
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There's no real answer, It's all down to personal preference or what you can afford even, It's a bit like Choosing between the Omega vs the Scorpio or even Ford vs Vauxhall. :-X ;D
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You viable options, as IOS doesn't work for you, are Windows Phone 8 (avoid 7, its a bit of a 0.5 release) or Android. If going for Android, the Galaxys seem to be the most stable (out of the box), a lot of the HTC/Huawei/ZTE made cheapies seem to have poor/unstable implementations. S4s are pretty cheap now, as no bugger wants them. I believe the S5 launch is probably being brought forward due to poor sales of the S4.
If you can, find somebody with one, and try it as much as you can. I doubt you'll find a device that does everything perfectly, so its finding what compromises antagonise you the least. I'm lucky, the nature of where I work means I have colleagues with all these devices, so I get to play :)
And understand multitasking, else you'll get false info :), the phone app multitasks fine, its just a crap app (in IOS up to IOS6, I wasn't daft enough to upgrade to IOS7). I can't imagine crApple allowing a 3rd party phone app in their store.
As an aside, try to avoid Java on any device, its unlike Oracle will ever be able to secure it in its current form. Probably the nearest solution will be to sign all applets, immediately reducing its usefulness. Java (and Flash) is a fantastic way of getting in to devices, even moreso if the security layers are removed (jailbreak/rooting).
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As an aside, try to avoid Java on any device, its unlike Oracle will ever be able to secure it in its current form. Probably the nearest solution will be to sign all applets, immediately reducing its usefulness. Java (and Flash) is a fantastic way of getting in to devices, even moreso if the security layers are removed (jailbreak/rooting).
Is it possible to avoid Java on Android? Android may be built on the Linux kernel but it seems to use Java for all the applications (but that might be a misunderstanding on my part :-\
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And understand multitasking, else you'll get false info :), the phone app multitasks fine, its just a crap app (in IOS up to IOS6, I wasn't daft enough to upgrade to IOS7). I can't imagine crApple allowing a 3rd party phone app in their store.
Its doesn't multi task fine ::) its a bunch of small apps thrown together hap hazaddly, hold on... I was going to mention it won't download data while on a call as I had the other day, but it does. Or it does on 3G, it was on GPRS when I had a problem. "Data not available while on a call" flashed up, or similar. ...iirc.
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S4s are pretty cheap now, as no bugger wants them. I believe the S5 launch is probably being brought forward due to poor sales of the S4.
You keep saying that. I have yet to see any real report of poor sales. And the cheapest you can buy a UK S4 is still £400+. So not really cheap as you say? If you could find me a cheap one for say less than £300 and not from Hong Kong, then I would be eternally grateful.
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And understand multitasking, else you'll get false info :), the phone app multitasks fine, its just a crap app (in IOS up to IOS6, I wasn't daft enough to upgrade to IOS7). I can't imagine crApple allowing a 3rd party phone app in their store.
Its doesn't multi task fine ::) its a bunch of small apps thrown together hap hazaddly, hold on... I was going to mention it won't download data while on a call as I had the other day, but it does. Or it does on 3G, it was on GPRS when I had a problem. "Data not available while on a call" flashed up, or similar. ...iirc.
*sigh*, you need to understand what multitasking is, else you will end up with another dog. Apps which are set to multitask multitask fine. Others are set to pause when not having the focus. Its the sensible option when running on limited resources, in order to save precious cpu cycles and even more precious battery.
I'm pretty certain that you cannot have a call and data simultaneously on 2G (not sure about EDGE or 3G technologies). Obviously, as 4G cannot carry voice calls, 4G data and 2/3G calls can coexist. If I'm correct, thats a restriction of the standards, not device specific.
Anyway, I know you are trying to goad me, so I'm off to find a brick wall, to give myself an even bigger headache.
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S4s are pretty cheap now, as no bugger wants them. I believe the S5 launch is probably being brought forward due to poor sales of the S4.
You keep saying that. I have yet to see any real report of poor sales. And the cheapest you can buy a UK S4 is still £400+. So not really cheap as you say? If you could find me a cheap one for say less than £300 and not from Hong Kong, then I would be eternally grateful.
A colleague of mine was looking 2 or 3 months ago (for one of his kids), and contract free, unlocked, it was easy enough to pick one up for £350, I think even Amazon (not marketplace) had them well below £400. I know he got one - bloody enourmous thing, but think he went down the contract route in the end, as he got the phone free (I think) on a £20pm/2yr contract.
A premium/flagship phone is around the £500+ mark, it was always supposed to sell (retail) for approximately the price of an iPhone. In fact, from memory, I think the cheapest S4 had a RRP of £600 at launch, £70 more than the equivilent iPhone. So £350, or even £400, counts as cheap.
Back in the autumn, the retail channel press was full of stories about the S5 being launched very early in the new year (Jan/Feb) due to poor sales, and advising the channel not to commit to too many S4s for fear of being stuck with old stock. If prices have increased, that may be why.
Not looked recently (Android doesn't meet my needs), but would expect prices to be high at xmas, and for the next couple of weeks following.
As always, if buying mobiles, avoid ebay, Amazon Marketplace sellers, Play etc.
HTH
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And understand multitasking, else you'll get false info :), the phone app multitasks fine, its just a crap app (in IOS up to IOS6, I wasn't daft enough to upgrade to IOS7). I can't imagine crApple allowing a 3rd party phone app in their store.
Its doesn't multi task fine ::) its a bunch of small apps thrown together hap hazaddly, hold on... I was going to mention it won't download data while on a call as I had the other day, but it does. Or it does on 3G, it was on GPRS when I had a problem. "Data not available while on a call" flashed up, or similar. ...iirc.
*sigh*, you need to understand what multitasking is, else you will end up with another dog. Apps which are set to multitask multitask fine. Others are set to pause when not having the focus. Its the sensible option when running on limited resources, in order to save precious cpu cycles and even more precious battery.
I'm pretty certain that you cannot have a call and data simultaneously on 2G (not sure about EDGE or 3G technologies). Obviously, as 4G cannot carry voice calls, 4G data and 2/3G calls can coexist. If I'm correct, thats a restriction of the standards, not device specific.
Anyway, I know you are trying to goad me, so I'm off to find a brick wall, to give myself an even bigger headache.
Now you've gone all gay ;D I'm not trying to goad you at all, I just won't be goaded. ;)
Its a pc in your pocket right? Would you accept the above from a pc? No you wouldn't. But there is the challenge for manufacturers IMO, and in some areas crApple fall flat on their arse. But, they have stability. Nokia never seemed to learn that without stability they had nothing.
I strongly suspect the only way to find out if another device or os fixes all these things is to own it.
Although noting specifically what bugs us, would help. ....then looking for an improvement on those is a way forward, no?
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No.......please.
This is turning into another tramlining thread.
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No.......please.
This is turning into another tramlining thread.
Well turn it the way you want it to go? ;)
What did you want from the thread?
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No.......please.
This is turning into another tramlining thread.
Well turn it the way you want it to go? ;)
What did you want from the thread?
Read the first sentence.
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I did, again, what do you want from the thread? A single post by Esta...? And no replies?
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Android has caught up massively in last few releases, both in software and hardware. I think the 2013 Nexus 7 is a cracking tablet, the iPad Mini Retina is a better product though. Slicker and sleeker hardware, but it's the cost is the problem.
I've also seen some secret new Samsung Tablets due out soon, very impressive. Think they got the pricing right, should shake the market up a little. :)
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I did, again, what do you want from the thread? A single post by Esta...? And no replies?
Not exactly.....just no replies from you. ;D
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I did, again, what do you want from the thread? A single post by Esta...? And no replies?
Not exactly.....just no replies from you. ;D
Well there's the challenge. I like a challenge. ;)
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I did, again, what do you want from the thread? A single post by Esta...? And no replies?
Not exactly.....just no replies from you. ;D
Well there's the challenge. I like a challenge. ;)
Right. Let's see how you do, then.
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I did, again, what do you want from the thread? A single post by Esta...? And no replies?
Not exactly.....just no replies from you. ;D
Well there's the challenge. I like a challenge. ;)
Right. Let's see how you do, then.
So what's the solution to... What was the question again? ;D
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Its a pc in your pocket right? Would you accept the above from a pc?
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Although noting specifically what bugs us, would help. ....then looking for an improvement on those is a way forward, no?
Its unfair to compare a small ARM powered device with a full blown PC. With size and battery life come compromises, so its finding out which have compromises that you are unable to accept, and ruling that out.
<goading mode on>
What you really need is a PC
<goading off>
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Its a pc in your pocket right? Would you accept the above from a pc?
<snip>
Although noting specifically what bugs us, would help. ....then looking for an improvement on those is a way forward, no?
Its unfair to compare a small ARM powered device with a full blown PC. With size and battery life come compromises, so its finding out which have compromises that you are unable to accept, and ruling that out.
<goading mode on>
What you really need is a PC
<goading off>
But there's no help in that answer.
<gm on> typical IT tech ;D <off>
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Android has caught up massively in last few releases, both in software and hardware. I think the 2013 Nexus 7 is a cracking tablet, the iPad Mini Retina is a better product though. Slicker and sleeker hardware, but it's the cost is the problem.
I've also seen some secret new Samsung Tablets due out soon, very impressive. Think they got the pricing right, should shake the market up a little. :)
Well said. I love Macs. All my home computers are macs (pro/air/imac) bar a single Dell laptop. But for the 10% more refinement the ipad retina mini offers, I am not willing to pay the 60% premium. Particularly as it is going to be outdated in 6 months time.
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So that last 10%, what specifically is the problem there with Android? :)
I'm not so sure I'd call it a problem, but number 6 on your list (video playing in background) gets paused if you minimise the app....which kind of makes sense as you can't watch it if it's minimised.
All the other problems you list are not an issue with Android.
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So that last 10%, what specifically is the problem there with Android? :)
I'm not so sure I'd call it a problem, but number 6 on your list (video playing in background) gets paused if you minimise the app....which kind of makes sense as you can't watch it if it's minimised.
All the other problems you list are not an issue with Android.
Yeah, fair do's on the vid thing. Ok Andy. I'll look into it. Ta
...but there must be an area that you feel could be improved?
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iPad seems to last longer on battery.
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...but there must be an area that you feel could be improved?
The only "improvements" I have made were to alter the Wi-Fi scan time from 30 seconds to 3 minutes, mod the phone app to include a record button, and mod the SMS app so it doesn't convert text messages that exceed 320 characters to MMS (SMS is free for me, but MMS is 25p a pop) .
I also made a fair few graphical changes, but that is nothing more than personal "eye candy" and doesn't affect the operation of the ROM at all.
iPad seems to last longer on battery.
The new Nexus 7 matches the iPad for battery life according to the reviews, and it also comes in at half the weight and price.